Written by Damian Tuesday, 19 May 2009 10:21
Stephen Ireland is a decent midfielder and a slightly unlucky one. Unlucky because over this season he has probably been the outstanding young player and if the votes were taken at the end of the season for the player of the year awards, he might have pipped our Ashley, but they're not and over the previous twelve months our Ashley was better, still, a little unlucky.
I only mention this today because one of the papers is suggesting us and Arsenal are keen followers and that if contract talks with Manchester City break down, we might be ready to pounce.
It sounds like Ireland just wants more money and based on this season he probably deserves it, but if the story is true, he has been offered £60k a week, raising to £80k a week after two years; are we going to pay anything close to that for a 22 year old who has had two good seasons?
I like Ireland and if it were my money I'd probably pay it, but based on what we've seen of O'Neill since he arrived, you can't see him paying this much.
But moving on from one young player to another, this time David Bentley who according to Harry Redknapp, could leave in the summer and based on the way Bentley has been treated since Harry arrived at Spurs, you've got to fancy he doesn't want to stay.
He can't even get in the team when they don't have any right sided midfielders fit and while some will say that is an indication of his quality, I reckon it's an opportunity. Most would have been happy had we brought him in last summer and it sounds like we could get him for a fraction of the price Spurs paid Blackburn for him and I for one, would like to see him come.
Harry Redknapp, talking about Bentley
David's going to look at it and think 'hang on, I'm not getting in the team even when Aaron Lennon's not fit. Maybe it is time I moved on.
I think you've got to look at Bentley and ask if he's as good as what we've got and the answer to that should be yes. Could he get better? Maybe with a run, but he isn't worse that what we've got and if we can pick up for £6mn. then surely it's good business.
Lastly today, it looks like Liverpool are going to win the race for DJ Stewart Downing, even though he could be out for up to six months with a foot injury. I for one wouldn't be that disappointed losing out on him and I hope his foot gets better and he signs for Liverpool.
Again, this is all paper talk today, but I'm hoping to have something a little special for you later this week, just putting the finishing touches to it and another thing.
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trezzy
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... Bentley would be great,lescott,richards,defour and delph. dont get me wrong that would cost,but its what we need. however we will sign olsson or scharner and be talking about the same stuff this time next year. god i hope im wrong though. Lets back o'neil and get off gabbys back for 1 more season, o'neil has made a big mistake this year ,he knows it lets see if he does anything about it |
Mike Carter
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... You've got to wonder if Liverpool's interest in Barry is waning if they decide to go for Downing. |
Nick
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... All the city fans I know love Ireland and they'd be crazy to let him go. Would love to have him here but I can't see City not signing up one of their best players, however much he costs. Bentley would be good, I think he'd suit this team more than Spurs. I wouldn't be surprised if we're in for more of the relegated players though, Tuncay could be a surprisingly good deal... |
lorenzo
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... Tuncay and Bentley would be great, Scharner would be good too, if only because he's versatile and can do a good job in a number of positions. Olssen is 2nd only to the mop headed feller at Newcastle (Capaca I think his name is) at looking good for about 90% of the game and looking shocking for the rest of it. Titus Bramble makes him look bad, and that is bad... |
John Flynn
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... If Liverpool get Downing the Barry transfer will be off.. What i think O'neill will be doing in the summer is buying some quality players who can play 4-4-2. I doubt he will be after Lescott he's not much better than Davies, if we beat Newcastle and they go down there is going to be a scramble for a few of there players Steven Taylor would be a good buy. Also i got a ticket from seat exchange for sundays game (sold out) and it was nearly half price....not bad at all.! |
Altan Kargaci
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... Would be very surprised if we could get hold of Ireland ahead of others . As for Bentley if we got him for around 8-9m that would be an absolute steal . |
Michael
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... Bentley - YES Ireland - yes Downing - NO so hopefully if what damian says is true then it would be all good. I really dont like downing, he is a boring and poorer version of ashley young, where as bentley is an exciting and better right winger (not player) than milner. damian - was wondering what your views were on my post on the previous post, its the last comment. |
Pete Hutton
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... Damian - what do you mean a surprise for this week, have you news of player you think is in the bag to sign?? |
Michael
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... also, why is the last game of the season always on a sunday, saturday is a much better day to watch football!! |
peter haworth
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... Ireland was citys best player this season and there is no way that City will let him go.Not sure that L"pool still want Barry?Bentley is a possible squad player,can be moody and lazy,why is he not playing when Lennon is injured?Hope we dont pay over the odds for him as Im sure MON fancies him because he is English. |
clarkamus
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... we dont want diving eteven taylor no way jose, lesscott would be much better although im up for finding a gem abroad maybe we can find the next vidic for half the price have faith in o'neil up the villa |
Mike Carter
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... Ok, so let's say the Barry deal is off. What happens to him then? I'm certainly not going to welcome him back with open arms. |
Daniel Wilson
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... Ireland yes Bentley NO! Damian, not having a pop but please please please explain why you rate him so highly, I just can't see anything worth getting excited about. He has a cracking cross but that is literaly as far as it goes, it's as good as getting a 90 year old with a zimmer frame and putting him in the top right hand corner of the pitch, he won't move, wont track back, wont help out and will even throw you a strop or two when things don't go his way. I'd have Milner in that position long before Bentley, and i'm not even a big fan of Milner as a winger, in my opinion he should move inside. Like I said, not a pop i'm just really interested in what people have seen in Bentley that I have obviously missed - Video link of him getting some mud on his knees would be a nice start  |
DAMIEN REYNOLDS
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... Jaf...I think Lescott is way better player then Davies, Davies has show'n this season he cant be depended on not eaven for back up while Lescott is part of one of the best defence's in the league and is a goal treath fom set peices.unlike Davies he flaps at every thing. |
Mike Carter
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... Bentley's reputation has been a bit tarnished since he moved to Spurs. Honestly, watch videos of him playing for Blackburn from last season and you will see a totally different player. He worked very hard and was one of the best midfielders in the Premiership. Things haven't worked out at Tottenham, clearly. It's unfair to say he's lazy because he's not. He just obviously does not want to work with Harry, and I can't blame him to be honest. Harry doesn't see him as part of his plans so he totally blanks him out. I reckon working for O'Neill, we'd see the best of Bentley again, possibley even better than Hughes got out of him. Could be a quality asset, and potentially a lot cheaper than if we'd signed him last Summer. |
Chris Harper
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... Dan I think you're a bit critical of Bentley, he wouldn't have made a name for himself if he was as bad as you make out. How many times have you seen him play live? That is when you know exactly how a player performs, not from glimpses on tv. |
Daniel Wilson
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... Chris I hold my head in shame, as the answer to that is NEVER  but I don't think any tv producers set out to make him look as lazy as he comes accross on a regular basis. If we sign him I hope your right but honestly, theres a load of other players i'd move for first, especially since were sposed to be pushing for top 4, arn't we? |
Mike Carter
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... I think he can be a top 4 player, honestly. I certainly think he can be twice the player Milner is. |
Chris Harper
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... I think it will be a case of trying to stay in the top 6 next season to be honest. Unless the summer transfers indicate otherwise... I think Bentley will suit our style of play i.e. get it to the wingers and let them attack the fullback and cross. This is perfect for Bentley, as opposed to Milner who people will argue, cannot cross. At Spurs, they don't play that style of football, hence Bentley not fitting in. Harry said that himself. They play a passing game and more through the middle, the way in which I would like to see Villa play to be honest. |
Vijay
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... Bentley could become a very good player under mon's guidance, Milner could then move into the middle where he would be more effective, great move i think, and Ireland would be good too! But dont get your hopes high, its going to be a frustrating summer guys.... |
Spencer
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... Downing - NO Bentley - YES Ireland - NOT GOING TO HAPPEN (but would be a big yes) Downing isn't consistent enough & if he's out for 6 months it'll be more like 7-8 before he's match fit & sharp again. Bentley has had a bad season but that doesn't automatically make him a bad player. He will know that his next move is going to be a very important one and he'll need to make it work. I could see him fitting in and moving Milner just behind a single centre forward. Ireland will be staying put but would look brilliant in claret and blue. p.s Lescott is definitely a better player than Davis and I think playing alongside eachother you'd see the best of Davis again. |
Daniel Wilson
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... Vivavilla we obviously have very different opinions which is fine. Milner to me is an absolute rock, someone who will graft and graft until he's been kicked so many times he can't stand up any more and even then he'd probably still crawl around trying to get in the way. He has everything apart from the cross which is why I want to see him moved into the middle so much, he could be a legend in there. I just think (going by what i've seen on tv - fair point chris) that when Bentley loses it, he will have a quick try to tackle back, then when he's beaten he'll start wandering slwly back towards the half way line. Milner would already be over the half way line, goal side again ready to have another pop. I can see us losing so much possesion down the right flank if we get someone in who isn't willing to knuckle down. If we get him, i'll support him like any other Villa player and I seriously hope I'm wrong with what i'm saying, I just can't see it, and I don't think Harry Redtwitch has seen it either. |
Eoin Greene
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... Personally I believe that Bentley has been found out. A season at a club that gets little or no exposure - he scores 4-5 good goals, young and English - and the media build up his reputation for him. He goes to Tottenham and can hardly make the bench. I think he has an attidude problem, has a huge ego and is as slow as christmas. I may be wrong and he may be a great buy - at least we wouldn't have to spend crazy money on him. I just reckon that if we had any decent scouts throughout europe that there must be lots of targets who would cost half the price and have have twice the potential. Jagielka and Lescott are two excellent defenders. However, I dont see them leaving Everton for any team outside the top 4. Everton are at least a year ahead of us and have spent very little money. Finally - if we sign Stephen Taylor - we might as well prepare for a relegation dogfight. That man would look dodgy if he played in a back three with McGrath and Laursen either side of him - and they would make Bramble look like a cross between Zico and Socrates. |
Chris Harper
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... In Bentley's defence, Harry Redknapp has said he's a really good bloke and a very good footballer, he just doesn't suit his playing style. Therefore I think its a bit harsh saying he has an attitude problem. We don't know at the end of the day. |
Mike Carter
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... Eoin I don't quite get your point. Blackburn are a Premiership team, they feature every week on Match of the Day just like every other team. Obviously they don't get talked about like the big 4 but they get just as much exposure as the other 16 teams. Did you watch Bentley play for them? He was very good, very similar infact to how Ashley shines out for us. He hasn't been "found out" by playing for a better team, infact Tottenham haven't been that much better than Blackburn at all over the last 2 years (piss-poor management by Paul Ince notwithstanding). |
Damian
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... Pete Hutton No, nothing like that. I'm working on a forum and hopefully something else, but nothing quite as spectacular as that - all very specific to this website and nothing else ... sorry. |
Charlie Littlejohns
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... Discover I totally agree... I was buzzing when we first bought Davies, but I swear he has become our worst centre back and thats saying something. He has absolutely no composure.. he panicks almost every time he gets the ball. I would love Lescott.. but im still hopefull this Ajax defender will come. Ireland and Bentley are both definite Yes's in my opinion. UTV |
Eoin Greene
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... Viva - I just think if you take the match of the day scenario - Blackburn are a team where you get to see the goals. Bentley scored a few good goals and hence was their star player - plus he is young and english so the media latched on to him. Thats just my opinion - I do believe that he has talent but I think he doesn't have the right attitude. Now if he had Milners attitude with his own talent we would have a superstar!! Maybe he is worth taking a risk on, but I think he needs to be a big fish in a small pond. Redknapp obviously wants rid of him and cant get rid of him fast enough - so thats hardly a glowing review. |
Chris Harper
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... eoin, teams never wanted Carew....now look what we have! Players can start a fresh going to a new club. Bentley obviously has talent as we've all seen it along the line. I would say buy him and give the lad a chance. |
VillaDude
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... I think both Bentley and Ireland will be good additions BUT there is no chance in Ireland coming to Villa Park if his contract situation is true - There is a very strict wage cap at Villa - and our top earners get 55-60k a week. If Ireland is demanding 60-80k at Man City - then don't expect him at Villa Park next season. Not too dissapointed by Downing - he is a good player but think it would have a negative effect on Ashley Young. I prefer we went for someone like Fabian Delph to compete with Young for the left side. Bentley would be a good addition, Milner needs some competition for that Right Wing spot - at the moment he is walking straight into the team and having a few shocker performance. Bentley has a bit of flair and creativity, hes not the average workhorce average player that MON likes. He can score spectacular goals and find a killer pass. EXACTLY what we need. |
RayK
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... I wonder if there is something in the Ireland story. I think his contract is up at the end of the season - or at least before Christmas. Does anyone know any more? He's a top draw player and would be sensational in midfield for us, but I can't help but think that ALL of the top 4 would be interested in him. Anything in the range of £8m - £10m for Bentley would be a great deal for us. All of a sudden a midfield of Young, Ireland, Petrov and Bentley/Milner looks pretty decent! |
Pete Hutton
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... cheers Damian, looking forward to the new forum nonetheless, if however you were asked who you think we ll sign realstically over the summer who would you put your money on?? |
Chrisodon
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... If we did sign bentley i'd take that as barry is off as i see bentley being more influential in the middle than milner would be, also milner grafts a good shift on the right and i think he'd be alot less productive in the middle, also there's the ability to switch the both of them in there positions if it's not working in the match. Petrov and bentley could be very good in the middle. |
RayK
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... I was going to say that playing Bentley in central midfield would be a total waste as you would be playing him out of position ... but then I remembered Luke Young at left back, NRC/Gardner and now Milner at right back so it would make perfect sense for MON to do that! |
Damian
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... Pete Hutton It's a tough call on who we are going to sign. If I had to pick one I'd say Fabian Delph and I'd say there would be interest in Bentley as we made an approach last summer. |
avfcavfcavfc
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... Hi, i'm a Villa season ticket holder, have been for few years now. I must say, this has been the most exciting season for a while now, yes it went sour after christmas, but to be in with a shout during most the season has been great. Lets hope we do even better next season. Regarding who we may and may not buy, many many people on here were wishing for Bentley last summer, he is a very good player whom we have got the chance of signing, with the world cup new yr i'm sure he'd like the thought of playing for us, alot of the time in front of England reps. ireland? I've watched this kid for a few years now, rated him since i saw him, he'd be a great asset. And i know for a fact his Mrs's family live in Birmingham, i'm sure he'd give that a thought as i'm sure his mrs would too, so dont be suprised! |
David Tyler
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... Dan, I'm broadly with you on Bentley - but if it's in the region of £6-8m, I'd say a gamble worth taking... to give us either a chance to rotate 2 from 3 wingers or - even better - try Milner in centre. HR is hardly going to say "the man's a prat and I hate him" if he wants to move him on so can't look to much into his comments, though. |
mikey18
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... Lescott is a good player, and would help bring davies on. davies is only 23/4 thats young for a centre back and he will come on over time. Ferdinand was prone to a poor performance and massive error at that age! City might look to cash in one ireland. He plays a free role which i think city would prefer to give kaka, ronaldhino and the likes. I don't think they would sell him until they get a replacement, if they sell him at all. But if he was a clever guy he'd leave as would sturridge as they players they hope to bring in eto, villa, kaka, etc play in there positions and if they do sign them they will be benched. ALL season people have moaned that james milner is not fast enough to play on the right hand side, well i'd say hes quicker than bentley! Bentley has a better cross thats all, and milner can improve his, as ashley did over his first season at villa. Milner can be taught to cross but grit, determination and tenacity can't be. The stats show Milner has outperformed all rivals in respect to goals and assists bar ashley young. I can't see the point in signing delph, will he get the opportunity to develop here? i don't think so. Oneil is very prudent with his youth and i think he shall have to become more willing to use them to complement the team in cup and league games to. |
Merse Magic
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... Do not buy Taylor from Newcastle!!! He is absolutely horrendous, he makes more mistakes than Bramble, Knight and the full West Brom defence put together. Would prove to be the worst buy of O'neills reign, which would be an extremely good effort! As for Bentley, Ireland and Lescott, thats a definate yes. For the right price ofcourse! We need to build a squad this summer. UTV |
croni
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... Ireland would be a brilliant buy i can't see it happening, he's just looking for more money, and I wouldn't blame him, he's had a brilliant season, City's best player by far, and what City are offering is less than what Bridge is getting, which is 93 grand a week. What kind of world are we living in when Wayne Bridge is getting 93 grand a week? As for Bentley, I could take him or leave him |
Tim Hillman
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... What is peoples view on giving webcam a run up top? He palyed up front for Watford and I am sure MON said that he was playing him on the wing for him to learn his trade so he can eventually move up front. A bit like Wenger is doing with Theo? I would Like Ash to be given more of a free role like Rooney gets to play sometimes at Man Utd. Letting him stay left but having the freedom to come inside and show what he can do up front. |
David Tyler
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... mikey18 Agree - Lescott would be a great addition. We need to replace Laursen's goal threat. Why? His goal record says he was a commanding forward, outperforming his opposite numbers to get the ball and control the end product. I know we all know ML had that but this is the key to his replacement. You don't need two defenders with a major goal threat as long as you've got someone who can win the aerial ball - but this is a good pointer. Following this logic, you'd start to value the likes of Lescott, Taylor and Shawcross over the likes of Hangeland and Vermaelen. Of those 3, Lescott's the only one with the experience to come in and lead though (and Hangeland is still someone I'm keen on). Sure, you don't get a defender for goals scored but how many goals do we score from set pieces now compared to last year? A couple of goals here and there could have made a big difference to the end of our season. To get the most out of either Davies or Cuellar, we need someone who is going to command both boxes. |
VillaChris
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... CSM, I watched Ashley Young up front this season, I think it was in an Intertoto cup game. He wasn't very effective tbh,but there again, we were hoofing the ball up to him when he's a player who needs it to feet. Put it this way, Gabby is a lot better in this role (long ball,holding it up). |
Tim Hillman
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... I think if he played up top he would have to have someone like Carew or dare I say Heskey up along side him. |
Fitzy_7
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... david bentley for 6 million is an absolute steal he oozes quality imo perhaps lacks the work rate but im sure o'neill will sort that out.... remember how good he was at blackburn!!!! |
Panos
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... Fitzy_7, I agree. even though I think the price will be around 8-10mil. He's had a poor season at spurs, but you can say the same for most of their players there. |
Mark
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... I think if MON was manager at the time Lescott became available at Wolves we would have had him. I also think a lot of the people now clamouring for him at any price would have been moaning saying why does MON only buy young english players? In respect of Bentley he is not a bad player, if he comes at the right price I'm sure MON will have him because he is not afraid of dodgy reputations and he confirmed he had bid for him when he went to Spurs. To the people comparing him to Milner however, they just betray their lack of football knowledge. Anyone who seriously believes we will play Bentley and Young together as wingers is off their rocker. I can see Bentley coming and Ashley going. |
RayK
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... AVMark - I don't understand what you mean re not playing both Young and Bentley. MON tried to buy Bentley last year b4 he signed Milner and no suggestion then of us selling Young. btw - was Luke Young actually injured on Sat or did MON think Milner stood a better chance against Downing? |
RayK
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... VillaChris - cheers. I still think that's MON's stragest decision this season - ie that the combination of Heskey on the right wing and Milner as right full back was more effective (both offensively/defensively) than Milner on the RW and NRC or Gardner at RB..... |
VillaChris
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... No probs RayK. To be honest there have been that many strange decisions this season, I can't put my finger on the worst one! |
Mark
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... RayK it's a fair point but maybe that's the reason we didn't pay over the odds for him. We know MON wants to play 4-4-2. We know we have been overun in midfield by the better teams even with Milner in who everyone agrees is a serious worker. Do we therefore think that we are so good that we will play 2 attacking wingers? No way. Even at Man U where they play 4-2-4 or (a proper) 4-3-3 this incorporates massive workers like Tevez and Rooney. Neither Young nor Bentley have the engines and ppwer of those two players. So yeah, Bentley and Young together? No way, not in a 4-4-2. |
ak_27
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... AVMark i would say at home to the likes of Wigan, Fulham and all the teams we should have beaten at Villa park this season you would get away with playing Bentley and Young together. I take your point though especially away from home but at least we would have options which is what a club in our position should have. I wouldn't pay anymore then 8m for him. |
mikey18
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... AVmark Bentley is a more right sided midfielder and ashley a winger, milner somewhere between the two. Bentley could be a similar player as to barry when he played left hand side. I think the essence of martin oneils strategy is to play two attacking wingers with two big centre forwards and get it wide and get it in the box. Its a very effective approach, it can catch teams out on the break and the long ball from the back line is always an option as the centre forwards can challenge in the air with most centre backs. But i think when you look at Man Utd and Liverpool and even Chelsea, there formation changes to meet the occasion. They have the personnel who have the work rate, abillity and disicpline to play different roles. Man utd dont have a formation, it changes from game to game and even during games the only thing that is set is that they have a back for. The game against arsenal they started with a stadnard back for then fletcher, carrick, ronaldo giggs, rooney tevez. They could be a 4-4-2, 4-3-3, 4-5-1 and i bet it was all of those things during the game. they have the creative freedom to express themselves but have the discpline and work rate to do the hard part! |
Michael
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... best team for next season Jaaskelainen young lescot metzelder lahm bentley milner petrov young owen carew guzan, davies, shorey, sidwell, gardner, gabby, heskey |
David Tyler
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... Interesting, mickey86... would be pretty happy with that. Not going to replace both Davies and Cuellar though. I'm not keen on taking Owen myself but it's a bit like Bentley - if the money's good, so be it (though in MO's case, in pay-per-play sense rather than the purchase fee). We've missed the boat on Jaaskelainen too but always been a fan. I see Bassong has lost his Red Card appeal... shame, would have been interesting to seem him play in person, given that he's generally regarded as their one success this season. |
David Tyler
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... Just re-read the HR quote... is he trying to get out of paying those loyalty bonuses by making DB hand in a transfer request? Or does he think DB is so daft that he needs to spell out how to put 2 and 2 together? |
Kiwivillan
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... Why not start a rumour that Kaka is a Villa target? Ireland is looking for a pay rise and the chances of him moving to Villa are as likely as Kaka. Pointless horseshit. Not too mention he's a twat and could easily get the hump with MON. |
Michael
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... its not that far fetched kiwi - if man city spend big this summer which is likely, a central midfielder is high on everyones shopping list so might become surplus to requirements as he isnt glamorous enough for the richest team in the world. agreed machine - we have missed the boat on jaaskelainen, dont understand why we never got him last summer for free instead of paying 2.5million for friedel who is also 3 years older. maybe we can buy 2 centre backs tho, and let knight go, we already need one to replace laursen so another one isnt too much too ask. |
RayK
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... i agree that the Ireland talk is likely to be contract talk only....but he is out of contract quite soon and so more chance than Citeh signing Kaka... |
rustynoodles
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... Bring back olly and let him finish his career where he belongs. Great instant replacement for Laursen and might help Curtis along a little? sell knight and make a big play for Hangeland which in turn will help keep competition fierce. Olly, Hangeland, Curtis & Carlos. |
brummy_avfc_93
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... ireland ent goin nowhere, hes bein one of their best players this season. Hangleland, richards and olly wud be quality and maybe raid newcastle for owen and martins. UP THE VILLA !!! |
chris brown avfc
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... I agree!!Steven Ireland will be staying put,even though city are set to splash out in the summer.He has been great for them this season.I think Bently could be a good buy but might be a gamble.He was brilliant for blackburn but since he has gone to spurs he has not be good at all.Saying that Harry dosn't really seem to give him a chance.UP THE VILLA!!!! |
DAVIDVILLA
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... I think ireland and bentley would be great buys, ireland would fit in perfect, but i would only bentley if barry goes. For me barry is 3 maybe 4 times the player he is, so fingers crossed barry signs a new deal and we continue what we started which was to build a squad around barry UP THE VILLA |
HATE THE NOSES
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... I hear knight is wanted by the scum lol thats great news we will be thanking him at the end of the season we they go back to the championship |
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