Written by Damian Tuesday, 02 March 2010 11:17
Moving away from what did or didn't happen on Sunday, we have some rumours. Rumours are not what make football football but they do allow us a few brief moments to not worry about what is is isn't happening and today, we have two.
First up is Alexander Hleb from Barcelona, who according to the Daily Mirror, is desperate for a return to the Premier League and we are, along with Manchester City, standing by wanting to sign him.
Next up is Karl Henry from Wolves and if I had to put a pound on which one was more likely, this would be the one my pound went on. Henry is a midfielder but has also played at right back and we all know Martin O'Neill likes a player to cover at right back.
Now, I am only put a pound on the the more likely of the rumours but I wouldn't think either of these are true. I'd sort of like the Hleb one to be true but by the time next season starts he will be 29 years old and I'm also not 100% convinced he is the player that we need. He is certainly the type of player we need, someone who can attack from midfield and play on the wing, but I'm not sure he is actually the one.
As I write that though, just having someone like him I think would benefit the team, so while I am not convinced he is the one, he would be better than none.
Still, only rumours, probably carrying as much credible substance as a $5 crack whore slumming it in a Kings Cross doorway waiting for his next customer. I'm off to watch the football from the weekend and we will do a special Reading preview tomorrow.
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Carl Main
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... Theres an element of depression in your writing Damo? Are you still angry after Sunday? Im getting over it now and looking onwards and upwards! Sunday is MASSIVE now. |
Damian
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... Maindog all fine with me. still a bit disappointed about sunday and surprised but that is all |
Tim Hillman
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... Karl Henry would be a backward step in my opinion. Not sure Hleb has the right work ethos for a MON player. He is skillful but not sure he would work hard enough. |
Chris Harper
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... Cheer up Damian. I hope we don't go for Henry...ok, he's decent enough for them but he's not as good as any of our CM's. David Jones is better than him. Hleb would be a good buy. He's a Modric type player that we would love to have at the club. |
villatx
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... glad to read something about the villa thats not about the loss.. seems i cant find a story online anywhere that doesnt remind me of sunday...oh well hleb is a quality player, but i dont know how he would fit or where he would play here...cant complain if we signed him for a good price though...not a bad player to have in your ranks... dont know much about henry so wont go there ill be in london on thursday then birmingham for the weekend if anyone has any recommendations of where to go or what to do i appreciate it |
Chris Harper
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... villatx On a more serious note...check this site out dude. http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/A...gland.html |
VillaDude
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... Our league position finish will depend on what calibre of player we can attact. No Champions league and it will the likes of Karl Henry, but if we do make it then who knows who we can attract. MON has already stated, without champions league we struggle to attract top players, we can't afford to do what spurs and man city do and offer the big wages... |
Damian
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... VillaDude isn't that is where the risk is and wasn't that what many slated doug ellis for? if you want to play in the top four and attract the players that will get you top four you have to pay the top four wages otherwise someone else, either already in the top four or with aspirations of playing in the top four will |
Vijay Daryanani
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... I said it yesterday and am saying it again, i hope Lerner saw on Sunday that in MON we have the best manager around and that the team is maybe 2 top players from really making the big time , if he isnt willing to back the manager now then it will be really sad, mon will leave one day and we will be back to the drawing board....im sad more about that than Sunday, the owner has a big decision to make |
VillaDude
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... I guess we don't have the chairman who is willing to take that risk, and Im not sure MON would go out and spend 30m on a striker, he has never managed a world class player . Last season was a big chance to get champions league on the cheap and we flopped it - I think if we don't make it this year then the board/chairman will need to come to a decision on how they are going to break the top 4. It seems man city and spurs are willing to break the banks - but what happens if that risk doesn't pay off - would be comfortable if Villa was run like that? |
Rattus NorVillicus
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...Maindog said: I'm still on a high after Sunday It was a great match, and as somebody said in the previous blog, there is a gap - but that the gap is narrowing was there for all to see. The players we have, Downing, Gabby, Delph, Delf, to name but four, will all get better and there will be new signings. The future is very bright. |
Andi
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...if he isnt willing to back the manager now then it will be really sad, has Lerner not done this every closed season since arriving ?? I think if we don't make it this year then the board/chairman will need to come to a decision on how they are going to break the top 4. think you might be right and it will be decided that big bags of money are the only way I guess we don't have the chairman who is willing to take that risk, and Im not sure MON would go out and spend 30m on a striker, he has never managed a world class player over the closed season the MON has been with us he has had to buy more than one player at a time to rebuild and get us where we are. This closed season MON has the team he built it is now time for the big signings that will push us on, he doesnt have to spread his budget anymore and can now spend it on 1 or 2 players. |
John Samuels
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... Lerner will back MoN, there has been no suggestion over the last three summer windows that he won't and the likleihood is that £0-£50m will be made available. Mon has not let us down yet in the summer window. Despite being unusual choices that not everyone has warmed to immediately, he has signed good quality players for reasonable money and reasonable wages that are consistently close to the top of the table and have now made it to a cup final. I see nothing that would suggest he won't go out and improve the team yet again. Each window he's had has increasingly been the most important and now it appears this is the most important yet. |
Ammar
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...Next up is Karl Henry from Wolves and if I had to put a pound on which one was more likely, this would be the one my pound went on. Henry is a midfielder but has also played at right back and we all know Martin O'Neill likes a player to cover at right back. Quality Damian. Think we played really well against United in the first half but could it have been even better if for once Mr O'Neil showed adventure and had put Luke Young as the right back. How many times did you see Cueller cross the half way line in acres of space but really did not know what to do. At times he was almost running into Young or Downing. He looked out of place almost like someone he needs to be told what to do rather than doing it naturally. Cueller quality centre back very average right back at times can be a liability when playing in the right back position. As i have said many times before it does not make sense to play players out of position if you have quality players who play that position day in day out. Can anyone honestly tell me Cueller is a better right back the L.Young ? Then we have Sidwell who seems to come on as super sub in front of Delph but when it comes to Squad rotation ie Fa Cup games Delph is selected before Sidwell. Bizzare to say the least. |
villatx
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... villa chris Legs Eleven, just give Carew a call villatx smilies/grin.gif god i could only dream... |
John Samuels
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...How many times did you see Cueller cross the half way line in acres of space but really did not know what to do. How many times did Utd get down our right hand side and put a dangerous ball in?? I thought Cuellar was pretty bloody solid tbh. |
Tim Hillman
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... Why do people think Lerener won't back MON in the transfer window??? He has stumped up for players in the last 3 windows so why would this on be any different. MON is shrewd and wont buy someone he doesn't think won't fit into his plans. Against Man Utd I would have only wanted Rooney, Vidic and maybe Valencia to be in our team. This shows how MON has improved our team. We might not play attractive flowing football all the time but we do look solid and the work ethic is remarkable. |
captain fishcake
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... Arent we getting away from the real issue that is despite having 2 international wingers and a potential England captain in the midfield we cant score goals! Our defence which on paper is the best in the premiership are keeping us in the Champions league race, but you cant win games without scoring. Yes Gabby had a reasonable game but the Mule spent more time on his backside than he did in the box. Gabby will improve theres no doubt about that but he needs a big strike partner to tee him up. There was more movement in big Brad than there was in both Big John and the Mule on sunday. I think that in the summer MON has to off load either Big John or the Mule and get a big dynamic striker, someone the likes of Kenwyne Jones, Carlton Cole or Crouchie Just my thoughts |
Ammar
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...How many times did Utd get down our right hand side and put a dangerous ball in?? I thought Cuellar was pretty bloody solid tbh. I agree with the above but i think that were we differ. Your thinking more on the defensive aspect of things whilst my previous comment was on the basis of our attacking options down both flanks. So do you think Cueller is a better Right back than L.Young ? |
John Samuels
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...Then we have Sidwell who seems to come on as super sub in front of Delph but when it comes to Squad rotation ie Fa Cup games Delph is selected before Sidwell. Sidwell is solid and has experience. Despite being a pretty bog standard average player he is much less likely to make a mistake late in a game and because of his experience can potentially adjust to the pace of a game a little quicker than a youngster. Mon knows that playing from the start will be much more valuable for the kids as it gives them a chance to stamp themselves on a game and get more experience. This is why he'd rather bring them in for cup games as it doesn't impact our league form and the atmosphere in cup games is more volatile and great experience for the kids. Next question. |
Damian
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...Lerner will back MoN, there has been no suggestion over the last three summer windows that he won't and the likleihood is that £0-£50m will be made available.You are right - there has been no suggestion over the last three summers but there was a suggestion in January that he had to sell before buying. As for 'good quality' players. That is where the concern is. They are just good quality, nothing really or remotely special and that is generally accepted as what is needed, yet again. This isn't the first time anyone has suggested we need real quality. It was said after his second and third seasons and in the last January transfer window, the one before that and the one before that. Sure, Downing needs a full pre-season and Delph might come good and Milner, who has played in four positions for us, might find one soon that the manager will allow him to make his own but it isn't as if we have signed anyone that really, anyone thought, was going to make the difference and it is all well and good buying for the future, but sometimes, you need to buy for now - you cant always live on promises, hope and faith - because eventually, all those players you have brought in will either get too old or frustrated and move on when a better offer comes in. Actions speak louder than words. Lets just see what happens between now and the end of the season (O'Neill is on target for target based on his win rate) and lets see if we spend on the right type of player and lets also hope that some of the players that the manager has brought in don't leave, because then the excuses getting thrown about next season will be he had to replace the players that left and it was important that he had his core. |
Andi
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...Sidwell is solid and has experience JPA please dont destroy the love invisidwell is S"$t end of  |
Tim Hillman
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...Sidwell is solid and has experience. So has my bed but doesn't mean I want it to play central midfield! |
John Samuels
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... If we had another Cuellar on the left we probably would have won that 1-0.  I think Warnock is a fantastic player, but I think the playing surface caused him a few problems on sunday. Cuellar playing at RB was not the reason we lost. That argument is a cop out. We should have had a man extra, Dunne got caught in posession which is unlucky as he has been unbelievable this year and Collins was unlucky for the second when he had an otherwise brilliant game. Warnock, Collins and Dunne were unlucky, in fact we were unlucky and we were beaten by a fantastic side, but we made them work for it. Stop looking for a scape goat.  |
Christian
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... What a fantastic weekend Absolutely gutted about the result and the referee bottling it, but how good is it to be in and around Wembley lads??!!! Got a real taste for it now! We performed much as I expected. Hard working, fight to the death, grit and the odd touch of class. I'm normally one of the more 'realistic/pessimistic' bloggers on here, but on this ocassion I dont want to moan at all because I'm very proud and United are a damn good/always lucky side. The only thing I'd like to have seen is Cuellar at centreback and Young at fullback. I don't think Cuellar would have taken his eye off Rooney for the second, but who knows... I also wish Downing and Young had got a grip of the game more- I think Rafael was there for the taking. I'm starting to criticise!!  Great weekend, let's do it again lads! And Hleb? Yes please! |
John Samuels
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... Sidwell is a fairly safe option to go and kick people and generally cause a nuisance when Petrov gets leggy. He is a squad player, nothing more. Delph is a marvellous talent, but due to his inexperience all he has to do is something rash or panicked and we concede and lose. Sidwell is never gonna come on and score the winner, but he does have his merits. Over next season with more games I expect to see more and more of Delph and less of Sidwell. Reo Coker is a better player for us. So do you think Cueller is a better Right back than L.Young ? A tough question, I'd say I agree with the reason for your argument above, Cuellar is a better defender and Young is better with the ball at his feet. Either are fine and whoever MoN wants to pick i'm happy. I just had to disagree with the comment above, that had we played Young we wouldn't have lost. Naive when you consider most of United's best play came down our left hand side. Admittedly Young may have offered us a little more going forward, but I really don't think you put your RB in in order to score goals. We have Ash, Downing, Milner, Gabby and Heskey in the side, not to mention Warnock and if that lot can't get a goal in open play then I don't see why bringing on a RB who isn't exactly the paciest, or renowned for his crossing is going to change that. |
Ammar
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...Cuellar playing at RB was not the reason we lost. That argument is a cop out. Actually you'll find wishing the other team was down to 10 men to win is more of a cop out and clutching at straws. Lets not forget we were given a penalty and did go 1-0 up. in fact we were unlucky and we were beaten by a fantastic side Speak to most footballing fans or pundits and they will say this is one of the most average united teams for many a year. Take Rooney out and there pretty average and on the decline . But then again your entitled to your own opnions... |
John Samuels
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... That's fair mon 4-5-1. The reality is they beat us. They played better and they have a CL game which they're winning against AC Milan and they are also right in the title race. They are a good good side and they have some fantastic players. I wasn't wishing we had an extra man (although we should have according to the rules of the game and Belletti was sent off for less against Citeh), in fact if you read my posts above you'll see i've been pretty objective about the whole situation. If people are going to blame MoN or Cuellar, which is ridiculous, then I'm going to blame the pitch and Phil Dowd. You lot stop being ridiculous and I will. |
Max
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... Can't remember which game it was but I remember a peach of a cross from Cuellar at RB which led to a goal. Though I have to admit I prefer the idea of a RB playing at RB, I'm not convinced either have staked a claim for RB to be exclusively their position. A little off topic (linked to budgets) - remember a while back talk of VP being upgraded - do we know to what capacity and when? Recall talk of it being just before the Olympics. |
Christian
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... I think the real question here is, is Luke Young a better rightback than James Collins is a centreback? If the answer to this is 'yes', then that should really suggest Young in at rightback and Cuellar in for Collins at centreback. |
Andi
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...Sidwell is a fairly safe option to go and kick people and generally cause a nuisance when everyone in the ground doesnt want to put on a pair of boots and play instead of him. INVISIWELL is rubbish he has nothing of any note for us and changes absolutly zip all when comes on, he provides us with no options and if anything leaves us a man down. Please provide me with: 1) video evidence he has done anything for us that only he could do 2) evidence that he is worth having at all 3) any good at anything |
Andi
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...but he does have his merits I guess Sidwell has his merits just like MULE has got goals in him |
Christian
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... I agree with you Chiefy. He's utter sh*te. Chelsea couldn't wait to bomb him out the door after they'd had a close look at him following his 'wonder-season' with Reading. He's never been able to get a game at Villa either. I think he'll do a Jody Morris (remember him??) and just disappear off the radar. |
John Samuels
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...A little off topic (linked to budgets) - remember a while back talk of VP being upgraded - do we know to what capacity and when? Recall talk of it being just before the Olympics. Planning has been granted to make VP 60,000 all seater. Work will be starting at the end of next season I believe. All i know is it will be taking place during the 2012 close season. |
John Samuels
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... Chiefy, he gives Petrov a rest, he doesn't give the ball away too easy and he kicks people. That's it. That's all he is good for. |
Ammar
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...If people are going to blame MoN or Cuellar, I do not blame Cueller its not his fault his played out of position. I will Blame MON. Sorry JPA but i do not follow blindly and if something is pretty obvious to me then i will see it the way i see it. I think being ridiculous is playing a centre back at right back when we have 2 right backs sitting on the bench. You also said that Cueller is better than L.Young due to his defending abilities fair enough. Again Defense over attack but matter of opnion.. You said united are a fantastic / Good team so looking at there left back and right back did you think they were concerned with what we might do down there flanks ? It not about blame but about mentality. Mentally Fergie and united had a game plan and it was to attack and win. |
Andi
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...he gives Petrov a rest, he doesn't give the ball away too easy and he kicks people. That's it. That's all he is good for. not enough in my opinion that is no reason to have him at the club. Delph can do that, in your opinion Delph loses the ball a little bit easy? but that is because he is trying to create something, create a shooting chance or just general try something a little different. That should be encouraged and he should be playing at every chance SIDWELL should be gone in the summer !!! Summer list to go Marewood Shorey MULE  Salifou Sidwell  Carew all of these can go, Carew might stay but not sure on that. As for the rest they bring nothing to the table |
VillaDude
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... I have got a feeling we will see the end of Luke Young at VP this summer - just read his comments on why he quit England. MON played mellberg at right back for 2 seasons, and now is playing Cuellar there - I think Luke young is englands best right back - the RB position has frustrated me so much! |
Chris Harper
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... Whats the point in increasing the capacity of Villa Park if we can't even fill it now? It will ruin it being so empty. Thats my view anyways. |
Chris Harper
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... On the RB debate. L.Young should play there every single game providing he's fit. MON should rotate Cuellar/Collins/Dunne as he sees fit. Its simple. I feel sorry for Luke, he was one of the best players last season, easily. And that was mostly at LB. I wouldn't be happy if I were him. |
Andi
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... Villa_Chris - because we the god times return C/L, regular cups etc etc everyone will want to turn out on match days |
Martin Clabon
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... Christian, you started out so well on the positive vibe, beginning to slip a bit now! Sidwell hit that screamer of a goal in 1st minute against Everton, better even than Milner's long range efforts this season. Not done too much since I must admit Something's happened with Luke Young, not sure what it is but he was an untouchable last season but now slipped down pecking order, not sure why. The missed time at start of season didn't help. Damo hited (I think) that it was Luke Young who was the anonymous ex international who was mildly critical of MON but not sure if this is true or not |
VP
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... I've read this site for years but never commented before but can ask one question. Who appointed Juan Pablo Angel the Bishop of the Church of O'Neill? |
villarobin
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... The only reson people are saying its the worst Man U team for ages is because there are no Ronaldo style players in there. They have alot of players now who are'nt pretty , but similar to us work really hard and play as a solid unit. Players like Park are so under rated its untrue. Some of the runs he was making through the middle on Sunday were great. Also people like Valencia and Nani, much better than you think. Any way Im happy with our progression. My only worry is come the transfer window we wont be prepared to go that little way extra (Wages /Fees) to attract the 20 goal strikers or Modric's , Hlebs of this world. Love it or hate it We always play safe financially. |
Andi
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...Who appointed Juan Pablo Angel the Bishop of the Church of O'Neill The great reverend " HE HAS VALID POINTS AND TALKS SENSE " Maloney-herbert-lerner-ellis |
Martin Clabon
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... VP, self appointed I think but someone had to balance up what at one point was a shockingly negative consensus |
villarobin
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... ill be really annoyed as well if L Young wants to go. Oneil should rotate the centre backs I know we have the best defence at the moment, but im sure we still would have with Young in there, but be slightly better going forward. |
Andi
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...ill be really annoyed as well if L Young wants to go I wouldnt be to happy but we have no idea of where this guy is at mentally, we dont how fit he is or what he is doing in training all we know is he isnt getting picked now that has to be for a reason that would only benefit the team or MON wouldnt do it he isnt stupid. I would much rather Young than Carlos, but hte trouble is none of us no why he hasnt been picked we only assume we know but in truth none of us have a clue. Is it MON's fault ?? we dont know but on the assumption that MON works for villa and it is his job to win games etc etc you would have to assume it is not his fault. |
robb david
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... Most managers would love to have our defensive riches, im sure o-neill loves having such quality strength in depth. I just wish he would actually use the players at his disposal. He doesnt seem to have it in him to actually rotate the squad, to try and keep his best 11 at 100% for key games. This will be a serious problem next year when we are in europe again, be it europa or chumps league. |
Chris Harper
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... Was L.Y even on the bench Sunday? I know Beye was (who has some great tricks by the way). Also, regarding the Milner speculation with Man U.... did anyone notice SAF with his arm around Milner at the end of the game having a word? I said straight away to my mate... he's going to put a bid in for him in the summer. It wouldn't surprise me one bit. HANDS OFF!! Damian you were so wrong about him. |
Chris Harper
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... Taken from a Man U blog: Graham Poll has argued yesterday that the referee made the right decision, given that Gabriel Agbonlahor had his back to goal. Let’s be honest, you can look at it however you like, but if that had been our forward in their box you would want a red card. The final would have been totally ruined as a spectacle so in that respect it was sensible for Dowd to keep Vidic on, but I still think it was pretty shady. To not even show him a yellow card was mental. You have to happily take those decisions though because more often than not they go against you. We all remember how Jamie Carragher cynically brought down Michael Owen earlier this season and he wasn’t given his marching orders, so I’m not going to lose too much sleep on the Villa fans’ behalf. Sums it up perfectly. Dowd shite himself.. I quite like Aston Villa, their manager is good, I don’t have a bad word to say about their players (Dunne may get booed for his blue past but if we admit it we know he’s a good bloke), they generally play pretty good football and their American owner is by all accounts a bloody nice bloke (who forfeits a lucrative shirt sponsor deal to instead sponsor a local children’s hospice.) They’re a likeable club and there are plenty of other teams I would have enjoyed beating more. If Villa were playing any other club in the final, I would have wanted them to win. Nice to see other fans respecting us as a club. Did they before MON/Randy Lerner? No, not at all. This is the beginning of good times for us. I can't wait till Sunday now. |
VillaDude
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... Man U - 30m for James Milner? Villa - 10m bid for Defour? Villa - 20m bid for star striker? Would you be happy with that? I would at least think about it! |
keith
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... villa chris its the secod phase of the 5 year plan, first champs league place then a stadium that can be filled to capacity |
Andi
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... 30mil for milner not sure SAF will be buying at that price he has got to sell half his squad more likely the following: man u - milner villa - owen villa - carrick villa - 5million |
Chris Harper
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... I understand that about the stadium but will it still fill up? People should support the team whether they are at the bottom or in the champions league. We have become a lot better as a team over the past few years but still can't fill the stadium. Maybe its the recession, who knows. Im just not convinced we'll fill it. |
Andi
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...We have become a lot better as a team over the past few years but still can't fill the stadium This is because the recession and also the fact that some of the older fans lost faith, now a days the only time people want to see their team is when they are winning, when you start filling a ground 20-30% of the people in it are glory hunters then slowly that amount creeps up as the success of the club grows. Every team has its fair share of plastic fans no more so that Man Utd, enough went to the fa cup game but thats what cheap tickets do for ya |
VillaDude
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... Milner has to be rated around the 30m bracket... Look at Carrick and Berbatov - both 30m rated - Milner is tied into a long contract and will be renewing it in the summer... |
Andi
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...that may be saf's valuation but he can f*** off as much as we want him to if he wants him he will get him he always does, the players head will turn as barry's did and they usually get what they want. It doesnt matter what we value him at if the player wants to go then it is a moo point |
keith
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... villadude what would your opinion of mon be if he spent 30 mil on either carrick or berbatov in the summer |
Andi
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...Milner is tied into a long contract and will be renewing it in the summer... Milner is waiting till after the world cup and if he has a good world cup as did furryhands and carrick that could trigger SAF into making a bid, Milner hasnt said he is signing he has said they will discuss it after the world cup nothing is set in stone and contract mean nothing anymore, it all hinges on if MILNER wants to go or not simple as that |
John Samuels
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... Selling Milner would be a mistake. I would offload OSbourne, Salifou, Shorey and Harewood. Carew if he wants to go. With regards to signing a £20m striker, i think there is a difference between a £20m striker and a 20 goal striker. It is possible to go out and get someone who can score the goals for a modest fee. Hughes got RSC for £3.5m and Benni McCarthy for around £5m? and they both scored 20 goals in their first seasons at Blackburn. I tjust has to be the right player at the right price with the right attitude. |
keith
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... chiefy i believe saf has respect for mon and i think he would not do a fsw approach but do it through the correct channels only to be given "short shrift" by mon |
Chris Harper
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... Milner seems more level headed than Barry. Plus Barry had gone stale and wanted a new challenge. Thats not the case with Milner. Lets hope I'm right. Come on JPA, if you say it is, we know its true |
VillaDude
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... Carrick was a big mistake at the time at 30m and Spurs did really well on that one. Berbatov at spurs was a fantastic striker, but was 29 and has failed pretty badly you could call him a flop at Man U. But who cares, thats the way the market values top players that are wanted by the top 4. Milner is also young, english and can play 3 positions - if Man U was interested - 30m would be the benchmark price - if man city get involved it will increase. Look at Lescott! |
John Samuels
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... Milner seems very level headed and the difference between him and Barry is he has more than a couple of seasons left and he hasn't been at VP for eleven years. I think it likely he will get a nice new contract an pay rise and stay on. I also wouldn't be surprised if he got the captaincy next year as a condition in his contract. There will be speculation about our players, but I think they will stay if we finish sixth and trophyless. |
keith
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... jpa agree mate, we should only sell who we want to sell and keep who we want to keep |
Andi
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...chiefy I also think SAF has respect for MON but even by going through the proper channels if a players head is turned it is impossible to keep them, SAF usually gets what he wants look at Berba, Carrick, Furryhands. Milner hasnt signed a contract and wont till after the world cup by which time his stock would have increased, providing he has as expected a good world cup, then we could be fighting of more than Man Utd. There has been rumours of Liverpoool wanting him before, dare say man city might jump in arsenal and chelski if they are offering milner something we cant give him as well as a big wage packet he could go players have no loyalty to us the manager or the club |
keith
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... chiefy if done through the proper channels no one will ever know a bid has been made, this is why we never hear of who mon has bid for. |
Andi
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... This is the problem with the League and why it is repetitive year on year in my view: the good teams get better every year because they by the best players of the nearly team year after year. The nearly teams give these players a working interview if you like a season of first team and the good teams get to watch on and see how they cope. If they cope well and do a good job they come wading in with their wallets and offers of chumps leagues and trophies and walk away with the best players. The nearly teams then spend the summer trying to replace what they have lost usually taking a punt on a someone who either works and the process beings again or fails and the manager walks a tight rope all season. There should be some kind of rule to prevent teams finishing in the top 4 signing lots of players during the closed season or a rule to prevent them poaching all the great players of smaller clubs. |
Andi
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...chiefy their is always some sort of leak or something from somewhere, no one knows about MON transfers because he hasnt got a phone a bids by sending smoke signals, the rest of the premier league use mobiles and faxes and thats when someone some where finds out it always happens apart from at villa |
keith
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... chiefy there is a rule, you contact the club about the availability of a player, if the answer is no end of |
keith
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... chiefy do i detect double standards? you slated jt and rightly so but are you inferring that tapping up is acceptable |
Andi
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...Thank You from villa site nice touch |
Andi
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...you slated jt and rightly so but are you inferring that tapping up is acceptable I dont think it is acceptable but we have to except it happens, the rich get richer and will always win the rest just carry on fighting and trying to get there. It is what football has become and the evidence is the teams at the top of the league every year year after year after year |
doubledown9
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... To all the doubters, That was for the January window. In my eyes Villa work on a Summer to Summer budget. Do you not think 'the sell to buy' stuff may have more to do with MON's comments about "working within his budgets" earlier this year. I'm guessing he blew his wad in the summer and had no cash left for Jan. Generally we have spent very little under him in the Jan window, apart form Ashley Young, but that may have had more to do with the lack of a proper summer window for Martin to operate in. We are not City and so must get value for players, its all well and good throwing 20mil here and there but you may get a Lescott when you could have had a Dunne for a third of the price and if you have a 'budget' that is just suicide. Yes Lerner said THIS season (2009/10) would entail "more modest investment" but I would not be surprised if MON 'only' got 15-25 mil this summer (we are in a recession people). However, we have sold very few players since he took charge and have a promising crop of youngsters coming through, therefore some of the 'stop-gap' buys such as: Harewood, Shorey, Sidwell, Salifou, Marshall and Carew will go. Also, dare I say it; King Carlos (he is one of my favorite players and I would love to see him at CB), but if Real Madrid come in for him could we as fans moan if we got a Lescott-esque sum of money for him? Surely that would be of benefit to the club? Is this not what Spurs have done? Also some of the younger lads who don't seem to be progressing might leave such as Bannan (And before you all moan, yes I like him, but he was dropped for a breach of discipline and has not been able to force his way back into the Blackpool squad let alone the team), Osbourne and Hogg. All in all through sales I would not be surprised to see us raise 15-20 through sales + a huge chunk more If Carlos goes. If you would rather the club become a plaything for a bored Sheik then thats all well and good, but how many false dawns have we seen in the past few years? Ok it may take us longer, Ok Man City probably screwed up the 5 year plan, Ok Spurs spend more money than us, but they are richer, simple as. The club is progressing, moving forward. We are challenging for 4th, I know you want us to be challenging for 1st, but walking does in fact come before running. You will retort by saying DOL got us to 6th and that is all MON has done. However, the league has changed since DOL was in charge, the aforementioned Spurs and City and indeed ourselves and Everton have seen to that. Put simply 4 teams, of roughly equal quality, cannot fit into 2 spaces. In closing I ask you 6 questions; 1) Why were you in London at the weekend? a) Villa were in a Cup Final. OR b) You visited the Tate Modern 2) Has this opportunity been afforded to you by the club in the past 10 years? a) NO or b) Yes 3) Why are we playing Reading in a week or so? a) we are in an FA Cup Quarter OR b) The team want to go shopping at the Oracle 4) Has this opportunity been afforded to you by the club in the past 10 years? a) No OR b) Yes 5) Were Aston Villa listed within the top 20 richest clubs this year? a) No Or b) Yes 6) Have Villa achieved back to back top 6 finishes for the first time in 10 years? a) yes OR b) no If your answers were mostly 'a' then you will see the club is progressing nicely. It is all well and good getting a brief moment in the sunshine; spend a fortune get to, i don't know, how about using an FA cup final or a Champions League Semi Final as an example? You get the brief glory and then, whoops, the Club is in administration, being docked points, being sold for a pound, playing Huddersfield etc etc. Unless the club is backed by huge wealth, ie City & Chelsea, the brand must be built in conjunction with the team for it to be sustainable. Villa are going about things the right way for a club of our financial status. Unless you chaps are calling for the owner to sell up then I don't really see what your argument / grudge is. |
keith
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... chiefy you dont get away so lightly on this one, are you now saying jt is the only guilty one and if not he has been treated harshly. im sure after the way fsw came after gb you didnt think "its to be expected a bigger club wanting our better players" |
Andi
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...chiefy I was angered by FSW but yes i did think well it was always going to happen because thats the way it goes, I thought Barry had more about him than what he had as it turns out but there you go. I expect the A.young rumours to come back at the end of the season as well, the big teams pick of teams like us OK we are changing and we are making progress |
Andi
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...chiefy its not down to the club if the player moves anywhere, it is down to the players they can force their way out. They have no loyalties to anyone and if they want to move they will, no club will watch a 10, 15 or 20 million player sit in the reserves or the bench to make him see out his contract and if the player wont play the player gets sold for the highest amount but he still gets his way. It is a moo point to talk of value's for Milner or any of the players because at the end of the day if they want to leave they will and there is nothing the club can do about it without shooting it self in the foot |
john doyle
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... pableo angel i must disagree with your comments about collins if you look now at the replays and watch him he is at fault for both goals he never takes his eys off the ball the first one dunne had won the ball back collins was ball watching and never picked up his man owen and for the second goal he never looks at roony just the ball he ball watches all the time its just that dunny is so good he gets away with it please look at the replays and see for yourself we all know that young should play every week and carlos center half with dunny but collins has become one of the martin pats like the others who can never be droped no matter how shit they play look at ashley |
john doyle
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... if milner wants to go he will no one can stop him please let ashley go he aint performing 2 good games all season ait good enough for 50k a week |
sean
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... I think we need a new goalkeeper. Big brad has lost that little bit of agility he once had and that has been exposed a few times this season (should have saved the 2nd imo and arguably the 1st). I'm still pretty cut up about sunday. Being at wembley this year it's kinda like a drug and i want to get back there. At least we created an atmosphere. One day untied will capitualte (hopefully) and i'll be the first one there laughing at the arrogant f****. I just couldn't stand round an stomach them lifting another trophy in front of me. I want the FA Cup this year, more than anything else. |
Scrumpy
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... Cuellar isn't preferred at RB ahead of Luke Young because of one player being better than the other. The reason he is played ahead of Young, was very obvious to see on Sunday. We effectively play with three at the back, when Warnock pushes forward to play five in midfield, effectively allowing Downing or Ash to wander. There were times when Milner, Young and Downing were attacking down the same side and was very effective, but still means we have width across the middle and Petrov holding the centre. Collins is much better with the ball. Cuellar is better at timing those last minute interruptions. Collins better in the air (except for his one momentary lapse of concentration this season?). We have a squad, with players of different attributes. Sidwell has the experience to come on with fifteen to go and not balls things up, Delph is young and exciting enough to be given a start in the FA cup and gain experience (without the risk of a costly mistake, that in the league could, if it cost a league position, could potentially cost 30+ million - if difference between 5th and 4th). I think the Fonz is very highly rated by MON and is being managed and developed really well. We have many players who could be the future national team. It was our first trip to Wembley in 10 years but it didnt feel like it will be the last. Think where we were only three years ago, and where we are now. What's exciting is where we will be in the next three years. It was good to have a trial run, find the right routes and a decent pub to prepare in, and could be the first of a few trips this year alone... Looking forward to Charity Shield in August! ;-) If any wants to use it, I have a crime incident number from the Met Police for Sunday, as we were mugged. I reported to the police that it was a guy in black with no b*llocks, who should never be allowed to ref an important game again. Aston Villa feels like a big club again. We even are starting to get to the finals and last 16 and top positions in the league to justify thinking that we are one of the big clubs. We have great supporters, was proud to be a Villian on Sunday, we have a great history, a great owner and manager who couldnt be doing a better job, and we have a great future!! UTV!!! |
frem
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... Karl Henry has caught my eye when i have watched wolves. I think it was against man city (even though wolves lost) when i started to watch him. hes very good on the ball. Hleb is the type of player we need but hes not oneills type. He is also neary 29 so he might only have 1 or two seasons left. ozil, or ireland for me. |
Martin Clabon
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... Scrumpy is the cleverest mo fo on this whole site. Not always a bog ask but there you go |
Martin Clabon
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... We will need a new keeper pretty soon although Big Brad has been better this season than last John Doyle, got to disagree about Ash, class act and works his arse off, tackles back as well as assists and scoring, we want more of course but he is still better than Milner and Downing in my opinion |
frem
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... whats all this talk about milner leaving. we wont sell him and hes not like barry. he does not mind playing for a team like us who is building and he knows he is are key. he wont leave |
gidddyman
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... ok had a couple of days to get over the final , i think we have come a long way to be disapointed to lose to man united , we are having the best season for years and i am very proud to be a villa fan right now, will we be back at wembley soon and will lift the fa cup to finish the season on a high, |
John Samuels
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... John Doyle, I've seen the replays. Granted he should have been closer to Rooney for the second, but that's what Rooney does, he makes space for himself in the box. With Owens goal I have more sympathy for Collins, if Berba goes past Dunne which he almost certainly has Collins has to come across and make the tackle. Unfortunately no one expected Dunne to make such an amazing recovery and Owen just happened to be in the right place. It's nit picking basically. I could put together plenty of footage of Collins making last ditch tackles, blocks, and excellent defensive headers. Dunne should never have got himself tackled like that for the first goal and Valencia shouldn't have been able to get that ball in the box for the second. I could reel off loads of shoulds and coulds, but to put the blame on one player is not fair. There were eleven of them out there and Collins wasn't the only one who made a mistake. Cuellar may get another chance in the centre now, but he has made his fair share of mistakes at CB this season and last. |
john doyle
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... sid you have your veiws on ashley u cannot tell me that he is half the player he was 15 months ago and do you know why 15 months ago his wages doubled since tyhat he dont bother to take players on if you want tackeling back get another full back he is paid to fire in crosses and take on full backs his crosses are pityfull he only finds aman 1 in 9 look up the stats aint good enough if he came back to the player we all know he can be it would be great but as i said he has had 2 good games this season that i would compere to last year thats why he dont get in any england squads he aint doin it and i would expet mor from aplarer on 50k a week for that we could get some one whoturnes it in at least every other week not i in 10 |
Cian Donaghy
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... damian you slated o leary (i can only presume, i certainly did!) for diclosing our budget one summer. its absolute idiocy, tell rivals how much you have to spend. did it even occur to you that our canny manager may have been playing down how much we have to spend, claiming that we had to sell to buy, in order to avoid getting ripped off by potential sellers? its not too hard to believe, its certainly what i think thus, that would suggest that we have a chairman which is more interested in the greater good of the club rather than his opinion poll with a handful of 'fickle' fans? no need to always seek the negative... |
Martin Clabon
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... john doyle, respect your opinion but disagree - maybe not as good as 1st half of last season but has been good recently. He makes some mistakes, granted, but tries a lot of tough stuff, running at men and difficult crosses. If you pass 5 yrds square or back you are gonna have good passing stats, if you try dangerous passes and crosses which put defences in trouble your conversion rate is lower. I don't believe effort is lacking and we both agree we want the guy to be successful, goes withut saying For the record, I agree with most of what you say - just not this one |
Nathan Price
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... Nice to be linked with Hleb, lets hope he's learned how to shoot since being away. I keep hearing how we need a Modric type player but this season spurs have struggled more than anyone to break teams down who park the bus. Thats even since Modric has been back and playing well. They have the same problems as us, Lennon cant cross, Huddlestones to fat and slow, Defoe is always offside, Crouch couldnt hit a barn door. These are all things Spurs fans are saying. Im torn, because Id love us to have a "marquee player" (whatever that means) but I also think theres a lot to be said for developing the players we have, bring on the likes of Delph, delf, marc, Spending money can back fire, look at mancity. For all they have spent they still look shaky all over the pitch and have games where they are just plain awful. I guess what JPA said (I think it was him) is what were looking for, someone who just scores, it doesnt have to be a big name as long as they can finish. Id take that over a big name player any day. |
john doyle
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... sid i want the best for the team but dont you think a spell on the bench would liven ash up play fonz or chang it or the kids the problem is that no matter what he dose he knows that he will play every game if he was droped for once he might pull his scoks up and get back to what he was the same can be said for a few more who play every week thats the diffrence with martin and the top men like alex and co look at sunday even roony gets droped but they all come back stronger and thats what we all want |
tubbydunne
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... The Karl Henry rumor is interesting this is exactly the type of player we are missing from the squad a physically imposing defensive midfielder. He is over 6ft tall. I don't know if he has the quality to play for Villa and the rumor could be rubbish but we do need a midfield enforcer and I think this will be one of the first things O'Neill sorts out in the summer. Totally unrelated but why are people talking about Milner as an England captain. The boy isn't even a certainty for the world cup squad yet. O.K. he will probably make it but if everyone is fit he won't be getting much game time. But yet again we are getting carried away and pushing a players to run before he can walk. Milner still has a lot of work to do on his close control and touch before he is exposed to the Xavi's and Inestia's of this world. A short few weeks ago remember what Fabergas did when he came off the bench against us at the Emirates. Keep it real people. Say what you like about Heskey he is Villa's only likely starter in a full strength England team. |
Damian
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... Celtic_Villan do you honestly think that we have a manger trying to play mind games about his transfer budget, that he doesn't have any and would have to sell before buying before you answer, remember, they were his suggestions and he didn't buy any, but coincidentally, didn't buy any either do you think that is mind games, really? sure - mind games if he had said that and then gone out and spent £15mn on a player that all the papers thought would probably have gone for £25mn - but when he says that and then it actually comes true - it isn't mind games |
Alex Glynn
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... Not sure if Milner will want to leave this summer, I think he's probably bored of not being able to settle at a club. |
Steve Badger
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...The Council has approved planning applications, submitted by Aston Villa Football Club to expand the stadium capacity to accommodate 50,000 fans. These applications are supported by a legal agreement which will help bring about environmental and recreational improvements in the area, and transport measures which will deal with traffic problems. Although the Trinity Road Stand is now completed, the applications allow the North Stand to be extended further to increase capacity to 50,000 seats. http://web.archive.org/web/200...XPAND=1636 I believe the Holte end holds 13,500, whereas the current North stand hold just over 7,000 In which case you'd have to go some to increase our overall capacity to 60,000. |
pete
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... Damien sorry this is off subject but i would just like to thank the Villa supporters, landlord and bar staff of the Fleur Les Pub in High Wycombe for laying on free food and music for 105 Cheltenham Villa supporters. Fantastic day and night and hoping to see you all on our next Wembley trip in a few weeks time. Once again thanks p.s. hope we didnt wake up the locals on our departure. |
Cian Donaghy
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... not necessarily mind games but perhaps being a bit coy perhaps he had no intention of buying anyone this january, and although it is clear that we need a striker, perhaps he didnt feel enough quality was available or his target was unavailable but may be in the summer certainly cant harm his chances of getting value for money in the summer if it is thought that we dont have much to spend |
Nigel
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... Went down to Wembley but couldn't get a ticket  so went to Silverspoons to watch it. Whilst in there, I seen Gordon Cowans prior to the game. Some of the fans were kissing him and taking photo's. I'm sure I saw one guy stick his tongue in hs ear! Now that's taking things too far in my opinion. Sid looked very embarassed indeed. |
Nigel
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... BTW, passed Doug Ellis in his AV1 Roller on the M40. Pipped the horn, whereupon the driver waved to us. Deadly continued to read the Guardian or whatever rag it was. I considered winding down the window to ask him if he had any spare tickets, however I came to my senses as I surmised he would have charged us something like £500. I suppose a business man has few friends. |
pete
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... Could someone please let me know if what i heard sunday was right. The allocation for the FA cup final will only be this time 25,000. |
Martin Clabon
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... J Doyle, agree to some extent, would like to see a bit more resting/ rotation now our squad is bigger and I guess even Ash would benefit. But the boss makes the decisions and he don't like no rotation, no sirrreeee |
frem
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... Keithj- im sometimes positive. infact, just like most villa fans were, i was very positive after the final. |
pete
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... more supporters disapointed once again FA not thinking of the fans who spend there hard earnt money at the clubs |
frem
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... Ireland’s future at Manchester City in doubt Manchester United, Aston Villa and Valencia are monitoring Ireland’s situation and unless there is a dramatic improvement in his fortunes, he feels he could be forced to leave in the summer. i hope thats true |
david
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... A couple of thoughts on the Cuellar v Young at RB debate. 1)It's reasonable to discuss the attacking, ball control or defending merits of the two players, but to simply state that we shouldn't be playing a centre back at right back is a non argument. There are numerous examples of players succesfully changing positions during their careers and it also brings flexibility to a squad. The one thing that can safely be stated is that some players can and shouldbe tried in different positions. 2)Cuellar may not have the ball control or passing ability of Young, but he does bring an extra dimension to our set pieces as demonstrated at home against Man Utd. |
Andy Scarborough
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... r0bb0, I think most on here would agree wholeheartedly with you there. The point which perplexes me, and annoys some, is why is Young not playing? If he's not well then so be it. Physically he is fit to play, is there some other reason why he's not playing? If he needs our support we should give it. That's our job. |
david
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... andy. I am happy to see either Young or Cuellar at right back. They bring differnt things to the role but are both effective in their own ways. |
FatKevs
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... JPA Sidwell did not show that experiance you talk about at VP when he came on half header looosing the ball even MoN said he was low on confidence He is a waste of space & should be offloased with the other flops like shorey & Marlon |
John C
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... Firstly, I think that if we beat Reading this Sunday last Sunday will soon be forgotten. I would expect MON to put out the same team. I think our centre backs are better than our full backs. So what about playing 3,5,2 for most of the remaning league games as draws will not be much good in the race for fourth place. Suggest Friedel Cellular Dunne Collins A Young Sidwell Milner Petrov Downing Carew Agbonlahor Could still play 442 or 451 for away games at Chelsea or Man City |
Ammar
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... Robbo the Young V Cueller debate at right back is to me more of a debate between attack and defense. Yes we can just constantly talk about defence and how awesome it is but simple facts If you do not concede you do not loose. If you do not score you cannot win. Now which of the 2 would you prefer we should go for. We have 2 solid centre backs so to stick a similar type of player at right back who clearly lacks the following qualities . To pass . Run off the ball . Control the ball . Lack of Pace when we have 2 right backs who are more than capable of providing the above but not a strong defensively then its the price you pay. Do you think Evra, Rafael are better defenders than Cueller ? I would say no but i still think they would be picked ahead of Cueller in the Man United Squad. As far as it goes for players playing out of position yes it has worked in some cases but more times than not it does not work and is usually used as a last resort. Lets put it this way Cueller looks a different player playing at Centre back and playing at right back. And finnally Uniteds Back 4 Rafael Evans Vidic Evra Villa Back 4 Cueller Collins Dunne Warnock Defensively on paper we looked stronger yet we conceded 2 and united conceded 1, Its because they had more to offer going forward. |
Andi
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... Morning Peeps, Got a few rumours for ya nothing concrete they are only RUMOURS, the names I am hearing are: Alexander Hled - we are "top of the list" according to some Adriano - dont know about this one Mathieu Flamini - would be a great signing we shall see what happens but does this mean that PETROV may be on his way ?? I can see MILNER being given the armband as part of his new contract Nice names for us to be getting talked about with it shows our stock must be improving |
bigjimvilla
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... i just wanted to make a point about agbonlahor.The guy is asked to do too much.First 15 minutes he ripped united apart on the left wing.Then when united get possesion he is expected to go back into the centre and be our target man.He is also expected to chase down every ball on the counter attack.He is also expected to link up play.This is all well and good but we need him to have a free less restricted role.Look at rooney last few seasons.. he was expected to do the same and struggled to find his world class form.Now he has been given a free role he is flourishing.I think agbonlahor has the potential to be world class i really do , obviously not as good as rooney because he is one of a kind but he is adding so much to his game over recent seasons.For 15 minutes in a carling cup final he looked like he was going to score every time he got the ball.It frustrates me that england refuses to regonise we have great talent in the striking departments with agbonlahor and bent and cole shining. |
robb david
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... The Karl Henry rumor is interesting this is exactly the type of player we are missing Yeah forget defour, krasic, jovetic, ireland, veloso Karl Henry will push us on to that next level. He has champions league written all over him. |
robb david
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... Alexander Hled - we are "top of the list" according to some Adriano - dont know about this one Mathieu Flamini - would be a great signing For me the only realistic player their is hleb. Adriano has a poor attitude, definatly not a MON signing. Flamini is another defensive midfield player. We need creaters and goal scorerers not more dm's. Besides this would just push Delph down the pecking order, and im not sure that is what MON or the villa public want anyway. Id take a forward thinking player before that, and im sure MON will be looking at attackers rather than defenders in the summer. |
Nathan Price
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... I heard sidwell was going to finally get a club he's worthy of and go the way of Barry?!? ... Yeah Barry Island are in for him. Sorry that was awful. |
John Samuels
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... ron defour, krasic, jovetic, ireland, veloso I'm sure Henry soen't get anywhere near them on Football manager. I trust O'Neill. What was your opinion when we signed Dunne, Cuellar, Young, Milner etc? |
rocky marciano
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... well said ronrabbit.henry any better than reo coker? JPA you`d be happy if o`neill signed my nan lol |
Andi
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... Right i did point out they where rumours, Adriano not sure where this has come from but just something that is being mentioned, Flamini another defensive midfielder you say IS petrov going to last for ever ??? NO everton want him to so there could be legs in it as they usually want our targets MILNER captain next season part of contract PETROV plays less and Flamini comes in makes sense !!! Hlen well according to some we are top of the list but Citeh are also looking at him could a deal be ireland comes to us if we dont bid for hleb not sure but we will see. its only what i have heard nothing more not 100% going to happnes or nothing just what i have heard |
Andi
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... defour - really do you think we could get him ?? top teams in europe scouting him but he will choose villa because of ??? Sub Way one stop ?? Krasic -- as above Jovetic -- as above will go liverpoo Valso -- Nani singing his praises to SAF mmmmm Man Utd or Villa mmmmm Sub way one stop Ireland -- THIS COULD HAPPEN AND I HOPE IT DOES some people need to get real we cant attract the names you go on about vemaleen choose arse over us, snjeder choose madrid over us , barry choose citeh over us need i go on we cant attract them yet !!!! |
John Samuels
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...PA you`d be happy if o`neill signed my nan lol Is she any good? I just trust his judgement, that's all. At least the players he's signed have played. I remember Balaban. |
Andi
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... In JPA's defence it was carnage on here when the COLLINS story broke and look at him now, along with Dunne one of if not the signing of the season. MON knows what he is doing if he didnt he wouldnt be in the job ! |
Leroy
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... Milner is in sever need of a rest....he tries as always but has not got the same bounce in his legs. As has been the case for about four or five years, we are still in dire need for a midfield maestro. Arteta / Defour who ever. I think this type of player would help transform Gabby into a 20 goal guy. Also, what does anyone else think of Sidwell at right back? He carved us from there when he was with Reading....perhaps he has that push forward from there similar to what Warnock has....i think Sidders is better value there than his current role perhaps... |
S
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... Buying Henry would be wasting more money as he isnt better than our CM. Helb would be a good buy but im not sure where he could play unless someone leaves. |
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