Thursday, 26 August 2010 21:38
I've had three beers watching the football and I am a little annoyed at some of the comments I have seen here on this site, as well as others and on Twitter and I'm going to tell you why.
Martin O'Neill quit the club five days before the season started, which most have to accept, was a bit of a shock. Kevin MacDonald was asked to stand in and he did. He hasn't asked for the job and in his defence, he has acted professionally at all times and has never said that he actually wants the job full time either.
So, can we please, for my sanity, but also because actually this is how we are supposed to act, not start slagging him off or saying he should be sacked, but show the man a little respect, for standing where many wouldn't and most can't and doing the best he can.
I for one would like to say thank you to Kevin MacDonald and I'd also like it on record that I don't think he is doing that bad a job. Sure, the last two results have been horrible, but he is getting asked to do a job, at very short notice, with the tools of another man and I know you shouldn't blame the tools, but the way Kevin MacDonald likes to play his football is very different to the kick and rush of O'Neill.
If you want to vent your anger at someone, vent it at Randy Lerner, if he doesn't appoint a capable manager and/or doesn't provide the necessary funds to bring in the quality player or two that we so desperately need. But again, wait until the new manager is in or September 1st comes around and the players are not in. He deserves a chance like the next man.
Aston Villa lose to The Dogs from Vienna
This is just a news post so more on this tomorrow, but we lost 2-3 on the night and 3-4 on aggregate and while I'm as unhappy as the next man, I'm not really surprised. In fact, I had a fiver on us to win the first half and Rapid to win after ninety minutes and the odds at 80/1 mean that while I'm not happy with the result, I'm happy that my beer is for free for the next few weeks.
It was always going to be tough, always and you can blame all the players you want, I'm just going to reflect on it for a while with my last beer for the night.
I will say this; Randy Lerner will have to be a brave man to offer the job to Kevin MacDonald now and if he did, it would show tremendous faith in him, something that I have to be honest, I am losing, but please, lets show the man a bit of respect and support him in what is, I have absolutely no doubt about, a bloody hard job.
Beer notice
I don't mean to offend and I very rarely try to tell people how to act, but with regard to Kevin MacDonald, I think it has to be said. I don't mean to offend anyone and if I have, for whatever reason, I apologise.
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steve in Ireland
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... Km starting line up wtong Substitutions wrong Players playing out of position wrong I'm getting a sinking feeling RL get someone in now, half the blokes on this blog could pick a side better than KM even though he is better than MON. This clubs in crisis thanks alot MON hope you feel good |
Elmo Grub
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... Damo, I don't agree with everything you say by a long shot. But people really, don't blame KMac it's really not his fault he's in the position he is. |
jamesp59
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... Everyone must remember that MON lost to this same team last year. I don't recall anyone calling for him to be sacked. Lets stop whining and get behind the lads and the club. |
VillaTX
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... sad loss, sad for Kmac beacuse you really cant see him being our manager now. we need better, and fast |
Magic Nick
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... Excellent post. A caretaker manager can be abstained criticism. He is leading because he has to, not because he wants to. |
George Templeton
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... Bitterly disappointing to be out of Europe before Fall again. Really hope Lerner has an idea who the manager should, because I am afraid it can't be Kevin MacDonald. I would hope he stays as the reserves coach if he doesn't keep the manager role. |
.vogra
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... Well Damien, as soon as Vienna scored to make it 1-1 i knew we'de caputulate...straight on PaddyPower, £30 on Vienna to win the tie at 13/8..we are so predictable, no backbone,no leader on the pitch...this team is pathetic. |
Snapster
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... Also when Gabby got injured we should of played 4-2-3-1 Guzan Cuellar Collins Davies Beye NRC Stan Young Superman Albrighton Heskey Would of made more sense tbh |
Kakaboo
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... I agree that MacDonald should have his share of respect for taking the caretaker role, but he it seems that he didnt learn much from the Newcastle game. Any sensible person would switch Reo-Coker and Ireland - it just makes sense! |
steve in Ireland
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... MON lost to this lot coz he didn't try to win the tie last year This year I think we tried to win but couldn't Sven or somebody where are you? |
corleone
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... No we can't have a little respect. That peformance didn't show us, the fans, any respect so why should we bow down and salute the efforts of the people we pay. How come your being so positive when it's all going tits up? You weren't this positive last season when we were at Wembley twice and competing for the top 4. This year we could realistically be competing with the bottom four, just to survive, after these last two shocking peformances unless a new man is put in place soon. You knock that 'kick and rush' football but it served us well over the last few years didn't it. |
limerick villain
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... I dont blame kmac i blame every1 of those w****rs out there that thought oh look wer the villa we went ahead now lie down we deserve to win disgrace |
VillaDude
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... So many mistakes by Kev Mac tonight The sooner Young is moved back to the wing the better, but that will only happy with a new manager. Sorry KEV MAC OUT. We are too big to experiment with a reserve team coach, with no experience who doesnt even want the job. Play players in their right position, is it too much to ask?! |
william mcgonagall
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...I for one would like to say thank you to Kevin MacDonald My sentiments exactly |
Altan
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... What an absolute joke we are , how can we throw it away so easily? We should have been aware of the dangers of them on the break . I'm so pissed off right now ...aahhhhhh ! |
vivavilla
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... The funny thing is, that was a pretty typical Villa performance. Aside from the attrocious defending of course. Rapid had 3 goal worthy chances and took them all. On reflect Rapid will look back on this game with one enourmous grin. They set out with a gameplan to play sensible football and take their chances. They would probably have put contingency plans in place had they needed to go for it, but as it turns out they never needed to adjust their original plan one bit. Stupid mistakes from Beye and Davies and piss poor marking cost us the first two goals, while the third was a mere sucker punch, taking advantage of us being out of shape. Someone mentioned it in the match thread, Stephen Ireland is a poor option defensively. In a 4-man midfield, this is absolutely crucial. It leaves us light at the back when the opposition break. Premiership teams will take advantage of that time and time again. Solution? Beef up the midfield! (Unfortunately it also highlighted just how much we missed Milner. That man could pretty much do it all). Finally, I moan about it a lot, but the crowd at VP just don't do enough to get the team going. I watched Spurs last night and hoped we could emulate them tonight, really ripping into the opposition and not letting them get any rest. The key difference (beside less talented players  ) is that the crowd at White Hart Lane never stopped willing the players on. It really does act as a 12th player on the pitch. Villa fans must have outnumbered the Austrians by 20 to 1? Yet they made more noise than us. So, in summary: * Beye, Davies, you're excused. You're not good enough for our football club. * Come on Kevin, we all knew Cuellar wasn't a right back when Martin was here and lord knows he took enough grief for it * Play Albrighton more * Play Heskey less (less than zero please) Oh, and Ashley... stop acting like a little girl. |
Magic Nick
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... It is worth remembering that no coaching team have been appointed. Kevin is operating by himself. Personally, I feel this situation should be resolved immediately. Perhaps, with the resources spread less thinly, Kevin could concentrate on organising the team, and we wouldn't suffer these teams. This problem is relatively easy to rectify, there are a number of people who are willing to step onto the training ground to help in the short term. |
Gaz Kendo
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... As with Capello the basics are and correct me If I am wrong don't play players out of position...........simples! I am like most I think and say we need someone in possibly before Everton. That transfer window is going to close very quickly and do players look at Villa as a viable move now we are out of Europe, Again!! |
Adamski
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... I just want to cry. How a week can change a club. I'll hold onto the faith untill sep 1st to see if another week can change it again.....but I doubt it. |
Aero-4-Villa
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... If we played our normal back four (with the exception of an injured Richard Dunne), this game would never have been a problem! Cuellar--Collins-Clarke--Warnock Beye is s**tE! |
limerick villain
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... Wel get over you MON and wen we do il laugh in your face u spineless f**k in mon i trusted |
stockyvillan
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... im not one for slagging players... but if beye wears that beautiful shirt again i think i'll be giving up for sure. M A S S I V E game sunday  |
Damian
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... John C plenty. in fact, i challenge you to link to something on this site where you can say i've not shown him respect - in context saying i don't think he can take us any further or that his football isn't going to get us further and suggesting it is retro football or kick and rush or one dimensional is not disrespectful |
VillaDude
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... It seems everyone else is on the same wave length regarding formation and playing players in their natural position. Why do we always find a manager who doesn't?! |
bradz
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... Damian what are you on about mate !! Ok fair enough it isnt his fault but XXXX me do we really have to give him an UEFA cup knock out game to see if he is the right guy...surely 6-0 away to Newcastle was enough evidence...several cons now, firstly no UEFA football for us on ITV, several players that may have been interested in us may well not be anymore. Im sorry mate but you have got it wrong...Kevin McDonald what a pxxx for thinking you can manage the Villa why don't you go manage on Championship manager, and Randy Lerner is partly to blame too...tonight we really have taken four steps backward...and all this I feel sad for K-Mac cxxx...please do me a favour !!! Absolutely primitive tactics which epitomize British footballing mentality...clueless !! |
Kakaboo
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... MON (rightfully) got a lot of stick for playing his squad out of position, but I have never seen so many players out of their natural position during a game before. It was almost comical. Manager 101 - play the squad in their natural position |
steve in Ireland
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... I fear the worst at the moment off to the pub to see if some Guiness and Jamesons will make it better. Only trouble is hangover in morning will make it seem even worse At least over here I don't have ant Blue noses to rub it in RL your in charge do SOMETHING |
Altan
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... Is it just me or does Ashley Young run around with the attitude that were lucky to have him , so he can do what he likes even if it's a load of s**te! |
corleone
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... Yes Martin took a battering when we lost by 6 goals away from home and he did loose at home to Rapid, we know that. However, he didn't do it in the same fukin week! |
Trezzy
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... im really worried for the season ahead, i mean., that is 9 goals in 2 matches we cant continue to defend that way? why the hell has delfouneso only had 20 minutes out of the 3 games he has taken charge? i think some people are forgetting that kmac isnt a stranger to these players, he has taken them 4 training and has manageed them in the reserves. |
.vogra
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... I hope we look back in 3-4months time and think this is a blessing in disguise we got knocked out tonight. If you have to play Habib Beye you play him Right back...end off, you play Cuellar and Davies in the centre and i'm not accepting resting Warnock, he should have played..end of story. |
steve in Ireland
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... MON gone Milner gone Get over it Villa and get some B*lls coz if you don't we are doomed. Can't wait to hear what Stan has to say now after his comments after Newcastle game Defineately off to pub now |
seanbeag
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... I feel completely numb after this result. Not quite sure how we managed to lose this one after being 1 up and 2 1 up Heskey even scored. It's going to be a long season. That said I'll continue to support the club UTV |
bradz
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... I know what you mean Damian, I know you mentioned it a few months back...but really is Randy Lerner the american Doug Ellis ??? |
Genital Grinder II
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... Agree that Kev Mac should not get the blame, that should go to Beye and Davies for giving away their first 2 goals. What in the f**k were they thinking??! But on the whole, 3 stupid goals aside, I thought we weren't as bad as some people are making out, at least the football in the mid and final 3rd is better. New manager, sort out the defence and stop this ridiculous talk of being relegation candidates for f**k sake, we don't half over-react do we??? |
Cyprus-Toon
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... Well what can I say, not a lot just  Isn't karma great, you all laughed at us when our club was suffering under our owner & joked about us having Ant & Dec as our next messiah but it's not so funny when the boots on the other foot is it  Well you'd just better hope that Lerner doesn't decide to get someone like JFK in or Keano or even Souness to run your club, even worse, he may well decide to sell up & not get anyone on, then you maybe just were we were last year, except its now called the nPower leadue... |
Elmo Grub
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... 'Kevin McDonald what a pxxx for thinking you can manage the Villa' I don't think he ever did. That's rather the point. |
ak_27
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...* Beye, Davies, you're excused. You're not good enough for our football club. Could not agree more vivavilla. The full back situation has been a f**king joke at this club for far too long now.  And if people still can't see the damage of not having a RB playing in RB and LB playing at LB on their favoured foot then i give up. Beye coming onto the ball with his left lead to 2 goals tonight. I thought Kmac made some silly mistakes tactically 2nit afte Gabby got injured. Would have kept 2 up top with Delfouneso coming on. We lost our shape, we lost our dominance and confidence and as a result we lost the tie. |
mcdanger
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... Maybe its a blessing in disguise,finding out now that KmcD is not up to the job rather than 6 months time fighting to stay in the prem.I also belive who ever takes over will struggle as we are s**t |
VillaDude
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... Yes we make defensive mistakes but its our midfield where we get overun as usual! Nothing changes at villa. Different manager, but even more of the same mistakes... |
vivavilla
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... Also on the plus side, staying out of Europe might be our only chance of achieving a decent league position this season. |
Trezzy
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... and by the way you can say its not kmac fault and its randys fault but one thing is for sure!! kmac picked beye at left back, reo in right mid and davis at the back, no one else lads. one thing i was always taught, never change your keeper and defence!!! but, i still love villa |
villarobin
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... Im sorry but i agree with Damian, tonight had nothing to do with KM. We have injurys in defence and it was up to Beye and Davies to step up. I dont know how many times on ITV 4 they mentioned 'Oh thats a bad mistake from Davies' or 'Why didnt Davies just clear the ball there'. Davies and Beye to a lesser extent were terrible. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MANAGER. Also what is Petrov doing with a 1 step penalty run up , like he is Messi or somethng, JUST SMASH THE THING AS HARD AS YOU CAN. Its a shame because we looked v good at times , and players like Heskey / Allbrighton and Young looked really up for it. Ireland also made some lovely runs and passes, but we have got to sort the defensive cover out and the defensive midfield. Again though there isnt much KM can do about that at the moment. SLOPPY.. |
stuper
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... Damian, your wishes have been granted. 1. You don't like MON 2. you don't like Milner output = what we got now Cheers mate |
VillaDude
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... I agree. We are finding out NOW kev mac aint good enough for the job. Better than after christmas when he keeps making stupid mistakes! At least MONs mistakes were on a much lesser scale. Worst week at villa in a long long time.. |
Hadders7
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... I don't blame KMac, it was another poor team performance and we need a manager in now. The problem is that there are no names out there that I get very excited about. When MON was appointed I was over the moon but I just don't get a name that gives me that sense of excitement and hope for the future. We all know that the window will close and whoever is in charge will not have the time (more like funds!) to bring in the players we desperately need. I am not looking forward to the next few months...desperately need a big name signing to give us a boost. DAMIAN - Who would be your choice of manager from those available??? |
vivavilla
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... I'm all up for being fair on K-Mac, but he can't escape blame entirely. At the most basic level he picked the players, the players who went on to play poorly. He didn't have to pick Beye or Davies. Or Heskey. Let's not lie, it wasn't a great starting XI by any means. MacDonald was responsible for that. |
ghostrider
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... Guys I understand that you're hurt, and TBH after the s**t I took at work after the Toon debacle I understand. However if it stinks it probably is s**t, MON left use in the worst case senario 5 days to D Day no one in no one out and rumour control of the scale. So who is the the villan to be fair no one still at the club, the chairman put in charge an asset and says do the best you can. the Asset says i will do the best i can - has anyone said its yours to loose i doubt it except the Manc press. In business terms MON left a big fat F U with an embedded trojan virus on the main frame. It would have been easy to turn of the power but at the end of day the hard part is to suck it up, take it back, come out and put it right. So if you where RL (given his business background) would you run and dable or would sit, consider, plan, create a strategy for the future and run with it - his track record suggests he is a winner and TBH Rome lost battles but won wars - it also fell but in the main History remembers it as winner and so does most of Europe! |
Liam
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... Things are going down hill very fast. the ship is sinking. Aston villa need a good manager quickly or we wont be in the premier league next season. at this rate i don't look forward to playing Everton or any other team. Aston villa is going down quickly. we need to sell the average players mon brought in and keep the quality, and in the mean time bring in two or three proven quality players. Get a manager quickly, even that Bob bradley he looks like he'll rock the boat abit and get the lads playing again the way we know they can. |
ak_27
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... villarobin i agree with most of what you say and i feel sory for kmac. But i really thought Heskey was s**te once again and Petrovs comments after the game for me is just an attempt by the man to deflect the blame elsewhee fo his role in tonights mess. Davies from day one has been a piss poor player in most aspects and Beye IMO has been harshly treated by the club in that how many times has he actually got to play in the position he signed to play in? But we do need to sort out the defensive cover. Esp as i said today LB. |
VillaDude
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... I can see Cahill scoring with a header already on Sunday. They will be relishing every corner and free kick. |
John C
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... William Mcgonagall. He worked his socks off for 4 years trying to improve the club. Villa' turnover is about 1/3 of the top teams. Building up to that level was always a long term operation. MON was being systamatically undermined on this site even when we battling on 3 fronts last February/March. I blame Paul Faulkner for MONs departure. Ther was obviously a lack of Communication between Lerner MON over the proceeds of the sell to buy policy. To lose your manager just before the season starts is unforgivable. We are seeing that without MON novices are running the club. Who would trust them to bring in the right manager. |
vivavilla
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...Damian, I don't like nose hair or taxes. Not going to lose those am I. |
Damian
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... VillaDude o'neill couldn't beat this lot last season and his team also lost 7-1 - if anything it is just going to prove that the way he set the team up to play football was wrong - you cant expect drastic change, which is needed, to happen so quickly Hadders7 i dont know. i'd have to sit down and think long and hard about it .. stuper yeah - because what i want happens. for the record, since milner was put in the middle, something i and many others were crying out for a long time before it happened, i said countless times that he would be the first name down on my teamsheet. |
1874AVFC
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... villarobin, quote]Im sorry but i agree with Damian, tonight had nothing to do with KM. We have injurys in defence and it was up to Beye and Davies to step up. Absolute rubbish! Collins and Cuellar at CB? Beye at right beck where he belongs, Warnock playing, Clarke given a game - how many more combinations do you need? |
ak_27
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...2. you don't like Milner Yes the reason why Milner left Villa was because Damien didn't like him. Its going to be the headline news on the back page of the sun in the morning. |
norwood villan
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... After the West Ham game I posted and misappropriated the phrase "time gentlemen please." I could see the need to consider what we were being asked to accept and the bubble of euphoria bursting, but not quite in the spectacular way it has. I admire KMac for being there and taking the blows, but he is not our next manager. let him get back to what he is clearly good at, coaching. I offer the following without any desire to kick at him any further and anybody baying for his blood should look at their posting history with all conscience. Martin O'Neil's record over the past 3 years makes him, what- the second or third most successful British manager in the Premiere League? Clearly something went very wrong for him to leave in the way he did, but what? What were the plans for Martin's departure? It would have come at some time. Why have we now played and lost 2 games without a managerial appointment? How does this equate to a vision for where the club is going? Those at the very top need to get a grip and never mind the spin, the flannel, the media or anything. Make some tough decisions, financial or otherwise and appoint a manager without further delay. I'd add that some players played tonight who were doubtless cock-a-hoop at MON going. You got beaten, you looked ordinary if not inept. Who was right and are you really worthy? Indeed it is "Time gentlemen please." Last orders for the most dysfunctional start to a Premiere League season I have ever witnessed (by anybody), or are we targeting relegation and middling success in the Championship as the new vision. |
grotty
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... The way i see it is this: We have 2 options which could really shape the club as a whole: Option 1- go short term and get someone like sven , who could blow loads of money trying to compete and get us into a bigger mess after 2 years of "almost" Option 2- Forget trying to chase the pack and a statement to the fance that we are going to rebuild and restructure and focus on being a club again , with our promisining youngsters> I would love to go against the grain and play kids and young players , playing nice football with a view to challenge in a few years time. Build something. If you think we can keep up with man city and the rest , then you are mistake! even our ex players realise that - and look what loyalty there is today! The main problem with all of this is .... the fans...... We have ALWAYS thought we are better than we actually are ... and guess what.. when you look at all the home backing from other teams, we are in fact very far down the line!! |
villaman1988
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... beye and davies should never play for villa again. what was davies thinking for the second goal, i think conceding a throw in 30 yards out is a lot better than conceding a corner.idiot. ireland had a very good first half but needs to be more advanced. i get so frustrated with our passing, the defence petrov n NRC have no imagination, so many times ireland n young were begging for the ball in the hole or over the top and they were ignored to give it to cuellar(i think mellberg may actually have had more quality in the oppistion half) Finally Emile Heskey is becoming an embarrassment to himself and the club...but why not bring on delfouneso to keep some pace n threat up front...far too much is being asked of albrighton at the minute. Horrible start to the season, but get Jol or Klinsmann before window..sign a DM and a striker and we can still have a decent season. UTV |
corleone
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... Im sorry but i agree with Damian, tonight had nothing to do with KM. Im sorry but i agree with Damian, tonight had nothing to do with KM. Yeah it wasn't K Mac who decided to play Ireland and Petrov in the middle again after they were ripped to shreds by the geordies. It wasn't K Mac who played 4 centre backs across the defence and don't give me the injuries rubbish he could have decided to play lichah for a bit more balance; he couldn't have done any worst than beye or davies. It wasn't K Mac who took off a striker and bought on a winger. It wasn't K Mac who started Heskey. It wasn't K Mac who started Guzan. It wasn't K Mac who was reluctant to change the formation when It obviously was causing us problems. Like it's been said, he didn't have to take the job. We don't need a quivering wreck who doesn't even know if he's coming or going. |
.vogra
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... 3 Easy quick Steps to improve Villa 1)Take the captaincy of Petrov and give to Dunne 2)Never and i mean never play Beye and Davies again 3)Play players in their correct positions.. |
HOOLY
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... We owe him nothing,he stood in because he was told to just the same as we all do when our employer tells us to do something we have to do it.Having spent 7yrs at the club you would have thought he would have learnt a thing or two from previous managers, well he got the O'dreary lean down to a T. He hasnt got the stature or confidence to give our so called stars a dressing down.We really are back to square one. |
Gaz Kendo
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... I have to be honest and say that I didnt really think our captain showed much hurt from that result at all. Webcam is looking more like the prima donna we think he can be, how many balls did he over hit?? For crying out loud these boys are in training most days. Im worried about the direction we are taking at the moment, losing tonight might be a blessing in terms of league position but on the other hand we could be on a spiral downwards. The players attitudes bother me as a paying supporter and for me there is something not quite right at this club and I just hope Randy sorts a new direction in the next 48hours. |
ak_27
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...Villa' turnover is about 1/3 of the top teams Yet the man wanted to continue spending more then the big clubs on 3 times our turnover every year on players who he would not use and on wages that far out weighed their ability or worth to the club. To lose your manager just before the season starts is unforgivable. Yes and who's fault is that? The man who didn't get his way walked and left eveyone in the lurch at the last second. |
Damian
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... corleone yes, he picked the players but most were brought in my the previous manager to play a specific way it takes time, not just a few weeks, to change how a club plays football. also, remember - the previous manager couldn't beat this lot over 2 legs |
VillaDude
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... Damian, i do not want changes. I want players playing in the right position! Kev mac got tactics, formation and personnel all wrong. Its thd basics. |
Scott Bratt
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... Absolutely ludicrous to blame Kmac. He's taken charge of Villa because we had no other choice and he was the best placed man to take the provisional role. You have to remember we were managerless 5 days before the start of the season, its not like you can magic up a quality permanent manager in that time. Even if you could, I couldn't imagine them doing any better than Kmac Beye played left back, because we had no cover for Warnock. Not Kmacs fault. The majority of players acted like they didn't want to be there after the penalty miss. No desire to win. Honestly think Heskey done well for us, regardless of whether he scored or even missed a sitter. He tracked back, he didn't give up, and he actually played like he wanted to win. Same goes for Albrighton when he came on. The back 5 were utter tosh. Has to be down to lack of communication more than anything else. They are all excellent footballers in their own right, just as a unit completely poor. It's not doom and gloom lads, last year was arguably our best season in a long time, and if i remember, it terms of results, it started not too dis-similar to this one. |
Leroy
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... Collins played a great game tonight. Albrighton showed us a bit more and Gabby, although a bit rusty, looked a threat. Heskey i thought was quite good, causing problems and winning free kicks. Im sorry but no team is going to win if you have four or so players that cant pass the ball.....Beye, Davies, Reo, Cueller...you can get away with one perhaps, but four?? Ash Young looks like hes under pressure now as Milner is gone. Beye and Davies were utter s**t. 10mil plus Luke Moore for Davies was the biggest rip of the century.... The only way we can turn it around is to get an Elano type player and that could mean getting Sven in to do it. Desperately need balance and poise int eh middle of the field. Noone is leading in the center of the pitch. Ireland is playing first off from the keeper ffs....complete mess and the team has no confidence what so ever. A few less howlers would be ok also... |
Gaz Kendo
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... Damian you are right the previous manager couldnt beat this lot over 2 legs but that was 12 months ago!! Where is the progress?? Arent we supposed to be getting better ?? And at the moment we should still have had a good enough squad to cope with this game. We seem to be going backwards |
villarobin
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... 1874AVFC - Davies cost about 8-10 million pounds didnt he !!! and you would sooner blame the manager than him. Its you who is speaking garbage my friend. Davies should have been able to cope with his ridiculous price tag. The same goes for Beye |
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... Our back line tonight was more like an obtuse triangle on crack. The defense was TERRIBLE and ReoCoker not scoring a gift of a goal standing right in front of the goal shows his lack of instinct, insight and prowess. Maybe Bob Bradley wouldn't be welcomed at VP but his Michael sure would be, imo. Vill til I die should be Villa til I commit suicide. Yes, it's a joke but still..pure dreck |
simba
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... Viva Villa said: Also on the plus side, staying out of Europe might be our only chance of achieving a decent league position this season. Oh Christ that old saving grace. We spend every season playing for a European place. Yes Europa is a bloody terrible waste of playing time in its current format but Europe- the prestige and the financial reward- is what the season is about if we cannot win the lottery of the cups. Fulham reached the final ffs and I was in Portugal (Madeira actually)and the locals took it very seriously. I got drinks for being English. Fulham. Wtf are we playing for each season? This club NEEDS silverwear. FAC LC brilliant but we keep putting out sides designed for League position. For Europe. So in your mind we will achieve a better league position - by what argument is that beneficial, what is a "decent league position" unless we reach Europe? Moreover why try if we don't actually take it on? What in your opinion is our club actually playing for? |
Damian
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... Gaz Kendo that was why the previous manager had to go - he had taken us as far as he could and we were no longer making progress, but standing still. atleast now, we are giving ourselves the chance to move forward. doesn't mean it will happen straight away, but it means we have a chance and that, while risky, is the right thing to do |
Elmo Grub
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... Hooly, 'he stood in because he was told to' Exactly. Therefore it's not really his fault. He's simply doing what he been asked to do for the good of the club whilst it's ion limbo. Once again he never wanted the job. And we do owe him for all he has done to help the reserves/youngsters develop and for that seven years service you mentioned. Damo it's no more MONs fault than it is KMacs. Blaming his 'tactical legacy' for the last two results is lame. If you're going to blame MON blame him for deserting us. Seeing as you wanted him out anyway I understand that's a difficult position for you to take. |
Chiefy
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... Not kmacs fault he never asked for this, he is just trying to help and do what he can, but that aint enough. Its now all in lerners hands and the clock is ticking and we are losing. Sort it randy before we end.up in a bad run! Utv |
John C
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... DAMIEN Yes and that way got us to Wembley twice last season. I see parallels to when Saunders resigned. I collected signatures for the petition to get him back. People tod me they had bought Season tickets and wolud use them, but not renew. We won the Europen cup and gates were down 6000 the next year.The attendance against Everton will be interesting as the casuals will depart first. I fear Lerner is about to find out what real financial pressure is |
villarobin
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... 1874AVFC - The one thing i do agree on is why rest players ?? If its so important to stay in Europe, why are we resting Warnock / Downing etc ?? If they have knocks fair enough but i dont think they do. Also nobody seemed to care when we got knocked out last year (Me Included) because we had genuine chances of getting in the top 4 / Bigger fish to fry. This year feels VERY different. |
VillaDude
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... Lol. Davies kicking the ball out for a corner and beye attempting to dribble the ball out of defence. Looking back, both need a good dressing down. But kev mac wont do it. Hes too nice Davies is one of the worst ever signing at villa! |
Hadders7
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... The comments about being out and concentrating on the league are ridiculous! The reason to finish as high as you can is to enable the club to ply their trade in European competition...going out in the qualifiers is a disgrace. We may as well have been happy finishing anywhere above the relegation places with that attitude, if it really doesn't matter??? |
rocky5
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...Headologist said: |
villaman1988
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... i think all the people simply pointing out that we lost to vienna are crazy. yes we lost to them, but that was during one of the best campaigns we have had in years. 2 rips to wembley(robbed both time) wins at old trafford n anfield, 6th place for third year in a row. who wouldnt take that now?? norwood villain is spot on...the players who were delighted wen MON left got their chance tonight.we saw the results |
Leroy
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... The fact that MON was a "man manager" means that not many other managers can get what he got out of this under talented side that he constructed.... There needs to be a clean out and i really think that it is going to have to wait until next summer....we will have a few contracts run out and can then most likely try and create a bit more flexibility with a few more sales. Sven Goran Eriksson will do wonders on a low budget and hes not afraid to go in for the little known players from exotic parts of the world, low risk high reward types....look what he did for Man City with Elano, Geovanni, Corluka, M. Petrov, Manuel Fernandes etc etc........ We should be doing everything in our power to get him in....sadly he would have to use this season as a trial for players that he wishes to keep and make sure that we stay up....then come summer really be aggressive in the transfer market |
Kakaboo
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... It is probably because the loss is still so fresh, but I feel the same way now as I did when Villa bought Øyvind Leonhardsen in the 02/03 season and finished 16th. I feel like taking a break from English football. I watched the City vs Pool match and it made me sick to see Milner make an assist in his debut to Barrys goal (many stated that the Milner sale was a great piece of business |
Damian
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... John C got to wembley to one final but what did we win and look at the draw we had to get to that final - as soon as we reached a decent side we were beaten. as for the other wembley appearance - come on, it was a semi-final - what do you want; wembley or a final appearance? Elmo Grub it absolutely is more o'neills fault over macdonald and show me where i wrote i wanted him out? i think you will find i actually wanted him to get more money |
vivavilla
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... simba Well we're clearly not good enough to win the Europa League are we? Hodgson said himself a run in this competition cost them a few places in the league last season. This season could turn out to be a disaster and we could finish 15th. Would you want a run in Europe then? |
Steve F
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... The Premier League is a marathon. Qualification for Europe was a sprint. Every one of our senior players should have been on the pitch tonight regardless of Everton on Sunday. We have a whole PL season ahead, but I think this is the last European game we've seen for another few years. KMac is not up to the job, I had hoped he was...thanks KMac, but stick with what u do best. No manager and it seems no money and no investment... We have a good squad, they just need to play to their potential and I think we can still be top ten. UTV |
meregolfclub
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... to all the villa fans ready to commit hari kari - just think back to two years ago. Villa had just finished sixth and were ready to kick on in the next season and made a very good fist of it. spuds had their spanish manager in situ and were going to take the league by storm. they lost their first eight matches and sacked ramos and appointed diamond geazer (how we laughed). Look at the spuds team now good in all areas gk def. mid. att. and in cl. (would we swap the spurs players for ours? - i think yes. My point being we all had a laugh about arrys apointment but who is laughing now? However if our beloved chairman can make the inspired appointment it dont take long to turn th fortunes around with the right manager and the financial backing we can get there - be patient keep the faith. UTV |
villaman1988
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... Villan_8989 said: ... It wouldnt suprise me if he still gives the Villa job to KMac... Its the cheap option. He'll do that or go for Bradley. Thats why MON left isnt... lack of money and ambition!!! You can blame MON but we'll have to see at the end of the season who misses who more!!! I fear Villa wont make the top 10. DISASTER! Too many people were too quick to criticise MON but he took is from no where to somewhere and we're back on the road to nowhere! Davies says he never got a chance... well Davies, with your performance...again... i think MON was right. Just wonder if any of our Villa fans are gonna stick by me on this!!! Spot on. i was beginning to wonder if their were any sane fans on here anymore. couldnt agree anymore. OK lerner has spent money(less than spurs and city) but from were we started to the end of last season was a massive leap forward.we needed one last burst to take us into the top 4(or at least have a very good chance) and Lerner bottled it.i now we have awful players(davies heskey) but we needed to build a squad from nothing, all teams have players on big wages not getting a kick. Randy has switched his money to the browns(were he aint exactly liked) and MON jumped what he deemed to be a sinking ship.He was the best thing to happen to this club in years. come may i think a lot more fans on here will be saying the same. UTV |
Bald Villan
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... And no BMT either!!What is BMT -Big Match Temprement! A mate of mine is rather a big MAN U fan,and he has this joke that he made up about The Villa which p*sses me off immensely!Starting to wonder if there is not an ounce of truth therein -What does the Villa fan do after his team has won a tournament/league?He gets up off the couch and packs his X-box away!!! |
Damian
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... John C my point is; we have nothing to show for it for all the bluster about getting to a final - united were the first side we met in that competition that the general football fan would say are bigger than us - they were expected to win - your point is absolutely valid - which is why you should also accept mine - we were expected to beat all that came before us the thing is, with cup competitions, you have to beat the best to win - and we couldn't under o'neill |
villaman1988
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... Damian said: ... John C got to wembley to one final but what did we win and look at the draw we had to get to that final - as soon as we reached a decent side we were beaten. as for the other wembley appearance - come on, it was a semi-final - what do you want; wembley or a final appearance? The fact that you rite off last season in this way is pretty incredible, were does all this negativity come from. Villa dont have a divine right to win trophies and be in the top 4,MON did the best to achieve those things for a long time.You may have been around in 81 and 82 to see the glory days but for anyone younger last year was the best since the early 90's |
walshy
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... are you geting that feeling??? i am... seems like weve taken a HUGE step backwards. people can say all they want but under MON we were difficult to beat and no one would enjoy coming to villa park. we would never have lost 6-0 to newcastle away. some villa fans are deluded and dont know how lucky we acatully was. id much rather some baffling substitution's and deffensive tactics then getting embarrassed in the majority of games and slowly drifting back to mid table mediocrity. but stil some muppets will be singing martin who!!! |
simba
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... John C. Well done. We lost (arguably) to a bad ref decision - Vidic should have been off- and a obvious penalty not given. |
Chiefy
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... Check newsnow rumour has hitzfeld and his agent are in town! ! ! ! Could it be? Really? Inspired enough? |
villarobin
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... Villan_8989 - Well said, MON did alot much for Villa There are so many Tosser Villa fans , i hate to say it, but there are, who just slag slag slag... The way MON left was a disgrace and its a shame as its tarnished his rep, but Im sorry you cant argue with what he achieved here. Does anyone feel like we will win at Old Trafford / Anfield / Chelsea now ?? |
HOOLY
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... @elmo ,i appreciate what your saying with regards to reserve and youth teams .I wanted KMAC to do well but its not just the results that are frustrating me with him i wish the man would grow a pair, say he does want the job, he'll learn to cope with being in the lime light and show abit of enthusiasm while he's doing it. |
Elmo Grub
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... Damo, Strange, I didn't see MON in the dugout this evening. I did see KMac and neither of us are even blaming him. Saying that you think MON had taken us as far as he can and thereby infering we need someone else to take us further is tantamount to saying he should go IMO. I quote Stewie Griffin 'Its not so much that I want to kill her I just dont want her living anymore'. I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. If you said you blame MON because he forced this situation on KMac and the Villa I'd, at least, totally understand. Anyway Sir, it's bedtime for me, work tomorrow, so lets agree to disagree. Unless you disagree with that which would make things very complicated. |
corleone
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... Damien I appreciate it takes time to implement your own style on players. But, like you said, they have been tought to play a certain way so it is naive for K Mac to start trying to play his style of football right away. He should have played to the teams strengths instead of trying too many different things at once. Mowbray tried to do that straight away at celtic and look were that got him. I'm not knocking the guy too much, it was always going to be difficult but all i expected was for the man to have learnt from Sunday; on this evidence he didn't, and that's what's dissapointing. |
norwood villan
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... I can only add to my post above that I am deeply disappointed that some of those players will still get paid more than I earn a year this week. Every one of them should hand it straight to Acorns, as individually and collectively you haven't earned it. |
Bobby B
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... kev mac could have said no!!! we owe no respect to kev 'no passion, no expresson' mac! get out quick |
Aero-4-Villa
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... 1.Cruyff 2.Hitzfeld 3.Hiddink 4.Scolari Any of them NOW Randy! Please just get the job done. The players are clearly suffering... |
Damian
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... corleone but the result is fundamentally the same - so what is the issue? villaman1988 i'm not writing it off - where have i said that? but it is a fact - we won nothing. what i am doing, is moving on - not dwelling on what could have been |
John C
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... Damien Might be confused but I thought we beat Man U and Chelsea last year. Do premier laegue games not count. If you play Man U 3 times in aseason and win 1, draw 1 and lose 1 thats well above average. Its just unfotunate the defeat came at Wembley. Remember Vidic. Your arguments dont stack up |
walshy
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... aero they wont come to us,we have a chairman who isnt willing to to back us anoymore. and they wouldnt be able to work with so many non footballing footballers.cruyff was slagging barca of last season ffs lmao! its a bit suspicious they way kmac wont come out and say if he wants the job until 1 day before the transfer window.seems hes been told not to. |
Irishron
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... Managerial Appointment. Shay Given in. Players played in correct positions. A Striker (Robbie Keane). Sidwell, Salifou, Bebe & Davies out. Respect for Kevin Mc. |
Olaze
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... I said in the previous blogs we would lose against Rapid tonight. People were slating me for it. I was proven right, even though I'm not proud of it, at least I'm flipping realistic. We're gonna get thrashed by Everton unless we bring in a new manager now. Will Randy do it? You can sure as hell bet your sweet ass he won't. His gonna appoint a subpar manager once the transfer window closes, while we're left with alot of talentless players who just got found out tonight as well as in the Newcastle game. I won't be surprised if Ashley Young goes off now. Clearly one of our best players would want to escape this sinking ship and fast. Thanks alot Randy. Instead of using all your power to keep MON on board like you said you would, you've now left us in diaster zone. |
simba
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... Viva; sorry that doesn't make sense. Seriously couldn't find the point to argue back. I guess I am saying it might cost us a few places ( with our current squad, management? or Mons play the favourites every game strategy) but why try for the European places if we are not going to give it a go. We are not good enough, what to beat Rapid? We should be, having gained our sixth position in the Premier league. Take it seriously when we have won the right is all I am saying. Did we? If I understand you, if we cannot reach the top four why exactly is the league position important these days? If not to try and gain financial benefit for growth or glory. Know what? It is a bloody good debate, What are we playing for? |
Dejected Villan
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... Damian, get off your high horse, you now have what you wished for, MON has gone. Currently there are no better alternatives out there and we will be lucky to not be going backwards very quickly over the coming years. MON had this team playing above their level, it may not have been pretty at times but he got results. |
EnglandAvfc
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... I have total respect for Kevin Mac but it probably is time for a new manager and hopefully for Kev to stay and go back to he's old job with us Anyone but the YANK BRADLEY |
madrob
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... Just a few things i noticed tonite Davies and beye...goodbeye and fairwell.hope never to see you two in a villa shirt again collins......had more shots than gabby, fonz and pesky put together...thats got to tell us something young....the more i watch this guy the more i think he is overhyped.world class my dog need to practice pens ireland .hes got the benifit of the doubt yet.he could yet make the rambo in midfeild we need. like mcanally in his hayday Whats with the crowd at vp lately.........way too quiet and still trying to sell tickets for a home match against everton on sunday.............vp used to be full everyhome game not so long ago |
McParland
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... Seeing the article asks to show some respect i will not state what i wanted to say about that dour effort other than to say s**t looks like gold in comparison. Was just about to get a mug off cocoa but think i will have it in a bucket instead i need something to cheer me up after watching that crap Thank god i only watched it on itv4 instead of at the holt endlike many years ago to actualy have to pay to watch that is more than you should ask of a working man. Still we have everton this coming sunday? |
Irishron
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...3 Easy quick Steps to improve Villa Sound about right ... for a start. |
frem
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... well i hate to say it but mac was wrong. we had no width, we had a rb at lb and a cb at rb. MAD !!! albri was upfront with heskey most the game. crazy. randy was there watching. we need a striker and a big powerful defensive mid. its as simple as that. sort it out randy |
Damian
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... John C and what silverware did we get to put in the cabinet after beating chelsea and man utd? all it got us is exactly what we had the season before and the one before that my position does stack up - BECAUSE THE FACTS say we finished 6th, 6th and 6th - he had taken us as far as he could what doesn't stack up is your ability to see through the smoke or think even a little bit, outside the box |
Geoff
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... Do you have the link for Hitzfeld being in town? This team needs some good old fashioned German discipline and consistency. Hitzfeld has credos and can demand a signing or two to come with him, and Lerner would grant it because of his reputation. This guy would have us back in a domestic cup final and challenging in the top 6 in short order. PLEASE let that be true...that would give us hope. |
Nigel
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... If nothing changes, everything will just stay the same! Now that's what you call a truism. Solution: New manager a.s.a.p and a left back, holding midfielder and a striker who can actually score! |
Rortyboy
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... I agree not fair to blame K-Mac for tonight. Still not exactly sure how we lost that. First half all over them - the scoreboard how them no shots on target. Second half seemed fine until Beye and Davis mistakes. Both of them played badly - Davis was out muscled by their no. 15. Beye dwelt on the ball too long all night. Ultimately we caused our own downfall and they were lucky. Their fans were amazing. To be fair to Lerner he can ask where were the other 10,000 Villa fans - we won't grow without more money and that means more full up matches - disappointing showing less than 30,000 in total. |
bradz
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... I doubt we will get any new signings in tbh...hence stalling on getting a manager in as they will ask for funds |
Gazkendo
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... Who is going to sanction these new players ?? Who sanctioned our backup LB going to the baggies?? At this time we have no other choice but to get behind the team, however painful it is and it feckin hurts. In all seriousness the manager scenario worries me, It wont be Kmac and who else is going to come here knowing he will have to wait till January to alter the team? Is Jol still the popular vote? |
McParland
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... To the fella who said this team needs some good old fashioned german discipline i totaly agree to get the usless wonders into proper shape ,But mention discipline to most these days and they either s**t themselves which is totaly of no use when runnuing around on the pitch in snow white shorts or get a law suit put on you LOL |
John C
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... DAMIEN I think your inabilty to see that Villa have imlpoded in the space of two weeks is because you are guided by your pedujices, and unwillingness to admit that you have shown poor judgement over the last 7 months. |
leftwingextremist
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... As I said about a week ago KMc obviously does not want the job and I think that has now got through to the players - they are simply waiting for whoever it is to turn up. What makes me laugh about tonight is that he did all the things that drove people nuts about MON - he decided to play with players out of position and set them up to play 442. You would have absolutely crucified MON for a result like tonight's. Obviously KMc is doing his best but I am sure MON was too. And another thing - ffs stop comparing the result at Newcastle with Chelsea last season. There is a world of difference between getting turned over by the Champions and being done by players that are very largely of no more than a good championship standard. |
walshy
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... but damien football is about week in week out games. beating chelsea and united is a big achievment.its about giving fans thing to cheer about andf being proud of your team if it wasnt why would supporters of the likes of wigan,blues and co go to games because they wont win any silverware |
Damian
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... John C I think your inabilty to see that Villa have imlpoded in the space of two weeks is because you are guided by your pedujices, and unwillingness to admit that you have shown poor judgement over the last 7 months.i actually laughed when i read that - what an over reaction |
runtingz
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... here here damian well i think we should have plenty to discuss in the next few days as randy has a huge choice to make |
simba
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... You know -seeing the pics and hearing about their "amazing" fans and especially given our low attendance/interest. It has been an embarrassing evening. Let alone the result. When was the last time WE showed that passion in Europe. It was obviously a very important night for RV, playing Villa in Europe. Why don't we care? |
Gazkendo
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... leftwingextremist, thank god someone else has mentioned that the Premiership champions are a completely different proposition to the Premiership newcomers who have the main core of players still in the starting 11. It was doing my 'ead in too! |
Rortyboy
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... The problem wasn't Beye playing out of position. He just dwelt on the ball - as he does. They spotted that and closed him down all night - it paid off once. Positives: Ireland looking good; Albrighton excellent - and I think he is still a bit weak physically; Reo-Coker had a couple of good runs; Gabby looked superb - when he went off we lost some of our threat; Cuellar marshalled their dangerous winger Negatives: Young belongs on the wing; Petrov is very good but can't dominate the game enough; No goal scorer on the pitch; and we need a manager so badly |
McParland
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... The only good thing i can take from the game tonight is on tv it showed a close up of randy lerners face when they scored the third goal and it looked like he had just been royaly rogered by hemile heskeys cousin LOL it might just make him part with some cash befor the window closes. |
Chiefy
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... At fans should be ashammed they showed us up, they are showed us proper support. Couldn't even hear the holte pathetic attempt! They traveled and there level of support showed us up! Respect to the dogs for their support to their team |
Damian
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... walshy i agree and winning at old trafford last season was fantastic. dont disagree with anything you have said but, my point is, o'neill had taken us as far as he could with his style of football. nothing wrong with that - it isn't his fault and for what he did he should be thanked and it doesn't mean that the next man in will do better. it does mean though, that if you accept that 6th, 6th and 6th is standing still - we might do better with a new manager - or how many more seasons and how many more millions should we have given o'neill? we might not do it this season, we might not next, but if we have the chance of doing better, there is hope. i had lost all hope of it every happening with o'neill |
John C
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... damien There you go again. Unwilling even to consider that you might have been wrong abouy MON. You are wrong about KMac as well. Villa in not the club for a novice manager |
Geoff
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... found the link...thin story...but for the fans' sake and for the Health of Lerner's overworked chain-smoking PR staff, they had better hire a manager of that reputation and they had better do it tomorrow. |
r0bb0
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... I was a big Martin O Neill fan and wish he'd stayed but I was really disappointed with the timing of his departure. I want to put him behind me and move on. It's hard to however when Damian insists on continually harking back, particularly when he keeps recycling comments like 'kick and rush football'. That was a fair description in his first two years, less so in his third year and demonstrably not the case last year. Anyway.....onto tonight. I do agree that it's unfair to lay into Kmac. Someone needs to stand in until we have a new appointment, he clearly isn't that enthusiastic about being there but he's still stepped up to the mark. As has already been said, Beye in particular was desperately poor tonight but overall we did not look that bad. The scoreboard showed us having something like 20 shots to their 5. We could easily have converted 2 or 3 more, we could have been less hapless at the back and everything (including Kmacs role) would be looking so different right now. |
Big Norm from East Lancs
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... Absolutely gutted about the result. I've had relentless grief since the drubbing on Sunday and things will not be any better tomorrow. The team lack a 'true leader' who will lift the lads around him when things get tough. Absolutely bl**dy average! Hope Randy gets his cheque book out soon and makes a sensible decision re who becomes the manager. If not I fear it may be a long and difficult season. As for Habib Beye.....! Next time he collects his obnoxious wage he should get locked up for deception! I still believe. |
Rortyboy
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... Damian You are like an insurance policy - seem to say one thing and then when under pressure you refer to the small print. My impression was you thought MON no good and K-Mac worth a punt because he didn't play retro football. Turns out he does - probably for the same reasons MON did - and woefully he does it worse that MON Rapid fans weren't wrong it's a Nightmare |
runtingz
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... i dont believe MOM took the club as far as he could more like he was refused funds to take things further and was refused . and clearly now is not the time for villa to stop building the squad as we have done well while MON was building even with the fact the we was always a few players short of a compleate competive squad.... so close but yet so far sound familar villans ? |
Falmouth Villan
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... Just before i rant on about whats wrong with our club i must say i think the call for stuart pearce could be a great shout! tonight was again a disgrace regardless of who is manager if a player cant do the basics he should not be playing! There are several players in our team who should be totally ashamed of the way they are playing currently. for me only bright sparks tonight were albrighton, gabby,and collins the rest were complete s**te,even the new boy was only involved 3 - 4 times in the 2nd half!as a player when things dont go right you grab the game by getting stuck in and showing some passion.when my manager changes i still perform to the same level...my profesionlism will not let me do anything else! but these overpaid muppets play like it does not matter and they dont give a f**k!...well it does matter to me its my team my club regardless of who the owner is!i can handle loosing (just) if we tried and gave it our best but it is quite clear not enough of our team give a toss! the club is in total meltdown no passion, no desire, not even any shirts to buy for f**ks sake and it all comes down to 1 man...time to step up or step down mr learner! |
Damian
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... John C i might have been wrong about o'neill. there you go, i might have been. thing is, we will never know and one thing i dont do, is dwell on things that have happened and beat myself up about it THE FACTS ARE we finished in the same place for 3 seasons on the bounce with him after he had more money to spend than any other aston villa manager in history we stopped making progress. we stood still. i wouldn't change anything about what i wrote about o'neill and my view on him will not change and when i look back at what he did with us, at celtic and at leicester - it baffles me that anyone could think, without significant funds, he could have taken us any further with his style of football it absolutely baffles me |
Trezzy
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... the villa news and views website is having a big convo about this hitzfeld, aparantly all bets are off on him? dont gamble so aint got a clue what that means |
walshy
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... i understand what you are saying damian. but it says alot about some of moronic fans who were singing martin who and disrespecting what the man did for our club.he has took us 3 level above what were were when he took over and made us fans proud of villa again. i for one will always hold MON in high regards |
madrob
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...Chiefy said: couldnt agree more |
Damian
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... walshy dont shoot me now and i cant believe i am using o'leary as an example - but he got us 6th without all the money - had he got all the money o'neill had - he might have gotten us higher |
Geoff
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... Well if the Bookies took him off the list, and there has been no direct denial, that means something is up and they need to recalibrate the odds in order to profit from his hiring if that is the case. |
Dunny
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... Some of the most abject defending Ive ever seen , Habib Beye is truly awful but he shouldn't be singled out , whatever happens re the manager these guys are professional and should put in a performance to show some pride and passion in the club. KM is a nice guy doing the best he can but some of these players are just not up to it.I am really starting to fear for the Villa this season! |
True Villan
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... I can see so many of the KMac brigade on here who touted for him to get the job after one game. well unlike the 80% plus who voted for him to be boss, I voted no, you could tell from the outset he is a man who suffers from stress or nerves, his unwillingness to commit to the job and his shocking tactics! in fairness he wants to play a stly of football that MON squad will not allow, but that defence should never be played together again! I honestly belive 90% of the premeirship could have beaten rapid tonite and if we played like that again most would beat us 6-0 again we have to accept the way we play, go back to 4-5-1 and become tight again, sneak wins. at present we could go from top six to bottom six in one year! at least we know that MON was not the magician many thought him to be, he just constructs basic, hard to beat teams who play from a bygone era and hoof and hit Randy lerner needs to act quick or everything he has worked or hoped for will be lost in a flash, because MON left us a house of cards that will tumble down around us! |
frosty
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...dont shoot me now and i cant believe i am using o'leary as an example - but he got us 6th without all the money - had he got all the money o'neill had - he might have gotten us higher Could you imagine MON finishing 16th this year? I can't but I can almost imagine Villa doing so wthout him. |
villagold
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... Well, we all agree, tonight’s display was horrific. And for me this was possibly the most dissapointing week in my 30 years as a Villa fan. Same display a few years back would have been different because the expectations (of some) fortune were not at all the same. To put things in perspective, solely blaming Kev Mac is barking up against the wrong tree. I completely agree with Damian here. For a start, he never asked for the job, still seems reluctant to take over for the long term, and he had to come to rescue five days before our season started. Responsibility for this and Sunday’s ooutome (btw, when was the last time we lost 6-0 to such a lesser side in a competitive match?) mainly rests with the players; if you are a PL player and have been involved in professional football since a young teenager, perhaps in several teams, you train every day, you sleep with team tactics, and the overall game plan is ingrained in your head like your own name, then, it doesn’t matter who take over. A manager makes a difference over a season or two, or in crucial one-off games, like CL, FA cup finals, not in games like these. It happens occasionally, but these were two very bad days at the office for way too many players. I also don’t see us involved in any relegation battle for the seasons to come, or that this will start a free fall in the next coming games. Besides, it doesn’t really matter if we win or lose on Sunday, or the next weekend. What is more worrying is what MON’s and Milner’s departures, without any solid replacements, e indicatwhere the club is heading, cause i cannot see us reaching top 4, let alone winning any significant silverware, in the foreseeable future. I simply cannot. And when i say foreseeable i mean years, possibly decades. I think today’s game illustrates a deeper problem that far deviates from the expectations being a built at the club. It signifies how short the team was/is. I would argue that fewer players than a starting 11 were good enough to really challenge, and they all had to have their best game every week. In making this happen MON was a true genius, and i cannot see HR or Mancini master the same. No one here really knows the true reason why MON jumped ship, but i am sure he knew things were hanging on a thin thread, and without enforcements, let alone keeping Milner (who, in my mind was the ultimate piece in this set-up), he chose to walk. There has been a lot of talk about transfers, but, if anything happends before September 1st, it will be a squad player and/or a necessary (but not a truly targeted) manager. Anything more or above that would already have happened or be written on the walls. And that is really not going to help us much. Let’s be honest, to reach the top four and stay there, we would have needed to spend at least 50 million net, with Milner still in the team; a top drawer striker (20 million), a classy creative midfielder (15-20 million), right back (10 million), central defender (10-15 million), plus another 10 million for the bench. And the players making their space would be worth max 10 million. Because that is what it would take to compete with City, Pool, Spurs, etc. So, i foresee us occupying 6-10the place in the years to come, and that would not have been so bad if someone told me so five years back. But with truly hoping and believing in CL football in recent years, with Villa finally stepping up to their pedigree, such a scenario is deeply dissapointing. And that is the take-home message from the events over the last couple of weeks. |
rocky5
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...runtingz said:was MON your mom then |
walshy
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... true damian haha but the premier league has impoved with city and especially spurs coming on leaps and bounds. we really need a experienced manager with alot of disipline and can attract bigger players to move us upwards.also to clear out the deadwood |
Trezzy
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... aparantly theres a club statemnet tomorrow, im beginning to think its rubbish aswell |
Irishron
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... On the manager front the simple truth is there is nobody out there at the moment who fits the bill. Give it to KevMac till Christmas and by then there will be options available. Who's odds on to get sacked first? |
r0bb0
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...THE FACTS ARE we finished in the same place for 3 seasons on the bounce THE FACTS ARE we gained more points every year under MoN, The points gap between us and 4th got smaller every year under MoN, the gap between us and 1st got smaller every year under MoN. I'm as pissed off as anyone with MoN, I didn't expect him to improve us again this year, but then again I thought we'd go backwards at the start of last season too and yet we didn't. THE FACT is none of us will ever know.......not even Damian. |
Conan2
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... Anyone that thinks certain players played well tonight you must be joking. I have no idea how we set up tonight. We had no width. We had no ideas, no creativity, no bloody balls. There we times in the second half when we passed 30/40 times in our own half, sideways then back, sideways then back. So many players went missing not showing for the ball, where was the movement to create space. I am sorry but this is not good enough. I want answers, not from KMAC (as I kinda agree with the thoughts on others about him)but from Learner and the top brass. What on Earth is going on down the Villa, I want to know what they are going to do to make sure that all the good work and what some may call progress of the MON days is not going to be wasted. It may only be 4 games into the season but we are a club in crisis. No manager, lost our best player, all the other players lack confidence,out of Europe (AGAIN) no direction. |
True Villan
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... On the manager front the simple truth is there is nobody out there at the moment who fits the bill. Give it to KevMac till Christmas and by then there will be options available. Who's odds on to get sacked first? with staements like that we will be down by xmas! any bloody body could do better than KMac, get him out now! |
Al Vesta
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... K-Mac stepped up and tried to help the club. He's never claimed to be good at it. Just hope he doesn't get slated to the point that he leaves Villa altogether. Terrible week though. And if there was ever a time to expect a written transfer request from MON's Ashley Young, and a large cash bid from Tottenham, then surely Friday is a good bet? |
Irishron
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...On the manager front the simple truth is there is nobody out there at the moment who fits the bill. Give it to KevMac till Christmas and by then there will be options available. Who's odds on to get sacked first? So who do you thing we should get? No point in being rash. There is no Manager out there at the moment who would be suitable. Bob - no way. Sven - no thanks. Klisman- dido. |
frosty
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...On the manager front the simple truth is there is nobody out there at the moment who fits the bill. Give it to KevMac till Christmas and by then there will be options available. Who's odds on to get sacked first? Give it to KMac and we will be mid table at best come Christmas, hardly a great proposition for a new gaffer and add to that the pressure to offload a few, no top class manager would take that on. Randy doesn't realise yet as he doesn't follow football but he's made a HUGE mistake not backing his manager.. and don't give me this business model s**t, he claimed to be a Villa man who would die for the cause.. well it's not as if he would of gone bust keeping Milner is it? |
Olaze
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...On the manager front the simple truth is there is nobody out there at the moment who fits the bill. Give it to KevMac till Christmas and by then there will be options available. Who's odds on to get sacked first? Are you for flipping real? By Xmas we could be sitting at rock bottom if we keep Kev Mac on board. I'm sorry, but no one is capable of looking after a team if they get thrashed 6-0 by a completely inferior team. And by then it could be too late to even recover. It would be best to bring in a safe manager now and next summer make a better decision. A decision has to be made now to avoid any more further embarassment. We're becoming the biggest laughing stock! |
Rortyboy
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...And if there was ever a time to expect a written transfer request from MON's Ashley Young, and a large cash bid from Tottenham, then surely Friday is a good bet? Agree he looked like he had had enough at the end tonight |
Kernowvillan
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... I am sorry and this might be the beer talking, but we need to get 'Kmac' out now....we are turning into a joke a Complete joke. I know he is villa through and through blah blah but we are bigger than this aren't we. can you imagine Chelsea or arsenal having a pat rice taking over, I think petrovs comments after the match say it all to be honest. |
walshy
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... if ash does leave were in we mayeswell turn out the kids everyweek. oooo thats all we could do |
frem
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...Tottenham are in talks with AC Milan over bringing Dutch striker Klaas-Jan-Huntelaar to White Hart Lane in a season-long loan deal. where are we in any of these randy ? keane, cruz or huntelaar would seriously help us. we need a striker you know randy. for f**k sake spend some bloody cash. WE NEED NEW PLAYERS. are squad isn't stong enough. |
Irishron
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...And if there was ever a time to expect a written transfer request from MON's Ashley Young, and a large cash bid from Tottenham, then surely Friday is a good bet? I hope not but nothing would surprise me. |
Celtic_Villan
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... god wasnt beye just awful?! seriously though, basic like having a player at the near post - obviously kmac has said we dont need - is fundamental. our set piece defense has fallen to pieces since he took over, it must be his change of system and its not good. also, i would say its a strong probability that is k mac did get the job, stan staunton would be back can you imagine. he has gotten his chance for me. he wasnt good enough. put him back with the reserves where he has done well. move on. |
Danniel Clark
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... did any 1 else think kmac looked abit like o'dreary. bad times ahead guys sorry. x |
PhillyVillan
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... I genuinely think that losing tonight might save our season! If we would have won - and done so convincingly - then Lerner may have been under pressure to keep KMac, which I think ultimately might see us in a relegation fight towards the end of the season. No offence to MacDonald, but he's just not up to the challenge at this level. His tactics and squad selection were all wrong: wrong formation, too many guys out of position, no width, bench full of youngsters, etc. I guess he's done the best he could do given the situation that MON dropped on him... We need a big-name manager who's gonna come in and command the respect of the senior players, as well as attract quality transfers to the side! |
FatKevs
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... This is One Mans Fault the Chairman Petrov said the uncertanty affected the players & to many played did not deliver to there abilities If anyone has had enough chances it has to be Clown Curtis he says MoN did not give hime a chance well he did KM no favours what so ever. The Chairman sanctioned every deal that has put us into this crisis, forced MoNs hand so he left, Has pocketed the Milner Money & has no intention of getting in a manager before the Wiondow shuts so he does not have to spend & can lie to the new manager like he did MoN |
Irishron
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...We need a big-name manager who's gonna come in and command the respect of the senior players, as well as attract quality transfers to the side! and that is? |
Dunny
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... I seem to remember Curtis Davies commenting on MON departure that he may now get a game and prove himself. Well the reason MON didn,t play you is because your s**te and given the opportunity you have confirmed MON'S opinion as correct. |
walshy
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... hitzfeld speaks fluent english and has a incredible record and should be able to attract some real quality.12 month rolling contract? |
Celtic_Villan
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... oh and did you see nrc pass the ball to an opponent for their goal?! he truly is piss poor with the ball. people are worried out our forwards? im more worried about our midfield of realistic starters we have; ashley - our best, but hasnt come on as expected. hopefully he can improve his delivery again this season albrighton - good potential but clearly isnt ready to play week in week out. scertainly a good squad player but isnt there quite yet. i thnk he will be though downing - im still prepared to see how he goes. but my first reaction was a poor signing. he's a wimp and doesnt work hard. has ability for sure, has never really progressed. would be at stoke or, well, middlesborough if he wasnt english. stan - is slowing up and doesnt have the energy anymore. was never a midfield hardman anyway. i do think he is a good footballer, but he shouldnt be captain. give dunne the armband nrc - lots of energy. will run all day. will tackle. so he should have played rugby. he is awful with the ball. not of a high enough standard. sidwell - this man played far more than he should have already. he is disinterested and untalented ireland. undoubted ability and can be the spark we always wanted. but we need to sort out who he will play with because he is a lazy bastid and wont ever track back. give him time we HAVE to replace milner's energy in the middle. he was everywhere and stephen ireland, although talented is no replacement for him. milner worth 3 times ireland to a team would not be far wide of the mark valuation wise. the over haul of the mon era may take a couple years we see what happens when we play someone else left back. young can play there so we mustnt sell. personally, i dont thin warnock is even good enough. in all honesty, to get where we want to be (ie spurs) the only players right now (disregarding potential) good enough are: friedal, cuellar, dunne, ash young, ireland, agbonlahor. the likes of l young, warnock, collins, albrighton, downing, petrov, carew - are all good standard squad players - and the some youngsters - delfouneso, clark, perhaps weimann, lowry, bannan. we need about 10 realistically. |
FatKevs
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... We Must now Batten down the hatches & make sure we are not in a relegation fight. Our season is over before it started it will be a long time before we have a taste of Europe again with this chairman. In saying that i will not miss it, the Moscow debacle has left a bad taste that will not go away I hope ~Heres Hoping Learner forgets about putting the squad up for sale but does the honourable thing & contacts a broker to sell the club, but most of all no PR Statement he will only be carried out in a wooden box |
jeremiah
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... It's not Macdonald's fault we're terrible, and I applaud him for running the ship by himself the last few weeks, but he's clearly not going to be the manager. In terms of the kick and rush thing, I don't think we play any differently than we did under MON, except that we don't counterattack anymore. I'm for Bradley, Sven, Hitzfeld, I don't care, someone who can bring some semblance of organization and respect back to the club before this season goes further down the tubes. |
Haj
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... I've lost a fortune on this game as I think KMc has no managerial credentials. For a start the game should've been killed in Austria and took an understrengthed team to prepare for Newcastle (we all knew what happened). Secondly, he rested 'key' players like downing, dunne, and carew because they'd played 3 games. They're not that good a players anyway. So why not pick the best possible players you have to win the game? And the players on the pitch and their body language was pathetic. Petrov for the penalty was the worst i've seen and Ashley Young in the midfield, is a waste of time he should just hang at the wings thats where he's good. In the middle of the park, he's nonsense tbh. |
PhillyVillan
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...I seem to remember Curtis Davies commenting on MON departure that he may now get a game and prove himself. Well the reason MON didn,t play you is because your s**te and given the opportunity you have confirmed MON'S opinion as correct. Is that the same MON who went out and spent a mint to bring in this "s**te" player that he so desperately wanted, signing him to a 4 year contract worth quite a bit of dosh? Truth is MON spent a TONNE and had far more "misses" than hits in the market. Think of all Lerner's money wasted on such gems as: Davies, Heskey, Knight, Harewood, Salifou, Routledge, Shorey, Maloney, etc. Have we even gotten a fair return from the money spent of the likes of Cuellar, Reo-Coker and Delph yet? So far, his only real "hits" have been A. Young (who we also dropped a mint on), Dunne (perhaps his best "value for money" signing), Petrov (though I don't think he's ever played up to the level of hype we were given when getting him), and Milner for the short time we had him... |
Faccundo
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... Randy Ellis has seized our club - yes I've been going on about it for years now, yes I've been criticised by General PR spies like Longhorn for saying it and yes it is still true. 18m quid, disappeared in his back pocket never to be seen again. Ashley Young Spurs bound in January, Carew and Gabby parked on the block with an attractive "For Sale" sign written by our loss of MON and failure to appoint a credible manager. Randy Ellis has changed the goal posts numerous times over the course of his five year plan - the most famous being denial that the 5-year plan existed at all. Then it's gone from: 1) Champions League and European glory to European football to "sustainable existence"; 2) 30m quid players to "sell to buy" 3) "sell to buy" to let me keep that 18m quid and I have to lower the wage bill Scapegoats for Liar Lerner and General PR: VILLA LEGENDS MON AND K-MAC I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND SO HAS FAT KEV: RANDY ELLIS OUT NOW BEFORE WE GET RELEGATED MON left bea |
barnie
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... I a bit tired of hearing we improved last season under MON,he brought in six players for a bucket load of cash and gave them fortunes in wages beye who he decided wasn't good enough after 5 minutes 2 central defenders when 1 would have done and a left back who is looking very dodgy,another winger with a broken foot and a young lad from the third tier,and what did we get for all this outlay 2 more points.Mr O'Neil i'm afraid is financially inept and for the sake of villas long rm future i'm glad he's gone |
TheDiamond
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... It's wrong to suggest that we stood still under O'Neill. Firstly out points tally increased each season. 42 to 50 to 60 to 62 to 64. Obviously the closer you get to the top of the table the harder is is to increase your points tally greatly but we were doing it slowly but surely. The 64 points we got last season would have been enough for 5th the season before. Secondly Spurs and Man City only overtook us by spending more. O'Neill's reign came during a period of unprecedented investment by other clubs which were extremely difficult to compete with. It wasn't a case of O'Neill not being able to take us further. It's Randy Lerner that can't take us any further. |
kohoutek
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... I agree, Damian. Whether or not we think KM is the man for the job, it's obviously been thrust upon him, and he doesn't want to lose these games any more than we do. On a different note, I actually laughed when I read "Lerner lover" hurled as an epithet on the last thread. |
Olaze
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... Does anyone else find it unacceptable that Randy & Co are allowing Kev Mac to manage YET ANOTHER GAME that happens to be against Everton? Why not just hand them the 3 points right now? At least that will save us another 6-0 humiliation with a better goal difference. I mean really. What the hell is Randy playing at? Any resaonable club would quickly hire a respectable manager if things turned out this bad. There's no manager to sack so it wouldn't cost a penny! But Randy? He cares nothing more than hoping Kev Mac to do the job (no chance now thankfully) and the transfer closing just on time. That's his priority. His made no effort of getting a strong cailbur manager if that's what you're all thinking. Our yank friend has been found out. Dark times ahead. |
MoodyVilla
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... Reasons why we lost the game: Agbonlahor pulling a muscle Petrov missing a penalty Heskey missing a f**king tap in Davies with his ridiculous failed passback that went for a goalscoring corner Habib Beye taking on the world and giving the ball away with ten minutes left that left him out of position for a goal Not so bad: Ashley Young's behaviour on the pitch is no doubt bore out of passion and frustration, but I do think it gets tiresome...the arguing I mean. Played well for the whole game in my opinion so that bodes well. Ireland was a bloody revelation. Anonymous and rusty on sunday, but really part of things tonight. A huge progression in such short time, but still rusty. Encouraging. Albrighton really does look the real deal. Excellent when called upon....again. Very encouraging. We have to see the good points, points that will help lure a new helmsman to our club. Kevin is doing well for a guy thrown in at the deep end. I only worry he is too popular with the players and it is clear we need someone inspiring, yet also administering discipline. The kind of discipline that would have prevented the last two goals against us tonight. We have quality, but we have lost discipline, stubbornness and grit. Qualities that defined us under O'Neill. He is a loss, but we may gain other qualities from a new manager. It needs to be an influential figure, although don't take me as meaning well known' or 'popular with the fans', not Macdonald unless we draw a line under this season and give him some money to spend in the summer. We will lose Gabby and Ashley if we carry on like this. We were unlucky tonight, but we let it slip and became the instigators of our own bad luck. Like at the weekend we started well only to fade again. We started better but faded just as dramatically. Cuellar however is not a RB, Coker is not a right winger and Heskey is not a striker and the sooner any manager of my team realises this the f**king better. Bradley/ Klinsman/ Jol/Macdonald/Maradonna/ Curbishley/Eriksson/ Lambert/ Southgate/Hughes... I don't give two s**ts as long as we start winning again. We were clunky and predictable under Mon, but we did win games. We need to get much tighter at the back and stop making basic defensive errors before the passing or football improve. We scored two good goals tonight, but still lost. You have to stop losing games before you start winning them. |
NY Villan
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... Damian: The type of post by Mostyn surely is what we want to deter. Seems to be like some IP blocking might be in order |
NY Villan
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... On the Hitzfled rumour, I would love this to be true. Tactically very sound, experienced and disciplined. Come on Ottmar! |
Spencer112
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... We need to get Martin Jol in fast. He is the best of the bunch. Whatever it takes Randy. If not Sven. |
Shash_VILLAN
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... expected a victory. AGREED WITH DAMIAN. HOPE a new manager arrives soon and expecting some good transfers before the end of the transfer window. |
Alan fron Aussie
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... Poor old Macdonald, a week is a long time in football - 3-0 v west ham and all of you were saying he was the best thing since sliced bread - my god how things have changed, what if we beat Everton are you ALL going to say that now we need him. I'm not saying for one minute he is the best manager in the world, but put the blame where it should go - LERNER first then maybe MON, but we will never know the real reason he left. |
villaman
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... Just on my way to work, what a great day I'm going to have with all the f**king bluenoses lol oh well ay lads.. Things can only get better..Cant they?? Utv, in ASTON VILLA we trust. lol |
Nigel
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... Petrov's right! We look like sheep without a Shepard. Isn't it obvious that Mac doesn't want the job? Over to to you Randy! |
VillaNick
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... Curtis Davies! He was dreadful. I am also seeing why MON never played Beye. BUT Its the goalkeeper Im concerned about, the Brad's are having a nightmare. |
gazza01
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... Kevin Keegan anyone? He'd be ok without that t**t Dennis Boz eyed Wise as director of football. Now that would be a roller coaster ride |
Villa_thru_n_thru
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... Really frustrated after last night's game! ST holder, who was surrounded by part-time villa fans. I'm not the biggest fan of Heskey (which is an understatement to say the least - he offers NOTHING!), and was talking to the lads I go with...when Heskey scored, the lady in front of me turned round and was gestering and saying 'oh heskeys scored etc, he's rubbish isnt he'. Told her as a ST holder, i have to watch that s*&t week in week out, you come to the games because it's cheap - not because your a supporter. Not turn round, and shut up! She soon shut up! Anyways, back to the point... Wrong team picked tonight - wrong positions. i thought KMac was an intelligent guy - but he is picking up where MON left off. He has had the opportunity to make a mark, pick a fresh team, pick players in position... Beye - sorry mate - but you're not good enough for this club. Playing in position, or out of position. You are just not good enough. Silly errors at the back, sloppy passing, poor attitude - combined with no direction/leadership on the pitch is a recipe for disaster. And that's exactly what we got last night. Taking the lead twice, and loosing it again at home, is scandalous. I don't but into the fact that KMac is exempt from criticism - yes, he is doing it because he was asked - but he is, at present, our manager and should be accountable for the team on the pitch. We need leadership, we need players who will play for the shirt...at the moment, Super Marc is the only player last night that looked like he really wanted it. Our big names just didn't perform again and it was left to Albrighton to lift the crowd.... Not good enough. Let's get rid of the illustions of grandeure, and realise we are a struggling side at the moment. MON did a great job for the club when he was here, but has dropped us in the brown stuff for sure. I will always support the villa, whatever happens. But I want to see the players play for the shirt!!!!!!!!! |
HS300
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... I have seen Beye play a lot and before coming to Villa he was very capable and more importantly a RIGHT back. MONs decision to never make changes is well documented and as a resuly Beye hasn't had much playing time over the last 12 months yet you all expect him to come if from the wilderness and play a stormer...whilst out of position!!! |
Chiefy
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... Right I am going to have a little rant: At the moment I can some up our beloved in club in one word: EMBARRASSING Lerner - Yes you have backed MON, yes you have put in millions no one is talking that away from you but our club needs either a huge massive one off investment or continued and prolonged investment. Your indecision and your decision to allow someone to be indecisive about their position is quite frankly ridiculous. Who is available I hear you say? well why don't you right yourself a list of the people you want weather it be Jose, Fergie , Jol or Keane then work you way through the list phoning the respective clubs and asking for permission to talk to them. PAY what you have to to get the man YOU want, if not dont make do for the sake of making do. Players - You also fall under this category. WTF some of you are on I have no idea, Davies, Beye, Heskey, Sidwell in will be a bright day in the future and rebirth of our club as a super power once more when YOU NEVER put a Villa shirt on again. Perhaps you players that moaned you never get a chance are beginning to show us fans why you never got a chance, because your s**tE. Senior players Petrov, Young, Collins, Cuellar you all need to grab the game by the balls and make everyone play instruct them, shout at them slap them if you have to but you cant carry on letting the team implode then spouting out trip after the event, do it during the damn game or at half time. Fans - Unfortunately we to fall into this category, we where at home, it was our back garden and yet they travelled hundreds of miles and SHOWED us up. Holte end? really? one of the biggest and best stands in europe? bunch of pussycats. Their fans where immense and even quite intimidating, being intimated by the away fans is ridiculous!! They showed us what proper support is, what proper love for your club is all about! In conclusion it starts and ends with Lerner, Lerner you can change everything the fans, by giving them the appointment, the signings even the free flags which will make them return make them want to sign, chant and support. The players by getting rid of the s**te and giving your appointment the funds to by the players which will excite and most importantly win. I applaud you for what you have done up till now Lerner but now, what you do, what you say and who you appoint will shape our future for years to come I hope for your sake you get this right. Your history in sports management is questionable ask the Browns put Football is a different beast all together I hope get this right, and the MORAL is always have a plan B !! Rant over |
Villa_Chris
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... As angry, sad or embarrassed you may feel after last nights game, admit it..... You pissed yourself with laughter when Davies belted the ball towards goal to concede the corner too. He should never have the privileged to put on a Villa shirt again. Its actually cringe-worthy watching him. |
Chiefy
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... Villa Chris - I did have a little wee I think he was trying to play the ball against there player trying to be clever, when we all no he is a thick t**t so why he didnt just play it safe I will never no |
CSM
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... Am I the only one that actually thought we played ok last night. Thwe goals were sloppy but we were passing the ball around nicely and looked good going forward, especially in the 2nd half. I thought Ireland played well. |
Villa_Chris
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... And that isn't a comment that I've made just going on last night. He'll never be good enough for premiership football. Clark looks like twice the player already. AK_27 I know you agree with me on this one. Did you laugh? |
Graymo
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... Give the manager a break. He's inherited a squad and he needs to experiment to find his best formation/ setup. We moaned that MON had his favourites and didn't utilise the squad but KM has done that. He has give the moaners and opportunity to show that they deserve a place in the side and you know what, from last nights performance some of them don't. I expect KM to give them one or two more opportunities to show what they can do and if they don't deliver then he can stick them on the bench and it will be justified. Emphasis has to be on Curtis Davies, Habib Beye and Nigel Reo-Coker. I feel sorry for KM because he needs an opportunity to bring in some talent. MON wasted a lot of our transfer kitty on mediocre crud and KM is having to pick up the pieces. When we have our best back four playing we WILL be much better than that. As previously mentioned there are some that simply aren't good enough but I think it's good that he's giving them their chance- whether or not they take it that is down to them and currently the few mentioned are failing. I think we should get behind KM. It's not his fault Curtis Davis had the touch and composure of an 8 year old school boy last night. Once we have our best defence back in place the midfield will eventually gel and we will start seeing more attacking threat and less weak goals conceded. I believe that we still need a good striker, to get a player in to replace Beye and Davies (who should both probably be shown the door), and possible one creative midfield player. Let's back the manager- it's the players that have let us down. Let him give them their chance then don't be surprised to see them sitting on the bench for the rest of the season. Besides, I'm not liking the look of the other managers- with the exception of the bulldog of course. Martin Jol would definately be my man if it doesn't work out for KM. |
Prime time
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... Did anybody see the ball boy knock out there goal keeper and then cheered. I laughed my ass off. |
GGGG
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... CSM, I agree - I thought we played okay overall. It was the defensive errors that cost us, along with the fact that they know how to take their chances and we don't. The lack of confidence in front of goal cost us the game, and that's been the case far too often for the last 20 months. MON was either unable or unwilling to fix it, and without a goalscorer or a new manager coming in I can see us struggling big time this autumn. This defeat wasn't down to KMAC, it was down to the players and down to MON leaving when he did. |
CSM
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... I think we will beat Everton on Sunday. Hopefully, Dunne and Collins will play and that will sure things up. They look alot stronger together than when only one of them plays. Webcam is due a goal, and Gabby will be up for this. |
DavidC
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... Just to second what Damian said. I know its hard. But perspective please. Sizeable majority of us were calling for Kevin Mc to get the job permanently less than two weeks ago. People thought we'd sweep all before us just because we had got a manager who wasn't 'blinkered' and was prepared to try new things. It never was that simple. It never will be. A bad week. A terrible week in fact. But no need to get suicidal. |
Chiefy
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...Skipper Stiliyan Petrov branded Aston Villa's failure to qualify for the Europa League as "unacceptable" Petrov this is the second time in a week you have come out and said this. It does not matter who is in charge Jose or postman pat if you can see this why dont you grow a pair and sort it out ?? Its all right saying it now you clown when the event has passed why dont you do something during the game? if something aint working tell the manager get it changed. What Kmac was thinking when Gabby went off and we left Heskey upfront on his own, the hopes of the club fell on EMULEs shoulders, I said to my mate if they score we are fcuked and low and behold. What I dont get is everyone Pearce, Kmac, MON and some of you lot bang on about how good Fonz is yet no body is willing to play him what is all that about ?? |
TheDiamond
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... While I agree that ultimately, as the clubs owner, Lerner is responsible for the Villa being a bit of a shambles right now, why isn't anyone pointing the finger at our chief executive Paul Falkner? This is the man who signed off on the contracts and transfer payments that lead to the clubs financial woes. He is also the man chiefly responsible for the search for MON's replacement. |
Chiefy
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...why isn't anyone pointing the finger at our chief executive Paul Falkner have you seen him ?? he will eat ya if you piss him off |
Villa_Chris
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... GGGG You're right, we played some good football last night and there were some good performances. We've got too many liabilities in defence and its beginning to get on my tats. I have no confidence in Davies or Beye, and have my doubts about Guzan too. Some positives for me: Gabby- Looked a threat throughout- hope he's fit for Sunday. Reo-Coker- Had a stormer if you ask me. His all round game was good and surprised me. Albrighton- Excellent performance AGAIN. Top player he'll be. Heskey- Looked up for it and played well (excluding first 20-30 mins whereby I forgot he was playing) Petrov- Had a great game if you forget his penalty miss. Ireland- Played some superb balls and looked very tidy. |
GGGG
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... Spot-on Chiefy - missing a penalty is unacceptable. Attitude & bottle on the pitch is what's needed, not whingeing after the event. |
Villa_Chris
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...It was also bad news for Rangers, as Rapid's progress to the group stages means new Ibrox striker Nikica Jelavic is cup tied for their Champions League campaign. Ahhhh, fookin boo hoo!! Serves you right for putting us out last year you big girls blouse! |
Luckynumber7
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... deary me. I didn't get on here last night - having been at the match - but all I can say is deary me. You can pick holes all through the performance but ultimately you have to go through if you score two and have a penalty at home, against a side like RV. Beye was shocking; almost entirely responsible for two if not three of the goals. Little Brad is a long way from being a decent keeper - although I really thought he was pretty close until this season. Al in all - gutted. Another really tough struggle for european football and yet again we are dumped out before we got started. I think KM is big enough to admit that he isn't up to it but are some of the players? Positives. SI settled and looked a good player - better to come. NRC worked hard and drove the team on. Gabby came back and got a goal! Negatives - too many to mention. |
.vogra
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... I thought after a nights sleep my anger would have subsided after last night, well it hasnt... It's a good job i haven't got a cat because that women who dumped it in the bin would have nothing on me today...a swift piledriver onto the floor would have been the call of the day.. |
Lockey89
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... Just shocking, so glad i didnt watch the match! for once i had a good ngith watching a chick flick with the misses, even that s**t is better then the s**t on villa tops atm!. |
Luckynumber7
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...Lockey89 said: regardless of the result - watching a chick flick when Villa is on is g@y |
Chiefy
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... Lockey89 - picture of the krays as your avatar and you have just admitted to watching a chick flick instead of your team, oh dear hahaha |
PhilVilla
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... I thought Ireland should have stepped up to take the penalty, when I saw Petrov was taking it I feared the worst and Heskey with the rebound... Jesus Christ unbelievable. What the F**k Davies and Beye were doing I'll never know. Problem is who will want to come and manage us or play for us after the last 2 shambolic performances?? Apart from Sven the money grabbing B*****d |
The Burp
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...regardless of the result - watching a chick flick when Villa is on is g@y very true |
ak_27
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...And that isn't a comment that I've made just going on last night. He'll never be good enough for premiership football. Clark looks like twice the player already. Yes i did. Until they scored from the corner. Then i abused the f**k out of him. I think my neighbours musthave thought i was murdering someone in the appartment last night. |
.vogra
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... I feel sorry for the fans who went last night, waiting for the buses in the pouring rain,taking hours to get home, and there's the players a nice bath,chill out,then jumping in there plush porches driving home while creaming us off for 40k a week.... |
PhilVilla
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... Oh and another thing, Guzan should have saved the header but if we had someone on the post it would have been cleared anyway. |
.vogra
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... ak_27 Until they scored from the corner. Then i abused the f**k out of him. I think my neighbours musthave thought i was murdering someone in the appartment last night. Too right, i was headbutting the wall when they scored from that corner, i have a bruise on my forehead, the women who I sit opposite at work asked me where i got it from, had to come out with the old walking into a door horsesh*t.. |
ak_27
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...Am I the only one that actually thought we played ok last night. Thwe goals were sloppy but we were passing the ball around nicely and looked good going forward, especially in the 2nd half. I agree. There were some positives and until the team lost shape we looked very dangerous. But i'll keep harping back to my point that a team does not fuction correctly without proper full backs playing in both positions on their correct sides. Its a fundamental of football and something this club has totally taken for granted. This is a legacy of MON it has to be said. Also we should pay whatever it takes to get Parker to the club. We need him. Give them Heskey, Davies and Beye and £5m. Id put NRC in this bundle as well but they wouldn't want him back. |
Timmyrara
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...we stopped making progress. we stood still That is the biggest bag of horse ejaculate I have ever read! We did not stand still, we progressed the only problem is the teams above us also progressed and all those teams have a much greater pulling power to attract top players than the Villa do. Over the past three seasons we have done exceptionally well to even compete with the "big boys". Your conclusion that MON took us as far as he could is nothing but short sighted naivity. Pathetic! |
Villa_Chris
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...Until they scored from the corner. Then i abused the f**k out of him. I think my neighbours musthave thought i was murdering someone in the appartment last night. Same here! |
vivavilla
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... Sorry but I agree with Damien. I think the facts are firmly there that O'Neill took as far as his stubborn approach to the game could. How many times does it take throwing away a golden opportunity to reach the next level before you realise it's never going to happen? |
john r bates
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... ok bad night a shot of randys face on camera said more than a thousand words yes a realisation that he has taken the club as far as he can with the money that he's got, yes even Randy who by any standards is a rich man, has come to the conclusion that he can't afford to take us to the next level, so what doe's he do now ? |
jimboAVFC
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... the game last night really highlighted just how much we are going to rely on gabby this season. first half, we played well, looked threatening and gab scored a great goal. then he goes off and we have nothing up front. also, about getting a manager in. some people need a reality check, throwing names around like huddink and scolari. THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. i think people need to accept the fact the k-mac will be the manager for the foreseeable future and we won't get any further new signings until january. grin and bear it lads cause it's going to be an extremely long season. |
Chiefy
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...With penalties you either score or you miss. I missed Petrov you are captain for crying out loud, you are obviously not the brains of the operation |
Jacko33
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... I initially wanted K-Mac to be given a chance and you go on about us having to give him respect, but very simply we're all hurting now mainly because he decided to rest Warnock and Friedel. Why the flying f*ck would you do that when a European tie is on the line?? Beye was played out of position and had a shocker, Friedel wouldve saved their 2nd goal. All that fight for 6th place dissappears immediately. Its very basic team selection - WTF K-MAC?! |
vivavilla
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...also, about getting a manager in. some people need a reality check, throwing names around like huddink and scolari. THIS IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. I wouldn't touch Scolari with a Peter Crouch-sized pole. The man nearly single handedly ruined Chelsea. |
Villa_Chris
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..."I have been involved for two goals. But sometimes it is like that in football. You want to do your best and it doesn't work. Hats off to the man. |
Chiefy
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... Habib Habib Habib "I am sorry for the boys because I think I was responsible for two goals. What can I say? |
Andy
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... The fact of he matter is we need a complete overall of the Villa team. We need to ship out a lot of the MON signings. Collins is not good enough...Sorry to those that like Collins, but he just ball watches. I don't need to list the MON signings that need to go, because we all know who they are. KMac or another manager will need to start working to reshape the team. I'd take a step back this season and write it off now (which I think will happen regardless) to rebuld the team and the way we play. Get this team attcking and playing football, which to be fair we have already in only three games, and get a solid back line then we will have a team to really challenge. Some people need to realise we need to move on from MON and play different football. It is inevitable that we will play different football because another manager won't play football like MON did. Unfortunately the reshaping has come at a time that has not be convenient has it. Thanks for that MON. The chicken s**t, dipping out on us with 5 days to go. You MONettes really need to see that your messiah left you in the lerch when the going got as little tough for him. Bottler O'Neill. |
frosty
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...How many times does it take throwing away a golden opportunity to reach the next level before you realise it's never going to happen? Viva I agree but would you rather be a nearly club or a nowhere near club? It's early days yet but we've shipped in nearly 10 goals against Vienna and Newcastle, thats a joke. AK - Scott Parker on the radio this morning sounding less than impressed, you never know. I'm off to practice taking penalties without taking a run up.. |
ak_27
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...Hats off to the man. I take it that was Beye commenting on lat night? I actually feel sorry for beye in a way. How often has he actually been given the chance to play in his correct position? He is not a LB or a CB to be honest. |
jimboAVFC
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... andy, are you crazy!? get rid of collins!!!! collins and dunne were one of the best defence partnerships in the league last season!!! granted we need to get rid of some deadwood.....but not collins!! |
StephenC
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... Did anyone else notice that we only had one man on the post for the corner which we conceded from? If we had a player on that near post we wouldn't of conceded. Its only a small point but it was something I noticed in the Newcastle game also. All last season Ashley Young would of been standing there so its obviously something which KMD has changed. |
AVFC-4-LIFE
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... can someone please tell me why when gabby took his knock and was substituted we bought on albrighton?? I cannot see for the life of me why this happened. Don't get me wrong he's a great player with a big future ahead of him, but considering we were playing well enough with 4-4-2 why change that. Also who made stan penalty taker?? every1 knows u will never score with a 2 yard run up, NEVER!! and Heskeys miss after it was disgracefull, how the bloke is classed as a professional footballer is beyond me. Utter rubbish last nite, we deserved better as fans. Its easy after loosing last nite to blame not having a manager as a reason for why we are playing this bad (petrov), when after the toon game it was down to us being naive and we were going to bounce bak a play like we did against west ham!! where was that fighting spirit then stan?? what happended to playing to show the fans what we are really about, cus on that performance and newcastle we're terrible!! Never gona stop supporting the villa, always thro the best and worst times, but the players we employ get paid staggering amounts of money and if i was in there shoes i'd be ashamed to even pick up my paycheck at the end of the week!!! gona b 1 long painfull season if this doesnt get sorted very VERY soon!! UTV SOTC!!! |
vivavilla
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... frosty When you're a nearly club like Villa, the signs are there that the club can move up a level, with the right pieces in place. There's absolutely nothing to say another manager can't come along, spend the same money MON spent but use some more modern approaches to the game, and lift us up to the next level. I'd rather take that risk to be honest, because I'm quite sure we would have regressed under O'Neill this season anyway. He had his chances and he couldn't do it. He wasn't going to get another one. |
Leroy
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... http://newsarse.com/2010/08/27...+Newsarse+(Newsarse.com) this ones for Chiefy, Chris, AK 27 et al..... |
Lockey89
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...regardless of the result - watching a chick flick when Villa is on is g@y well it was her birthday and tbh after aitting there at st james park i cant bring my self to watch atm. |
meangene
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... A positve from last night was Stephan Ireland, he was amazing for about 25 mins in that first half. Great first touch, played a lot of intelligent, direct, probing passes and rarely lost possesion or misplaced a pass. He is going to be a very important player for the new manager. He is on his way to full fitness now |
Lockey89
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...Chiefy said:i like  |
Luckynumber7
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... what I'd give for some unrealistic optimism right now. hey Damo? 6th? 6th is pipe dream. Gutted. Transitional year? FFS Villa - act. Sort this out and quick before the season is dead. |
Leroy
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...Chiefy said: 100% agree with every word spoken here. As ive mentioned earlier, it comes down to rebuilding the sqaud now. The previous manager (i cannot bring myself to say the name) has assembled the team accoding to his strengths......man management. Only he could get the most out of this bunch, therefore, as much as it pains me to say this, when the new manager is brought in, this season will become real life trials..... Meaning most spots up for grabs and (hopefully) this means talented players make the team others shipped out or contracts left to expire with a view to next summer whewre we may be able to attack the player market with some agression. This is why i would hope that Sven be appointed, as he has pull with players and has vast knowledge of the english game. |
Mowgs
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... At least we know why O'Neill didn't play the likes of Davies, Beye and NRC. Sadly what we'll never know is why the hell he signed them. Davies and NRC cost approx £18m between them. It hurts. A lot. |
PhilVilla
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... Does anyone actually think we will have a manager or any new players in before the deadline??? I had a massive pay cut last year and my missus told me not to renew my season tickets so I promptly popped out and did it to the tune of £770. How much stick do you think I'm getting now?? |
Rick_Eight
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... What ann absolute disgrace it was last night. Anyone who sticks up for Davies after that needs their head testing, I would go as far to say that he is the worst defender (after Boumsong) to play in the premiership! Decisions awful and positioning worse than that! With him and Beye in the same defence how are we likely to win? let alone keep a clean sheet. As for Ashley Young as our dead ball specialist dont get me started. And Stan missing from 12 yard out with Emules follow up, what a JOKE! The whole night a Joke and a disgrace! Anyone want to disagree with that? |
frem
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... something that worried me last night was our center midfield. if one of petrov or reo gets injured, we have knowone to replace them. sidwell isn't good enough. ireland cant play there role and did we actually have an out an out center midfielder on the bench ? we need one this summer to add depth and competition. i think its obvious to everyone ( apart from randy, are scouts etc ) that robbie keane is available. we need a striker and keane is good and would only help us. so randy, stop pissing about and get the cash out. villa seriously need it. your not at a joke club, your at aston villa football club so pull your finger out |
chelt-villan
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... lads we were awfull last nite i wouldnt say no to sven now anyone know how long dunne and gabby are out 4? |
ak_27
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...i think its obvious to everyone ( apart from randy, are scouts etc ) that robbie keane is available. we need a striker and keane is good and would only help us. I think we could be waiting untilt he last minute to get keane. he is not worth more then 5/6m now IMO and paying anything more would be stupid and i feel that Spurs will hold out for more until very late in the window. We still badly need that link up striker as many times last night our strikers couldn't take good passes to feet and control them instantly. Keane could do this for us. Plus if we have Heskey as our number 3 striker then we are in big trouble. |
ak_27
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...if one of petrov or reo gets injured, we have knowone to replace them. sidwell isn't good enough. Yeah we are short in this department as well. Personally i think Jimmy Bullard could offer us back up at the very least here on loan until Delph is fit again. |
frem
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... we have been linked with flamini for 6 million before. hed be perfect. cheap, a tough tackler and good on the ball. hed work well alongside petrov or reo. i think tuncay is a good player as well. links up, has creativity and gets his fair share of goals |
ak_27
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...we have been linked with flamini for 6 million before. hed be perfect. cheap, a tough tackler and good on the ball. hed work well alongside petrov or reo. Id be happy wth both. Tuncay would realy suit us. |
Chiefy
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...Rumours are suggesting that Switzerland coach Ottmar Hitzfeld is the manager Villa have chosen to be their new boss.  probably end up with Dowie or some other clown though |
NY Villan
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... Someone on here said something quite insightful yesterday (it must have been a fluke ) We are going to have to undo some of the MON ways before we can move on with more progressive football. The players have been ingrained with this for four or so years now, and it is not going to get reversed in a week or two. One step backwards, two steps forward. MON was very good at motivating and cajoling players, but this isn't enough. This reflects the general malaise in British football over the past 10 years: we can huff and puff, play at 100 mph but we can't hold onto the ball. Villa's ball retention and possession over the last few years has been awful, professionals who can't seem to pass 10 yards to another professional in the same coloured shirt ten yards away. We need to get back to the times when we could pass the ball around, keep possession..the Townsend and Houghton days. This is why Milner was such a key player for MON: he could hustle, run all day and that's vital when the team is spending 75% of the time chasing the ball. If we revert to actually taking care of the football, this chasing mentality becomes less important...we get less tired, less pressure on the defence as the ball doesn't come right back at you every minute or two. I don't believe KM is the right man for the Villa job, but he has started to get the team to actually play football again. This will come in time if we stick at it, and we need to get a manager in who will play football this way. We've actually got some players who will fit this in the end: Ireland, Delph, Albrighton, Young....now we need to get a better striker, and a destroyer in midfield who can also pass the ball |
ak_27
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...We need to get back to the times when we could pass the ball around, keep possession..the Townsend and Houghton days. I agree but they had players like Saunders and Yorke up top to pass to whereas we have Carew, Gabby and Heskey who all have their own strenghts but none are really technically gifted on the floor. That link is something we need. |
jpet
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... OK, people say show some respect, ok, try this out for size, KM didn't ask for the job, but he took it as caretaker so that puts him in the loop, RL let's Barry go, lets Milner go, LETS OF ALL PEOPLE MON GO, and now we have a fully blown crisis going on full blast. The team are playing with no ambition, no enthusiasm, no courage, no hope, they are UNHAPPY ABOUT SOMETHING, WHAT COULD IT BE?????? RANDY LERNER, YOU NEED TO GET BOTH OF YOUR FEET ON THE GROUND AND DO IT RIGHT. REMEMBER YOUR LETTING DOWN THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR HERE , THE FANS, THE SUPPORTERS, we count more than the money you keep talking about. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE HEAT GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN. And what did MON want from you, ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE THE TEAM STRONGER, you said NO, and look what you've put us into. WELL DONE |
Alan fron Aussie
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... Just read where macdonald is still thinking about the job ??? -How long does it take for crying out loud ???? THIS WILL GO ON TILL TUESDAY, then it's to late anyway to buy anyone. Hope i'm wrong but it may well be plan from Lerner ??? |
Salty
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... I just didn't understand the selection last night. We looked more composed in Vienna with the kids. If Cuellar [overlap, then pass back]plays RB again I will scissor my season card [OK, I won't, but you get the drift]. We were back to the datk days of MON last season. The guy can't run and he can't pass. I can see that, 30,000 others can see it, why can't the coaches see it? What was wrong with giving Lichaz another chance? Why Beye at LB? Why Davies [if Cuellar must play, why not at CB?] Why Young central when the lesson from WHU [and the past century] was that wingers win matches? The RV defence was poor last week, but we hardly tested them on the flanks except for the goal [point made] and Albrighton at the death. Why 4-4-2 when we don't have the players to shut out a 4-5-1- formation? Why Heskey? Why R-C? Why, why,why....? |
Luckynumber7
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... we lost last night trying to play football in the wrong areas. I don't want O'Neill back (although I would take him) but I want winning boring football back FCUK sexy football - I want 6th and a shot at CL, FA Cup, League Cup. Bring me a manager that can win games, please. |
.vogra
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... Rick_Eight - I'm glad you brought that up about no-one on the near post for the second goal, i completly forgot about that...awful,schoolboy football...wasn't everyone taught that at basic level, a man on each post for a corner.. |
ak_27
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...RL let's Barry go, lets Milner go, LETS OF ALL PEOPLE MON GO Seriously i really wonder about some people. Barry wanted to leave - Lerner had no choice Milner wanted to leave - Lerner had no choice MON Walked out on us - Lerner had no choice. Lerner has been dumped in it by MON and there are f**k all GOOD managers out there at the moment that can be easily pursuaded to come here on short notice. Jesus people can you not try and use your brains for a minute. |
gazza01
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... Does anyone agree that a little passion on the touch line conveys to the pitch? MON had this in abundance and I do think it drives the taem when things arn't going your way. Sitting there with your arms folded a la O'Leary doesn't inspire. |
rocky5
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... jpet said And what did MON want from you, ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE THE TEAM STRONGER, you said NO, and look what you've put us into. WELL DONEi would have told him no if he`d of asked me for 10 mill for Mcceady too |
Chiefy
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...Does anyone agree that a little passion on the touch line conveys to the pitch [/quote |
Luckynumber7
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... Chiefy - I do agree. They wanted it more. But I think that confidence, even for the fans, is low. It's indicative of the position of Aston Villa. We thought it should be a stroll until we realised we weren't good enough and then we surrendered to them on the pitch and in the stands. Very sad. |
Andy
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... All this crap Petrov is coming out with saying he needs to know who the new manager is and it has to be quick. When MON walked out of the door Petrov was saying they are not concerned with managerial matters and they were just interested in the football. Now all of a sudden, because he took a s**t penalty and has captained a team in two poor performances he's moaning. One thinks he's trying to lay blame elsewhere to overshadow his own cock ups..! |
Celtic_Villan
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... i cant stand this talk about beye being a not being a left back. its rubbish! any professional footballer should be able to play on the alternate flank with ease. how protected are these pre madonnas? its ridiculous! |
ak_27
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...Now all of a sudden, because he took a s**t penalty and has captained a team in two poor performances he's moaning. One thinks he's trying to lay blame elsewhere to overshadow his own cock ups..! Andy that was the first thing that came into my head as well last night when he made that comment. He was trying to deflect the flack away from himself. |
doubledown9
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... I would still stick with Kev Mac, the team have showed flashes of the good football we all want. Everyone seems to be forgetting that it was not just MON that left, but his entire back-room staff. We are missing a first team coach and whatnot, therefore the manager and what remains of the Youth / Reserve set-up are having to run the entire club (First/Reserve/Youth) all at the same time. We looked good first half, until we lost Gabby. Some of the Manager's decisions were however, a little misguided. The defense needs to be sorted, that is the number 1 priority between now and Sunday, hopefully we can have a back 4 of: Young/Collins (or Cuellar)/ Dunne / Warnock, it is obviously our best option. Beye I think is being unfairly demonized on here, he was playing out of position, albeit in a position he has played in before and at points looked solid enough (first half) and gave a genuine threat going forward. As for his being at fault for the two goals, I would argue that he made a bad call in not putting his laces through one clearance and was caught out of position for the other. However, looking at many modern full backs, other than the very top class (A Cole) they are always getting caught out of position (Johnson) and it is the responsibility of the CBs to cover and in the case of both goals adequately pick up the runners. I lay the blame squarely at Collins and Davies. The defense was poorly organized, and for this the senior CB (Collins) should take some responsibility. Their first goal came from a left sided near post cross, admittedly Beye should have gone as Damo would call it Retro with a big boot, however, but the closest player to the header was Cuellar who was playing at RB. Where were Collins and Davies I ask you? Their second goal came from a corner, we had a man on the far post, not the near post, that goal does not happen with a man on the near. Who is organizing this stuff on the pitch? For their third goal, yes Beye was out of position, but Collins, Davies and Cuellar allow two Rapid players to stroll into our penalty area unopposed and promptly fail to pick them up prior to the cross coming in. You can criticize Heskey, Beye and Petrov all you want, but it was nevertheless, Beye who struck a difficult volley to create Villa's second goal, which Heskey did really well to turn in and in the build up to this, Petrov nearly scored an outrageous flicked goal. Ireland looked good in flashes and at one point was really pulling the strings in midfield and looked great next to Petrov. He is obviously more creative than any of our midfielders. However, the decision to give him the full 90 when he is obviously unfit, having only played 60mins of pre season, was misguided. He faded second half and should have been replaced around he 70 mins mark, with maybe Bannan or Hogg coming on and NRC going into a more defensive role. Young looked lively, but still has premadonna tendencies. It seems we can only hope Gabby stays fit all year as we looked good with him on the pitch. |
doubledown9
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... continued Finding a way to put Ireland in the team with protection and sorting out defensive organization is paramount to our season. We must bear in mind that we have not played two games on the trot with the same back 5 for a long time and many of the players who have been brought in have not played in an even longer time. I feel we will have to play a 451 variant when everyone is available: ....................Brad..................... Young..Dunne..Cuellar...Warnock ....... Petrov...NRC...Ireland Albrighton....................Young ....................Gabby.................. Bench of: Delfouneso, Heskey, Brad, Beye, Collins, Downing, Bannan. (bringing in others, such as Baker & Hogg to rest and freshen) With rotation, this gives us natural width and flair as well as a sturdy spine, something we often lacked last year. NRC should be asked to do no more than defend and should not get into the final third, ever he is not tall enough to be of any use at set pieces, but is a great play wrecker and so should be left to mark an outlying striker at corners and freekicks. Taking the burden of going forward off him and with Petrov as the deeper of the other CMs means he can play a simple pass to someone better on the ball. NRC is obviously lacking confidence in his touch and what not, by easing him back into football in this purely tackling role, we might get him back to his best as he was a real driving force at West Ham, but is wasted on the wing or in a 442. Albrighton, despite what many on here have said, looks good on the left and could quite easily play there for periods during a game. He also looked good in a really advanced role last night, so why not play Ireland as a quarter back with Gabby/Young/Ireland making a roving front 3 into which players like Bannan and Downing could slot. It might look defensive with 3 deep midfielders, but if last night showed anything it is that Ireland will come very deep and demand the ball, playing to feet as much as possible, the team must therefore, be set up to allow him as much freedom as possible. If that means dropping one of Downing/Albrighton/Young then sobeit. Football management....DONE. |
Lockey89
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...Chiefy - I do agree. They wanted it more. But I think that confidence, even for the fans, is low.i do think its shocking how quiet we did go! i was not there but i two mates were and they said at a few stages the stands were dead and no one was hardly on there feet. and i wonder why people call us f****e haa! UTV |
Andy
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... Anyway, whats all this fuss about that cat in the bin. Top Cat lived in a bin for years |
Chiefy
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...i do think its shocking how quiet we did go! i was not there but i two mates were and they said at a few stages the stands were dead and no one was hardly on there feet. and i wonder why people call us f****e I am a season ticket holder in the Holte and the Holte is not as mighty as it used to be, Sing when you winning springs to mind. The only song that gets the noise level anywhere close is John Carew's, Sad really |
frosty
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...Who would you rather have - Davies and Beye or Boumsong and Bramble? Thats like comparing Lidl crisps with Netto crisps. |
Luckynumber7
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...frosty said: Incredible crisp knowledge Mr Frosty |
mon 4-5-1
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...Andy said: Just what you do not need from your captain. Can only imagine that if that was a John Terry, or Steven Gerrard they would have point blank said we are not good enough, and taken full responsibilty on there own shoulders. We need a new captain, again he was anonymous when he was needed the most, to guide the troops. On another point, at least on one opnion that playing Cueller and rightback makes us defensively stronger. That opnion was clearly put to bed last night. What we need is someone to organise the team, were we actually have a holding defensive midfielder. Of the current players we have, in my opnion only the following can play that role - . NRC . Warnock . Collins . Beye This really needs to be addressed as soon as possible, and were KMac got it wrong last night. |
Andy
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...I am a season ticket holder in the Holte and the Holte is not as mighty as it used to be, Sing when you winning springs to mind. The only song that gets the noise level anywhere close is John Carew's, Sad really Is this because weve not really been that entertained over recent years..? You get entertained and you sing and shout. You don't get entertained and you fall asleep. It's not exactly rocket science...! |
Villa_Chris
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... The Petrov slating continues. Seriously fellas, I thought he had a great game last night. |
Lockey89
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...I am a season ticket holder in the Holte and the Holte is not as mighty as it used to be, Sing when you winning springs to mind. The only song that gets the noise level anywhere close is John Carew's, Sad really Is this because weve not really been that entertained over recent years..? You get entertained and you sing and shout. You don't get entertained and you fall asleep. It's not exactly rocket science...!but being a football fan you take the s**t with the good, you sing all the time you shout you jump about, we sit here and say KM shoul boost the team but when your own fans are getting drowned out AT HOME ffs!! thats shocking! |
Andy
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...Seriously fellas, I thought he had a great game last night. Evidence that statement please Chris...! |
Villa_Chris
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... What Andy?!? Ok, give me a couple of hours and I'll go and make a video of clips of all the things he did well last night. Jesus Christ. |
frosty
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...Is this because weve not really been that entertained over recent years..? You get entertained and you sing and shout. You don't get entertained and you fall asleep. It's not exactly rocket science...! Andy thats shocking, how do you support your parents do you tell them they are old and smelly and take the piss out of the way they walk? |
RLancaster1
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... doubledown9 - agreed, except Kevin McDonald doesn't appear to be up to the demands of the job. I think these players need strong on-field tactical tuition. |
Chiefy
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...Is this because weve not really been that entertained over recent years..? You get entertained and you sing and shout. You don't get entertained and you fall asleep. It's not exactly rocket science...! Oh right, you only support when you are being entertained and oyu feel the display warrants your support ? DRIVEL You look at their fans last night we had them under the cosh and did they stop? You support your team, sometimes the team need the 12th man, when heads drop the fans can have an effect and our support helps the players more and has a huge influence. You should not have to be winning to support your team!! |
VillaDude
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... If Kev Mac had played the players in the correct positions, we would have scored a few more last night. Look where the first goal came from - young on the wing Look where most of our chances came from - young on the wing. Young needs to move back to the wing. This allows Ireland to assist the striker and Reo Coker and Petrov to be defensive midfielders. When albrighton came on, for this first 25 mins he was up top with Heskey! The tactics he is trying to use are too naive, he needs to stop being too clever and get the basics done. Reo coker on the right wing, Beye at left back - Is he really that stupid?! We are too big to experiment with a reserve team coach. |
mon 4-5-1
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... Villa_Chris Our best centre midfielder was Ireland by a country mile. He looked composed, and was inventive, and is getting better and better by the minute. We got a bargain, when he was bought for 8 million. NRC initially looked subdued, and prior to him being taken off i thought he was starting to get into the game, and making some good runs down the right side of the pitch. If NRC is given more match time, i think he will get better. Petrov on the other hand was not protecting the back four, or really busting a gut to get into the box as a attacking option. So extactly what is Petrov's role in the team? If you know please can you fill us in. |
Christian1983
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... Well, that was shocking. But some perspective please, IF we had scored the penalty or Heskey had followed it like any normal human-being, and IF Beye didn't make his horrendous individual errors that can't be accounted for AND if Davies didn't lash the ball over our own cross bar from the fullback position we WOULD have won the game. We were very comfortable, we were dictating the pace and all the play. But shocking, shocking individual error has cost us again (same could be said vs Newcastle, but I wont try to justify a six nil-er). Some of the players have let KMac down, not the other way around. Every team in the prem would've beaten those amateurs, but you can't legislate for paid professionals doing some of the things we saw. |
Chiefy
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...Our best centre midfielder was Ireland by a country mile. He looked composed, and was inventive, and is getting better and better by the minute. We got a bargain, when he was bought for 8 million totally agree he looked the business and is getting better Ireland is Superman, Ireland is Superman, Ireland is Superman |
Andy
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... Lockey and frosty...I was talking about in general. Also, fans are just human beings. It's just human nature that we have been subjected to negative football for so long that a lot of peoples energy for singing and shouting has waned somewhat pver the last year or so. Get your head round the fact that when we play badly or negatively fans will get pissed off and show that in being quiet. I bet even you two moan when we are playing badly. For your info my son and myself are season card holders and we sing and shout. I also sit there and moan when they are playing crap with no enthusiasm. I want Aston Villa to win and play good football. The better they play the loader I will be. It's a fact of human nature. You or I can't change it. |
Celtic_Villan
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... mon 451 irelnad doesnt work nearly hard enough. when he plays, we will always have to play 3 in the middle. i guess thats why you like him! he's got ability, for sure, but never tracks back. he aint got s**t on milner! nrc is awful with the ball - having good control and ability to make even short passes is a prerequisite for a central midfielder. he just isnt good enough. i would play him until we have someone better, but only because milner is gone. my opinion is, a tough central midfielder is the area in which we need the most urgent strengthening. or at least someone who will work their sock off an can pass the ball |
VillaDude
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... Ireland is wasted as defensive midfielder...again we have a player having to play two roles due to incapabilities of Petrov. Ireland playing deep, and Reo Coker & Petrov getting into the box...it needs reversing.. |
Villa_Chris
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... To be honest MON 4-5-1, I can't be bothered because people like you will always stick by their views when they've got it in for someone. Its all opinions and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convert you, its pointless, don't you think? |
Rowley Villain
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...If you want to vent your anger at someone, vent it at Randy Lerner What is your beef with Lerner Damian? He is chairman and has had no influence on the past 2 results. He has asked MacDonald to step in while he comes to a decision. The timing issue is down to MON leaving us in the lurch. Had he jumped right in and appointed anyone, YOU would be the 1st in the line to hammer him. Give Lerner some respect |
VillaDude
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... Reo Coker shouldnt be allowed to dribble or go pass 5 yards of the half way line.. He should tackle and distribute to petrov and ireland... That's all he's good at.. |
Damian
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... Rowley Villain i have no 'beef' with Lerner - but what has he actually given to Aston Villa? the answer you are looking for is nothing. if you come back with anything else, you've not thought about it all he has done is take. do you think o'neill left because they had reached the end of their initial plan and when he went back the new plan that lerner laid out was not good enough or do you think, with all this talk of 5 year plans, that lerner actually changed things? lerner hasput the club in more debt than it ever has been in one year, lerner took out more in management fees than ellis took out during his entire time at the club lerner is only here for himself and has no real interest in seeing aston villa successful - actions speak louder than words we need 'roots and branch' change |
Chiefy
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... Does anyone else think it is criminal that a professional footballer, regardless of where you play, can miss a penalty. Now once bad luck two in two weeks is pathetic !! Not acceptable |
Andy
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... Chiefy....Of course I support, whatever we are doing. Even if we are in the Unibond League....OK, seeing as I'm from Sheffield I may no longer be attending matches then...lol. However, as I've said the majority of the 40k plus fans in the stadium are not absolutely Villa Mad are they. They support Aston Villa, but they don't live and breath it. They have other lives out of football and they just turn up on Saturday afternoon. This will be a huge amount of people. I've been to concerts where I'm a big fan, but if they simply play the songs without any entertainment, then I'm not buzzing. However I've been to gigs or concerts of groups I either don't know or don't particularly care for and was thoroughly entertained and was singing & dancing. Not Boy Bands I may add. I wouldn't want to meet Chris at one of those gigs...! |
MDVillan
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... Were we really going to win this tournament?? Don't think anyone thinks (with this squad) we would have. Now we can consentrate on what's REALLY important...the Carling Cup! I say bring in Bradley,his son, and Santa Cruz and pray for a top 10 finish. |
keithj
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... damian where did the 60 odd million lerner paid for villa go to, and wasnt doug on a salary? |
Villa_Chris
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...I wouldn't want to meet Chris at one of those gigs...! I only went to the last one because you asked me! |
john doyle
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... well lads i have waited until to make my points as i have been to all 4 villa games this year and have come up with this 1, we need a new goalkeeper guzan aint good enough and brad is past his day as sunday showed sorry to say we only have sigrest who we can turn 2 as baby brad should never be given another game as he just aint good enough we have to carry on with freidel untill the kid comes through or a new keeper is brought 2, the kids in vienna put up a far better display than the so called old hands last night i know as i was there all of you who said bannan and hogg and lijhel wernt good enough got your answer last night the 3 of the above are far better than the 3 clowns who took there place last night 3, the best player we have at the moment is allbrighton he was by far our best player last night and has been in all 4 game this year why did he not start 4, baye is not good enough nor is curtis davis and carlos cannot play at full back what is k mac doing to us c clark is far better than the 3 above either carlos needs to play at center back or is sold now 5,ireland is not match fit and thats a fact petrov is not fit full stop ncr has the touch of a rapist, it his right his second touch is a tackel . 6,heskey tries hard but just cannot cut it and needs to be left out but last night he was one of our better players 7,ashley young is just a poser he dives on the ground every chance he gets his crosses are pants he took 11 free kicks last night in good pos and found a man once 1 out of 11 just aint good enough look at man city the other night there corners and free kicks where spot on and milner took them he was not allowed to touch the ball when he was here young takes over and his crosses just aint good enough and his attuide stinks his free kicke are rubbish he needs bringing back down to earth as he thinks he is a superstar but the fact is he could not lace allbrightons boots . i still think that k mac is our best option at the moment but he must be his own man he bowed to pressure last night in playing all our usless players and now we are out of the cup if he had stuck with the kids we would have got through of that i am certian why dit he not start the fonz and whats the crack when he comes on playing him on the wing he aint no winger he is a center forward so what now against everton on sunday i still think that collins should play in front of the back 4 a back 4 of young dunne carlos( clark) and warnock a mid feild of young collins petrov ireland allbrighton with gabby up front if fit or if not big john you will note that downing aint playing as i dont think he is good enough but we need some steel in the middel to replace milner he was worth 25 mill if you ask me he was worth twice that much as he was like 2 players whats the saying you dont know what you got until its gone any way i will await all your comments will be there on sunday and hope the team looks something like the above come on you lions |
VillaDude
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... Shay Given is a must...both brads have made mistakes already this season. it seems Guzan can't go a game without making a mistake. Davies must now realise why MON never gave him a chance. Swiping that ball out for a corner..crazy! |
mon 4-5-1
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... Villa_Chris if you can provide me with one tangible example of why you think Petrov is so good for our team, then i am more than happy to read, and if i think it is a good point, then the conversion will be natural. At the end of the day, for the both of us our objectives are the same, we want the best for AVFC. You have yet to give that example. In my previous post, i gave you my opnion on i how i thought the game went last night, and who i thought was our most accomplised midfielder. Can you answer one question, what is Petrov role in our team at the moment? From what i can see he is neither a attacking midfielder, or a defensive midfielder, and all i read on a regular basis is, we need someone to do the donkey work, whilst Petrov does what? |
Rowley Villain
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...actions speak louder than words How about the £100m+ he gave O'Neill to spend? We might be in debt but there aren't many clubs that aren't. lerner hasput the club in more debt than it ever has been Lerner has made more improvements to this club than there have ever been. Training ground, first team squad, his plans for Villa Park- You're right- Take, Take, Take if you come back with anything else, you've not thought about it Bit rude Damian. My opinion differs from yours, so there for is wrong? Go to Villa Park on a matchday sometime. Ask around. Is Lerner a good owner? You might be surprised to find you'd be in the minority. |
andyo08
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... Why is it that when we have a bad result or play poorly that it's Petrov that gets slated as much as anyone else? There were two reasons we lost last night, one of them is called Curtis Davies and the other Habib Beye. Ok Petrov missed a penalty but so has everyone else that has taken one for us over the last few years. The mistakes that Davies and Beye made last night were so basic it's embarassing but of course it's Petrov's fault. The bloke is in a completely different class to these clowns who are championship at best! |
mon 4-5-1
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...
VillaDude Totally agree, Ireland needs to play further up the pitch, basically in the A.Young Role. We can switch Young back to either left or right, and alternate our wingers. The real issue here is, the other sub standard centre midfielders we currently have in the team. |
VillaDude
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... Ireland was playing Petrov's role last night. I woudldn't be suprised if he has decided he wants to be our attacking midfielder. We need a manager who the players not only respect but also slightly fear. Kev Mac seems like everyones friend at Villa Park. A few weeks ago, everyone was rejecting bob bradley, now people's heads are turning.. |
Chiefy
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... Andy -- I werent having a pop by the way, I was just so impressed with their fans they where immense and everything that football is about passion and love for the game, makes me annoyed when we are the home team being out sung and shown up, Citeh did it last year when the pubs wouldnt let them its embarrassing for the club and fans |
mon 4-5-1
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...Villa_Chris said: I thought so... |
AVFC-4-LIFE
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... @ Villa_chris........please please please tell me how petrov had a good game last nite, i would love to know. the bloke is meant to be our captain, set the example for the other players, pick the players up if we go behind. Where was that last nite? ive honestly seen more noise from a muted F*k;in donkey!! If petrov had a good game how on earth did our midfield look so bad?? and to take a 2 yard run up for a penalty then strike it like u were on the training pitch....good game??!? get a grip he was poor, very poor as the same as alot of the players last nite! I honestly dont think any of the team deserve credit, bunch of over paid, quick to pass the blame pre-madonas! we need to go bak to learning the basics of football, how to defend GENERALLY, how to balance the midfield between attacking and defending and how to create chances in the final 3rd to even look like we might score. I did not see any of this last nite, and as our captain played so poor its no suprise the rest of the team didnt step up and be counted!! |
Andy
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... Chris...Theres no point making throw away comments and then not being able to back them up. Grow some balls man. |
doubledown9
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... Ireland was not playing Petrov's role last night. Do people say Rooney is playing Scholes role when he drops deep and demands the ball? Ireland was playing in a ACM role, but he was dropping deep to pick up the ball and either carry or work it forward. Did you guy actually watch the game? |
Lockey89
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...Blackburn manager Sam Allarydyce has confirmed the club are closing in on a deal to sign striker Benjani.villa could do with him. but nooooo we still cant even find a manager : |
VillaDude
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... Ireland was playing petrov's role. Watch the game again.. Ireland rarely moved off the half way line. He kick started every attack. He picked the ball up from the defensive more than any other player. Compare this to last season, and the same role is played by Petrov. |
VillaDude
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... Other than when Ireland ran from midfield and into the box where his shot was blocked. when else did Ireland feature in out box? Not once. Reo coker and Petrov were a lot more advanced up the pitch.. |
Chiefy
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...Tottenham are set to test Aston Villa's resolve over Ashley Young by making a firm offer, skysports.com understands. Wooohooo thats all we need If i dont laugh I will most likely cry |
Villa_Chris
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... Andy I will if you suck them! You're nothing but a wind-up merchant. If you cannot see what Petrov does for the team then I really don't want to waste my time explaining it. Its like having to explain why Davies is utter s**te. Obvious. |
barnie
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... just a thought if beye,davies,nrc and heskey could have been replaced by ridgewell,steven davis,gardner and cahill in a 4.5.1 we would have won last night. |
Chiefy
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...If Young goes we can forget challenging for anything Pies at half time maybe ? He wont go, in the same piece or in the spuds section on skysports they have a quote from welly face saying that they are not bidding or close to signing anyone |
carl 789
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... think if spurs do bid for young he will go, champions league football and back in london compared to mid table no european football and living in hagley chances not looking good for him staying |
john doyle
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... if spurs offer 20 mill aslley young will be sold its simple he is not worth that to us at the moment look at last night 11 free kicks found a man once this is pants as i said before ashley young could not lace allbrightons boots allbrighton is quicker more skilfull and can kick with both feet and 4 years younger and on 80% less wages let him go now while we will get money for him we cannot get any worse |
Chiefy
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...think if spurs do bid for young he will go, champions league football and back in london compared to mid table no european football not many bright sides at the minute, this is the lowest point since Randy's reign and if Cleveland Browns are anything to go by it could get a whole lot worse, before it gets any better. Anyone got the number for Kenny Haung ?? |
.vogra
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... Ashley Young would jump at going to Spurs, If they want him then they need to offer at least 15-18mill, or we'll take off them Keane/Crouch and Lennon.. The sooner we sort out a real defensive midfielder the better, i know i said before no to Scott Parker but i think we should just spend the money and get him.. |
john doyle
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... vogra where was scott parker agaist us even we made him look crap come on mate look at things for real he aint good enough as i have said we need to play collins in the middel to win the ball back at least he can controlle the ball unlike ncr |
carl 789
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... if spurs want young id take huddlestone in exchange play him in front of back line drop petrov give ireland more advanced role huddlestone jus cleared everything on wednesday night infront of back line |
PhillyVillan
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... doubledown9 said: ....................Brad..................... I agree with your formation and squad selection, maybe with one slight variation: what about a 4-2-3-1 with Ireland playing just behind Gabby, and Stan and NRC as the two defensive midfielders. I think the most frustrating thing about this season so far is that we've yet to see this team play properly due to poor squad selection and loads of players out of position! Please, whoever ends up managing this side, put Ash back out wide again, don't play Ireland in a defensive role, don't play NRC as a winger, don't play Beye in the centre or on the left, don't play Davies AT ALL, etc... |
Trezzy
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... john doyle i do agree with you actually in regards to young however i really dont think albrighton is a s good as you make out, hes ok but i think in time he will fade away, i hope im wrong though. |
ronvilla
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... Well there will be no respect shown from me if Young is allowed to leave the club, this is becoming a joke now. If he does go then i'm afraid we are nothing but a selling club, and that hurts me!! Troubled times for all Villa fans  |
Andy
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... Chris...I'll say this once. Wind yer neck in man. I'm no wind-up merchant. Not on this one particularly. We all have a bit of humour on here, but I was being serious and genuinely wanted your opinion on your comment. Contrary to what you may believe Chris, I actually rather like you. Don't get excited, not in that way. I love your optimistic views, if rather naive sometimes and occasionally without substance of deeper thought, but on the whole I love the stuff you come up with. I don't rate Petrov, for the backed up reasons I've said many times. He's no longer quick enough for the level of Premiership football we should be aspiring to, he's not a good captain on or off the pitch and I don't believe he's dynamic enough to be in tune with the type of players around him. I rate Petrov as a decent footballer, but we have to separate that from where we actually need to be. It's my opinion Chris, backed up by my reasons for feeling like that. I'm obvioulsy not as lazy as you Chris, or I can type much faster. |
frosty
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...isnt ashley a mad arsenal fan? That won't matter once Redknapp has taken him out for a meal or two, he's rather good at getting his man and if he really is going for Young he's timed it perfectly I've been worried about this for a while since Redknapp said something along the lines of Young is a great player, any manager would love him but he's an Aston Villa player and I respect that, roughly translated as if you want it Ashley send me a sign and we will see what we can do. |
madrob
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... why not try collins in the defensive midfield role, just in front of dunne and cuellar |
Vital_Loans
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... I think there is a huge over reaction to the last two games. Yes we were dreadful and got lots of things wrong but we are a long way from crisis. So we are not in Europe and have played 2 games in the premiership and are on 3 points which is not too bad at all. Will we get relegated? Absolutely not! People suggesting we are relegation candidates are just annoyed and frustrated with our current performances and lack of transfer dealings. The most important issue for Villa at the moment is not to buy a striker, defensive CM or a new defender etc. The most important issue for Villa is to appoint a new manager. Although the current results are mainly a distraction they do suggest that KM might not be up to the job. I trust that RL is working hard to get a new manager hence his prolonged stay in Birmingham. This is good news for us as we need the right man to improve from where MON left us. This season is going to be a bit of a wash out from a fans perspective but the new man will get to know his players and what changes are needed. We will struggle a bit this year but should finish top 10 and I expect a very busy transfer window next summer. Till then we should sit on our cash and focus on getting the right man at the helm. If we could attract a big name I would like to see Hiddink get the job but other than that Steve Bruce is my current favourite. We are all lucky I am not chairman as I would of signed KM up at 5.45 the Saturday before last |
.vogra
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... John Doyle - I'm honestly trying to think of players of his ilke we can feasible get. I know Diarra is avalible at Real Madrid but i think our time to get him passed when he went to Pompey. Could Jenas do that role? who knows. I agree 100% what you say about NRC, he never looks comfortable on the ball, it's embarrasing to watch sometimes, i remember last night he broke with the ball and Albrighton was screaming for it, all alone..he didnt pass, he just turned back..Albrighton just threw his hands up in the air in utter frustraion.. |
Chiefy
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...Online Exclusive - Just emailed to me by Villa, How's about Randolph you stop giving cheap tickets, money off and free stuff and start spending some of your nest egg on sorting out that bunch of overpaid nancy boys you keep serving us up every time we enter villa park ! |
.vogra
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... Chiefy I'm also a huge NFL fan, The Browns are with the Detroit Lions the worse teams by a country mile in the NFL, and your right if thats anything to go by we're screwed.. |
Lockey89
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...Spurs will test Aston Villa's resolve over Ashley Young by making an offer, skysports.com understands.SSN |
frosty
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...We are all lucky I am not chairman as I would of signed KM up at 5.45 the Saturday before lastsmilies/smiley.gif It's ok Vital, I said Davies would impress us this season |
Chiefy
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...And Young is now willing to review his future after Villa's morale-sapping loss to Rapid Vienna at home last night. If true its good by Ashley, all could have been diverted by getting a manager in spending in the window and not playing habib sodding beye ! |
bindergogo
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... I'm still wondering how Aston Villa could lose the game yesterday. I'm from Austria, but not from the Rapid Fans, and i thougt that the main team of Villa will beat Rapid home 2-0 or more, because the "2nd team" did a 1-1 in Vienna. That seemed to become true in the 1st lap. But in the 2nd lap, the Rapid players had their awakening. Eventhough Villa dominated them all 90 min. long, they got their chances and they did it... Why? Because they can't afford to give it up in front of their fans. They give their best for the players -sometimes even more -, so they have to do the same for the fans, thats all. I really was surprised by the Villa Fans. English Fans are famous for beeing loud supporters in Austria. And then I couldn't hear at least one song. All I could see had been many guys sitting on their chairs and watching the game. Only as the 1st goal was shot, i saw the crowd screaming, but it still was no fan song. After the match, a interviewer asked Sonnleitner, if at least he could hear some Villa Fans as he was on the ground. "I wonder no! Probably they had been eating sausages...", he answered. I don't want to be offensive to you Villa Fans, and I really respect you, but you expect your team to win at home and then you just do nothing for it? You let those Rapid Fans be louder than yourself? The Villa Players must have felt like beeing in Vienna... |
Hennessy
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... The only positive that I could see last nite is that Randy looked to be the most pis sed off man at VP. He must know now that his next moves will be the making or breaking of Villa |
SlimJimVilla
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... Jesus...180 minutes ago most of you were singing KMacs praises and saying how things were looking up. When did Villa fans become the most f****e in the Prem? Asking Villa Chris to justify why Petrov should be in the team? come on Mon 4-5-1. If anyone dares to say "Heskey worked hard and scored" they get lynched. The mistakes were all defensive...basic errors, two from Beye and one from Davis. Blaming Heskey who scored and earned a pen shows that some posters do not watch the game, they just talk s**t on blogs. We're out, like we were last year before the world ended, get over it and whilst you're at it get over yourselves - you know who you are, you're already writing responses. |
Hetid1965
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... I think the players should emerge from the tunnel to the looney tunes theme tune on Sunday and every other home game until they improve ! |
Vital_Loans
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... How about selling Ash to Spuds for 18m + Keane and getting Steve Bruce in and giving him 20m to spend on players. |
keithj
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... carl when chiefy said the mirror hemeans he was looking in the mirror thinking of terrible scenarios. i did ask him earlier to let it go but at the moment he has "issues" |
Christian1983
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... There is a big positive to all this... We now get 3pm Saturday kick-offs!!!! And there'll be plenty more of them in the Championship next season too  |
Hetid1965
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... On a positive note. I could support West Ham. If we are as p*ss poor as it appears we are, how bad are they to get beaten so easily by us ! Just thinking it could be worse |
Damian
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... Rowley Villain How about the £100m+ he gave O'Neill to spend?you really are quite naive. he didn't give £100mn+ to o'neill - he lent it to the club with interest. as for clubs in debt - we were not in debt when we finished 6th a few seasons ago. actions speak louder than words - means, it doesn't matter what you write or your opinion on this matter. look at the FACTS. as for Lerner has made more improvements to this club than there have ever been.really, has he? what has he actually done? work on the training ground had actually started before he came in, so scrap that of your list. as for first team squad - see the debt and money he is making off that debt. as for plans for villa park - f**k me, he has plans does he. lets see them happen shall we. take take take - yes, he took an awful lot based on the last filed accounts - over £13mn i seem to remember. £13,000,000.00 that is. as for Bit rude Damian. My opinion differs from yours, so there for is wrong?no it isn't rude. you are living in this PR world where you believe what you are told - prime example - the training ground. as for my views on lerner - i have absolutely no doubt i am in the minority, much like i was with o'leary to stat with, much like i was with o'neill to start with also. but actions speak louder than words also it isn't opinion when you start making statements as fact and passing them off as the basis for your position. all it is actually doing is making your opinion look flawed |
.vogra
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... if Phil Brown EVER became managerid break into fits of uncontrolable laughter then burst into tears.. I'm amazed we've not been linked with Terry Venables.. |
ming the merciless
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... Okay I've chilled out a bit since last night, not a lot but as i was actually there not sat in the pub, on the sofa watching something else (chick flik??)and all the other excuses I actually thought that by half time we had had a reasonable showing, obvious still at that point that we need somebody who can actually stick the ball in the bloody net - I did remark at the time that when Ireland was given the No 9 Shirt we we could kiss goodbye to signing anyone in the out and out striker roll I do think Ireland had a reasonably good game last night with regard to Heskey yeah bit better showing than previous but he is a striker and he missed so many tap in's easy crosses etc he is a bloody striker if you are to believe his CV and the goal he did get credited with I honestly think he did not know a lot about it it was a lucky rebound off his body. Ashley Young made a point of gesturing something I am a little concerned by what it was exactly after that goal (I assume he was pissed at the crowd shouting for the fonz to make an appearance but that same section of the crowd had been yelling for Carew to come on not 20 minutes previously and he wasn't even on the bench because he cant possibly play 3 gamnes in a week I work 9 hours a day 5 days a week and would have to do that for 3 years to get what they get paid in a bloody week. Money is the route of all thats going wrong in football at the moment, players have no loyalty to the shirt only to their wallets. The club is in a shambles, they cant even get the new shirts made ready for the new season for goodness sake. I was actually surprised by the amount of fans that did turn up on a s**tty wet night when i arrived at 6.15 it was like a ghost town I actually asked if the match had been called off for some reason it was dire there is no desire on or off the pitch at the memnet and the only way that the fans will start cheering and singing again is when we see some changes and that needs to be quick i am a ST holder supporter for the last 45 years and i can honestly say that the last 20 months have been the most disheartening I have felt in all that time yeah i was there when we have been relegated into the old third div but we had passion then and if they paid these prima donna's on performance then we may start to see some of the old passion coming back into the game but the bloody foreign money has ruined it for all - Manager today please How about Pearce altho he wouldn't come but i bet he would whip a few of them into shape even if its on a 1 year rolling contract the alternative i dread to think about |
mon 4-5-1
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...Celtic_Villan said: Celtic_Villan Ireland cannot be compared to to Milner as they are two completely different players. I do agree though we do need a techincally able, hard working, with good positional sense, defensive midfielder. Surely it cannot be that difficult, look at what uncle Roy has done at Liverpool. Mascherano off to Barcelona, so he goes and gets Poulson on the cheap. He will be a quality signing for them, and is excatly someone we need for us. Ireland needs to play as attacking midfielder, were i believe he will blossom into a quality midfielder, he showed enough of that last night. |
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... SlimJimVIlla Totally agree. There has been way too much talk about formations and positions it's getting ridiculous. People are forgetting the very basics of the game, if you make mistakes you're gonna get punished, simple. We had the players out there to win last night, even those playing out of position. At the end of the day we were well in control for long periods of that game last night but if you make the mistakes we did you're invariably f**ked! |
Christian1983
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... Andyo08 said, At the end of the day we were well in control for long periods of that game last night but if you make the mistakes we did you're invariably f**ked! I agree. It wasn't vintage, far from it, but we were dominant. You CANNOT account for horror shows by individuals! If we remove the shambolic penalty/follow-up, Beye's two pub footballer mistakes and Davies's inexplicable 'shot' at our own goal then we WIN the game and the reaction is very different to what we have today. These 'unaccountable' errors do need to be addressed though. You wouldn't find Terry or Vidic doing too many of them over the course of a season. Poor players are prone to them, hence Davies and Beye may beed to ply their trade elsewhere. But this is not KMac's fault. |
Chiefy
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... Anyone think that Young to Spuds might not be a bad idea? Realistically we could ask for Keane, Bentley and maybe 10-12million cash, wouldnt be a bad deal would it? bentley could be a great signing if we can get his form back |
mon 4-5-1
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Chiefy were would you play Bently? Keane is only worthwhile if he takes a pay cut in wages, and we can ship out either Heskey or Carew. |
Chiefy
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... Aero -- Ireland was good, me and the lads I was with got a clap from him we tried to get a song going in the lower north stand, dont ask why i was there, but its like pulling teeth so there was 3 of us singing Ireland is Superman, Ireland is Superman. He heard us and gave us a clap. he had a good game and him and gabby will give defences nightmares, assuming they are not played left back in goal or any where else |
Geoff
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... Ugh, Young to Spurs...no way. They'd better ask for Keane & Modric plus cash - THAT will put a stop to their approach quickly... This Young to Spurs garbage comes back every other week, its more annoying than the Milner saga. Do they have a press conference scheduled today? This had better be good... |
walshy
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... 6th, 6th and 6th.... how many of you would take that now? id say 95% do a poll damian? maybe MON's doubters will see what he did for us and call for him back? doubt it |
Chiefy
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...Chiefy Left back no he would provide competition on the right, with downing on the left. Carew is in his last year, and a turkish team will have him, the mule wont move for love nor money and i can give you 2.9million reasons. So that would be Bentley say 7.5million Keane say 7.5million plus 10 million is cash ?? I say ka ching !!! |
Mick The Villian
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... Aero-4-villa Yeah i felt sorry for Ireland last night,on a few ocasions he was looking to link up play with some neat one-two passing moves but was let down on various ocasions by poor passing from his team mates. He will be a quality player for us when or if we get a quality holding midfielder to play along side him. Young for Keane,Placious & 5million?????? |
Chiefy
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...Ugh, Young to Spurs...no way. And what if he doesnt want to be here, shall we chain him to the lockers ?? come on get real, Chumps League temp from where he is from wants him compared to a team that is getting raped week after week with no european football to talk about and no manager. Get real if they come a knocking and he wants out we have no chance of keeping him, same as milner |
Geoff
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... Chiefy...of course if he doesn't want to be here then he has to go. However, the recent articles do not have quotes from him about wanting to leave, just epsculation. Logical speculation though. We could probably get Keane, Bentley, & Palacios/Jenas at least. Spurs rejects, but that it what I would expect (even though I still rate Keane as a good player) |
Az
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... Would be typical of Redknapp to come in for Young now, while everything is going tits up for us. Can't see them paying 25 mil + his ridiculous wages and wouldn't it be money better spent elsewhere anyway? Was expecting them to go in for Fabiano or someone like that. |
john doyle
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... if ireland plays in the team he needs to play with other footballers around him who will give and go eg bannan not NCR we need to play our kids with skill and flair if we dont buy anyone as we have seen what the likes of NCR sidwell and petrov can do and it aint a lot bring the kids through and now they will lern fro playing they did not let us down in veinnea unlike the so called top players last night they all think they are better than they are the last 2 games we have lost by simple mistakes no matter which way you look at it without these indvual errors we would have won at newsactle and last night i dont have to go over who made them but it is true |
mon 4-5-1
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... Chiefy Bentley may improve the squad, but i think he is a luxury player. Currently we have Downing Albrighton A.Young Ireland If Spurs really wanted Young, and were serious, then why not ask for someone like Huddlestone or Jenas with Palacious as this is were we are really lacking. Then we could find out how serious they are, and it would improve our first eleven in a big way. The other key point to this conversation and rumours is, if Young is going to sign a contract extension, as i believe he has 2 years left. |
Chiefy
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...Kevin MacDonald has revealed he has sought advice from other managers as he mulls over whether to apply to become Martin O'Neill's successor at Aston Villa. What a joke advice about taking the JOB, honestly just grow a pair and tell us you dont want it, it doesnt take this long to know if you want to manager one of the most successful clubs in the english game, if it does you have answered your own question ffs |
Geoff
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... Spot on... Keane + one of their Defensive midfielders, and cash. THEN we can start talkin' turkey. |
Celtic_Villan
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... mon 451 i agree i think ireland may be very good, but he is missing a work ethic that hopefully with improve. i said before that we have only a handful of players that are good enough and i stand by it friedal, dunne, cuellar, ash young, ireland, gabby are good enough to start for a top 4 team. maybe petrov... and then collins warnock young downing carew albrighton are good enough for a squad in that position we need about 6 or 7 good players to compete |
Chiefy
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... mon 4-5-1 -- Huddlestone is getting games in their team why would he want to come from a c/l team to a team who lookslike they will be struggling. We could only ask for players who wont get game time increasing the likely hood of them coming or we will just get rejected left right and centre |
Chiefy
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... Celtic_Villan -- I agree with the player list but Brad top four club, I would argue not sorry. In his day yes but he has gone past it now, that dicks, barton, goal at newcastle showed that |
Celtic_Villan
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... i dont think so at all. that sthe first bad game he's had in ages. i would certainly rate him ahead of almunia and gomes out of last years top for. and he's probably not far off cech who has been suspect for a while and il playing behind a better defense. the only ones id rate ahead of him at present are - reina, vd sar, given - maybe cech and hart |
Luckynumber7
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... turning attention to the game at the w/e - I struggle to see us getting anything out of it, what do you boys think? I mentioned the other day that Moyes would be doing his homework, without any doubt. I'm pretty certain those RV boys had done their homework. Do we think that Kev Mac did much to set us up better than the Toon game when we played RV last night? Do we think that KM has done enough to set us up for the game against Everton? It's all very well getting by until the international break, when something might just happen, but we have another massive league game this w/e - can we possibly turn this dismal form around and get a win? |
Az
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... You take away the Barry's, the Milner's and the Young's and we start to look like a very ordinary team. The only way I could justify the sale of Young is if Lerner brings in a top class manager, gives him the 40 odd mil we would have received from both his transfer and Milners and let him SPEND it. And why not add an extra 10 million on top of that? If Lerner is serious about taking this club any further than 6th then it has to be done. Having said that, if we clear out some of the deadwood he probably wouldn't even have to reach for his pocket. |
keithj
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... luckynumber7 with moyes doing his homework his start is worse than ours, this after all the pundits bigging up everton now they can start without an injury ravaged team |
mon 4-5-1
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... Chiefy It is better to get players that will benefit the team, rather than get the has been from Spurs that Harry does not want. Huddlestone, Jennas or even Palacious would move if they were told by Harry they were not wanted. Obviously Harry would encourage one of them to move if he was desperate to land Young, just as was done with Ireland, were he was dumped into the reserves. If we cannot get the right player to fit into our team, then there is no point in getting players that are just going to sit on the bench, we have been through this for the last four years. Celtic_Villan Maybe his worth ethic needs to approve, but let’s give the guy a clean slate. You can only judge him by what he has done for us, and by yesterday account he did not do to badly. Also I would not go as far as to say we need 6-7 new players, I think the key area is the Centre Midfield. Both Petrov and NRC need replacing, and if we can address this area, I actually think we have a good chance of being very competitive. Top six finish is very much possible. All really depends on who will be the next permanent manager, and which players he is able to bring in. |
Vital_Loans
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... Mick Young for Keane,Placious & 5million If they offered Keane and Palacious I would be quite happy to do that as a straight swap for Young with no cash. |
Vital_Loans
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... Az I see what you are saying but I think you are not giving some other players the credit they deserve; Albrighton, Ireland & Gabby are all top notch. However, having see the poor team displays over the last couple of games it just shows how absolutely critical a good manager is. Bring in Steve Bruce!!!!! |
keithj
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... vital with the money that he has spent, granted picked up a few good players, but would you be happy to give him cash to finish where sunderland did |
Rowley Villain
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... Damian Just read your reply (Comment 405) to my post. I take offence to your ramblings and I'l tell you why. First off, you always go on and on and on and on and on about finances and accounts at Villa. Who cares that Lerner took £13,000,000 from the club last year- I went to Wembley twice. That what fans care about. Success on the pitch, not spreadsheets. we were not in debt when we finished 6th a few seasons agoI honestly can't believe you used that as basis for your argument. That season was a total fluke and even O'Leary knew- 'honest bunch of lads' etc. We have been consistently improving under Lerner. That is fact. We have spent more money on transfers since Lerner arrived. That is fact. Don't patronise me Damian by telling me I live in a PR world. You sit there in Sweden or wherever it is you live and rant on incessantly, needlessly and irritatingly. That is opinion. quote]also it isn't opinion when you start making statements as fact and passing them off as the basis for your position. all it is actually doing is making your opinion look flawed I actually think that's what you do quite well. You take facts and manipulate them to prove your point. I didn't talk facts, look again. |
Vital_Loans
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... Bruce has only had 1 season in Sunderland and they were a bit of a basket case when he took over. Bruce has 2 attributes is absolute abundance that Villa need. 1.He command respect from players and is well able to kick ass and take no s**t 2.He track record in transfer is fantastic; Palacious, Rodallega, Figueroa, Valancia, Upson, Fraizer Campbell, all less than 3.5m then N’Zogbia 5m, Michael Turner (undisc) and Darren Bent 10m. Could you imagine exchanging those players with players of equal transfer spend with what MON gave us! |
mon 4-5-1
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...I mentioned the other day that Moyes would be doing his homework, without any doubt. I'm pretty certain those RV boys had done their homework. LuckNumber7 What manager doesn’t do his homework. To be honest if we did not do our homework on Everton then I would be worried. As far as it goes for the result, it really does depend on who plays. If Dunne is fit, and Cueller is available, then maybe Collins as a defensive midfielder, as Everton are normally a physically strong team. Our recent performances have shown us to be quite fragile down the centre, so hopefully Collins can reinforce the centre, and give the back four some much needed protection. In front of Collins I would play Ireland with either NRC or Petrov. L.Young ----- Cueller ------ Dunne ------ Warnock ---------------------- Collins ------------------------------ ------------ NRC --------------- Ireland ---------------- Albrighton -----------------------------------------Young ----------------------- Heskey--------------------------------- Subs Downing Petrov Carew Beye K.Clark Banan Fonz |
Geoff
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... Wait...I just found another Sky Sports story published within a few horus of the first one saying that Redface is pleased with his squad as it is. Which story is true we shall see shortly, Regardless, contradicting stories coming out is poor journalism - cannot really belive what any of these people write (IF they even write the stories themselves, which they do not always do) unless they can get a real quote from a person. Most news outlets are understaffed now, especially the papers. Often, a PR firm or a corporation will send a story to them and they will publish it as if they wrote it, thats an old practice actually. For these purposes though, often, for players in the transfer market - their agents will link them with as many teams as possible to drive up the price to the real bidders and get more agent fees. That is why we are linked with Trezeguet and Huntelaar when clearly those moves will not happen. Often, the agent's firm will write the story and hand it to the media as well. The club will also write articles and fax them to the paper to be put out. So unless you see direct quotes from the key parties, most of it is speculation or out and out tripe. |
jason.s.
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... Ive seen a few comments saying that after finishing 6th in the last 3 seasons MON took us as far as he could, and to a certain extent i agree but it is also possible and i feel more likely that he took us as far as WE CAN GO, and it may get worse if the blackburn deal comes off and they do indeed get upwards of £100m to spend that will be another side we cannot compete with financially, and so as much as i hate to say it i feel 7/8th position is the best we can hope for and maybe a desent cup run here and there unless we draw mutd or chelsea early on of course..so 6th position doesnt sound bad now does it.. |
rocky5
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...L.Young ----- Cueller ------ Dunne ------ Warnockwho exactly would score for us ???? Heskey,WTF LOL |
EJ_AVFC
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... Last night was the first time in a while since I have seen Villa play at Villa Park seeing as I live so far away. The first thing I have to say is I was shocked at how little the fans sing. I thought that the Holte End would be rocking, it's a European game and the Villa fans were silent. When Rapid went one goal down their fans were absolutely fantastic (and they were for the entire 90 minutes) whereas when Villa went level or one down the fans were silent. The players had no motivation from the "12th man" and therefore weren't lifted and encouraged to get the game back. I also noticed how a few of the fans jumped on the back of Heskey when things started to go wrong. That isn't how it should be, he wasn't the worst player by far. In fact I would have to say he was one of the best last night as no one else turned up. The fans shouldn't rip into players when they go wrong, they should sing their names and encourage them to play instead of making them feel like crap. But there was none of that last night. The Rapid fans were incredible, credit to them because if they weren't there then we would have won. Second point is about Delfouneso. I don't get to many games so I don't know if he is always like this but when he was out on the pitch at half time he looked fed up. He looked totally hacked off and I can see why. He got 8 minutes last night. Last year he was meant be starting to pop up in the first team. This year he has hardly got a chance. I know it is only the start of the season, but surely a game like this is his oppurtunity? If he doesn't start to get given a chance I can see him leaving for a mid-table club where he will get plenty of chances. That would be awful. Petrov is not a captain, he isn't vocal enough. I saw Ashley talking to people more than he did. The players looked lost and there wasn't much of a formation going on. Villa Park should be rocking on nights like that and it was silent. The fans need to sing and be a 12th man. On Saturday I hope it is loud or it's going to be embarrassing. |
Oscars Arse
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... Heard from a friend who's mate works for a betting company that Randy Lerner is disillusioned with English football (ain't we all) and wants to attract interested parties to sell to. Probably a load of tosh but thought I would mention it anyhow. |
villarobin
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... mon 4-5-1 I think using Collins as a defensive md is a great idea, he has abit of the Vierra about him , a ferocious shot, and he used to be a striker. Be hard to break us down with Collins / Dunne and Cuella in there. Also alows the full backs abit more freedom. Gabby or Carew up top though |
SuperBox
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... KMac's 'New Manager' power over the squad appears to have run out after the West Ham game. I'm all for giving him a go, but confidence and organisation look to be lacking in the team. Maybe KMac is over thinking the whole selection/tactics angles, but the players have to stand up and be counted. As Brian Clugh said "Tactics don't lose games, players lose games". To all those speculating about transfers, I have 4 words. Wage Bill & No Manager. Let's be realistic, we aren't going to do any business in this window. |
mon 4-5-1
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... villarobin Collins would sure up our defence, and have the discipline, positional sense to look after the defensive side of things. Good point on Gabby, not sure if he is fit, but if he is then I would put Gabby in there. |
Scrumpy
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... It's a little annoying that we have gone out of what was at best third priority this year. Shame some of the youngsters wont get European experience but they get as much during pre-season tournaments the last few years. Going out of Europa last year was a blessing. Its not just the number of games it is the travelling. I'm disappointed to not be going on a few more European travels but if it means my ST is better value for league results so be it. Putting it into perspective, we lost due to errors from defenders who wouldn't be in the first choice back five (Guzan, Beye and Davies). Pros are SI got another 90mins and looked more involved (and shows promise) Gabby is back, Collins and Cuellar are back. Even Heskey eventually scored and might remember he actually quite likes it. We must remember the starts the likes of Everton have had in recent years and where they have finished, so even mid-table in Nov/Dec but still in comps won't be the end of the season. I've said I like idea of Collins as DCM if he has the legs/engine/mobility. Team for Sunday Brad Young Cuellar Dunne Warnock NRC/Collins Petrov Young Ireland Albrighton Gabby Its easy this manager lark... off to update my CV and fax Randy... |
Hadders7
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... I think we all know that the real reason no decision has been made on a new manager is because Randy is waiting for the window to be closed or near as damn it, so no funds are spent in this window. |
SuperBox
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... Damian If you want success, it needs investment, which will lead to debt. If you want success and the investment without any debt, you'll need to find a philanthropic billionaire Villa fan with money to burn. Ellis frustrated fans, by not investing consistenly or big enough to push to the next level (or in facilities). Now we've had a taste of big investment, we're like drug addicts, wanting more and more and more. Our dealer has cut us off and we're getting twitchy. At least under Learner i see someone who wants to build Villa into well functioning business with good turnover to fund the football and the long term future of the club. Plus on the training ground issue. I think you'll find Ellis halted works on the development, and Randy restarted them after buying the club. |
cyprusvilla
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... lerner gives gives gives thats all people say what about the 60 million he has recieved in the last month ie sponsorships fxpro and fiat player sales milner shorey television money he does not only give so stop feeling sorry for him |
doubledown9
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... Where has this Collins for DCM stuff come from? People criticize Petrov for being slow and NRC for his distribution. Collins is not an improvement on this. Petrov is just about the classiest player we have, his distribution is top notch and he can retain possession. NRC may have his failings in a 442 or on the wing, but he is a cracking DCM, has a great engine and can break up play. As for us looking weak down the spine, we looked that way last year and it has more to do with laying 442 against 451 and the fact that neither Milner nor Petrov are really that good defensively. On the plus side the way Petrov and in particular Ireland were dropping deep and looking for the ball to feet was encouraging. Watch the game again and you will see Ireland has his arms pointing at his feet (the international symbol for 'to feet') whenever he does not have the ball. Ireland does need protection, NRC provides that, thus Petrov can play Alonso to Ireland's Gerrard. ...............Petrov....NRC Albrighton.....Ireland.......Young .....................Gabby |
Chiefy
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... Me & my missus' favourite sexual position is called the ''Villa in europe'' . . Neither of us know what we're doing or why we're there, there's no passion, no communication & we never make it past the 1st stage. There's horrible dribbling & never a clean sheet. It's over far too quickly & when it does end I know it'll be at least another f**kin year before it happens again |
kohoutek
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... I thought Ireland was definitely showing flashes of what he can do. It was interesting how far back he was dropping, and I wasn't sure who was supposed to be up front, him or Petrov. You could see Villa are still very slow to move to space and in recognizing the passes that are there. Ireland was asking for the ball quite a bit, and often didn't get it. We're still quick at doing the long ball for Ash or Gab to run onto, but the working it around will still take a little time. Collins was putting in a shift, and certainly had more scoring opportunities than Heskey. I, too, question his mobility (not necessarily stamina, or ability to get upfield and back, but more in terms of flexibility)/quickness as a defensive midfielder, but maybe with Petrov beside him and Ireland up front...Could be worth a shout. If we had another LB, I'd say put Warnock in the role. |
Az
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... doubledown9 - That's the team I would go for. If Reo Coker gets a good run in there I'm sure he will do a good job. Just needs to keep his passing simple. |
john doyle
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... i have to say that if our unused subs plus the fonz had starded last night we would have won easy for the record they where freidal lichaj bannan clark hogg all are better than the clowns that played last night as they showed in viennia |
FatKev
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... Ak27 learner had every chance to Keep GB JM & Mon they were all at our club & cone to the same decision. Our Chairman did not have the same ambition as them, they want sucess he wants to run the club part time without any direction. Waiting on the caretaker to make up his mind if he wants to manage the once mighty Aston Villa inspires even more confidence |
kohoutek
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...Our Chairman did not have the same ambition as them Ah, FatKev. Constant as the tides. For Barry and Milner, their "ambition" is much easier to realize given the amounts of money available to City. Simply say, "Yes, please, I'll have some of that." It's all net gain to them. Lerner is not rich enough to compete with that kind of spending. Not many are. We all know this. He can be as ambitious as likes, or not, but it's far too simplistic, and I think you know this, to just say not being as rich as an oil baron equals having no ambition. All the clubs and owners in the EPL want the same thing, and they probably all want it just as much. But until the financial playing field is leveled, we all know virtually every team will be "happy" just to stay up, maybe have the odd night in Europe or a good cup run, because that's all that can realistically be achieved. |
Geoff
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... I agree that the EPL badly needs a wage cap or to somehow curtail these outrageous transfer fees. Even Manchester United and Chelsea have been somewhat calm of late. Manchester City is ruining it all. THEN we would actually find out how good some of these managers are. And players for that matter. |
True Villan
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... can you believe Davies, reo choker and beye and sidwell cost us over 25mil!! and not one of them is fit to wear the shirt or can be relied upon in a crisis can you imagine Wenger spending 25mil, we would have 4-5 quality players all worth more than we paid MON you are a spineless tosser who pieced together a bunch of hoofers who some how managed 3 top six finishes but never looked good, you damn well new they would fall apart and that all that money you spent, who you sat on the bench, could not help out, so you ran away instead of being forced to use YOUR buys and be seen for what you and they are, useless! F...IN clueless in the transfer market, no ideas of foreign footballers or foreign styles of play, your idol clough was the same in the transfer market, but he had peter taylor, unfortunately we never had anyone who could guide you towards quality signings that could have moved our club to the next level. once young has left I cannot imagine you could get much more than 30mil for the entire team! |
VillaNick
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...can you believe Davies, reo choker and beye and sidwell cost us over 25mil!! Thought Cocker did alright to be fair. As for Davies, whats happened to him? No more A question of Sport for him! They only have sportsmen not comedians |
tomspook
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... getting ready to leave co kerry in Ireland drive 3 and a half hours to Dublin staying with a friend tonight flying to birmingham tomorrow for the game sunday go 3 or 4 times a year and villa have won every time so put your money on the villa UTV |
kohoutek
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...can you believe Davies, reo choker and beye and sidwell cost us over 25mil!! I don't know the exact figures, will assume you're right...and this is a problem. I really did think MON had a plan, was more astute in the transfer market, etc., than we were giving him credit for. But, as I've said before, it seems I had too much faith in him, as did Lerner, too, for that matter. It's maddening to look at the money spent on the players he himself wouldn't even play. |
keithj
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... if we are going to rule out kmac on the basis of the first 2 games we should also forget moyes, hodgson, hughes, martinez etc because so far they are doing worse |
corleone
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... Chiefy comment 230, Spot on absolutely spot on. This is as much sense as I've heard in a long time. It's true what you say about us, the fans. Our home support is shocking at times to be honest. Yes we can have the odd match, like the blues game and Man united maybe, but really we never intimidate a team coming to us. I think part of the issue with noise level is the acoustics at villa park. The corners should all be closed off to ensure the sound is locked in. We also don't have any sort of anthem that all the fans can sing in unison. We're a massive club ffs even the scum have an anthem. Over 100 years and the best we can think of is Yipeeiiiaayy yiperyyiiiooo Holte Enders in the sky. Things need to change at our club if we truly want to compete; I don't just mean trying to squeeze into a top 4 place, I mean really compete for the league and the champions league. For this to happen Randy has got to go because I just can't live in hope no more, kidding myself, wishing for things that simply won't happen. He hasn't got the money, it's obvious or the alternative, he has got the money but hes just not willing to put in enough to make us truly successful. Randy has to go or we have to accept mediocrity. |
saundersisgod
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... Hi Damo! Great article as always but I disagree with you MON brought Villa on every season KM needs to get out of the hotseat asap. I really do not understand him- why did he not play his strongest team?!! How does he manage the reserves? We were on the threshold of having some games in europe for the youngsters to develop as they will save us £££££ and why did he not sub Beye when he was falling short (partially because he was out of position but mostly because he was playing c**p)? No wonder MON did not play him on that evidance! Davies was not much better- how much was he- £9 Mill? NRC was the least worst of the three! In short too many players showed why they were not picked under MON! Only Luke Young seems to have been poorly judged out of the bought MON players that could not get into the team! They all should have looked at Albrighton! Why wasn't Carew there instead of Heskey or The Fonz?! Whilst on the Heskey subject can we get rid and get Santa Cruz? Petrov's penalty was lame- why didn't Heskey take that? What was it with the support at VP? Was disapointed All in all for me it was not just that we lost - it was how cheaply we lost as we should have beaten them well. I have not been so angry regarding Villa for a long time! The really sad thing is when do you think we will be back in Europe? |
Dorset Villa
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... Well, I don't know what to say for the second season running I have travelled home from VP after being dumped out of Europe by the dogs of vienna , GUTTED. Players played out of position lack of passion and dare I say it a very quiet VP, what ever happened to the famous 12th man on the holte ( anyone remember the Blackburn semi ) , the team have never needed our support as much as they do know and the everton match is calling out for the 12th man more than ever so for 90 minutes on Sunday we need to put all of our feelings to one side get behind the team and ensure we do all we can to help get the 3points, come 6 pm I'm sure we will all have an opinion on how best to move the club forward. There is so much more that I want to say but I have to fill in a crime report, apparently a mr heskey was spotted at VP last night stealing 50k from the club. EH not fit to wear the shirt. |
Mostyn
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... Dorset, And nor were the rest of the team, yet Heskey scored and was rated 2nd best player for England during the World cup. |
r0bb0
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... villa chris The Petrov slating continues. Completely agree. I had him as our man of the match and one of the few players who looked as if they knew what they were going to do with the ball as soon as it arrived at their feet. He also played with energy for the whole 90 minutes last night. |
FatKevs
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... kohoutek it is not just the money mon spent, it is how you manage the club, to be successfull the whole buisness has to be run correctly. It is clear ours has not, you can keep claiming randys innocence but a chairman needs to know what is going on. At the moment he is trying to limit his losses that is not managing the club it is a long term thing not just 2-3yrs then sit back. Every season a team needs refreshing but the way he has run the club this season we cannot that is not down to Mon but lack of a buisness plan |
FatKevs
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... I like what Ronald Koeman has to say i think he could be a step in the right direction |
Headologist
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... Chiefy Comment 463 Quality mate Will be on lotsa blogs in the very near future |
Irishron
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... Bye Bye Ashley. Hello Robbie. And that's all folks in the transfer window. Three years of Euro football and I can't see it next year. Need a result on Sunday. UTV |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Gutted if we get Keane and they get Young next will be Gabby and then we will probably try and get Damian Duff as his replacement. This is going to be a long season lets just hope the defence decides to turn up on Sunday. |
Steveo
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... 4-5-1 for everton friedel cuellar dunne collins warnock young petrov nrc downing ireland gabby |
Maindog
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... Even though Ash is having a stinker, I still dont want to dsee him getting sold! It just sends out the wrong messages, also we all know he is a huge talent and he will get back to his best with the guidance of the right manager.... Plus Spurs' attraction of Champs League football is useless to Ash, as he is now cup tied...Plus he is a gooner... Koeman for next manager! |
beef
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... No chance of Young going, maybe in January when he's seen who's come in to take over, he'd be daft to leave before Jose comes in (j/k). |
beef
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... Prediction. Friedel Young--Collins--Dunne--Warnock Albrighton--Petrov--Ireland--Downing Young Gabby |
deansaunderspermthatsperm
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...I like what Ronald Koeman has to say i think he could be a step in the right direction it does make nice reading - the link http://www.express.co.uk/posts...glory-days |
jpet
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... I've been catching up on some of the things being written, on the blog, don't have much time anymore, getting ready for field trials in the States on a tele. comms project, got to agree with some, and disagree with others, but if we don't MOVE quick as Tue. is fast approaching WE WILL BE S.O.L., and out of the running. This isn't about the money, IT'S about the GAME, IT'S about US the supporters, RL has to wake up and realise that the only way forward is with a happy, coordinated, working as a unit team, AND WE DON'T have that at this moment, RL is the chairman so it all falls in his lap. True he had no control over certain things, but he better start getting some control real quick or were out of the money, the game and the whole lot, we'll be S.O.L. for sure and stands for s**t OUT OF LUCK. We need to start pulling together or were doomed. |
Sean Haynes
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... Firstly, i think that a lot of the blame for villa's poor run must be blamed upon MON. Inevitably villa were going to win their first game of the season, all the players had lots to prove. But now it seems that KMac has pretty much decided what players he's going to play.. including the likes of Carlos who was shocking all of last season. HE IS A CENTRE BACK!All we need to do is play players in their right positions and hurry up and sign people. KMac has probably ruined any chance of being manager, which is probably a good thing. He is not a first team manager, and as much as he may say he wants the job, he is probably worried about messing things up so hence his unsure ways regarding the position. I would like to see bob bradley at the villa, he did an amazing job for usa and it looks like we need someone that can build a strong defence. 9 goals in two games is awful, bradley only conceded 4 goals in the world cup, less that fabio and england! He got players from hull playing better than those from man united (not mentioning any names) thank you kev, but maybe your time is up. the players have let you down. this season villa should not give up on cup glory or finishing in the top 6. we've still got the same team with the exception of milner, now its irelands turn. i think the players should pull together for onceand it'll be fine! what we dont need is bad penalty takers, asking for managers to be sacked or abuse to players. i've seen people giving ashley young abuse, how stupid is that? he is now our best player by far.. and he has just committed his career to villa. what is all your problems?! |
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