Written by Damian Saturday, 19 December 2009 21:43
I am a bit late with everything today mostly because the wife booked a Christmas dinner with friends a few weeks ago, when apparently I told her that we were playing on Sunday this week. I don´t think I did but I´ll forgive her.
But, I have just seen the first hour and I have just seen Carew score and kick the corner flag into the Holte End and the result was a good one, possibly even the best of the season according to Martin O´Neill.
But, this is just a news post and a notice to vote for your man of the match. I don´t normally include subs, but as Carew came on so early for Heskey, he is in today and I fancy he might get it, or he will be in with a shout anyway.
But the statistic that I quite like is one you´ve heard me bang on about quite a bit the past couple of months and it is the passing. Today, we made more passes than we did against Sunderland, United and Hull and you know I was quite happy with the improved passing in those games.
The total number today was 294 and we only failed with 40 something and while the final result wasn´t all the goals we maybe would have wanted, it was, from what I have seen so far, a good win, in so much that Stoke might feel unlucky and they did have some chances, including a goal that maybe should have stood.
There will be a post mortem tomorrow, when I´ve watched the game again, but as it stands right now we are 4th, two points clear of Spurs and six points clear of Manchester City in 6th.
I´m quite happy, actually scrub that, I´m very happy, but I´m still not going to get carried away, just yet. However, if we can get six points from the next two, I might, you never know.
Now, time for a beer and more football.
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Mike Carter
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... I'm pleased we won, of course, but the reality is we shouldn't have. That performance was nothing to be proud of, and Stoke had what looked like a seemingly legit goal ruled out, and carved out a lot more clear cut opportunities that we did. That win came right out of the catalogue of wins from last season - the collection of "lucky" and "dodgy" wins. For large parts of the game we were outplayed. Now I'm left wondering which was the fluke - today's fortunate escape or the great results from last week? We'll find out soon, because if we play like that at the Emirates we'll get beaten. Onto the players, Cuellar and Dunne played well again today, but sadly the fullbacks weren't quite up to their usual standard. Luke Young in particular had a poor game. Milner and Petrov did well but Downing was poor. Ashley Young - it's hard to criticise a guy who occassionaly puts in a cross that leads to a winning goal, but take away those moments and he's doing absolutely bugger all at the moment. I'm this close to starting a campaign to get him rested, he needs it. Overall, we should be pleased to have taken 3 points. Very pleased, because we didn't really deserve them. |
PAUL WARREN
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... Not a great performance, but a win's a win! Delighted that we are now only 2pts behind manure. We will have to play better against the arse, although we usually do  |
frem
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... great win. tuncay, keane or forlan is apparently on MON list for january. my inside man said we want a striker in january. would not mind any one of them three. tuncay played very well today and keane is who organized the spurs party in Dublin that harry did not want. |
PAUL WARREN
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... viva - i'd join the rest webcam campaign, even if it's just for a game to give him a kick up the backside. He's just not consistantly producing the goods this year. |
heskeyshead
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... I was at the game today in the Holte end! atmosphere was pretty decent, the second half didn't start well and a few fans were getting restless because we were passing backwards and hitting it long, to be fair to Stoke they were well organised! we shouldve been 1-0 up in tht 10 minute period inthe first half where we dominated them! I thought we looked pretty lethargic and Stoke looked very energetic! downing did some great work on the left for the goal pinging a great cross field diagonal pass to young for the cross! good delivery as well from young! it wasn't a classic game but given the circumstances it was a great result and that's 4 clean sheets in a row! |
marty
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... vivavilla nice logic about ash young.... take away those moments? what the hell does that mean? I dont understand...... webcam creates goals and tracks back like crazy......what more do you want? plus he gets a lot of throw ins off defenders which helps us push up as a unit |
oliver
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... went to the game today and i am a stoke fan. i thought that stoke totally deserved something from the game today and would have without a shocking referee performance! nothing wrong with our goal and i feel that the villa fans were poor for the majority of the game. i like villa and wish them best of luck for the seaon! GO ON STOKE! |
Steve Oldaker
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... cuellar star man for me, lots of under performers today but warnock was particularly poor he also does this annoying thing of going to kick the ball with his left foot when quite clearly he should kick it with his right foot. the amount of money there paid they should be able to use both feet should'nt they ? |
Chris Platt
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... You just have to be pleased. One week, 3 games, three wins, no goals conceded. Beforehand 3 very tricky games on paper. A tough one at OT, a tricky one at Sunderland, then a potential banana skin at home against Stoke. Last year I think we may not have come away with the three points today. Didn't see the game cos the stream kept going down, but by all accounts a battling win. Today's game is the type we have to win if we aspire for Champions League football next season. There will be games when you have to battle for a 1-0 win and today was one of those days. Well done the lads, rest up for 2 huge games coming up If you want a little humour for a Saturday evening a week before Christmas,click on the link to watch the video. Poor Randy, at least he's loved in Brum. Shame the makers of the video didn't read the memo about Barry not playing for us anymore Cleveland's Salute to Randy Lerner, Enjoy!! http://www.clevescene.com/64-a...ndy-lerner |
Mike Carter
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... martygra808 To take away means to remove, and "those moments" mean the 1 cross out of every 20 that leads to a goal. Look, at least whenever Milner isn't creating/scoring goals he's actually helping out elsewhere on the pitch. He can pass and move like a footballer. Whenever Young has the ball he generally does absolutely jack with it. He tracks back, yes so what, so do 90% of all wingers in the league as part of their duties. My concern with Young is that he's not learning from his mistakes. Last season he ran riot and skipped past defenders for fun. For whatever reason he isn't doing that anymore, but he hasn't adapted his game to work around it. The result? Losing possession. And then there's the crossing. I've lost count of how many he's put straight into the hands of the keeper. Young is not playing well. 1 assist does not equal good performance. So what if e comes up with these assists every so often, it's not enough. Everybody else in the team is contributing far more and Young needs to buck his ideas up. |
heskeyshead
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... Oliver I was right in front of the goal and we didn't even flinch when you scored, he had his hands extended and was a clear push to get the height advantage. for all of stokes persistance they never had one shot on goal! gabby shouldve buried the goal in the first half! Carew had a great chance, sidwell shouldve wrapped it up! we never got out of 2nd gear today which was understandable, 3 games - 7 days! yet we still won and kept a clean sheet! no one can be unhappy! |
Rattus NorVillicus
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... May we be truly thankfull for the plentifull bounty that the Lord has seen fit to bestow upon us this day. UTV ! ! |
Jake Gardner
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... to be of a top 4 pedigree you need to be able to be on a bad day like we were today and still come away with 3 points. well done villa UTV! WAHBS! |
marty
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... vivavilla everyone else is contributing more? what games do you watch? young has 3 goals this season and without him we would have never scored today or at OT....thats 6 points he created for us..... plus the corners are pretty damn good and makes teams worry when we have corner kicks...... you are just hating on webcam.....btw who would you put in for him? |
marty
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... btw i understand what to take away means you knob.... it you take away premise A and premise B..... of course your conclusion will be webcam is shit..... go take a basic philosophy class you tw*t btw nice logic once again |
Rattus NorVillicus
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... I saw Tony Morley interviewed on the official site recently (members only), and he said that playing on the wing is really hard because fans expect you to be brilliant all the time. He went on to say that you could only be brilliant every once in a while, but if you were, it usually resulted in a goal. Maybe we should view Ashley in the light of those words. |
Mike Carter
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... Whatever. I've put my point across and you disagree, only I didn't need to be offensive to articulate myself. |
Rattus NorVillicus
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...vivavilla said: Better to articulate your ideas mate Articulating yourself can get a bit messy. |
heskeyshead
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... vivavilla if young wasn't in the team then we wouldn't have half the points this year! they are all working for the team! young is contantly doubled marked now after an amazing season, he jut has to find that extra trick to his game to make him world class! even though he still gets marked out of games he come up with vital crosses and goals! |
Mike Carter
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... Pancho Fair point, but we see glimpses of what Young can do very well. Last season he used to cut inside and create opportunities from the middle, he doesn't seem to do that anymore. There's no reason why he shouldn't be able to do the things he did previously - he hasn't lost any ability so why has he dropped off so dramatically? |
marty
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... your point is crazy! how could anyone live up to your expectations?! you take away all the good young has contributed by saying "remove" and then ask the question what has he done? please dont talk down to me when your argument is so full of logical fallacies that my 100 philosophy teacher would be having a heart attack...... btw you didnt answer my question....who would you put in for young and when they do get the assist will you "remove it"? |
Rattus NorVillicus
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... OK, let's cut the philosophy. It's over my head vivavilla: Do you think Young has lost confidence ? Is being mis-managed ? Was not that good to start with ? What ? |
Mike Carter
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... My point is we're left waiting around for matches at a time, sometimes, in hope Young will eventually provide that killer cross. In between, he contributes very little. Whereas someone like Milner or Petrov are constantly contributing to the team with clever passes and important tackles. They are players with a lot to offer. Young only offers something every now and then (entire games have gone by where he's done nothing). I'm not saying drop him, I'm just saying rest him. Bring Albrighton in and give him a chance. Young has been playing for so long now a break might just do him good. |
Rattus NorVillicus
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... OK, So you think he needs a kick up the arse - maybe so. That's cleared that up then without recourse to Witgenstein, Neitch, or Aristotle. In fact I feel a song coming on......... "Immanuel Kant was a real pissant Who was very rarely stable. Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar Who could think you under the table. David Hume could out-consume Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel, And Wittgenstein was a beery swine Who was just as schloshed as Schlegel." UTV ! ! |
marty
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... when do we give young a rest? arsenal game is out of the question.... liverpool game is out of the question.... then we have the two games against blackburn.......yeah one is for the FA cup but do we really want to put a weaken team against them before the carling cup? |
kiddervilla the real me
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... i dont believe what im reading on here we have had 3 hard games in 7 days took 9 points in a week last season we proberbly would have taken 2 and that would of looked good considering 2 away games keeped 3 clean sheets , i dont surpose they felt a bit tired but still managed a win, and still the knifes are out, well all i am giong to say is that i am proud of every one of them asley young as well the lad played is part and some of you want to take a good look at your selves , god bless the villa |
marty
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... we could go second with man united having injuries and the one footed valencia! wonder how chelsea will do with the african cup of nations!!!!!! villa just need 1 striker and probably a defensive midfielder....(someone said try collins as a defensive midfielder which is a great idea) we have the best depth in defense... beye/others can play the part for suspensions and injuires guzan is a top back up keeper we can do it! |
Steve Badger
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... Great win and I agree with MON, in that this could well be the best win of the season up to now. 3 games in a week and this was one we could easily have lost, imo. The fact that we didn't, makes it seem like we're getting the "something" that seperates the top notch from the rest. Viva, I totally understand what you're saying about ash and I agree to a large extent. But he did the bizz for the goal. I've said before, he can be shit all game for me, but as long as he supplies the cross for the goal, he's undroppable, imo. Even though a big part of me wants him "rested" for that kick up the arse. Sid, Melted welly face is being charged for fraud or tax evasion or something. I don't know the details, but he's insistent he'll get off. I so hope he gets done, after his protestations. There must be some sort of case if HMRC are still after him after all the bad press re raiding his house. Hopefully we'll see how good his management skills are when he in the scrubs Oh, back to the game. I thought Stoke played bloody well. |
Andyb
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... I thought we played fantastic the first 20minutes or sountil Heskey got injured. The long delay seemed to change the momentum of the game and Carew lost possesion the first 5 or so times he touched the ball, and what we had was lost. We struggled to get any rythm after that but defended excellently again, if you keep a clean sheet then it just takes one goodpiece ofplay to get the goaland the win, that can't be called lucky. L. Young's no look tackle on Tuncay was immense and won us the game in the end. |
James
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... Young is a vital element in the Villa fear factor. Every time he whips in a ball like that one for Carew, opposition managers and defenders start drawing up more and elaborate plans to try to stop him. The more they scheme to stop Ash, the more space and opportunities are created for Petrov, Milner and the rest. I can't believe that now 'The Heskey-what does he do? debate' has gone a little quiet we're finding another player to question. |
Mike Carter
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...Every time he whips in a ball like that one for Carew, opposition managers and defenders start drawing up more and elaborate plans to try to stop him. Well to be fair to the opposition nan, it's working. 07/08 assists - 17 08/09 assists - 9 09/10 assists - 4 (so far) |
rackface
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... What a collection of feral animals those Stoke fans are. I think our fans were as quiet as they have been all season. Why was that? Strange. We were poor today. I can't think of a player who was particularly good. Maybe only Dunne who is perhaps the signing of the season in this season's premiership. It is fabulous that we were shit and yet won. And that the scousers continue to f**k up. Don't forget to buy the Rage Against The Machine single and stop those w****rs on X-Factor from being Xmas no 1. |
Chris Platt
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... viva are you on a one man crusade against Ash. Yes he's not produced what we all know he can, but he still remains a threat. My link kept going down, so didn't get to watch this morning. It's on TV now, first half just finished. he did whip in som good crosses during the half. His foul outside the box right before HT was stupid, petulant even |
Dave J
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... Viva - so if ash hadn't played at all this season do you still think we would be top 4? Bear in mind downing has only been fit for a few weeks? He hasn't hit the form of last season but he gets more attention off the opposition now which by definition leaves space for others. Remind me who gave the final ball for the goals against united and Stoke ? |
Mike Carter
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... He still is a threat even when off-form, I don't deny that. I guess my expectations are just very high after seeing what he CAN do when he's at his best. I feel we're at a stage now where almost every player is playing at pretty much peak form. I don't want us to waste this opportunity... again. |
Chris Platt
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... Just studying the prem table. The two lowest scoring teams at home are Blues & Wolves. Blues have scored 8 & Wolves have only scored 7 |
Alex Glynn
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... There's no doubt that Ash can do incredible things with that ball, I guess some people just feel he's not quite living up to his potential at the moment, compared with Milner, Dunne, Petrov etc who are not only giving each game 125% [not that CBs can afford not to with another 25 incredible ones waiting in the wings] and they're really performing and we can count on them to do the right thing, but there are some times when ash gets the ball and we all think "Ooh, is he going to do something good with it or scuff it". I still love the lad and think he's brilliant, though I agree that he could be more consistent. Would dropping him help? God knows, but after four clean sheets, I say we shouldn't risk it for two of the season's biggest games so far. |
Chris Platt
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... Everyone wants him to go out every game and rip defenses apart. Truth of the matter is its not going to happen. Hell, Ronaldo doesn't even do it game in game out. He has off days, more on than off I must admit, but even he doesn't do it every game viva I don't post too much, but read this blog every day. I've always thought you were one of the most sensible and fair people on here, but I think your maybe a little OTT on this one. But I do agree with you having seen what he can do, you want it every day. Expectations are now high, maybe too high. Baring some extreme injuries I don't think we'll waste this opportunity |
Steve Badger
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...Young is a vital element in the Villa fear factor. Every time he whips in a ball like that one for Carew, opposition managers and defenders start drawing up more and elaborate plans to try to stop him. The more they scheme to stop Ash, the more space and opportunities are created for Petrov, Milner and the rest. I agree with this. I can't believe that now 'The Heskey-what does he do? debate' has gone a little quiet we're finding another player to question. It's gone quiet, but it's not finished by a long chalk. He isn't the answer for us, imo, as he still does little, for me. As for his glass ankles, I won't repeat myself, I've done that loads already. What's that saying? Oh yes, "they shoot horses, don't they?". |
Steve Badger
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... There's also a very valid point that says when you can't criticise anyone, you've reached perfection. That will never happen for any side, anywhere  |
Oli
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... i thought it was a great win today. we have taken 3 wins from 3 in the space of a week and still there are fans complaining. i just don' get it. we beat stoke today and it was a decent performance, what more were some of you expecting, maybe 3 or 4-0. the fact of the matter is, stoke played very defensively and had the midfield packed, chasing down every ball, so they made it hard for us. but we still battled on and came away with the win, which was a great result and much needed seeing as other teams had slipped up. also regarding ashley young, i cant believe vivavilla is saying we should drop him. if it wasent for his crossing we wouldnt have got the goals againast man utd and stoke today, and both would of probbaly ended in draws. so what exactly is your logic for dropping him. yes, he isnt palying as well as he once was, but hes still producing the crosses that are winning us games, and the team as a whole keeps winning. |
Steve Badger
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...and still there are fans complaining Who's complaining? No one to my mind. It's analysis. |
Steve Badger
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... I know I'm going on a bit about this Citeh thing but, I pulled this from this morning's Stun online site; But the club's Abu Dhabi owners have not seen the return on their investment they were expecting. Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho...z0aBZOHkOd Sound familiar? Disgusting treatment of Hughes. Turns out some of the players had a right rant at the top nobs. |
Rios.Jockstrap
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... I was more impressed with todays win than the ones at both Sunderland and manure. Have i lost my marbles i hear you say... Well not really. You see, last season we would have either lost or drew the game. We had to dig out the result, and for me thats a sign of the progress we are making. Its easy playing teams like Manure and Sunderland cos they like to play. Stoke are a different kettle of fish who get under your skin. If you dont match them, you lose. So another sign of our improvement and a testament to our work rate. And you know what? Its work rate that wins you things. Im happy. BTW Looking for two Arsenal and Liverpool tickets. Contact me at agrotis@btinternet.com Will only pay the proper price for them, not any extra. |
George Templeton
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... How do you know your team are becoming a top four side. When you see that team get a rubbish decision in their favor, play poorly and win the match. It may not always be pretty but Villa's defenders do the job. I think vivavilla makes an interesting point. The continuity of the starting lineup is important but at some point (like next week) MON will need to rotate some people. As good as Ashley is he might ned that rest as much as Gabby or anyone else. This is a higher quality squad then before I hope MON uses it! |
Martin Clabon
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... Viva, I think you are being a bit harsh on Ash. He is not at his best but he is contributing a lot, his defensive work has been superb this year and I think your stats are out of date, 6 assists in the league now I believe I also don't think we were as bad as people are making out yesterday, watched the match back again last night to make sure I was not being too claret and blue eyed and we battered them for most of the 1st half. We let them get in it too much in 2nd half which is a typical Villa fault at the moment but they were hardly looking like scoring too often. I must say I thought the disallowed goal was an obvious foul on Warnock, might have been an offside in build up as well. After such a tough week, to come out of this with any type of win was tremendous. Hard games coming up but I am well happy |
fatkevs
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... All we need Ash to do is get on with his game instead of always looking for help from the Ref I am more concerned about Gabbys lack of pace, he will always miss sitters like today so his bulking up adds less to his game in my opinion he is not a poacher so i hope Mon burns off those muscles on the training ground |
Tom
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... Ash gets marked a lot more now....even double teamed at times. It creates space for others though. But he is still one of our most important players. Keane & Gago in January please |
Daniel Wilson
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... Mon has been quoted by the Daily Star (yes the daily star, but actual quotes) as saying we most probably won't see anyone coming in in Jan - http://www.dailystar.co.uk/foo...n-O-Neill/ To be honest, i'm not that bothered. We have the depth this year to sustain our challenge. Other than 1 striker to play alongside Gabby and keep him on his toes in the form of Robbie Keane I don't want to see any more signings that could disrupt us and throw us off course. |
BillyBoy7
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... Someone said Luke Young was shit? Did u see the game? He was immense at the back! Warnock had a terrible game, which goes to show how hard Ashley worked today, as they all did. I sit in family stand opposite away fans, they were great, i didn't hear the Holte today, strange, i guess we're saving ourselves for 'Pool. Anyway, 4 in 4, no goals conceded, brilliant. Merry Christmas |
robb david
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... we only need 1 player in january, someone to partner gabby, hesky and carew are doing a job for us, but it is clear they are not the answer, and if we are honest who ever you pick it is the weak link in our side. I think we have the depth to take a chance on a foriegn player, if he doesnt come off we still have the hesk and carew to fill in. I would like to see krasic or jovetic, although they are not very MON signings. Maybe Mancini will hate tevez and sell him to us on the cheap, he would be the perfect player their. Also i dont see how anyone can be anything other than posative about yesturdays performance, stoke played well, they bombed our box with long range missles, our defences held up pretty well, there are not many defences that wouldnt struggle against a long range bomb up to sidibie. remember that is how we played for years, up to about 4 games ago, and we used to do pretty well. We got the result, 4 in a row in the league, 6 points above man city, 8 points above liverpool, 2 above tottenham, level with arsenal, and 2 behind man utd. The simple facts are their is a break away top 5, much like last year where it was us, arsenal, liverpool, chelsae, man u. This year it is us, tottenham, arsenal, chelsea, man u. If we can finish above any one of these teams we will be playing champions league football next year. I think at the moment we look like the thrid best team there, man u will come back strong and we will look like the 4th best team in the league, as long as we stay strong, 4 points from the liverpool and arsenal games and we will be sitting very pretty, it would be a brave man to bet agaisnt us getting 4 points or more, we are in a very very good position, playing very very good football. |
BillyBoy7
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... oh, and i think we miss Heskey, he drops deep and brings a defender out and creates space for Gabby. Carew just dont do this as well, i agree we need a better player than Heskey, if Tuncay swapped sides today we'd have won 3 or 4, |
Car Frost
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... Martin O'Neill has warned Aston Villa fans there will NO new signings during the January transfer window. Having spent £40million last summer the Villa boss concedes there is no money left to boost the club’s bid to break into the top four. “At this minute I wouldn’t see us being active in bringing players in over January,” said O’Neill. “Things change – but as we speak I don’t think we’ll be bringing people in unless somebody has left the club. “I know it is only round the corner, and January is a long month but I have not had any discussions with the owner about what we might do. |
Hoefkens
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... Just a thought about the 'rest Ashley Young' thing, but has anyone thought of playing Delph on the wing? I believe its where he used to play for Leeds. Haven't seen too much of him, but i think he's reasonably nippy and he's stronger than Ash. Even if we just played him for 20 mins at the end next time we're 2-0 up just to see how he does. Im still concerned that Martin isn't going to rotate come the new year and we'll see the predictable decline in Feb. Incidently, wtf was Sidwell doing on the pitch? Of all the people to sub Downing for. |
Hoefkens
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... Incidently, agree with Billyboy's point about Tuncay, he'd have been a quality signing. I think we were even linked with him for a while in summer. |
beh
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... We looked jaded but we won. I think there`s a lot more to come from Downing,and hopefully over xmas period. This should make make life easier for ash. |
Alex Glynn
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... Hoef, MON doesn't feel that Delph is ready yet, and whilst I don't agree with many things that he says, I have learnt to trust him, he knows his stuff. |
david
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... Viva, I'd have agreed with you about Ash a few weeks ago but he's been improving, and yesterday was one of our better players. The only player who was really off form yesterday was Warnock, but after his other performances he's allowed one off day. Credit to the Stoke fans..the best we've had at Villa park for a while in my book |
david
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... Damian, you may like us to make more passes but you'll need to educate quite a few of the Villa Park faithful. As someone else pointed out, there were plenty of frustrated groans in the ground whenever the ball went backwards. |
John Samuels
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... four games, four wins, four clean sheets and this was the most inportant because we didn't play as well as we could have. Isn't the sign of a championship winning side winning without playing well? We might find ourselves in a title race if we keep this form going. |
John Samuels
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... Oh yeah and these players just played a gane every 72 hours for the last week. Of course they were tired after the running they've done this week and we still won! Expect them to be a little fresher at the Emirates. |
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