Tuesday, 30 March 2010 15:55
This is getting filed under speculation, but I've just heard James Milner might be off to Manchester United and Martin O'Neill isn't happy and that this is the reason for these rumours surrounding Martin O'Neill resigning.
Now, this was on TalkSport and the person that has just said it confirmed he found this out after doing a bit of digging around.
Things to factor in when deciding if there is any credibility to this rumour; it was TalkSport. Okay, not things, thing, but could there be any truth in it?
Milner has had a much better season playing in the middle and Capello confirmed today that he would be going to South Africa and he is young, so plenty of room for development. Also, if Manchester United came knocking, there are not many players that would turn them down.
Collymore confirmed earlier that O'Neill isn't going anywhere and the reporter from TalkSport that brought up this Milner to United thing also suggested that O'Neill wasn't happy because he might not be getting the money from the sale to strengthen the squad.
TalkSport have also just confirmed that O'Neill didn't want to sell Gardner in January without having a replacement, but his hand was forced. The words the radio guy is using to describe Martin O'Neill at the moment is 'down' - none of this sounds good does it?
I'll leave this with you - but I've just heard it with my own ears, but it would surprise me if Milner left. Would be nice to hear something from the club too.
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vivavilla
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... It's not that surprising, Milner has become a top class player under O'Neill and is guaranteed to start every game if fit. I'd certainly want to stick with him. |
OneVilla
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... This story doesnt add up or make sense. Milner is playing some of him best football and wants to obviously go to the world cup. If he goes to ManU hes not gonna get a game. MON could leave but i also think this is very unlikely, the season aint over yet, we can start crazy rumours like this in the summer when it makes more sense to do so. |
badge73
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... and how exactly is man utd going to afford this? jeeeez think of something better at least. |
doubledown9
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... I was going to stay away from this site for the rest of the week after last weekend, however, do you guys not see a link between the simmering resentment which this board and others like it engender in sections of the support and the crisis club esque crap appearing in the papers. Journalists pick up on these sentiments and what starts out as Damo, or whoever having a rant, turns into Villa coming apart at the seams. no im not happy that we lost, no im not happy about the manner of the defeat, but I will never openly criticize the club or anything to do with it. These things happen and we can only hope we learn from it. These polls and angry calls for the manager to resign do not help anything. Wait until the end of the season to judge, what hope would a new manager have of changing anything at this stage? Do you honestly think in an age where players use facebook and twitter and the like to communicate with fans, some of the angry, ignorant bull that gets spouted on these pages does not find its way into the minds of at least one player and with that the dressing room; doubt begets doubt and doubt is not what the club needs at this point in time |
Aero-4-Villa
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... its rubbish at the moment... but soon it wont be, if we dont start winning things and reaching the CL. |
Dan1122
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... O neill should come out and deny this one aswell as denying he has left us This is the last thing we need towards the end of the season so come out and do the decent thing martin and deny it..........He says booing is not fair on the players....Well this is not fair either so surely that makes you a bit two faced o neill ? Cause your quick enough to jump on our backs |
the sherriff
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... milner won't go anywhere. he's been a revelation in the middle of the park and he is becoming the main man at villa park. come next season, the whole team will be based around jimmy...... |
Aero-4-Villa
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... viva If i remember correctly, Barry only started shining once O'neil came! It didnt stop him from leaving though. just saying... |
doubledown9
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... Through the red mist I dont suppose any of you picked up on this; http://bleacherreport.com/articles/370561-james-collins-twitter-feed-deleted-after-apology-for-chelsea-defeat There in along with Darren Bent etc., entails an interesting debate about the nature of football clubs. |
vivavilla
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... doubledown9 You are absolutely spot on. None of this is any one persons fault but when fans gather people listen, the message spreads, and it affects the club. Right now what the club and O'Neill need is the backing of the fans, we need to send a message letting them know we are fully behind them. I don't want O'Neill to leave. I'll admit my mind wandered and starting to think if the grass would be greener, but honestly, after hearing this story break to the media today, it genuinely scares me to think of Villa without O'Neill. That can only mean I think he's the right man for the club. Somehow we need to let him know that. |
Platypus
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... If anything is said on Talksport then assume it to be sloblock. They have 24hrs to fill with sports news, and nothing that much ever actually happens. Turn off the drivel lads and maybe read a nice book or something... |
villaruss
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... heard from a good source o'neill will be off in the summer and mourinho has already agreed a 3 year deal.another rumour or the truth.the truth me hopes. |
villarobin
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... Where are all the NEGATIVE crew then ??? Thought you would all be on here rejoicing at the news that Oneil might leave.. Not such a nice thought when it might be reality eh Damian ?? |
doubledown9
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...it genuinely scares me to think of Villa without O'Neill My sentiments exactly. |
jimboAVFC
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... milner is going nowhere. he has been a revelation in the middle of the park. he is now becoming the main man at villa park. The whole team will be based around him next season, he won't get that at man u. |
andy5759
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... Vivavilla, doubledown and others; you're right, keep banging the drum, drown out the voices of dissent. Hold back the calls for heads to roll until the house of cards does tumble. Like the carling ads;you only know your true friends in a crisis. Who made this crisis? Friend or foe? |
Gwatkins
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... Doubledown is spot on - this is the media spotting some ill feeling from the fans and trying to bring the whole house down. How often do we see in the media!! West Ham are going through something similar. Why would O'Neil leave when we could make an F.A cup final soon. As for the Milner story I would make a couple of points. 1. Is he better than what Man Utd already have? Personally I would say no. 2. If we were going to sell him why would we do it this side of the world cup, as a good world cup could double his value. 3. Less than two weeks ago all the stories from the manager, Milner and his agent were about extending his contract in the summer. I am sure O'neil will walk out on us one day, and no doubt there will be time when Milner moves on, but I dont see it being this season or next!! |
ronvilla
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... Too true doubledown9 and villarobin. I d he did leave it would be down to idiots like them that could never look at the positives if it bit them on the arse. I am still numb from the 7-1- defeat, but we have to look forward! |
Damian
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... doubledown9 i've removed your bold tags - it is supposed to be used for words to emphasise not whole comments |
vijayd
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... I dont think Milner will leave for the money, he will leave to win things, do you blame the guy?? if this is true and lerner doesnt want to spend and he wants to cash in on players then the sooner he goes the better, LERNER OUT!! |
VillaDude
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... If they offered 30m for Milner, like Berbatov and Carrick we should take it, but only if we can re-invest. 2 Strikers 1 Midfielder |
young villain
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... Please tell me this isn't so. We lost 7-1 to a very good club but we have had a fantastic season. If he leaves i cannot start to imagine how much he will be missed, and Milner will not be the only one to leave. Ash and Gabby will soon be out the door and i think it is fair to say that our future will look very bleak. I like Mark Hughes, but O'Neill is a LEGEND. DON'T GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
vivavilla
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... What are your own thoughts on this Damian? Now that there is seemingly a very real possibility Villa could be without O'Neill, what do you think? |
Villa_Chris
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... I know one thing... it would be a smack in the face if MON left and took Milner, Gabby, Young etc with him. |
no10
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... if he goes then the transfer money needs to go on new players whoever the manager is. |
ak_27
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...it genuinely scares me to think of Villa without O'Neill Have some belief in the club itself for f sake. This club is far bigger then MON and there are far better managers out there then MON if he does indeed leave that will enable us to develop as a club in a diiferent way which short/long term will be a far beter path then the one MON is currently taking us down. You would swear he brought us from Div 4 to the PL for the first time in our history. |
ronrabbit
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... o-neill gone, i have a very enutral point of view on this, provided we had the correct replacement it would be fine by me. Hodgson i would take, ranieri i would take, hughes i deffinatly wouldnt. Milner going would be a massive blow, and probably pretty realistic. He would be a perfect replacement for an aging scholes and giggs. Cant blame learner not giving o-neill any money, he has shown no progress with the money he recieved this year or last year. we finished 6th with no money, then 6th with 45mil, and what looks like 7th with a further 30mil spent. If o-neill is going and milner is going i hope o-neill goes before the sale of milner meaning the new manager will have that money to bring in the right players. I reckon we will get probably 30 million for him, moutinhou in as replacemnt? |
ak_27
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...I know one thing... it would be a smack in the face if MON left and took Milner, Gabby, Young etc with him. Learner would probably call the cops and ask for him to return them as they are the property of the club and not MON.  |
Damian
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... vivavilla i'm on record several times saying i think o'neill needs more money in the summer because i think he is the type of manager that needs good players as he isn't going to play attractive football if manchester united are interested in milner i wouldn't blame the player for wanting to leave - he will win things with them and that is what every player wants if, as is been suggested o'neill is unhappy because he isn't going to get the funds then i can understand it and i think then you have to ask why isn't he getting money and why lerner, if all this is true, isn't there more money available i have my suspicions - but i've had those suspicions ridiculed for a long time now |
frem
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... i dont know how we can be sure this is not true. milner to man u could happen. we had no money in january so why would we have some in the summer ? i hope its just media but i can see it happening. |
frosty
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... Not for me, Milners reasons for joining us, wouldn't make sense for him to up and leave to another club so soon unless there was trouble in the camp:
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Richo
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... Very difficult to resist Man Utd when they come knocking for a player. IF this is true then; On the one hand we should stand firm as if we go down this road then Young, Gabby or anyone of any merit could & will be off in the near future. On the other hand, every club in the PL other than Man Utd & Chelsea are a selling club... Arsenal buckle under pressure and pretty sure after this season Liverpool are going to be targetted. Having said that Man Utd didn't fair well against Real with Ronaldo. The one thing this boils down to is Milner, if he wants to go then the deal is done. If he his forced out as we see the $$ signs then that is seriously worrying. |
.vogras
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... A club without MON excites me to be fair, just my opinion, will the grass be greener..who knows, but i'm willing to find out. What would have happened if we got past Rapid Vienna in that Europa League game, another 6-12 games depending on how well we done. I can almost guarantee with an extra 12games to have been played we would have been languishing in the middle of the table, and i doubt we'd have made the Carling Cup Final. Could you see our current squad taking in that many games. If Milner has a great World Cup and is one of the star men for England he's going to beleaving us, someone sticks in a 30mill bid he's going to be sold end of story |
VillaForeverAndEver
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...Apparently a press conference has been called I can't find this anywhere, do you have a link that can confirm this? |
ak_27
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... Milner would cost Utd 25-30m. I really don't see them having that much money to spend when they are also supposed to be in for Ribery this summer as well. I wouldn't be too fearful of Milner leaving. |
Simeon
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... It wouldn't surprise me if Milner left. Personally, I don't think he is at the level that Ashley Young was at 12 months ago, and given that he is neither an out and out winger, nor a creative or defensive midfielder, his value in a 4-4-2 formation is therefore limited. I think his best position is as one of three central midfield players, alongside a defensive midfielder and a string-puller, although his versatility is perhaps his greatest asset. I can see why Man Ure would be interested in him, as, contrary to what some have said, he would get into their team on a regular basis. And were they to stump up the cash, I can't see why he wouldn't want to go. We should of course be reluctant to sell, but only in order to get a transfer fee that, on balance, means that both clubs benefit. |
Damian
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... .vogras a club without o'neill excites me too but a club with an owner not willing to put any more money in and no martin o'neill worries me. remind you of anyone? |
andy5759
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... http://www.astonvilla.vitalfoo...?a=7504049 Lighten up lads with some real dressing room revelations. |
WookieAVFC
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... Agreed! MON has been awesome since he joined, can you truly say any other managers would have made such an immpact since he arrived? Fair enough, he might be a bit stubborn about his rotation policy but surely is that enough to just wash your hands of a bloke who has made us contenders, and regular top 6 finishers - other clubs in this league would jump at the chance to be where we are! I'm in the same boat as Viva here - my mind wondered for a bit but reading this makes you think of what you've got....and we've got MON and should be happy about it!  In a strange way i hope that if MON did leave that we got a sh1t manager just to show that the grass isnt greener to all this knee-jerk reactionary fans who just because we lost to chelski are all pushin for his head! |
villaruss
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... i think o'neill will defo stay till the summer but he must be badly hurt by saturdays anhilation.He is a very proud man and all the rumours and unrest at the minute cannot be helping.If the rumour i have heard about mourinho is true then surely o'neill cannot be a happy man.turbulent times ahead me thinks.By the way i think milner will go if o'neill does. |
Damian
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... WookieAVFC yes - in answer to your question; several we've got to stop thinking that no manager will come to us or no top players will come to us we are a big club with a big history and a big future |
villarobin
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... When have Villa ever sold anyone for £30 mil ? If he goes we will pull our pants down and sell him for about £15m like we always do. Dont think he will go this summer though but who knows. As long as we got £20 - £30 mil for him and it was spent wisely on good replacements - who cares..? |
villarobin
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... Funny isnt it when you put things in perspective. The Chelsea result was just a defeat, thats all it was , 1 defeat, 3 points lost, exactly the same as if we had lost 1 nil. But now its as if the club is imploding HA  Funny really isnt it ? Most people would have expected to loose the Chelsea game anyway.. |
Simeon
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... ak_27 Comment 37 is spot on. Provided we make a shrewd appointment, the worst case scenario next season is that we finish 10th, but with a platform in place to progress from there. If O'Neill stays, the best case scenario is that O'Neill stays, is given money to spend again, and we finish 6th. If O'Neill goes, it would be logical that Milner and perhaps Young would be sold. But with a new manager on board, and big money to spend, it would be exciting times again. Of course, if Milner and Young are sold, and a significant proportion of the proceeds are used to service a debt, then all bets are off. Our chances of competing in this league vanished after O'Neill wasted the significant funds he's had at his disposal. |
Damian
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... Simeon and as we have seen - we can have debts and the owner can still take his "management fee" what is to say - he just doesn't take the money for himself? |
villaruss
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... villarobin yes we did expect to lose the game but not to be totally battered.I have had more stick this week than i can ever remember and it is not nice.I actually thought twice about wearing my villa coat in our local, which i have never done.How bad is that. |
villarobin
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... villaruss - but in REAL terms its just one defeat to one of the league leaders - big deal.. |
Simeon
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... Damian I don't know what Lerner's plans are. I think that the extent to which O'Neill has been backed - at least up until this January - strongly suggests that Lerner was willing to speculate. However, I think it's perfectly reasonable to believe, given all the noises that have been made since this January, that Lerner may have had a change of heart. Maybe he's concluded that trying to get us into the Champions League really isn't worth the risk. Maybe he's decided that O'Neill hasn't earned the opportunity to spend again in the summer. Maybe he's decided that we might be better off with a different kind of manager. Maybe he'd be happy to plod along for the time-being, and is happy for O'Neill to continue as manager, as long as O'Neill is happy to sell before he can buy. I think the worst case scenario is that Lerner isn't in the best of shape financially, but O'Neill blackmails him into giving him more money to spend. I know that you hold the opinion that, given enough money, O'Neill can be successful, but I don't believe that your opinion is that if O'Neill spent £100m in the summer we would be guaranteed a top four finish (though do correct me if I'm wrong). The future of the club must not be jeopardised by further reckless spending. |
Richo
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... I don't disagree with what you are saying about mentality of the club Damian, we are a big club with great potential. But we are competing against Tottenham, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal - to name a few. As much as I like Birmingham, London & Manchester are more appealing I think for a player. I know this shouldn't make a big difference and I do really believe this is slowly changing.... slowly. |
patrickg1
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... We may have abig history, but have we got a Big future with Lerner if he not going to put money in, or has he even got any money to put in ????? |
frosty
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...we've got to stop thinking that no manager will come to us or no top players will come to us Thats the thing Damian, they will but I think everyone is realistic about who. Mowbray, Hughes, Hodgeson, McClaren... mouthwatering isn't it. I'd go for Hodgeson from that list mainly because he will probably bring a few in with him that I rate, but do you think they will deliver "sexy" football with stats to match? Obviously there is the foreign manager option but what good will that do with no foreigners in the squad?  |
villarobin
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... Richo - Thats garbage mate , players will go anywhere if the money and the terms are right, plus its a big club with prospects. Villa just dont pay enough in wages for the type of players that we need / want to finish the team off and give us that bit extra , thats the main problem. |
tubes
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... Milner will not go to man utd he is signing a contract in the summer to make him one of the top earners and o'neil is not leaving sources say it is rubbish |
Richo
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... Well I don't know, that is my perception. Either way you look at it then not great, as you say we have a relatively sensible wage structure. I do think London & Manchester are a big pull, especially so with the Blue half of Manchester now offering anything a player wants to go there. |
frem
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... oneill said yesterday that basically the chelsea game was his fault. Aston Villa Boss Martin O'Neill Takes Responsibility For Humbling Defeat To Chelsea this shows he want to be here. he said its his job to motivate the players and sort things out. he cares. is oneill the kind of person to speak about transfer plans at this part of the season ? id say no. i think he will stay. with milner, i hate to say it but i dont think even he will turn down man u. hes had two seasons here last ended poorly this looks like it will to. if it does he will realise we are not going anywhere fast. |
Dan1122
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... Why Can't someone from our club or martin come out and say all this is rubbish Quick enough to have a pop at us fans when we have moan aint they ? Shame they not as quick to respond to rumours like this.....I could understand them saying nothing if it was to do with signing a player or a player leaving....But this is important to fans so get ya backside's in gear and speak to us fans |
Simeon
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... Damian As a quick PS, if Lerner decided to pocket the money from those transfers, and as such effectively signalled his retreat from Aston Villa, then a part of me could understand this. He may have come to Villa with the best of intentions (those being to make Villa successful AND make a profit, which is possible in the medium- to long-term), but over the past four years decided that, with the best will in the world, it's just not going to happen. Maybe he has decided that he doesn't have the expertise to do it. If this is the case, I would be hugely disappointed in him, and perhaps angry as well (although that's difficult to gauge given we're dealing with hypotheticals at the moment), BUT. If he leaves us in the same financial state we were in when he took over, then from a purely moral perspective, we could have no complaints. We'd have nothing to thnk him for of course, but nothing to complain about either. |
GHitchens61
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... Here we go again - the Dissenters are back. If any of this were true about MON or Milner I for one would never never enter VP again. It would rank as equal to worst of the 60's manangement's mistakes and alongside all of the rubbish we got during the 25 years in which our estemeed Emeritus Life President rained (ruined) on our club. You hurlers of abuse may think AVFC is a big club (it should be) but it is not. The contempt with which the London Media hold the club should be understood by you all. They do not regard Villa as having a rich history in respect of our three football competitions. The Football League was the creation our our management but where is its museum? Thanks to our knowledgable ELP it is in Preston - where is the Wembley replacement..etc. Other clubs have histories rich in the Cup traditions. Get behind the manager and the team. Support them like the Liverpool fans supported Shankleys Paisleys and Morans teams. Make VP a fortress. Make it plain to our managements that if any of the SKY Six or Seven come hunting any of our staff or players the answer is NO -and only when we have finished with them. I will apologise for the historyonics but not for reprinting them as over 50 years I have seen and heard it all before from those who have little or no faith. All we have to is to let those charged with doing the job get on with it and DELIVER. If you aint a believer then shut up and GO somewhere else. |
keano99-Manchester
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... from a united perspective i can see it goin through, he's just the sort of player SAF likes with his energy & versatility plus he's very tactically aware. just depends how much united are willing to offer. just a thought on martin o'neill, you defo need to keep him. |
Rattleman
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... The thought of MON leaving now is totaly ridiculas. Would not happen until end of season if he is going to. Sometimes I think people on this site have only just started to follow the Villa. Apart from a couple of seasons we haven't been in the top 4 for thirty years. We have reached two or three FA cup semi finals in thirty years. We have won 2 mickey mouse cups in 30 years and we will never be and never have been super rich. Damien..what exactly do you expect? We need to spend 70 million on 2 players who will earn £100k+ per week to combat the lack of strike force and creative midfield player that man u, chelsea and arsenal have. Get over it. We are Villa and proud. Randy doesn't have the money and unless we sell to deliver your dream of being like man shitty attemping to buy instant success it aint gonna happen. We have spent a lot and it has got us where we are today. Spend more and we might get further....we might also end up like pompey or leeds!!! |
frem
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... didnt some bloke from villa come out and say a few months ago that we have money to spend in the summer after all the talk that we had no money to spend ? was it not learners second man? |
rocky5
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... GHitchens[You hurlers of abuse may think AVFC is a big club (it should be) but it is not. |
Notforthefirsttime
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... I just remembered something: isn't MON on a rolling contract? As in, at the end of the season he'll always be assessing his own position in relation to the club. I reckon if he doesn't think he'll get the backing this summer he'll leave of his own accord anyway, but he'll probably stay if he does get the backing; the latter being the ideal scenario. |
GHitchens61
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... Rocky5 I seen the FaCup - the league title - 5 League Cups - and the European Cup and Super Cup come to B6 and I want to see it all again many times over just like the ManU supporters have it before I leave for the great futba stadium in the sky OK? |
Bobi1
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... You all said the same when rumours Gareth Barry started to surface! Then you all bit your togue when he left. James Milner is one of United's Top target. Fergie see's him as a long term replacement for Paul Scholes. So yes i believe he is on his way to Old Traford. like it or not. His face showed his fed up after the thrashing by an average Chelsea team. He deserve better. |
Bosnich13
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... cant see Milner leaving us - not yet anyway - i think as long as O'Neill stays we'll hold onto our better players - alot of you may not like MON but he is fiercely loyal to his players and in about 99% of cases his players give him the same back...however if MON was to be driven out by the so-called supporters of this club then it wont just be Milner leaving - we can also say goodbye to Webcam and Gabby among others - O'Neill leaving would send out the wrong message to the players and honestly send a shockwave aorund the club from which we could take years to recover(O'Neill has, like most managers, a habit of raiding his former club for 'his' players)...to all those calling for O'Neill's head be careful what you wish for cos if he walks then we are back to square one... We've a huge FA cup semi on Saturday week, we've already had (and would have won but for a coward of a referee in not sending Vidic off) the league cup final and given our resources (transfer money/gate receipts/wages available and other revenues)we are punching our weight in the league and have been very competitive so for fecks sake lets get behind the club - players, manager, chairman and enough of this fair-weather nonsense when we sing only when we're winning...MON, Lerner and the players deserve better |
rocky5
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... GHitchens,we`re obviously not a small club then are we wish i`d have seen us win what you`ve seen us win though |
Bosnich13
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... @Bobi1 not quite the same situation so any comparison between milner supposedly leaving and Barry is at best silly...u seem to forget that Barry was very public in stating his desire to leave - his dalliance and flirtation with liverpool and subsequent badmouthing our club and manager made it very clear he wanted out..yet and correct me if i'm wrong but Milner has not once ever gone on record to state that he is unhappy...you state 'His face showed his fed up after the thrashing by an average Chelsea team'...wtf would you expect that he run around the pitch laughing, of course he was disappointed at being tanked - i would expect nothing less... and if he does leave (which he wont) and the same with O'Neill its dissenting Villa 'fans' like you who should stand up and take a bow - its people like you who are driving the manager and his playing staff away with constant moaning and booing - why should they stay at a club where the fans are unrealistic in expectation - he had this at leeds and newcastle already and left both |
frem
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... skysports news have said that lma spoke to oneill and he said there is no foundation in the story. ok even if there was truth in the story he would of said this but lets hope he said it because there is no truth in the lack of funds and james milner. |
George Templeton
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... Even after Saturday I am a proud Villa fan and I am not going to hide, I will see the Chelsea bartender after work tonigth I and I will wear my Villa shirt in. As for this rumour, its' a bunch of bullcrap. If the Ronaldo money was there to spend I'd believe it, but I think most of it went to the debt. 10 million if it went to Chris Smalling |
GHitchens61
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... Rocky Just because we won those over 50 years does not make the club big in terms of todays EPL. It needs to be but it won't get there unless VP is full every week with all support going behind the team and so much noise that the opposition are terrified to come out. That is how it once was. Saturday was bad - very bad - but I have seen worse. In one season on the build up to the League Title I can remember Liverpool being handed a lesson in a first half 5-1 caning in front of the Holte. To their credit Liverpool came back and held on in the second half, and their supporters took it and defiantly supported them. Maybe they won the League that season again I can't recall exacdtly now. All I hope is for for AVFC to show all similar defiance at Wembley in the SF but they will not win through without 100pc support at all times before during and after games. Have faith - don't expect too much at once - and it will be delivered. Just keep the dark side from returning. |
Damian
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... Harry He has been doing that for a while and does sort of suggest he is only in it for what he can get out http://www.thevillablog.co.uk/...ton-villa/ |
frosty
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...why is Randy Learner touting the club to Saudi`s !!!!!! FACT Winning the league by accepting investment from far away is a bit like screwing a hooker. We can all do it, it's very easy to do, but it doesn't leave you with anywhere near the same amount of satisfaction. Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal. 3 organically grown football clubs that remain the 3 most successful in English football... we are doing this the right way. |
Bosnich13
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... @frosty you write 'Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal - 3 organically grown football clubs'...hmmm dont really know how to break it to ya kid but arent Utd fans in constant protest at the clubs FOREIGN owners - the Glazers?? isnt the same deal happening at Liverpool and their FOREIGN owners - Hicks and Gillett and yes arent Arenal soon to be owned (cos its happening dude) by Stan Kroenke - again a FOREIGNER - not much organic about that my friend...look at the playing staff of each - liverpool has a huge Spanish influence - Utd are more international and Arsenal - i think if memory serves me that they are almost to man Foreign (and in most cases French)... |
Damian
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... Frosty I can tell you that it isn't that easy getting investment and at the same time that is exactly what Lerner has done, just not on the same scale as the others |
PMR
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... This is all BS. Milner could be off though in the summer, especially if he has a good World Cup. Although England will most likely be humiliated. Well said Frosty. Let them have their hookers, the shallow basterds. |
Wose Jales
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... Not many true Villa fans on here, some of you guys should hang your heads in shame. A true Villa fan backs his team 100% no matter what is happening. There are so many ignorant opinions on here feeding fuel to the fire it is unbelievable. Ok, we lose 7-1, it happens get over it. Unfortunately some of the naive on here are very easily swayed by some of the 'not so naive' & because the national press see a Villa loss of 7-1 to a London team you guys are like lambs to the slaughter in condemning our fantastic football club & (best manager in years) MON. Back the team, back the manager, back Lerner (ffs the guys spent millions). Show your true colours are claret & blue & back the team you have loved & supported all your life. |
Damian
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... Wose Jales Nice views but I don't know one person that visits this site that doesn't fully support the team. But are supporters not able to question or have an opinion on the club, much like you are allowed to have one of fellow supporters? |
Tonky
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... still all doom and gloom! The clubs imploding!! I suggest we concentrate on things we can influence, such as supporting our team. That's right make your way down the villa and get the place rocking again! I know some people can't do this for one reason or another, but there's also allot that can and don't. If we ever want to compete we need more revenue that means you as supporters supporting the club we all love. I'm sorry but the more I read on here and witness at villa park is just proof we're becoming a team with a glory hunter following. Victims of our own success! We've not got anywhere near the squad or available funds as spurs, man city and the likes but were up there competing with them all. Nows the time to stand up as a supporter! Supporter definition: a person who backs a sports team! That's right BACKS! Not find every given bloody thing to moan, complain and grumble about! |
Kaz
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... Ok, enough of this. We are fans of the Villa. We should be united as one. When our team walks onto the field of green to do battle, they should be hearing only one voice. Ours. And that voice should be the fire in their hearts, the will to push through the sweat, the blood and the tears. We should not be stabbing them in the heart when they most need us. We were spanked on Saturday, and you know what, now is the time. Now is the time to show our faith. Now is the time to let our lads know, we care. We care about them, we care about the lions on their shirts, we care about our Villa. And we care as one. Martin, Luke, Carlos, Brad & Brad, James C, Richard, Stephen, Habib, Ciaran, Curtis, Stewart, Ashley, James M, Nigel, Stan, John, Gabriel, Marc, Fabian, Nathan, Steve, Emile and Randy. Everyone who works at Villa Park, be they in the reserves, be they the stewards, be they the simple cleaner. We care. And we love each and every one of you. We are Aston Villa, and we will not go quietly into the night, we will roar like lions. We are Aston Villa. Win or lose, we are together. And together, we shall forever be. UP THE VILLA!!!! |
Damian
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... Tonky When you say victim of our own success, what particular success are you talking about? |
andy5759
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... In the midst of darkness let there be light. Jose Wales, b30 Villan, and others; you may not post on here much but your intervention on behalf of the club is welcome. It's quite heartening actually to see so many good supporters coming on here to nail their colours to the mast. Well done. Damian, sometimes opinions can be damaging; it all depends on the opinion, the motive, the forum (in the broader sense) and the language used. Some of the opinions on here today almost seem to be designed to divide the club and its supporters. |
andy5759
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... Wasn't it PancoVillan who once said "I am a glory hunter - just not a very good one"? |
Wose Jales
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... Damian, imho, this is the time to really support the team & get behind them. Someone commented earlier that in the next match if the fans could give the players a standing ovation & sing their hearts out for the team then this would get the hairs on the backs of the players necks tingling & the adrenalin pumping so much they could be in demolition mode. This IS the reaction that is required from EVERY Villa fan now, back the team, ffs we got a semi against Chelsea Sat week, if we REALLY back them now they will respond & we have a chance in the semi. On our day we can beat anyone, MON is FANTASTIC at getting players up for one off games. Do you & EVERY Villa fan not realise how we can collectively influence our beloved teams season with the biggest vote of confidence in the team by backing them to the hilt with our support? Bolton is now key to us winning the semi & the fans (in addition to MON) have their job to do in giving maximum vocal support to prove to them we still back them; IF YOUR HEART IS CLARET & BLUE THEN BACK OUR BOYS 100% AT BOLTON |
andy5759
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... There will always be divided opinions, whatever happens on the pitch. Only right now we have divisions which could be catastrophic for our club in short to medium term. It's ok to debate (without too much venom) which LB to play, or whether to play a CB at RB. People need to pause before expressing some opinions, consider what the ramifications could be. The trouble with forums is that by putting your thoughts up on a screen gives them legitimacy, that by being published they have more credibility. That is bound to attract all sorts of people paddling on the far shores of sanity (I should know, I have a beach hut there). If I open my mouth in closed company the consequences are limited, the way rumours have flown and grown today must indicate that online publishing extends the scope for damage (equally for good). We must consider our actions more. |
Dan1122
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... Probs is best if Rnady does sell if we are out of cash There was a five year plan the target was CL so if cash is tight its time to sell so we can reach CL or at least compete I dont think we are competing tbh CL was never guna happen for us this season city spent to much spurs have a bigger squad liverpool have the experience to pull out wins villa have a small squad and not enough quality....In my eyes this is a FACT and a fact i hate Our quality comes from Young Milner Gabby Carew and sometimes Petrov im sorry to burst some bubbles but thats not good enough for CL |
benhanmer
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... I just hope our fans blow the roof off the reebok stadium the weekend and send a clear message to the country that we are still behind our club and more importantly our manager. |
villa 4 lifeeeeeee
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... y cant anyone realise? i never liked lerner and i think i am with a very very small fan base that thinks that!! he is a f**king yank trying to make a buck!! that carson young will invest more than us!! fact! lerner needs to sell up and f**k off out of B6 a sap!!! |
frosty
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...'Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal - 3 organically grown football clubs'...hmmm dont really know how to break it to ya kid but arent Utd fans in constant protest at the clubs FOREIGN owners - the Glazers?? isnt the same deal happening at Liverpool and their FOREIGN owners - Hicks and Gillett and yes arent Arenal soon to be owned (cos its happening dude) by Stan Kroenke - again a FOREIGNER - not much organic about that my friend...look at the playing staff of each - liverpool has a huge Spanish influence - Utd are more international and Arsenal - i think if memory serves me that they are almost to man Foreign (and in most cases French)... Bosnich - agree with everything above, it's just my opinion they stand for more than Chelsea & Man City do.. they have a right to be where they are because they earnt it rather than purchased it with (illegal) moneys. We have all had to turn to the darkside to keep up with the likes of Chelsea & Man City.. hence the Lerner debate here. I look forward to the day Abramovich gets bored with his play thing, our goal difference will improve for one |
Villa since 1958
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... I thought I'd better re-post from the prvious thread : GHitchens61 said: ... There still seems to be a large number of people on here who don't understand the difference between discussing football on this blog and "supporting the team". I support the team, and I want O'Neill out. It's not a contradiction, it's just an opinion. Just because Simeon and a few others don't like what O'Neill is doing doesn't mean they don't support the team. If all we are allowed to do on a blog is be positive, then there's no discussion, no debate, no honest opinion - this blog would just be like the Holte End - just chants of "Aston Villa - the greatest team the world has ever seen". Who the heck is going to read that! The reason that I, and possibly many others, don't post so often is that Simeon covers all of the logical reasons as to why we don't rate MON, there's no point in me posting as well - it'd just bore everyone. We all know the weaknesses, and they are not being addressed - he has to go. I think a period of chaos would be more interesting than the rubbish being served up at the moment, and good for the club in the long run. And no - I don't care about the LC or the FAC - the league is the measure of a good team, and we've been mid to upper-mid for too long - it's time to push on. |
fox-in-the-box
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... Villa since 1958 - Well put post, the stupid thing about everybody bitching to one another on here is that deep down we all want the best for Aston Villa. I like you and many others feel that MON needs to go to push on and an equally large amount of fans think we can improve with him in charge. The constant in all of this is the want for Villa to succeed, just two different paths to get there!! |
Wose Jales
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... villa since 1958, as a proud Villa fan myself I wholeheartedly disagree with this opinion. If you are a true Villa fan then surely you want us to beat Chelski & be in an FA cup final? I personally would love an FA cup final to look forward to in May, I also believe every TRUE Villa fan would look forward to this as well. If you or any other Villa fans REALLY want this then now is the time to start backing the team & putting your support behind them. In the age of the internet it may be surprising to some how a well SEO'ed blog can be so popular, not just with Villa fans but with all supporters & more importantly reporters & yes Damian can do a mean job at SEO |
jamesp59
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... I agree completely. That is why I am calling on all supporters to give the team a standing ovation at the next home game. Let them know we support them. UTV Do you honestly think in an age where players use facebook and twitter and the like to communicate with fans, some of the angry, ignorant bull that gets spouted on these pages does not find its way into the minds of at least one player and with that the dressing room; doubt begets doubt and doubt is not what the club needs at this point in time |
jamesp59
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...Do you honestly think in an age where players use facebook and twitter and the like to communicate with fans, some of the angry, ignorant bull that gets spouted on these pages does not find its way into the minds of at least one player and with that the dressing room; doubt begets doubt and doubt is not what the club needs at this point in time |
Wose Jales
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... villa since 2008; I think a period of chaos would be more interesting than the rubbish being served up at the moment, and good for the club in the long run Agent Provocateur would be a more apt description of your motives for posting; are you a reporter? |
mickey86
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... the press love a good crisis club and now that everyone is bored crapless of portsmouth they will probably try and make us look out to be a team in crisis. |
rhobbs
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... does feel a little like there may be stormy times ahead, hope lerner back oniel as lets face it so far he has actually invested very little of his own money!!!! |
Brian Powell
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... As to James Milner leaving I have no opinion really. Not enough 'facts' only speculation. As for MON leaving, I can see that happening, in the summer, not before. It fits with MEN's style. If he gets criticized, or doesn't get his own way he will walk. Reports i have seen suggest that Mr. Lerner has asked MON to sell players that are only sitting on the bench. The inference I took from that was, "if you don't rate them enough to play them, sell them and replace them with players you will play but, less of them." This would cut the wage bill, or allow some players to be paid more. Although I saw stats earlier on today that suggests the average premiership club pay for a player, is in the region of £29,000 per week, while the highest payers average £68,000+ per week. Don't forget that Villa players wages take 80% of the clubs income at present. That is financially unhealthy when you consider the amount of money we have inn debts to be repaid. Now I know the debts are to Mr. Lerners own company but, they do have to be repaid. There is also the talk that clubs in big debt will be barred from playing in european competitions. For the financial stability of the club and its long-term wellbeing, it would make sense to sell MIlner after the World-Cup, hoping he has a good tournament, increasing his price. By the same token, selling Ashley Young and Gabby Agbonlahor and replacing them with other players makes financial sense. This will of course tick MON off and he would probably walk. If you look at Arsenal, they are in the top 4 every season and get to the end stages of the Champions League regularly without having spent great amounts on single players. With the possible exception of Vermaelen for £10 million and Arshavin for a total of close to £20 million. They have developed unknowns and sold on when they have needed to, for big profits. Henry was a cheap purchase for them and they turned him from an average winger into a high scoring forward and then cashed in. I'm just really pointing out that buying success isn't always guaranteed when you spend big bucks. I have had my mopans about MON this season. If you look back at the 606 board you'll see. My moans have been about his lack of learning. The last half of last season, he changed a winning formation and when there were no wins, (2 out of 17 games), he didn't learn from it but, started this season with the same personnel in the same formation. When he had been moaning about the players being tired because he had a small squad, ok. This season he has 32 names in the first team squad list, hardly a small squad. Yet there we go again, 3/4 of the way through the season the players are running on empty, as well as carrying injuries. Dunne and Milner, go into the Sunderland game with Achilles injury's. According to MON Petrov has been carrying an ankle problem for months and yet these players are asked to play 5 games in two weeks. There is just no sense to the mans decisions and this makes me think that he isn't up to managing successfully at the top level. |
nix2
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... Just reading through this wanted to comment on Villas injury situation. MON has been guilty of not using the bench, and Villas starting 11 have come down to a fit 6, with Petrov whos been waiting for an operation since Christmas. But whats been going on behind the scenes. See the talk out in the open is of injuries to starting 11 players, but not much is said about injuries picked up in training, which Villa haven't had much luck in. Reo Coker I believe broke his ankle right before Petrov got injured. Would anyone trust Sidwell to cover that roll? Exactly. I'd trust Delph, but he's picked up an injury too, damn unlucky that could have been his breakthrough. When Young needed a rest Albrighton was injured, and now Young has been playing with a bit of confidence it isn't a great idea to bring him off. Delfonouso has started being utilised, but we're now down to him as our un-injured, 100% fit striker. When MON said that not everybody is 100% fit but they want to play and thats all that matters, I thought, hey I'm about 10% fit but i wanna play, I wonder if he'll pick me. But when you get past that, you can see that injuries haven't gone our way. We've been unlucky in that respect, because its gone un-noticed, had it have been the first team dropping like flies we'd all be moaning why are we 12th and we can't seem to score a goal. So come on guys, no man is bigger than the club, and no fan is bigger than the club, not even me and I'm bigger than John Carew. |
Tonky
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... The fact we're doing well damien is not enough for some people! Doing well, competing with the best, keeping up with our rivals whilst still being an honourable club. It wasn't so long ago that Liverpool were being written off and we were the blueprint to a sucessful club. We have to have patient and some people are lacking this in a big way! We're up there with the pack, not hanging around mid table with bugger all to play for! |
villabiker
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... worked late the other saturday. so no time to get to VP so went down to watch my local club cheltenham town. fecking hell lads trust me we aint got any problems . all im trying to say is we arnt man u but also were not hull agree with fox in the box none of us will agree all the time on here all i ask is dont boo at the games players dont deserve that after all we all want the same at the end of the day |
mattyhislop
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... I haven't posted on here in a long time. But today felt like a big moment for our club. If the rumours are true (I personally don't believe them one bit), it could well be a "Black Tuesday". Martin O'Neill is the one of the greatest things to have ever happened Aston Villa and certainly the greatest since I have been supporting him (abut 18/19 years). If he leaves, many will be happy and expect good things to be coming our way. Be careful what you wish for is all I will say. The impatience and greed of some Villa fans is astonishing. I do believe O'Neill is progressing each year and cannot imagine anyone else who could run the club better than he can. |
andy5759
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... Andreas Weimann scored the only goal tonight as our reserves saw of West Ham reserves 1-0. We are now two points clear at the top with two games in hand. There is every chance that some of those who played tonight might make the bench on Saturday, such is our injury situation. These are the opportunities that arise far too seldom for aspirant youngsters at Aston Villa, let's all hope that if they get the chance they are capable and prepared to grasp it with both feet. |
Jeddy
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... Not sure it anyone else has already written this as I haven't read every post. Jimmy is 100% Leeds through and through, there is no way in a million years he would play for Man Utd. |
Harry Oddsock
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... LETS HOPE HESKEY HAS A AMAZING WORLD CUP OUTSHINES MILNER ENDS UP LEADING SCORER A WINS THE GOLDEN BOOT AND MAN CITY COME IN FOR HIM £15 MILL .. WE CAN ALL DREAM UP THE VILLA |
hotlesteve
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... This is the club we all love. In some cases its our only true love even if your married and have kids The last few days have been the most depreessing for some time. It hurts when the one you love gets battered and ripped apart and that what makes us so angry with the result over the week end.But I can remember in years gone by watching this great team of our playing and winning the Champions Cup. I saw grown men (including me)drop down to the floor and weep that night because of what we had achieved I will never forget that.We are privelleged to be supporters of this great football club and none of us should forget it. |
VillaWerner
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... Transfer speculation like this is something we have to get used to, as our young players develop and get better (worldclass like Heskey). That`s how it is supporting a successful club people  |
fox-in-the-box
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... Theres speculation that Heskey has pulled out of the latest Shrek Movie........ Insiders said that he didnt want Eddie Murphy doing the voice over for his character!!! |
micflair
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... cmon guys this is all crap, MON aint going anywhere, we all know his temper and how upset he will have been after saturday, probably said a few choice words and they have been taken out of context and now he's leaving. And there is no way Lerner or MON would sell there new prize asset, cmon stop worrying! (even though I am!) |
belfastvilla
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... load of balls we need to get behind mon and the team more than we ever have show them how much we love them and the club and the players will respond we need milner and mon but if man u want to offer 40mil which then dont have then lets negiotate |
pepsi head
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... i may be in the minority but i fully support randy lerner and damien maybe you should a poll,randy or mon as i cannot blame randy for not throwing his money away to mon for more crap signings and he does not pick the team,make subs or picks our formation that is down to the wee fella  |
pepsi head
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... carlos cuellar has said on facebook he does not believe the mon rumours are true.(hurry up and take a look before villa take it off!! |
r0bb0
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... Here's a quote from this blog today that typifies some of the woolly thinking on here: I think a period of chaos would be more interesting than the rubbish being served up at the moment, and good for the club in the long run. And no - I don't care about the LC or the FAC - the league is the measure of a good team, and we've been mid to upper-mid for too long - it's time to push on. Long on sentiment, short on fact, and very short on practical suggestions. |
Jae86
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... people, i have Carlos Cuellar as a friend on Facebook and he just posted this Carlos Cuellar i know nothing about Mon news :-( but i think it isn't a true news |
PAT.PORTAFERRY
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... Just because we lose V Chelsea doesn't mean we have 2 start getting rid off staff,lets all get behind the lads on Sat & c what they can come up with.Villa 2-1 4 me |
Simeon
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... Villa since 1958 Re: comment 115. You are absolutely right about some people failing to appreciate the true nature of what goes on here. We would all do well to remember what you said here. I think I understand what you were saying about a brief period of chaos being preferrable to keeping the status quo, although some are inevitably using your own comments to beat you over the head. ____________________ The fact of the matter is that if we stick with O'Neill, then nothing is going to change. We will remain at the same level, and will either go up or down the league table depending on what other clubs do. With Spurs and Man City now having overtaken us, we are no longer a top 6 team but a top 8 team at best. This isn't progress. This is decline. Alternatively, we can take our medicine, get someone who knows what they are doing to manage us and, possibly, take a hit in the short-term, but then reap the benefits in the medium- and long-term. Given the choice of 8th place next season, and probable decline in subsequent seasons, or 10th next season, with the foundations being laid for future success, I know what I'd choose. |
r0bb0
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... There has been a degree of anti MoN sentiment for a long time from a minority of posters on here. Some of them nailed their colours to the mast early on and some have been 'anti' even when things have been going well. I know that some of the sentiment is sectarian in nature (hopefully only a small proportion), some is driven by a desire for a different brand of football and some is driven by a frustration that results aren't better. I can understand the first two even though I deplore the first and disagree with the second. It's the last one that frustrates me most. There seems to be a feeling that we are a 'big' club and we should be doing better. But how big are we? What right do we have to expect to be in the top 4 or winning things? The fact is that we've only won the top division title once in the last 70 years and it's 52 years since we won the FA cup. Yes of course this means we yearn for success, but to 'expect' it is corrosive and damaging to the club. It can only breed discontent. Please try and put the last few seasons into perspective and get behind the manager and players at least until the end of the season |
r0bb0
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... benhammer: ... I think you can count on that happening. The away fans pay good money to support their team and almost invariably give fantastic support to the players and manager. The posters on here that I have no regard for are those who spend time trying to find a free internet feed to watch a game because they can't even be bothered to pay a couple of quid for the AVFC feed and then whinge before, during and after the game. They don't deserve to call themselves supporters. |
proxopera
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... r0bb0 , Sectarian ?? you reckon ?? Never got that but I suppose now you say it , it would be one explanation for some of the more virulent and senseless anti MON stuff. Thats kinda depressing , as I thought alot of that shit had died off ,even among the knuckle draggers. |
PAT.PORTAFERRY
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... Wed's will bring another story so i wonder which player will make the news,untill then goodnite... |
Villa since 1958
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... Wose Jales said : are you a reporter? No I am not. Long-standing villa supporter. r0bb0 said: Here's a quote from this blog today that typifies some of the woolly thinking on here: What's woolly about that? It's opinion based on watching low-quality football for many years, watching manager after manager (including MON) buying journeymen footballers and using poor tactics. Chaos leads to change - something we desperately need. There was no sentiment, and no attempt to list any "facts", and practical suggestions for change have all been made by Simeon - and if you actually read the full blog you wil have seen that I didn't want to repeat everything he'd said - I agree with him. You're just another example of having a personal dig at someone who doesn't agree with your rose-tinted view of what's happening at Villa. |
ak_27
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...I know that some of the sentiment is sectarian in nature (hopefully only a small proportion), What do mean by this? |
mon 4-5-1
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... Robbo First three points I guess are linked would you not agree ? Better football would mean better results would in turn mean better position ? And yes it accepted we are not a big club at the moment but what are your thoughts on this wait another 50 years ? or just think we will never get there ? Name me the last manager who had the kind of : . Control over the club for a 4 year period. . Funds over the 4 year period and believe it or not he is on a rolling contract!!. Then we can start talking about history. It’s really simple it not anti O’Neil but more Pro – AVFC as far as I am concerned. We all share the same goal but different routes I guess. And no one is asking for perfection from the manager but accountability and a clear plan and yes I don’t think that’s asking for much after 4 years in total control and our worst defeat in my lifetime. For me Classic Quote of the day after hearing this story break to the media today, it genuinely scares me to think of Villa without O'Neill We will not crumble just like Chelsea did not crumble when Mourinho walked away. Neither will M.United crumble when eventually Fergie walks away and I’ll just stop there. And it tells me no real substance but pure sentiment and you win nothing with sentiment. |
mickey86
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... agree r0bb0 - we have done sod all in the past 100 years so our fans are very over expectant. 4 years ago theyd have been happy with 6th place 2 years in a row, a league cup final and an fa cup semi final in the same season and actually challenging for 4th. really annoys me with the anti mon crap thats being spouted out by all the whingers on here, (but as im a person who enjoys being pissed off i like reading it.) mon 4-5-1 on ur last post u mention chelsea and man u - mon cant be doing that bad if ur able to use them teams being similar to villa if there managers walks away. Villa since 1958 - u say mon buys journey man players, who would fit that bill other than heskey? people talk abou mon having a high net spend at villa - his net spend wouldnt be so high if he never inherited a team with worthless players. if someone took over tommorrow he could sell 4 players for 60million, mon never had that luxury when he came here so it looks like he has spent alot. id say his net spend is 85million (quick estimate) to overhaul a whole squad where only bouma and gabby are there from when he took over. thats not alot of money for a top 6 team to be worth. and if he had the luxury of selling players for big prices when he arrived that figure would have been alot lower. compare that to tottenham, everton, man city, liverpool, chelsea, man u and arsenal then i bet its a lot less. and he is doing well to keep players ''happy'' on relatively ''low'' wages, our highest earner is on about 60k. not bad for a top 6 club. |
Peen Vageen
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Arsenal would crumble Tottenham would crumble |
Tonebone
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... Mickey 86 wtf are you on about.since MON arrived we have a higher net spend than all the big 4 and i think im right in saying we have a higher net spend than all bar maybe man city. get your facts right before you use them to defend the idiot we have in charge. it is one of the biggest reasons he should go. he has wasted absolute fortunes. there is no excuse. Lerner is not to blame at all. he has pumped more money in than any other owner bar the arabs and has nothing to show for it. would you give oneil any more? he hasnt even improved the football with the money spent. we are an ugly side to watch. spurs fans at white harte lane chanting boring boring villa over and over again was embarrassing. he has lost the dressinbg room, is tactically inept and is making exactly the same mistakes he made in the previous 2 seasons. everyone, his players us as fans, opposing teams, pundits etc know this is what happens to us, but the man we have in charge hasnt a fk;ing clue. if any of us consistently made the same mistakes at our jobs and didnt learn we would be sacked. if he goes we can move on...........good riddance MON! |
mickey86
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... typical moronic comment there tonebone - read it properly b4 u decide to just have an anti MON rant. i said he inherited a shit worthless squad so he had no one to sell which made his net spend high. if he inherited a squad with some decent players hed of made 40million+ on sales to take from his actual spend. he has spent about 100million on a squad of 22 premiership standard players, hes re-couped about 20million by selling about 15 players. showing that the squad he inherited was crap. making his net spend higher than it should be. but i can see where your coming from, we must be shit if spurs fans say so........ |
mickey86
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... and everyones saying MON out but no-ones come out with any names they think can replace him and do a better job. |
mickey86
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... cant see whats wrong with this season??? played 31 - won 13 - drew 12 - lost 6 before saturday we had the best defensive record in the league. before saturday we were only unbeaten team in the league in 2010. before saturday our goal difference was +18 3 points behind liverpool (last seasons runners up) with a game in hand. league cup runners up. fa cup semi finalists. we have the 4th best goalkeeper in the league. we have the 3rd and 4th best defenders in the league. we have the 4th and 5th best midfielders in the league. we have the 4th best striker in the league. |
AussieLion
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... It wouldnt surprise me if Milner left eventually. He probably realised that if he wants success he'll have to go somewhere else. And im not saying that we arent a good team or that we arent successful only that it Milner longer to get these things here rather than Man U. But I really hope we dont lose him as I think he is our best player and future captain. UTV |
VillaNick
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... Listened to Talksport yesterday & the presenter thought Villa could do better than Martin O'Neill. He went on to say: "people don't realise actually how big Aston Villa are." and "Villa should be linked with Jose Mourinho, Gus Hiddink, etc etc........ and shouldn't have to settle for the usual suspects." A bit of fuel to fire a debate maybe, but what Adrain Durham doesn't know about Football isn't worth knowing and his opinions are a little strong but he always has a valid point. I do like MON but, it just got me thinking.................. |
Damian
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... VillaNick you are spot on. people saying 'who would we get' for me, are the ones breeding negativity Villa are better than 6th, 7th or 8th and our attitude should be 'who do we want' not who will come behaviour breeds behaviour - we have to change the way people think about the club, our entire philosophy on what we think about our club before it will happen externally |
VillaNick
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... You are right Damian, it seems some fans are just too comfortable with our set up. We are like a cosy little family. Everyone is fairly comfortable with each other. We simply need to move on before we go backwards. |
VillaNick
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... The Club without MON doesn't scare me. The club without a player like James Milner does! |
Damian
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... VillaNick and that is exactly what happens when you find your happy place at 6th place - if you stand still - you finally go backwards we've stood still with o'neill and a really smart owner will recognise that and if that smart owner wants to move forward he will look for someone else i'm not sure if lerner is a smart owner - but he has been in and around this type of thing for years - he will recognise it - we will see what he does |
mon 4-5-1
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... off to work... VillaNick, Damian, totally agree and as long as the funds are availible for me it would regard it as exciting times. Also it should not have to be the case that we should be wetting our pants thinking what's going to happen if O'Neil go's. O'Neil should regard it as a privleage that he is in total control and in charge of such a big club with a proud history. |
VillaNick
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... Lerner is a Villa fan. Lets hope he isn't one that is swept away with the MON idealism. |
Damian
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... It isn't inconceivable that Milner wants to leave because of the football. I didn't particularly rate Barry but he gave it enough time under O'Neill - he saw what was happening and he knew it wasn't going to happen. It could very well be that players leave because they are not happy getting flogged to death with little direction. Wasn't that why Reo-Coker and O'Neill had a bust up? Players are not stupid - they become loyal because they are played, but the smart player will want to win stuff and recognise that the football needs to be better. |
DavidC
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...we've stood still with o'neill and a really smart owner will recognise that and if that smart owner wants to move forward he will look for someone else Based on that, Wenger would have gone two seasons ago. Fergie would have gone four seasons ago. Moyes would have gone four seasons ago. Its madness. Absolute madness. Villa are better than 6th, 7th or 8th and our attitude should be 'who do we want' not who will come You know what. You sound just like one of those Georides they dredge up to interview outside St James' Park each time they sack a manager. Yes, we are better than 6th. Or at least have the potential to be (just like Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Newcastle, Man City do). But any talk of getting a fantasy manager in (a la Mourinho / Rijkaard) is just that. I tell you know, we'll end up with one of these: Staunton Platt Grayson Hodgson (maybe) MacLaren (maybe). You have been warned. |
Damian
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... DavidC come on - you know that is rubbish it is all about levels and ability. think of teams like regular cars. we are a volvo and we have never got it higher than 4th gear arsenal are a bmw m5 touring that have got it into every gear. arsene wenger has built that car and along the way won a few things too o'neill has been at the club 3 seasons and we've actually just figured out he cant find 5th gear. like i've said, lerner has been around this for years and years - he will know and if he doesn't, because he doesn't understand the sport - he will have people around him to tell him this as for the manager we get - you are the type of supporter i mean - you create this attitude around the club that we are not big enough or we dont offer any potential for a manager - you set the bar at Staunton, Platt and Grayson which is why that is all we will ever get - becasue whn supporters set the bar there - why should the owner go out and do anything different - becasue that is exactly what you expect owners do what the fans want. we set the bar. it has always been like that |
Nanwasafan
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... I have to say, I hadn't considered the sectarian angle in relation to the anti-MON brigade. I guess anybody holding those sort of views will either be in denial about it, or not big enough to admit to them. It would be interesting to know, though. |
John Salter
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... mickey86 - Never a truer word said! Well done mate! Time for everyone to get behind the team and the manager. Less than two months before the end of the season. Up the Villa |
Damian
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... i've also just read the sectarian post - as i've seen the word r0bb0 is just like everyone else There seems to be a feeling that we are a 'big' club and we should be doing better.we are a big club - this is a fact, not an opinion and yes we should be doing as good as we all want to be. set our stall up for 6th or build the perception that 6th is good enough and if that filters through everyone at the club, then that is what we will get. not just because that is what we write on a website but becasue the general acceptance will be like it has been the last few months with '4th is possible' - it never really mattered if 4th was possible because everyone was happy with 6th when lerner took over and his sidekick came out talking of a 5 year plan - i immediately dismissed it and joked about it and it was one of the things that made me start to question the owner - because you cant have 5 year plans and he immediately started to set expectations way in the future - basically creating the perfect excuse it is impossible to make plans like that - confirmed by o'neill a couple of years later when manchester city got new owners - they did it right. our target for this year is 'bang' - you can not plan for 5 years but half way through the second season of o'leary and i started saying we are going backwards - we are not going to go forward with him - read above for the type of comments we got - they are the exact same. you'll regret it, the grass isn't always greener, we finished 6th, what do you want you have to demand more and the sooner we do and the sooner expect more and put it out there it will start to happen sit around happy with 6th and that is all we will get because behaviour breed behaviour and fundamentally - r0bb0 talks about this site as something with influence - i think, to a degree he is right - we are influencing 6th as acceptable well, for me, it isn't. because aston villa is a big club and i accept it will take time but it shouldn't take 3 seasons to get back to a place where o'leary got us and our football is very kick and rush - it hasn't developed. we should recognise that and demand more - not just accept it |
DavidC
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...arsenal are a bmw m5 touring that have got it into every gear. arsene wenger has built that car and along the way won a few things too Arsenal haven't won anything for years. Delightful tho their play is, and fantastic tho Wenger is. My point with the analogy is that according to your criteria of consistently finishing higher each season in the league, he would have failed that test. And hence a "progressive" chairman would have given him his P45. You get the manager you deserve. I agree. We pay buttons for watching the Villa. We don't fill the ground. We haven't won anything of note for 30 years. We give our managers less than 5 years to prove themselves. We won't pay big wages. I could go on. Sorry if thats negative, but its fact. You yourself talked about the likes of Zola and Martinez in the past. Are they really steps up from MoN? Or have you changed your tune and now think we should shoot for the stars (Mourinho/Rijkaards/Van Gaals)? |
frem
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... "Questions about Randy and Martin and their relationship are simply the result of speculation - not based on fact at all." learners right hand man said this. |
Damian
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... frem what is his role at the club - or more to the point, what do his actions suggest his role at the club is? what do you expect him or whoever is posting as him, to write? DavidC arsenal are at a completely different level to us and you know this and it is, for a large part, down to arsene wenger they might not have won silverware since 2005 but from 2000 onwards they have won the league twice, the fa cup three times. they have come second in the league 4 times, runners up in the fa cup once, runners up in the champions league and uefa cup once also - that is a clear demonstration that they are up there and that to get it right it comes down to fine tuning the arsenal reserve team would give us a good game i might have spoken about zola or martinez but i wouldn't have said anything like go get them as manager - you can prove me wrong if you can find a quote like that - i might have said their philosophy about football is what we need to be aiming for and it is - but they are learning and we dont want to be hoping for or bringing in a manager that is still learning. we want to be bringing in a manager that has proven he can do it |
Villa_Chris
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... No Bouma or Delfouneso in the reserves. Looks like they will be playing on Saturday. Cant wait to see Bouma back. |
Villa_Chris
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...the arsenal reserve team would give us a good game What the same Arsenal reserve team that are currently 6 points behind our reserve team having played 2 more games. Ridiculous. |
ak_27
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...have to say, I hadn't considered the sectarian angle in relation to the anti-MON brigade. Again what kind of rubbish talk is this? Anti sectaian? Pathetic attempt to tarnish anybody else with a different opinion to your own. Do you guys even know the meaning of it? If this is a little dig at irish guys let me just set you straight before you go down a completely ignorant and blind road. Most Irish guys on here would be from the south if im not mistaken. Therefore Catholic. The name O'Neill is as Irish as you get(Catholic) and he came from a Gaelic football background and more then likely is an nationalist (don't know for sure but most are). He is one of our own if you must know. So stop this sectarian bullshit. I for one just don't think he is good enough to make this club great because of his major flaws which have been evident for a long time if you just open your eyes. Sorry if im getting a little wound up but this was thrown at me a few months back by the biggest idiot on this blog and its something i personally won't stand for. |
Damian
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... Villa_Chris thanks - it was a flippant comment, but if that is all you can pick out - it ads credence to the rest |
rocky5
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... mickey86 agree r0bb0 - we have done sod all in the past 100 years so our fans are very over expectanterrrrm |
mon 4-5-1
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...ak_27 said: ak_27...Agreed.... |
GHitchens61
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... Big Club We will be a big club when SKY BBC ITV and the London Media recognise us as a Big Club. ie we will have to ram it down their throats! Due to 25 years of short term ism and lack of ambition the new management in 2006 started out about 15 years behind in terms of development on the then SKY4. Look around the ground it needs redeveloping to the ManUre level and better whilst retaining its history and character as far as possible. The corners need closing in so revenue from matchday can be increased. Go into a newsagent - where is the Villa Mag - oh look there's the ManU Arse Chelsea Liverpool ones ?? Get real - think big to be big We need to think big to be big but who is in the hot seat isn't our concern at the moment it is only Lerner's concern - he is the person who can affect the decision. Until such time as I have a vote on it I cannot change it one iota without hurting Aston Villa. I have seen it once and I do not want to see it again - its ugly Get behind the team, manager and support them fully from beginning to end. |
Adders
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... A good friend of mine brokers new properties for a number of the Villa players, inlcuding Agbonlahor, Petrov etc.... hes been tasked a few months ago by Jimmy Milner to get him & his mrs a place on the roman road, but last week he cancelled the move !!!!!!!! |
George Templeton
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... Its nice to talk of Hiddink, Rijkaard or even Mourinho but a club like Villa can't get a manager like that unless they have owner willing to spend hundreds of million pounds or the team is in the Champions League. The only manager I could see getting this club into the Champions League who isn't MON is David Moyes. |
David Pugh
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... Villa are an easy target to create disruption and disgrutalment among the fans at the monment, having be thruth the mill and Chelsea, sombody first saying MON is off and now Millner is going because we need to cut back on out going expeniture, is easy Villa fans need to ignore this S--t stiring. |
David Pugh
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... for my sins i am married to a blue nose. i know i need my head excaming, but there you are. neither of us have season tickets as we have other hobies which would mean we would never see each other, which would have its addvanges. However she does come down to Villa park with me more than i go down St Abdrews. She also does understand football. She even foolwed me around when i was playing for 30 years plus. Because we do not have season tickets we end up in all parts of the Ground at Villa park. and ther is one thing we both agree upon that Villa away supporters which i can not count myself part off are some of the best vocal supporters in the country, and that the Trinity road fans are the biggest moaners, i have heard supporters from this stand never shout encouagement but are quite quick to slag the team off. I have to agrre with the comment above if MOn does not get us into the CL then the only other manager we would likey get that could would be DM. after all who is going to come to a club were you get a section of the supporters wanting MON out when we have got to a SF and Final and are healthly placed. with a average gate of only 37K when big clubs get far more sohave greater resources. |
WANT GLAZERS OUT
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... We dont want milner, hes good, great english talent but not guna make it at united be good bench warmer like kuszauk, oh wat his names is |
Macca
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... Is this the blog that started all the rumours off this week about O'Neill, Milner etc.? Bravo on the magnificent sh*tstirring. Do us all a favour and start following another club would you. Ask yourself what good you are doing for our club spouting your b*llshit and printing your nonsensical speculation? Get a grip. You are letting the club and it's supporters down. (If by, chance it wasn't this blog then I take back what I said!) |
Damian
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... Macca The rumour started on a forum. That particular forum post was picked up by another website and they posted something title Has MON handed in his Notice? - which with the advent of Google News Alerts and NewsNow pushed that headline to most sports reporters keeping table on the word 'martin o'neill'. So, no, it wasn't this site. |
Legend-11
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... As a United fan I just wanted to pour water on the idea that he'd be consigned to the bench here. Many of us believe he'd walk straight into our starting 11 and probably keep his place. Hargreaves looks once again beset with injury and the word on the vine is that the boss doesn't believe he'll make a meaningful return. Carrick has lost some of his best form from last season. We need decent midfielders....and James Milner fits the bill. |
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