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Nigel Reo-Coker a wanted man and pick your midfield

We have some speculation for you this morning and it involves Birmingham, Blackburn and Bolton and their willingness to battle it out for £5mn rated Nigel Reo-Coker.

First, he is valued more than that, we paid £8.5mn for him in 2007 and second - none of this is true because Martin O'Neill has told us, twice, that all is forgotten. Actually, it probably is true because Reo-Coker is probably not a happy chap and this isn't the 80's, you can't treat players this way and hope that all will be okay in a few weeks.

Well, you can treat players that way, but it doesn't work out so well, not with the money they have these days and the options they have to find another club very quickly. Reo-Coker joined us on a four year deal so while I'm not a lawyer I'd hazard a guess that next season he will be entering the last year of his contract with us and from January 2011 he'll be able to start talking to clubs about signing for them, with no transfer fee.

He will be 26 years old when he can start talking to other clubs and 27 when he joins them - I think he'll get a very nice signing on fee or extremely high weekly wage. Or, he could be sold this summer or he could sign a new contract. What do you think he will do?

Actually, it doesn't matter what he does but what should matter is why he was having the argument with O'Neill. Could it really be because he wanted the manager to talk about tactics and passing the ball about instead of long balls?

Starting Eleven

With the quick questions we have been running this week we have identified that Brad Friedel, Luke Young, James Collins, Richard Dunne and Stephen Warnock are the preferred defensive line up and that most of you would have us play 4-2-3-1, so now we have to decide who is going to be playing in the middle of the park and up front.

Whichever player you pick for the midfield today will be out of the vote for the other place tomorrow. So vote away while I run downstairs to make myself a sausage sandwich with loads of brown sauce.

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david mc gorrian said:

limerick villain
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petrov holding and gabby up front for me.
Comment 1, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.38 am

Alex Glynn said:

glynnder
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I'm with limerick on that one. I'm hoping though that one day I'll be suggesting Delph for the holding position though.
Comment 2, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.41 am

VillaNick said:

0
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Most fans would like to see NRC stay and Sidwell go I think!?
Could we actually be in a situation where we have too many Midfielders?
Why is it that only teams like MAN U can have a decent second string?
Why do we have to "get rid" as soon as we have any competion for places?

It's all paper talk to me, always rocking the boat!
Gets my goat up smilies/angry.gif
Comment 3, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.55 am

Rattus NorVillicus said:

Pancho Villan
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I'd hazard a guess that next season he will be entering the last year of his contract with us


maybe these rumours are the start of his new contract negotiations. Anyway, let's see if he get's a Burnley berth.
Comment 4, made on November 14, 2009 at 10.08 am

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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i wouldnt get too excited about reo leaving because if you were honest with your self he wouldnt make the line up if we had one more signing as it would be;
milner,petrov,delph,downing,young
so now if we had 2 new midfield signings, we could let reo leave AND get rid of shitwell....HAPPY DAYS....
now..if heskey leaves in january aswell and we buy a goal scorer to replace him then you really do get the feeling we can do somthing this season.
Comment 5, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.03 am

Simeon said:

0
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How about we pick a manager who will pick the right team? What is the point in us picking teams when it is O'Neill's job to do so?

I wouldn't rule out Reo Coker leaving on a free, because I can see O'Neill not wanting to sell him. At the same time I can't see Reo Coker signing a new contract at Villa. As for him being worth more than £5m, I wouldn't count on it. His stock has fallen significantly since we bought him. There's certainly zero chance that we'd recoup the full £8.5m. About half if we're lucky. Though Reo Coker leaving would hardly be lucky as he is the only one of our midfielder's who can actually compete in a midfield battle. Then again, he often isn't picked, so losing him wouldn't make much difference. And what's the point of anything anyway when O'Neill still has a job.
Comment 6, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.17 am

tubbydunne said:

0
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If Reo is sulking get rid simple as its not as if his a world beater. The amount of players that can break up play and give simple passes are a dime a dozen.
Also speculating that he fell out with M.O.N. over use of long ball and tactics is yet again another childish dig at the manager. Who the fcuk knows what the spat was about. What a load of rubbish. If you take on the boss in any line of work there can be only one winner especially if the boss wants to retain any credibility.
Comment 7, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.22 am

pete said:

villabiker
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dont think reo will go to the clubs hes linked with if he stays with us theres a great chance of europe next season or he moves and is in a battle to stay in the prem. a no brainer for me
Comment 8, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.37 am

James Clift said:

Jimbo Daventry Villa
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He had a great game against Liverpool away this year but apart from that what else has he done to justify the £8.5m transfer?
Comment 9, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.48 am

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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simeon...
why have a moan about the blog picking a team?? we are doing it because there would be fook all else to write in here as its international fortnight, so i would refrain from making myself look an arse and either get into the spirit of things or simply not post untill club football is back and theres somthing more worthy of your input.
Comment 10, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.51 am

VillaNick said:

0
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holteend paul, re: Simeon.

My thoughts exactly, the miserable sod.! smilies/wink.gif
Comment 11, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.59 am

Sam Vicary said:

HolteEndersInDubai
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Petrov and Gabby for me.

Reo should be the other defensive midfielder, with Young Milner Downing!!
Comment 12, made on November 14, 2009 at 1.00 pm

Sam Vicary said:

HolteEndersInDubai
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Big Brad
Young Collins Dunne Warnock
Reo Petrov
Milner Downing Ash
Gabby

MON are you listening...what a team!!
Comment 13, made on November 14, 2009 at 1.02 pm

Sam Vicary said:

HolteEndersInDubai
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Simeon - Whats the point in you having an opinion on Reo as this would be the managers decision and according to you there is no point in debating these things when ultimately it is the gaffers decision??

Why you so pissed with MON anyway, it hasn't been this good at Villa Park for some years now!!
Comment 14, made on November 14, 2009 at 1.09 pm

Car Frost said:

frosty
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Come on own up... who's chosen Heskey as the main striker in the poll? Shame on you! smilies/smiley.gif

Reo - I can see him leaving but think he could get a better club than Bolton, Blackburn or Birmingham, would be suprised at all if Redknapp tested the water in Jan, I think we could still get about 6.5m for him if we sell soon. ( personally I want him to stay )
Comment 15, made on November 14, 2009 at 1.28 pm

Greg said:

Greg Davillain1887
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Actually, it probably is true because Reo-Coker is probably not a happy chap and this isn't the 80's, you can't treat players this way and hope that all will be okay in a few weeks.


This isnt the 80's and althought the dynamics of the game have certainly changed,players power has most certainly become a force to be reckoned but i thing that you cannot run a club without and that is repect. If oneill let a rug-rat like reo-coker away with that spat the other players would see that as weakness. If a pupil in school said to the teacher 'right f**k that im not doing trigometry homework, i dont like it' and got up and slapped the teacher, would it be proper to say ok you dont have to do your homework. If that was the case would any student ever perform in class again? no just the likes of decent pro's like milner, sidwell(lacks quality not commitment) and all our other decent pro's.

Is reo aloud to have a verbal go? of course. In front of his team-mates? yes in the heat of the moment. Raise your hands to the manager f**k no, you just cant do it. He's a good player id liketo see stay but oneill handled it superbly imo.

"To expose this supposed technical superiority, it's necessary to respond first in an athletic sense," said Deschamps.
talking about playing ireland, well i believe in this philosophy, i also believe so does sir alex, mourinho, and oneill.

I think after 3 years we are seeing our club in a positive light because it has oneills ethos stamped all over it, determined, repectfully, competent, never say die attitude, and we do play a bit at time. Fine we are a long way off the best 3 teams in england (utd, chelsea, arsenal) but i can see the jig saw coming together. Dont forget in 3 years he's got us within touching distance to teams that have been winning and built up over the last 10-15-20 years, its time to give ourselves over to the man, he at this stage should have earned our support in him and in the club, it has to be unified, i dont believe you can support one and not the other.

So can we drop this thing with reo- because you are putting a player, above our talismatic manager.

anyway rant over,

id have delph/coker n petrov holding, downing left milner right young in the middle with gabby up top
Comment 16, made on November 14, 2009 at 1.31 pm

John Samuels said:

Juan Pablo Angel
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NRC won't leave, a few teams want him because he's a good player and he could even be our club captain one day.

He has been excellent when ever he has played this season especially last week and at Anfield.

It's just lazy journalism from crappy sports writers.

He needs to get his head down, stay in the team and he'll get a nice shiny new contract. I'd love to see him in an England sqaud but that may be a bridge too far.

Good luck Ireland.
Comment 17, made on November 14, 2009 at 1.45 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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i dont understand why people asume it was all reo's fault regarding the spat with mon as noone has ever talked about the incident in public so i am sure it is all guess work from the media down to the fans,
the rumours are from mon telling him he was dropped after he performed so well at anfield to others saying he shouted at a younger player after a misplaced pass. if the any of these two are true then you also have to question mons man management skills here as it should have been dealt with in the office not in front of the squad.
so who really is to blame? perhaps we will never know, or we will find out when a autobiography is wrote.
Comment 18, made on November 14, 2009 at 2.06 pm

Greg said:

Greg Davillain1887
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holte-end paul,

everything can almost be viewed in 2 ways, if i gave a begggar 20 quid some1 might call me generous, others a fool.

All i know is that oneill has been a major catalayst for taking this club massive strides forward.

Fair enuf reo may have been in the right but you dont go in over your boss's head no matter what profession it is unless its a life or death situation, (unless ur in the army)

reo is a handy squad player, otherwise he would be linked with far better teams than the 3 b's bburn, bolton n b'ham. I like his grit and determination and against big teams he can upset players who like to have time on the ball. Hes just not good enough with the ball on a consistent basis.

If oneill disiplined him in public its fair, a youth team players confidence is generally fragile when called up to play with the big boys, and i for one would prefer to protect delph or delfouneso against a reo rant as those guys are the future, i dont reo will ever be much more than what he is.

I always go back to manure as a benchmark, fergie f**ked out ruud van nistleroy after the ronaldo spat, oneill handled it better he has so far kept both players, not much media drama, imagine a proud vain manager like phil brown being attacked by one of his players we'd still be hearing about it know and not just from damien!!!FACT!!
Comment 19, made on November 14, 2009 at 2.19 pm

Sean said:

Fitzy_7
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Nrc as a holding midfielder and gabby up top

Come on Ireland!!!!
Comment 20, made on November 14, 2009 at 2.31 pm

Cian Donaghy said:

Celtic_Villan
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i hope that was a bit of tongue-in-cheek damien.
can you imagine reo coker suggesting we play a passing game?
the man is one of the worst passers of a ball at the club! i think he has done well when played this season, and with 3 central midfielders he can do a job, but he is an extremely limited footballer! awful on the ball.
as iv said in the past hes probably our best player without the ball, and worst with it!
he would be delighted if he visited this blog, he's really been made into a martyr.

i really struggled to pick the forward, gabby is doing really well so i picked him. though perhaps jc up front gabby wide right young wide left and milner floating, with reo and petrov in the middle. god knows when downing comes back!

we have loads of good players for competition, but no great players that are automatics!
Comment 21, made on November 14, 2009 at 2.36 pm

Greg said:

Greg Davillain1887
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id say Ayoung, clolins, dunne, milner, agbonlahor and petrov are defo automatics
Comment 22, made on November 14, 2009 at 2.43 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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DAMIAN.....
just a simple question for you and maybe you have answered it before but i would love to know your stance on milner now? as last season you slaughtered the lad for us paying 12million for him.
is he at last in your opinion, worth the money now??
perhaps if he plays well for england today and we are short on villa news still then maybe just maybe you might write a blog on how milner IS worth 12 million instead of going very stealth on the subject when it appears you have been proved wrong.smilies/wink.gif
Comment 23, made on November 14, 2009 at 2.48 pm

Cian Donaghy said:

Celtic_Villan
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i would say none of them are automatics. i was refering to the mdifielder and forwards, but the 2 centrehalf are new, you cant say they are automatics just cuz they are in form. i really like petrov, but he is slowing up, and as you can see from the results, many would pick nrc as holding midfielder ahead of him.

gabby is in form, well see if he's an auto when he goes 15 games without scoring.
ashley young wont be an auto on current form when we have a 3rd reckonised winger for the 1st time ever in about a months time. and if he does hit form, milner wont be.
Comment 24, made on November 14, 2009 at 3.21 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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If NRC leaves (and I think he will if he can be replaced) it won't be to any mickey mouse town like Blackburn or Bolton or Even Birmingham. It's often been reported he misses London, so I'd say most likely Fulham, but possibly Spuds. If he doesn't go in January, he'll definitely go in the summer, I reckon.

As for him wanting to discuss tactics, well I know players have a lot more shout these days, but that really is taking it a bit too far, imo. The only tactics he would have wanted to discuss would have been about how to stick some inanimate object into some dark orifice, imo.
Comment 25, made on November 14, 2009 at 3.24 pm

pete said:

villabiker
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the coin collector likes nrc so if he went to spuds would it be money or player plus cash . and who would you like coming are way
Comment 26, made on November 14, 2009 at 3.31 pm

villarobin said:

villarobin
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Big Brad
Young Collins Dunne Warnock
Reo Petrov
Milner Downing Ash
Gabby

That is a good team as said above !! Depends on how Downing settles / plays though , he might be cack, looking forward to finding out though..

Carew to bring on with 20 mins left, or to rotate with downing/gabby
Delph to bring on as well.
Comment 27, made on November 14, 2009 at 3.33 pm

villarobin said:

villarobin
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celtic villan is spot on, reo is our best player off the ball and worst on it.

He is brilliant at breaking up play and putting flair players off and hopeless at passing.

Therefore he is a very useful member of the squad, when a spoiler is needed , like the Liverpool game.

Hope we keep him.
Comment 28, made on November 14, 2009 at 3.37 pm

James said:

Nanwasafan
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Damian, that really was a cheap shot at MON.

I suggest the argument was probably about tactics. MON wanted us to hold the ball and pass it around in midfield with composure, and as part of this discussion, he pointed out that Coker is shit at it.
Comment 29, made on November 14, 2009 at 5.41 pm

BertieBassett said:

0
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Quote from MON on Sky! - "You would have to be exceptionally lucky to go through a season and not have someone scoring from midfield, and yet still be really successful. We should be sharing goals around more....Yeah smokers gunna give us a share of goals along side Sidbad and Petrov, we can't rely on our current Midfield line up to make up the goal tally Martin!that should really be the job of our creative forwards and wingers with the odd goal from our midfield. I like NRC and would like to see him get a bit more playing time over Sidbad.
Comment 30, made on November 14, 2009 at 6.20 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Mr Capello said he wanted to check how certain players played against a team like Brazil.
I don't know why specifically, but I got the impression he was talking about Milner in that, amongst others.

I thought he did ok today and I think he's sealed his place for the WC.

Ash never got a touch in his 5 mins, the corner apart smilies/cry.gif

I've just looked on the Yahoo site and Warnock was rated 3.9 smilies/shocked.gif
FFS, some people.
Comment 31, made on November 14, 2009 at 6.23 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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tonights game was a england second string playing the best team in the world, at very hot humid conditions.
only one result then!
badger all fans after a loss are always the same, did you think it was only on here people moaned?
Comment 32, made on November 14, 2009 at 6.42 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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badger all fans after a loss are always the same, did you think it was only on here people moaned?


I don't mind players getting marked low, but I prefer them to at least get on the pitch first mate smilies/cheesy.gif

Or do some people give marks for the performance on the bench? smilies/grin.gif
Comment 33, made on November 14, 2009 at 6.56 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Come on the paddies smilies/smiley.gif
Comment 34, made on November 14, 2009 at 6.59 pm

Dan Clinton said:

Fenian Villain
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Could it really be because he wanted the manager to talk about tactics and passing the ball about instead of long balls?

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. I have a lot of time for Reo-Coker, he has a lot of energy and gives his all in games. I always like to see players making good, crunshing tackles, but it's not like passing is his strong point is it?
Comment 35, made on November 14, 2009 at 7.05 pm

Dan Clinton said:

Fenian Villain
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what's the point of anything anyway when O'Neill still has a job.

Simeon, you and others of your ilk really annoy me. You may not be fans of MON but he has yet to fail us yet.
People criticised him about not signing enough players but he came up trumps with a superb new look defence, plus potentially excellent signings in Downing and Delph.
I accept the criticism that O'Neill is a big fan of the long ball tactic, and while this can be immensely frustrating, I still have a great deal of confidence in the man. I certainly don't know who could do a better job! Make suggestions like Mourinho at your peril, there is no guarentee we oculd attract a manager of his quality. Instead we would be far more likely to do a Charlton, West Ham or Tottenham... and yes, while that looks like what Tottenham have done could pay dividends, I for one would not enjoy the two seasons of terror that Spurs fans faced recently.

Also, lets not forget we could still finish above Everton and Spurs... possibly even Man City and Liverpool. Breaking into the Top 4 and getting Champions League football next year is not impossible!

If we do fail in spectacular fashion, then perhaps I'll stop defending O'Neill so consistently, and stop calling Taglor, Simeon and the likes idiotic, fickle c**ts smilies/tongue.gif

Apologies, my posts often tend to turn into essays...
Comment 36, made on November 14, 2009 at 7.17 pm

Dan Clinton said:

Fenian Villain
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As an Ireland fan, I'm delighted that all of France's back 4 are on a yellow card, so if there are any bookings they will be suspended for the second leg in Paris on Wednesday.
Tiocfaidh ár lá!!
Comment 37, made on November 14, 2009 at 7.19 pm

david mc gorrian said:

limerick villain
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come on ireland!! ooh ahh paul mc grath!!
Comment 38, made on November 14, 2009 at 7.51 pm

brum in the south said:

0
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ive said this before, nige brings a lot to the team! Much better than sid dwell! Anyway roll on the next game against burnley, after watching england i need a fix of the swash buckling villa!
Comment 39, made on November 14, 2009 at 8.24 pm

robb david said:

ronrabbit
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with this poll thing its pretty clear where the votes are going and what the side will end up being:
friedel
young dunne collins warnock
petrov reo coker
milner young downing
gabby
there is no one else really to pick know petrov and gabby are essentially in. the only possible change woul be sidwell for reo coker, but its pretty clear from his
Comment 40, made on November 14, 2009 at 8.25 pm

matthew halsey said:

matt26may1982
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Great Ireland are going out! Only 15 mins to hang on Allez Les Bleus
Comment 41, made on November 14, 2009 at 8.36 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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as france are just as close to england as ireland is i think i will support them as in recent years they have shown they will fight beside us, and not against.
Comment 42, made on November 14, 2009 at 8.47 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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viva france up ya viva.smilies/grin.gif
Comment 43, made on November 14, 2009 at 8.47 pm

Martin Clabon said:

SidCowanslovechild
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Damian, yet another snidey cheap shot. At least Simeon comes out and criticises openly instead of sniping form the sidelines.

Grow some balls man
Comment 44, made on November 14, 2009 at 8.49 pm

matthew halsey said:

matt26may1982
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Great, no plastic paddys next year for the world cup.
Ahh well lads have a cuppa tea, oh go on, go on, go on, u will, u will u will.
Comment 45, made on November 14, 2009 at 8.52 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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anelka ka ka ka
now for jedward to get the boot tomorrow.smilies/grin.gif
Comment 46, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.03 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Great Ireland are going out! Only 15 mins to hang on Allez Les Bleus


Why would you prefer the French over the Irish?

The French might be a better side, but the fans are poles apart, imo and you can't beat the craic when they're involved, imo.
I'm totally English, btw.
Well, I would be with a name like Badger, wouldn't I? smilies/smiley.gif
Comment 47, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.07 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Great, no plastic paddys next year for the world cup.
Ahh well lads have a cuppa tea, oh go on, go on, go on, u will, u will u will.


anelka ka ka ka
now for jedward to get the boot tomorrow.


Forget I asked smilies/sad.gif
Comment 48, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.12 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
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badger....lighten up bro i dont give a toss for ireland i did in the mid 90s when they were the republic of villa but to be honest they have been shit since so who cares? by the way im a english villa fan and just out for the craic.smilies/grin.gif
Comment 49, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.27 pm

Ammar said:

mon 4-5-1
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Would be good to see MON choose a team with some attacking flair. No room for Sidwell and Bench Petrov.

Guzan

L.Young Collins Dunne Warnock


Delph NRC

Milner A.Young Downing


Gabby

Subs
====
Carew
Petrov
Albrighton
Cueller
Brad.F
Fonz
Beye


OR


Guzan

L.Young Collins Dunne Warnock

Milner NRC

Gabby A.Young Downing

Carew


Subs

Delph
Albrighton
Cueller
Heskey
Petrov
Brad.f
Fonz
Comment 50, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.40 pm

James said:

Nanwasafan
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If I was MON, I'd now select that team offered by Mon 4-5-1.

Imagine how shocked and cross we'd all be if it failed to produce flair, ball retention and attacking football.

I've got a funny feeling we'd get beat. Properly. But, hey, at least we'd be getting beat in a poistive manner.

Select the team MON. Do us ALL a favour.
Comment 51, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.54 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Bench Petrov


You're kidding me smilies/shocked.gif

He's the only central mid we have who can see further than his nose, imo.

Bad call, big time for me.
He's our top CM by a mile atm.
Comment 52, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.55 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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He's our top CM by a mile atm.


I should have said "that's not saying much".

I don't include Delph, btw.
Comment 53, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.58 pm

Devon Villan said:

0
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Is Cappello MON in disguise?
Brings subs on with
Comment 54, made on November 14, 2009 at 9.58 pm

VDV said:

0
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reo out vandarvaart in, hesky out vagnar love in. happy days
Comment 55, made on November 14, 2009 at 10.11 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...

Is Cappello MON in disguise?
Brings subs on with..


I have to admit, I thought he would have changed things earlier.
I'm not sure what you can see in 5 mins?

Not that I'd question the bloke. I have the utmost respect for him.
The commentator said something along the lines of "you have to admit, there's no question about the side's commitment and effort. I think it's called fear"
smilies/cheesy.gif
And rightly so, imo.
None of this "well, we thought Bobby Robson was wrong" rubbish smilies/angry.gif
Comment 56, made on November 14, 2009 at 10.33 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
...
i read somewhere ashley has been given a 9k a week pay rise back dated to july for turning down spuds, putting the little fellow on 65k a week our highest earner, now if we pay those kind of wages then why couldnt we get players like vdv and huntelaar its not exactly a pitence is it?
Comment 57, made on November 14, 2009 at 10.42 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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putting the little fellow on 65k a week our highest earner, now if we pay those kind of wages then why couldnt we get players like vdv and huntelaar its not exactly a pitence is it?


I think you'll find those sorts of players are already on more money, with lower rates of tax.
To match their current wages, we'd probably have to offer nearer £100k a week.
As much as I've proffered similar types of names, it ain't going to happen at the Villa.
Probably rightly so, tbh.
reo out vandarvaart in, hesky out vagnar love in. happy days

See above.
Comment 58, made on November 14, 2009 at 10.50 pm

matthew halsey said:

matt26may1982
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Why would you prefer the French over the Irish?

Cos we would beat the french and lose to the Paddys.
And there wont be a load of idiots who dont normally like footy wearing green shirts and big hats pissed up in pubs blabbering on.
Comment 59, made on November 14, 2009 at 10.58 pm

Ammar said:

mon 4-5-1
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I've got a funny feeling we'd get beat. Properly. But, hey, at least we'd be getting beat in a poistive manner


Whys do you think we'd get beat properly Nan ? or is it just a feeling...

Badger,
not kidding i cannot work him out he not really a defensive midfielder but on the other hand he is also not a attacking midfielder. He is a player who looks like he is capable of a good pass yet you never see it often enough. As a matter of a fact i have yet to see it this season.









Comment 60, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.08 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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And there wont be a load of idiots who dont normally like footy wearing shirts and hats pissed up in pubs blabbering on.


Ah, you mean plastic England fans. My missus is one.

Or to be fair, the vast majority of any country's WC fans.
It's the way it is.
And come the WC, I can live with it smilies/grin.gif
Comment 61, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.11 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
Badger,
not kidding i cannot work him out he not really a defensive midfielder but on the other hand he is also not a attacking midfielder. He is a player who looks like he is capable of a good pass yet you never see it often enough. As a matter of a fact i have yet to see it this season.


It's a fair point.
But who else even looks like he might be capable of a good pass?
(I'm keeping Delph out of it remember). Certainly not Sid or NRC, imo.

I keep going back to what I've said before. Ie 4 or 5 players in the middle doesn't matter. It's about the players being good enough.
And even Petrov, as much as I rate him would not get in to a top 4 (or Citeh, or Spuds) midfield.

MON knows this, which is why I'm so confident NRC will be gone as soon as he can get a better replacement, as I said above smilies/wink.gif
Comment 62, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.24 pm

Ammar said:

mon 4-5-1
...
Is Cappello MON in disguise?
Brings subs on with


Strange one must be catching....Only 2 reasons i can think of is if you want to time waste but we were loosing so it blows that theory out of the window.

I guess they also get a cap to there name. Not like the old days were a cap meant you actually contributed in a England game.
Comment 63, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.26 pm

Ammar said:

mon 4-5-1
...
MON knows this, which is why I'm so confident NRC will be gone as soon as he can get a better replacement, as I said above


I think many of us are agreed on that our centre midfield needs a over haul but i am not holding my breath on any one coming in Jan. I think last season proved how difficult it is to get any quality at this time.

NRC is far from the ideal passer of the ball but at least he fits into the mold of defensive midfielder. That then just leaves the role of creative passer were Delph,Petrov can battle it out for the position.

Players that can go before Coker ,Sidwell,Gardner,Petrov as i cannot see were they fit in the current setup we have.
Comment 64, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.43 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
I was wondering who this "Deadwood" was.
I've just found out.

Thinks: "Where's me shotgun?"
Comment 65, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.47 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
NRC is far from the ideal passer of the ball but at least he fits into the mold of defensive midfielder.


He's a bag of shite mate, imo, let's face it.
The only reason he gets a shout from Villa fans (myself included) imo is because he's better than Sidwell, in that he has a plus point. He gets stuck in with some effect.

Basically, he wouldn't get a look in if we had anyone really decent, is what I'm saying.
Comment 66, made on November 14, 2009 at 11.55 pm

Ammar said:

mon 4-5-1
...
The only reason he gets a shout from Villa fans (myself included) imo is because he's better than Sidwell, in that he has a plus point. He gets stuck in with some effect


Would you say Coker is better than Petrov as a defensive midfielder ?
Comment 67, made on November 15, 2009 at 12.11 am

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
And as a little sidenote, for all you kids wondering what's wrong with Deadwood (sorry, Jedwood).

Be aware that we had all this crap 35-40 years ago with the likes of "Opportunity knocks" and "New faces".

Which produced the likes of Lena Zavaroni, the muscle man, Bobby Crush, Lenny Henry and that little girl you just wanted to slap (I'll squeam and squeam and squeam).

Trust me, your children will laugh at you in the same way as mine do about the above.
You've been warned.

smilies/cheesy.gif
Comment 68, made on November 15, 2009 at 12.13 am

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
Would you say Coker is better than Petrov as a defensive midfielder ?


I thought you'd gone smilies/cheesy.gif

No I wouldn't, no way. Petrov reads a game better, imo.
And NRC demonstrated his best assets against Pool.
Ie, charging forward and taking it to them.
Comment 69, made on November 15, 2009 at 12.18 am

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
Mind you, Petrov was supposed to be an attacking Mid too, wasn't he? He did alright for Celtic, after all.
I don't know the answer mate, but Petrov is the best we have, imo.
For now smilies/wink.gif
Comment 70, made on November 15, 2009 at 12.43 am

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
...
have you been on the piss badger?as im sure youve just slagged a couple of players off above were in previous posts you are bigging them up...which side of the fence are you really mate.smilies/cheesy.gif
Comment 71, made on November 15, 2009 at 1.03 am

Jeremiah Wood said:

jeremiah
...
Why would Reo-Coker be concerned about how we pass the ball? He can't pass.
Comment 72, made on November 15, 2009 at 1.32 am

Rattus NorVillicus said:

Pancho Villan
...
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez hopes to raise £15m from the sale of defender Andrea Dossena and forward Ryan Babel - and wants to splash some of the cash on Hamburg striker Eljero Elia.
Full story: Sunday Mirror


FSW has completely mismanaged Babel. He could be a good signing for someone.
Comment 73, made on November 15, 2009 at 6.36 am

Nick said:

nick_not_nicky
...
Delph played great for the u21s, really good I thought. I was actually surprised with his ability I thought he was a little bit more raw than what I saw.
Comment 74, made on November 15, 2009 at 7.18 am

Nick said:

nick_not_nicky
...
Sidwell gets too much heat on here. He is effective! And I bet he will start scoring some goals. He seems to just be a bit unlucky at the moment, he is making some good runs just not getting the bounces.

Im not saying his place is cemented by any means but he is doing a job for us. He is probably the most rounded out of all our central mids actually. People will probably flip out reading that but think about it. Remember Petrov isnt overly athletic which IMO is his major drawback. NRC cant pass, major drawback. Delph has no top flight exp, Gardner limited to almost no topflight exp in the center of the park.

Again not saying his place is or should be cemented, but he is a good player and is doing a lot of work that goes unseen per say.
Comment 75, made on November 15, 2009 at 7.28 am

Rob healey said:

parisianrob
...
totaly agree with nan cheap shots wont get you anywhere damian
Since the arrival of warnock collins dunne + young at right back we now have seen the back four play the ball through the middle with composure

In the middle of the park we have stan petrov not playing his best role but doing a job for the team and is one of the best break up midfielders in the premiership
His job then is to give it to a creative midfiealder or attacking midfielder to do something with it

Milner yes
Young Yes
NRC No runs around in circles loses possession
Sidwell No Never shows stan or the back four that he wants it

So by my understanding what he needs is replacements for NRC and Sidwell

We were all moaning about shipping goals last season now we have the second best defense in the prem with good backup too

Forwards were missing one up front pav from spuds would not be a bad aquisition at 10M

In midfield

we need two play makers
who knows who

I just read a ficle chelsea comment who said of lampard he has been as much use as a blind heskey this season

There you go were not the most fickle are we ?

UTV
Comment 76, made on November 15, 2009 at 8.15 am

shemmanz said:

0
...
Here we go reo coker is voted second best in midfield and is wanted by lots other good teams so hopefly we wont see him at the January Tranfer windows. He is not good i dont rate thats why he is gettin replaced by sidwell all the time he only was captain against Bolton because Petrov was surspeneded and this my thoughts of the middle and the wingers who should be playin for villa 1st squad.

Stewart Downing A.young Petrov Milner



Im not to sure about A.young because he is more a winger but i think thats what O'neil will do.smilies/grin.gif
Comment 77, made on November 15, 2009 at 8.59 am

Dan Clinton said:

Fenian Villain
...
Holte End Paul
as france are just as close to england as ireland is i think i will support them as in recent years they have shown they will fight beside us, and not against.

Give someone a reason to fight against you and they will. Do you think we did it for a laugh?? England really gave Ireland a good reason to be completely pissed off!
Comment 78, made on November 15, 2009 at 9.59 am

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
...
i understand the politics behind your point but i also know you invented the word terrorist, because we also pissed the zulu off and they fought and beat us man to man,unlike the irish who chose to hide behind their woman and children and bomb innocent people then run and hide.
Comment 79, made on November 15, 2009 at 12.18 pm

Adrian Kilgallon said:

ak_27
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holteend paul you understand very little you t**t.
Comment 80, made on November 15, 2009 at 12.21 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
...
ak_27..why the need to get personal you letter bombing arse wipe.
Comment 81, made on November 15, 2009 at 12.50 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
Calm down lads, it's a footy blog, not a political forum.

Let's concentrate on the stuff that matters on here, eh? smilies/smiley.gif
Comment 82, made on November 15, 2009 at 2.08 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
...
its the boredom badger lol
Comment 83, made on November 15, 2009 at 2.16 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
...
I know what you mean mate.
have you been on the piss badger?


Of course, it was a saturday smilies/grin.gif

Going back to what you were saying last night, I don't recall bigging up Petrov or NRC really.
If it comes across like that, it's just that they are the best we have. NRC does a certain job, but is too limited, imo.

As I said, none of our CMs would get in the top 4 etc.
I'm hoping DJ Stu will be the first of improvements in that area, but I'm not going to expect much out of him for at least a few months.
What's concerning me a bit is the mention of Delph not being happy at Villa smilies/sad.gif
Comment 84, made on November 15, 2009 at 2.48 pm

Dan Clinton said:

Fenian Villain
...
Well said AK, I often disagree with what you say about the Villa. I'm not sure how this got so off topic, except that Holte End Paul pushed my button in just the right place, but as AK said, you seem to understand very little. Who invented the concentration camp HotleEnd??
Again, apologies for the change in direction, but as you might guess from my name slanders on the Irish people/cause really piss me off
Comment 85, made on November 15, 2009 at 3.53 pm

paul mclafferty said:

holteend paul
...
i think the delph thing is being over hyped again because i watched the interview of him when he signed and he said it would take him a while to get into the first team and was willing to buckle down and wait his chance.
Comment 86, made on November 15, 2009 at 3.56 pm

shemmanz said:

0
...
Stephen Ireland should come to villa he class get him O'neil forget this champonship players lol.
Comment 87, made on November 15, 2009 at 7.32 pm

Greg said:

Greg Davillain1887
...
holte end paul should be banned for his sectarian uneducated views, your a disgrace bringing such politics onto this forum i for one hope your are banned if damien has the balls to stand up for whats right
Comment 88, made on November 15, 2009 at 9.39 pm

Damian said:

Damian
...
holteend paul

first, milner. i would love to see albrighton given a run in the team still ahead of him, but i fear that will never happen under o'neill - did we pay too much for him, i still think we did yes. his crossing success rate is still not the best and that for me is the most importatn attribute for a player like him. he also isn't the fastest player i've seen in calret and blue

as for your views on the irish. this is a football blog. if you want to talk about things like that, please not here.

Greg Davillain1887
there is no right or wrong. i dont think he will do it again and me not banning him is not about not having the balls to do so - if it was said in a pub, he wouldn't get thrown out and barred, well, maybe in ireland, but we are not in ireland

i have asked him to not comment on it again
Comment 89, made on November 16, 2009 at 10.25 am

Adrian Kilgallon said:

ak_27
...
If he said what he said in Ireland he wouldn't be getting barred he would be getting buried. But im sure holteend paul wouldn't have the balls to express his views face to face with an Irish man but would rather be the hard man sitting behind his pc in the safety of his home.
Comment 90, made on November 16, 2009 at 10.37 am

Enda said:

0
...
Damian, poor form.

I'm not going to call you a "letter bombing arse wipe", but I hope I would be banned for it if I were to.
Comment 91, made on November 16, 2009 at 11.03 am

Enda said:

0
...
Look, holteender paul, you really don't know your history. Irish men did "fight to the man" with British forces several times. The problem is that the British forces had a
pretty bad record of killing civilians, or usurp
ingcivlians' land afterwards
, or arresting elected officials, or destroying whole cities while they were at it.

Not knowing your history is fine. But it's not big or clever to act an ass about it.

Anyway, UTV.
Comment 92, made on November 16, 2009 at 3.02 pm

KMJ said:

0
...
NRC is playing like that because he's been told to play with a lot of limitation.Who would want to be told how they should play because you'll know that he's way better than that and all these............yea
Comment 93, made on January 21, 2010 at 8.17 am

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