Written by Damian Friday, 21 August 2009 08:59
It is easy to understand why so many people are frustrated. If you were to transport the Rapid Vienna squad and put them in the Premier League, they would struggle to finish top half and it is possible that they would find themselves in a relegation battle.
It started well. Okay, we conceded a goal after 15 seconds but our game started well and Martin O'Neill started the team in a 4-5-1 formation leaving out Stan, Delph and Gabby and we did pass the ball and we did try to play differently.
But this isn't about last night and in fact it might be best I don't talk about last night until next Thursday because I might just start with O'Neill giving up on this tournament too, because he didn't play his best eleven last night.
Anyway, we have some rumours. First up is we are after West Ham defender James Collins and Martin O'Neill has told West Ham he will pay anything they want for the Welsh international, because he is the best defender to ever play in the Premier League and he absolutely, must try his wee hardest to have him.
I am sorry about that. I have faith in O'Neill, in so much that I believe right now he is the right man and I also believe we will have some proper money next summer where he will be able to properly strengthen and that extra year he will get will be very important.
Changing a manger now is a huge mistake. He was the right man at the beginning and he was the right man last summer. He is still the right man, we just need the right owner.
Talking about Lerner, actually, I don't want to. Let's talk about Birmingham City getting sold for £81mn instead. Laughable really isn't it. Still, there must be something in it for all these foreigners or are they all just hear for the love of the club?
Last bit of news today is that John Carew pulled himself out of the team last night because of a virus. So, that is a dodgy toe on Saturday and a virus last night. What will it be next, his bad back will be back?
I'm off to cut my getting long grass and I'm sort of expecting something from the club today about a new player, talk from last night is that Distin is a done deal.
I'm also expecting more than the 60 odd entrants we have or this competition I put up last night; VIP tickets to a black tie event to watch the team from 1982 getting inducted into the hall of fame!
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Rob The Villain
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... Yeah, what's with Carew? Passed fit but has pulled out twice! Is there more to this than we know? Suppose he's a bit like Drogba, you have to take the attitude that comes with him! |
ak_27
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... Sorry Damein but that Vienna team are about bottom of the Championship level at best. The Austrian Champions needed a last minute goal to beat the Irish champions a few weeks ago in the CL play off game and let me tell you that the Irish Champions would struggle in League one. That Vienna team are extremely average at best. |
Faccundo
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... Lerner is a thief Using our funds for the Cleveland handball brownies Get out of the way you tightarse for a new owner who'll invest in the club I don't blame MON, he could improve his scouting network, but the causi belli of our dilemma is Doug Lerner LERNER OUT!!!! |
vogra
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... ak_27 exactly right, Vienna are an average side, who would struggle in the Championship, Learner..... get rid of this clown now...MON OUT!!!! |
Biriani
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... I Am Fickle! (but I don't boo !) Yes, I did believe in MON & Lerner because I wanted to believe in them. But the thing is, the world isn't how you want it to be, or how you think it ought to be, the world is how it is, and I can't believe in them any longer. Not only has MON wasted large amounts of money on players that aren't good enough, he can clearly no-longer motivate them, organise them properly, or play them in a formation that maximises the resources he has got. We will be mullered on Monday. MON OUT ! |
taglor
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... You should see my facebook, Villa are quickly becoming the laughing stock of the premiership. Vienna play in a pretend league and we lost too them, if it was barca or real fair enough but vienna, jeez we are crap, just look at our bench when we are losing and where is our merson or even ginola to come on and give us a lift? utter utter boring basic football from mon, i despair and yet there are still people that love him when his record is what? scottish titles? pah, and dont mention the other one ffs |
NigelKennedy'sViolin
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... Faccundo How do you know Lerner is doing this? When did Lerner change from saviour to enemy? |
Faccundo
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... LERNER IS THE GENESIS OF OUR PROBLEMS NOT MON IT MAY BE HARD FOR SOME OF YOU TO ACCEPT BUT IT'S LERNER THAT MUST GO NOT MON |
George Hartless
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... At least it was only one. More worrying is our lack of goals. We haven't won a match by more than a one goal margin since 7 Feb when we won 2-0 at Ewood. That's 17 competitive matches (not that I'm counting :/). Clearly without Carew we will struggle to score. Need Downing fit so we can play Ash further up the pitch. James Collins would be a horror signing. |
taglor
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... Why do you believe we will have propr money next summer damian? what release from the club have you read stating that or have you just made it up in your head? Even if we did, do you think MON will buy proper international footballers? No just more mentalists like routledge, harewood, salifou, maloney, sutton, shorey etc etc |
Faccundo
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... Nigel For me he has never been a saviour. I work with these type of people all the time and knew he has no passion for the club, he is only interested in yield. He was never any type of saviour for me - just a ruthless businessman trying to "turn a buck" |
ak_27
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... How can people blame Learner? If there is a budget he isn't telling MON to blow most of it on an injured player who plays in a position where we already have good players? He isn't making him go down the buy English players who cost 3 times their European equilivant? MON has nearly speant 100m and watching them last night my god so many of them are mediocre footballers. We have no creativity, no imagination and are so predictable now at this stage that any micky mouse team could keep us out. We rarely troubled that team last night. |
Milk
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... Whats everyones problem with Lerner at the moment. Few months ago everyone was singing his praises and now everyone wants him out. Is it the lack of funds he has made available, and if so how do you know the funds arent available? |
Deltic Man
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... After last nights shambles it looks like we will be in for a long hard season. I can't see us getting anything at Liverpool on Monday and with our present form Fulham on the weekend will be a struggle too. Its about time we started asking some questions about Lerners Ambition and also about Cleveland Browns ! Ive said it before , until he sells them we will not be going any further !! its about time we started putting pressure on him over this !!! I fear this season will be mid to bottom table mediocrity, oh f**kin joy !!! We have become the laughing stock of the Midlands !!! |
rushe10
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... no passion for the club??? the man got a villa tat on his f**king leg!!!! you call that no passion!! more than doug |
Faccundo
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... rushe10 I know the truth of the proposition is so hard to accept that it drives you to nonsensical expletives, because we all realise that if the problem is not a MON based one, but a Doug Mark II based one, we could be stuck with last season being the peak for a very very long time absent the spending required to move to the next level Unseating a parsimonious owner is a much harder problem to remedy than simply standing in the stands chanting for the managers head But believe it: Lerner = Deadly Mk 2 |
Christ on a Bike !
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... We're fast becoming a laughing stock..... Do any of us really believe we'll get anything other than a tonking at Anfield next Monday, Stoke conceded four and lets face facts, there back four's currently better than ours ! These Carew "pull-outs" are conerning , he'll no doubt have another erm "niggle" and withdraw just before Mondays game. Worried ? Nah more like crapping myself ! |
Vijay Daryanani
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... Davies shoulder popped out again, we need 2 more centre backs really badly now, the boy will need surgery and that will mean 3 months out |
Faccundo
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... rushe10 Simple question - wheres the spend???? Wheres the 30m signing the General spoke about all last season? In fact, where has the money from TV rights, Barry and Knight gone, as some simple accounting will show that Lerner is expatriating the cash to his Cleveland Brownies... Dont believe the marketing spin - Lerner is Doug Mk 2, why do you think the two of them get on so well with each other? That tat he's got is probably henna |
Graymo
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... -Faccundo- Lerner has invested a lot of money in our team already. That is proof enough, It's not his fault MON is incapable of spending it wisely. I keep quoting 100 million spent because, appart from Barry (because the player wanted to leave), as far as I'm concerned he has not yet had to sell a single player that he didn't want to keep in order to raise funds. |
Milk
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... Faccundo, are you not going to be satisfied until we get man city's owner or an equivalent to buy us trophies? Do you think they would continue with the Acorns logo that is currently proudly on the front of our kit? |
stevo
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... spot on milk. most people who comment on this site seem to be extremely reactionary and don't think about the words spouting from their mouths. When did Villa fans become so negative?! |
Apocalypso
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... I always believe that people are entitled to their opinions and reasoned debate is healthy... But to suggest that Lerner is responsible for our not being a top side is ridiculous... He has invested over £120 million of his own money into buying our club and rebuilding the squad and updating the facilities... He has always said that the club will be run on a sensible financial footing, and there is nothing wrong with that! The problem is that other teams have no moral issue with carrying obscene debt...I'm glad that we are solvent and will never criticise our owner for keeping us solvent we have season on season improved the facilities of the club and, if we sign a couple of defenders by september, the playing side will have improved also. Lets get behind our club! |
rushe10
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... my mate is in the know and he seems to reckon that lerner has given old paddy wag £100million to spend but he is a tight c**t and wont pay the money you decide!! i think lerner is the way foward mate, and if we sacked o'neill i'd walk away from the villa for ever. |
linden
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... start of the 4th season and were still struggling for numbers, light in key arrears and clueless out on the pitch. O'Neill has lost a lot of fans keen faith in him ever since Moscow and the subsequent poor league run at the tail end of the season. His signings are poor to average, bar Ashley and Carew. The long ball game is ridiculous and teams have sussed us out. The counter attack has disappeared too. All teams do is sit back, let us try and attack, get nowhere because we aint got the players, then counter attack us. No cup runs, no ambition last year in europe and lack lustre signings. The big thing is the expectation levels set by Lerner and O'Neill when they first took over. The 5 year plan. The new badge. The Nike Sponsor, the Acorns sponsor - Proud History Bright Future spiel, the Holte Hotel, etc etc.............. We've been lied to They can't build our hopes up like they have and let things stagnante without us fans getting disgruntled. we are right to vent our frustration over the past months since Moscow. MO'N OUT |
GG
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... Biggest problem for me was us only having two on-target goal efforts. I read an interview last week where MON said we'd always score goals... but we can't score against Rapid Vienna? The dynamism that brought the goals last season has disappeared through a combination of the opposition knowing exactly what we're going to do and our strikers losing confidence. Downing will provide some new creativity but until he's fit we're buggered unless we buy someone who can score. It's a bit worrying that the manager doesn't see this. We'll lose at Liverpool next and be bottom of the table - thank god it's only a 2 game table (and not a "10-game season"!) |
clarkamus
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... james collins rumour has to be a fake he cant get into the west ham side for gods sake upson and distin all the way please add warnock and tuncay as well but we only have 10 days of business left and i just cant see us signing 4 players in that time, i hope we do though utv |
Lloydy
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... Villa remind me of Everton a few years ago. Remember the Everton team struggled for a season under Moyles and the fans were calling for his head.Look at them now. Villa have the right owner and manager. We Villa fans must stay positive. Our fortunes will improve. We must stay on course. We sound like Newcastle fans, so stop crying and get behind the team. FICKLE BASTARDS! |
Faccundo
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... Very proud of the Acorns logo on the kit but as explained by Neill's blog in his forum a few days ago most likely any revenue lost is offset by the additional fee payable by Nike for exclusivity More marketing spin in my eyes... Lerner - show us the cash...I wouldn't be surprised if Lerner is directing the Carew bust up for a quick sale to Spurs and pocketing a tidy profit. I don't want to be right....I hope I'm way off |
Stuart
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... Damo, You know how much ive backed and stuck up for MON but im really getting to that stage where im questioning him now. Im losing faith in his ability and it made more sence when i read that email you showed me yesterday. I hope he turns things round and makes us successful but i cant see it happening. |
CapitalVilla
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... It does seem like a worrying lack of ambition at the club. Perhaps Mr barry had it right when he left, he saw this coming. To use the excuse that players are available is beyond a joke, we shold have been sigining player such as owen or bent, to give us that extra attacking edge. Dont get me wrong I think that Delph and Downing will be great signings, but we need more to shake things up, as at the moment things are very stale. Upson in my mind would be a great signing, and apparently available, so why not go for him? It can only be a lack of funds, in which case the finger still has to be pointed at MON, why sign an injured player for 12m when the priority was a center back. |
Gubbel
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... I really fear that Aston Villa is going to becoming a mid-table team this season neither moving up nor moving down the table. some good and some bad results, but mostly an uninteresting style of football. don't get me wrong, I quiet like the "kick-and-rush" style, if it's done properly. but what I really can't understand is that MON doesn't go back to the 4-5-1 system that so many fans would like to see again. 4-5-1 is a much much more flexible system with the players we have then the 4-4-2. we're not a team that takes the game to their opponents (is that right english?). but with a 4-5-1 becoming a 4-3-3 when attack, the lack of a playmaker will not have such a big "negative" impact is it has now. why? because most of the attacks will be done over the left or right wing. please correct me if I am wrong. my question to you all is: Do you think that Downing is capable of playing in such a system, where he must switch between a left attacking forward and a left midfielder? and what about his right foot? can he switch the sides with Ashley, like Milner can? And what about Heskey? Can he play as a centre forward like Carew did in the 4-5-1 system? So, if all my answers will get a yes, then we have in attack: CF: Carew (backup: Heskey, Agbonlahor), LA/LM: Downing (backup: Milner), RA/RM: A.Young (backup: Milner, Agbonlahor, Albrighton). This doesn't look that bad, does it? And I forgot Delfouneso, don't know where to put him. But the midfield and defence problem still remains. So please please dear Villa fans that are going to travel to Liverpool, please let MON know that he must play 4-5-1  greetings from Germany |
Damian
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... taglor i'm going on what we have seen to date from lerner. his first season we got money. the second we didn't. the last one we did. it doesn't look like we are this one. this is what doug used to do and i suspect lerner is doing it also rushe10 i heard the exact same thing. that lerner gave o'neill £100mn but it was to include everything for the player including wages for term of contract and did not include any more that o'neill brought in or money he saved so by my reckoning, we are close to hitting that target |
ak_27
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... Lloydy the differance between MON and Moyes is that Moyes is good in the transfer market and also he hasn't had half of what MON has spent yet has a bigger squad with far better players in it. Why? Because he can spot talent when he see's it and isn't afraid to take a few gambles in the hope that some come off. He looks at players from all over the world. MON does not and goes and spends big money on a player who is no better then a player you could have got in Europe for a third of the price. |
Lloydy
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... MON out, some of you are so stupid, so we have a few problems, get a life. Can't believe how you have turned against the MON and Learner. The is just a mid term crisis. Fickle F**KS |
Aston thriller
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... I've been just Reading through the forum over recent weeks and I've decided to keep quiet, simply because I really do belive come the end of the season all of these 'mon out' moaners are gonna be left with egg on their face, I am worried though, simple fact.... I think the club are scared, scared to take a chance on a big name, look at our strike force, hate to say it but it's worth only on a low mid table finish, not since jpa have we taken a gamble, I think the memories of milosevic, balaban etc are stopping 'mon from dropping 20m on a vagner love or a Wesley schneider! Simple fact I have faith in the martin/randy ride but they both need to grow a pair!!! |
Faccundo
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... MON in - he is the answer LERNER out - spend or begone Apocalypso Lerner has invested over £120 million of his own money into buying our club and rebuilding the squad and updating. How much has he receeived in TV rights revenue? Net spend??? rushe10 Fantastic news if we have 100m to spend - when are we getting Veloso, VDV, Defour, Lugano, Spiranovic, Love, Neill, Upson ect. MON would spend n reinforcements. Contrary to what you believe, he is on a v. v. tight spending leash and the club runs more spin that Blair. There is no cash. Lerner is running on our hope to put pounds in his pocket. Banners for the next home game: "Lerner - show us the signings!" |
StickyAV
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... Guys guys guys, Unbelievable. A few games back. Yes 2 games that is. Everyone on here was all rosey. Maybe we don't need anymore signings? Maybe we should just bring the kids through? Lichaj this, and albrighton that. etc etc etc. 2 losses later and we want the manager and the owner out!!!??? Man villa fans are possibly the most fickle around? That's coming from a born and bred villa fan. Step back from your little fantasy worlds for a minute and remember this is Birmingham. This is Aston Villa. We are not Manchester, a thriving city that people country wide love. We do not have a team from our city in the CL, that gives our city footballing appeal. We do NOT have lots and lots of money. Does anyone really think Doug would have sold to a billionaire investor, who wanted to make losses, but reach incredible heights? No, Doug sold to one of his own, a business man, looking to keep AV afloat and to make profit where possible. The fact is we attract a certain type of player. We attract young English player. They believe in MON and they believe in playing in a young english squad. We DO NOT attrack VDV's and sneijders. That is nothing to do with MON. They just wouldn't come here. Get used to loosing some matches and get used to fighting for a top 6 finish. We are villa fans right? We are used to mediocrity. With man City and now Spurs about, both who have more money, and more appeal than villa, we are going to struggle to achieve that. They will sign players before we do, invest cash before we do and no doubt finish above us. Get over it. |
ak_27
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... I don't think Villa hace a lack of ambition but rather are being lead down a backward outdated route by MON. Im not sayiong sack him now (only becasue we have to have the right man come in) but people need to see that this man in charge is not up to the task. Next summer Learner please if you have any bottle and ambition have a replacement ready to come in and take us forward. |
Faccundo
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... taglor i'm going on what we have seen to date from lerner. his first season we got money. the second we didn't. the last one we did. it doesn't look like we are this one. this is what doug used to do and i suspect lerner is doing it also Spot on Damian Lerner = Deadly Doug Mk 2 |
xandehx
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... You know what the funniest thing about all these people saying MON out is? That they have to come back here every single day at least once on different posts at different times and repeat themselves. If you're so unhappy with MON and the club, why do you keep visiting a blog all about them? It's quite obvious that most of you aren't real fans you're just trying to either wind people up or grab yourself some attention. |
Lloydy
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... AK_27 i think you will find Moyles struggled in the transfer market last season big time. Most managers have bought a few bad players in their time. MON is no exception. How many top players has Wenger released that have gone on to do well else where? MON's only outbound mistake was Cahill. |
Ronan Kenny
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... rushe 10 I dont believe for one second MON wouldnt splash the cash if he had it. MONs problem is the fact he wont confirm what some of fans suspect and he hasnt got that much money to spend. Hes covering up for Lerner hence why alot of fans on here are getting on his back. People will argue that he must have money cause he spent 12m on Downing, but i suspect that he was MONs replacement for Barry. My feeling is any signing now before the deadline wont be big, 8m max, hope im wrong but i doubt it. |
testie
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... Again we were poor last night, most of the players went missing hiding behind a marker and not showing enough for the ball. Beye got caught our of position so many times and every now and then Shorey looked like a little boy getting muscled off the ball. The midfield had no spark, with no one showing a bit of composure on the ball. Heskey was shocking and showed a poor first touch he is not good enough although he did not have much to work with. The only positive for me about last night was that it was only one nil and we have a second leg to play. I am worried like any Villa fan at the moment, we really need some quality. I am one of he optimistic fans but if in 12 days time we do not have some better players in and continue to play so badly I will start to ask questions of MON and Learner. But until then i am still hopeful we will have a good season. |
Faccundo
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... Does anyone really think Doug would have sold to a billionaire investor, who wanted to make losses, but reach incredible heights? No, Doug sold to one of his own, a business man, looking to keep AV afloat and to make profit where possible. StickyAV is right - we are being played for fools by Lerner. He wants to lower our expectations to mediocrity - for me NEVER. Aston Villa - fourth most successful English club of all time. European Cup WINNER. Pride of the MIDLANDS. NOT AN INCUBATOR FOR OTHER CLUB'S TALENT AND PROFIT FOR LERNER |
Ferdinand the imposter
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... I've watched all the games so far this season Peace cup, versus Wigan and against Rapid (as in goal in first 60 seconds) Vienna. Some were good, some were bad. But it’s not just not having enough players - although we could do with a CB and a midfield general, it’s the poor showing of some players who are supposed to be the best in England. Milner, Young, Agbonlahor, Heskey - none have shown a consistent good form. Whatever formation we play, whatever team we put out those players should be prepared to play their best for the club, at the moment they are not doing this. The last 3 Peace cup games and the friendly against Fiorentina showed how we should play - poor form or lack of interest is creeping into the play. This is what needs to be sorted. If they don’t play well drop them and play the kids, at least they are enthusiastic. The strongest team selection is the one that goes out to win. |
Tim Hillman
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... I wish people would get a bit of perspective. We lost away from home in Europe. It was our 2nd game of the season and the team had to travel mid week to get there. We lost 1 - 0 and will beat them by more than 1 goal in the reverse fixture. There season started before ours so they have had more fitness and are sharper. I don't remember anyone shouting for MON or Lerner's heads when we were sitting in the top four at the start of the year! How does anyone know how much money Lerner has given MON for transfers? People like to blame the chairman when they have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. Lerner has bought the club, put lots of money into the training facilities and updating the Pub outside the ground. He is planning to improve the capacity, lets a Charity sponser our shirts and overall is a much much much better chairman than Doug ever was. Give the guy a break. Unless you know hard concrete facts you judge our chairman based on propaganda and chinese whispers. I ask you all one question..... Will booing and chanting to get rid of MON and Lerner make the team any better??? Will it.....f Until there is just cause and proper FACTS! I for one will not get swept away in this band wagon. Bloody football fans are so fickle and inpatient. |
Jonathan
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... I swear all these comments have just been copied and pasted from the last few days, same stuff. Damian I'll save you a job tomorrow, just call the Article " continue moaning here" And I'll copy and paste everyones comments. Sorted. |
Trezzy
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... im not to worried about the results as much of the fact we are strongly linked to james collins for 6million, surely clark is better aint he? can any1 remember the west ham game at vp last season, collins was taken off after about 20mins,carew tore him apart |
villan from aus
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... we have a problem does lerner have the money to give mon or has mon not got a clue how to spend it.we all knew we needed to replace laursen and barry for quite awhile now.So why haven,t we I have read the mirror web sight and they say their after DISTAIN to replace LESCOTT i don,t know how much truth is in that but i think mon should get is finger out from his b--,and get him in.Also we need a striker who can score goals i don,t think gabby+Heskey are good enough,The fonz is still learning and carew is good but somethink is not right,Why is he not playing,i don,t believe the toe injury or the virus why don,t they come out and tell us the truth. |
ak_27
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... Lloydy i agree with that but what im trying to say is that you have to play the numbers game to improve your chance of finding a good player. MON spends his money on average English players who cost way more then foreign imports. Why not instead of spending £8.5m on NRC use that to bring 3 young foreign players with potential into the club. 2 might not turn out to be that good but you might just uncover a gem. You also would have a proper squad in place and have real competition for the first team. |
Villain down South
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... I am still backing both MON and Lerner...all this talk of getting rid of either will not do the club any good and certainly not at the start of the season. If we suffer disruption now, this season will be over. |
StickyAV
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... Trezzy, Yes maybe they should? I am all for questioning how we play the players we have. The imposter is right, if the big boys don't hit form, we should bring in some others. My pet hate is when dumb *ss know it alls come on here shouting, MON sign Ronaldo or leave!!!? Thinking of course that if Villa want a certain player, then we should just be able to wave the cheque book and they will come running. Like in business that is how it works. I wanna point out I am not pesimistic. I am not someone who lacks ambition. But I am realistic and I realise that optimism and ambition for us, is to now achieve what we did last year. No matter what players we sign, that is going to be 10 times harder than last year. |
Alan B
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... It's getting to close to the end of the transfer market and each day that passes is one less day that MON has to make an excuse as to why he has not been able to buy, and when that final day comes he will then say what he has said before that he just ran out of time and that the players that he wanted were to expensive. I think that he will buy at least one,( because he has to ) maybe two, but I suspect no one of much note. I have been a viila supporter since 1955 and will continue to be one, but that does not stop me from being frustrated at the lack of progress that the club should be making - top 4. |
Ronan Kenny
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... Trezzy I dont think you have to worry about us signing Collins as he will probably choose Stoke over us anyway.  |
Darragh McGeown
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...I swear all these comments have just been copied and pasted from the last few days, same stuff. Damian I'll save you a job tomorrow, just call the Article " continue moaning here" And I'll copy and paste everyones comments. Sorted. Well said - its starting to get boring. |
ak_27
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... I think MON should take one thing from last nights game and that is to play Young on the right and Milner on the left for a while. |
RTVILLA
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... I am concerned, but i think several players are lethargic at the moment. Not sure the pre-season was the best. Gabby has had a late start to his pre season and i think they will be up for it on Monday night.I still think players are coming and we should be happy with MON and Lerner. This is just a blip. |
Alan B
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... I'm not sure that most of use mean most of what we are saying, just the frustration coming out I guess - In a way it shows how much of a passionate supporter we are. |
DavidC
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... foreign players good. english players bad. blah blah blah. tired with it all now to be honest with you. |
Adey Stuttard
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... Stennett, Well said my man - I actually got bored of Damians post, such negativity (for a change) anti MoN, anti Lerner, anti any player we are linked with, it is so bloody boring now, and it's turning everyone into Taglor and Jinksy. For christ sake we lost 1-0 away in the first leg of a Mickey Mouse Cup (I say MM Cup, because half the fickle fans on here don't bother to go and watch us play in it), chance for MoN to experiment a bit, give the likes of Guzan valuable time, etc. We can tell the schools have broken up for Summer can't we, with all this MoN, Lerner out shite - yes, let's have Doug and O'Dreary back NOW! Up the Villa, no matter where, no matter what! |
Dave
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... StickyAV - I take some of your points but your obvious love and respect for Manchester as a city is way over the top mate... |
Darragh McGeown
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... Is Carew trying to keep himself out of the team in case he injures himself and ruins a possible move away from VP? Something stinks with that whole affair and I fear if he leaves we'll be in a big pile of the brown stuff! |
ak_27
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... DavidC so what do you think is the problem at the moment? Instead of the likes of you and others just coming on and stating trust MON why not put down an actual football opinion to back it up for a change? Like do you see anything wrong with the set up at the moment or do you have your head buried especially deep in the sand at the moment? |
Villa 109
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... StickyAV, don't pretend you're a Villa fan. I can't believe some Villans have been sucked in by your bull. What Villa fan would say, about Manchester, "a thriving city that people country wide love"? Yeah, we love the arrogance of that little city that dares to call itself 'the second city' despite having a population half that of Birmingham. Get back to your own Man City forum and discuss 4th spot as you are no more a Villa fan than Jasper Carrott. PS all the tossers (probably the idiots who booed at HALF time and full time at Wigan) calling for the head of MON......who would YOU have as his replacement?? |
Hadders7
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... StickyAV - Well said and I agree totally! I do think MON should drop that useless knob Heskey though and play Carew...he's not injured, just gutted and bemused as to how that fookin donkey get's picked in front of him! I fear that if that continues, Carew will be gone...then it will hit the fan! |
Faccundo
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... RockSteady I agree with you. I think Lerner is moving behind the scenes to sell Carew and pocket the cash. I sincerely hope not though, as he is far and away our most accomplished striker. Who can forget his inspirational goals for Lyon against Real Madrid, esp his mazy run and backheel nutmeg of Casillas. Do not replace the great man w/ that hack Collins Lerner |
Matty
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... James Collins for god sake! Average at best. We should be looking for far better than him. I know replacing Laursen is going to be near impossible but, Collins. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! |
Tim Wood
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... What a bunch of pathetic whinging children you are.... wen need more players.....don't want that one......why we spending that much on him..... its all your fault.....wheres the money.....why have we not signed him......he's better than him.....no hes not.....yes he is.....the shirts the same.....wheres the passion Rather than calling for MON or RL to leave, I've got an idea why don't you all just take a long hard look in the mirror and extricate yourselves and let us proper fans support our team whether we are winning or losing whoever is in charge, in the dugout or on the pitch. We are Aston Villa, you are a bunch of pathetic moronic idiots that think you know more about football and the club than the people in charge. If you know so much and are that f**king great ask yourselves this.... Why are you not a professional football manager, rather than wasting your time in your dead end jobs? |
Aero - In Randy I Trust, NOT Mon
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... James Collins? dear oh dear... we are a bloody laughing stock! What the hell is wrong with that thick, stubborn asshole that he cant just make one decent signing? i really am starting to hate that man, literaly. He is an absolute pr**k! End of story... UTV! |
testie
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... The moaning is getting boring, but in a way the moaning is justified. I know it's only two games but come on, just one spark from Milner or Young, a lightning Gabby run behind a defence. A center back pairing that looks solid for 5 minutes. Someone in midfield spreading the play out wide creating some space, anything other than watching a set of player that look like they haven't played together before. We have made such a bad start to the season. I'm well looking forward to the Liverpool game, i |
carl 8767
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... if this is true that learner has not given MON money which i dont belive it is i jus think MON is s**t in the market wud any of you really blame him for not doing it if he has look at wot MON has done with the money he has had to spend in my eyes apart mayb 2 or 3 players out of every1 he has signed are decent all the others are not going to improve or have not improved us |
Matty
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... We have loads of scouts and advisors. There shouldn't be any excuse. Its not just MON who has the influence. |
OJay
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... I think its to easy to point the finger at MON, I mean he is a legend. We need to have faith in him, if he goes we wont get a better manager. Come on Randy put your hand in your pocket and spend spend spend. Make it quick though |
trustme
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... IF I was Learner , MO'N would not be trusted with my money anymore , sold Cahill bought Davies 10m Cuella 7m ten month after Rangers paid 1.5m sold Steven Davis 2m replaced with Reo Cocoa the clown fell over Big John Carew then sold Angel who had waited for 3 years for a big man along side him.Plus Sidwell-Shorey-Baye-Downing-Heskey the list goes on GET HIM OUT NOW , they said Newcastle were to big to go down , Hes turning us into Leicester city , Dont wait for hit to be to-late. |
Jonathan
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... 1874AVFC We can tell the schools have broken up for Summer can't we Up the Villa, no matter where, no matter what! Agreed! Glory Hunters out now! |
OJay
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... "Aero - In Randy I Trust, NOT Mon" Chill out! You dont sound like a true villa supporter to me you just like pointing the finger cause its easy. |
Josh
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... Simple facts - we lost Wigan cus we were shit. We lost Vienna because we were 1 down in 15 seconds. Improvements to the strikers (or at least getting Carew to play) and some stronger defenders would be handy. Will probably come together nicely when Bouma, Young and Carew are back. I hope. |
Peen Vageen
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... Ojay - Im sorry mate but hes not pointing the finger that IS the reason. Its been like this since february, MoN lost the players respect in europe last year and hes losing the fans aswell now  Just because people think the same do not mean that they arent "true villa supporters", i could say your not a true villa supporter because you dont care about whats happenening or where were going Someone sort this mess out!! |
Mike Carter
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... Damian I think you need to get away from this idea that Lerner is like Ellis, in that he has spent one season and not spent the next. The 2008-09 season is the only one so far in which we've really spent good cash. The two seasons before were both minimal, yes 06-07 was more than 07-08, but only by £10m-ish. To say this is a purposeful tactic I think is way off the mark. The outgoings were the same - the only reason the net was different was because O'Neill sold a bunch of deadbeats we didn't need. He hasn't had a clearout like that since so I think it's pretty safe to say he was operating under a similar budget. |
JohnnyMcleod
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... I find it very worrying when MON tells us that by the return leg we should be that bit fitter, indicating that we started the season unfit or not fit enough. Isn't that just extremely poor management to begin the campaign giving every other side a head start ? I can't go along with all those saying believe in MON it will all come good, I think we all know what will happen by the end of August, 2 or 3 panic buys for 4 million each who get shipped out like Zat Knight after a couple of seasons. Overall, no forward planning, lousy coaching, inabilility to adapt to everyone sussing us out, and an arrogant complacency. Solution: get rid of the current coaching staff, bring in Laursen to coach the defence, promote Sid to coach the midfield, and bring back Peter Withe to breathe some life into our disfunctional forward line, then give MON to the end of the season. Don't blame Randy !!! |
Matty
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... I'm sure that if MON wanted someone decent, Lerner would fund it. He just doesn't seem to be ambitious in that respect. |
Mikey18
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... Listen if theres no funds available theres no funds available. Do everton fans scream Bill Kenwright OUT? They've signed no new players and have no funds available, wheres there T.V Money etc. We've pulled out of been an olympic Venue, obviously because there is a considerable chance that Villa park's capacity will be increased. I just hope the addition 8,000 fans on match days aren't as fickle as you lot. |
Mikey18
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... MoN and Lerner are a God send after the era of O'leary and Doug. We were SO close to crumbling as a football club. They said give them 5 years so give them 5 years! MoN got us into the competition. When was the last time we were in europe? Every manager in the premier league has flaws, MoN's in the transfer market. We've done well previously thought haven't we! GET A GRIP |
carl 8767
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... Mikey18 just go n read the transfer clockwatch for today on SSN and see wot David Moyes has said about how many players he wants before the end of window thats why everton fans r not shoutin for ppl to be sacked |
ak_27
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... MON has not been able to adapt to losing Laursen attacking set pieces and corners and getting us goals. I no longer get hopeful the way i did a year ago we when got a corner or free kick in a dangerous area as now we have nobody to atack these and Youngs deliveries have gone back a good bit. When was the last time we scored ffrom one of these positions? |
Dave J
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... Faccundo - never heard such a load of puerile, reactionary ill informed drivel in my life. If this squad had won the first two games instead of losing them would we be hearing all this? Two (really) poor performances does not make Lerner a bad chairman all of a sudden. |
carl 8767
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... DaveJ 15 games though does make MON a bad manager as its not just 2 games we have not won it 2 wins in 15 not good enough !!! |
Peen Vageen
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... Dave J - No we wouldnt, or if we won the last 18 league games..........thats the point |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Also Mikey18 i think the other problem is we have been told there is money to spend this transfer window and we haven't really spent anything!!! |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Dave J i agree with you Collins is a great player and easily worth 5 mill actually possibly 7 mill. |
carl 8767
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... chicohamiltonpants - that comment about collins did you mean you agree that he is worth 5 milkyways or even possible 7 milkyways becuz u cant have ment 5 or 7 million |
Leroy
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... David O´Leary has left his mark at VP FICKLE Can we just not mention that f**king word anymore. Damian, a poll to consider could be "how much time should MON get to have us in the top 4".....might be some different kind of debate for once? |
StickyAV
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... Villa 109 Jeez, What a clever guy. Of course to be a villa fan I have to think that Birmingham is the greatest place to live in all the world!!!? If I have ever lived anywhere else, or think that any other city has any appeal whatsoever, I'm obviously not a true villa fan. Nice one pal. I was born in Brum and grew up there. But since 18 have been lived all over the country, and a year in France. Now in London. Still go to every game I can get to. Why is it that people have to think that where they were born is the best? How narrow minded? It's the American mentality. "America is the greatest!!" - "Have you ever travelled outside the US?" - "No" - "How do you know then?" - "because it is a fact!". Nice one. And regarding Machester - I have over the years, discussed the places I have lived and been with people home and abroad. I do not base my comments on the appeal of our city on my opinion. It is based on all those I have ever met, home and abroad, and dicussed England, it's cities, and it's football sides. |
Dave J
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... I suggest you save all the ranting and venting of spleen until after the windown has shut. If we go into September with tis squad then it will be suicidal I think we'd all agree with that, but all this "We've got no money", "Lerner needs to spend", "MON is an idiot" stuff is just daft. Bottom line is we don't know what the financial situation is or what MON has or hasn't tried to do. We read stuff in papers and on SSN and treat it as gospel. These first two performances have not been acceptable I think we'd all accept that as well but I think a sense of realism and perspective is needed by a great many on here |
Lions Den Penang
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... I think some of the armchair anarchists on this site would be best advised not to read why some believe Villa are the best run club, enjoy............. http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/in...ers-league |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... No Carl8767 he is complete quality i don't know what i was thinking in fact i think we should table a bid for 13 mill he world class!!!! finding someone to make the tea is difficult now days MON would be wise to sign him then he could sell him next year for the milkyways as his next destination would probably be the cadburys factory. I here they have very week tea. |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... And Carl as Vijay would say i know someone whos spoke to someone whos related to someone at the cadburys factory and its a fact they have weak tea!!!!! |
Rob The Villain
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... Well the good news is that Man City have ended their interest in Lescott, atleast we won't have to compete with Everton for a defender! Reading stuff on Collins, his good mate Etherington has been talking to him about Stoke, I hope he's persuaded him to go there instead. I've watched Collins many times for Wales (being Welsh!) and he's just not what we should be looking for. I'm still holding out hope for Hangeland, someone came on here the other day and mentioned that we've been in talks with Fulham and were interested in him in Jan. The deadline for this was Monday, ready for the Liverpool game! On that note, I'm bricking it for the Liverpool game, for me personally it's the biggest game of the season as my whole family supports Liverpool! I hope to God we don't get stuffed again, I guess the best I can hope for at the moment is a draw! |
carl 8767
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... rob the villain the best you can hope for at the mo mate is to only concede 2 or 3 |
Mikey18
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... Carl 8767 MoN has come out and said he wanted five more players a couple of weeks ago! and said this after the wigan game http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_5494596,00.html Carl 8767 are you actually a supported? do you follow the villa, or just the results? |
RichT
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... Collins is VERY poor! This cannot happen. Zat is better. Our transfer policy is a joke- pay top dollar for shit! It's is not Learners fault and he must be getting sick of seeing his money wasted! |
Alex G
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... First XI for liverpool, think if MON can give them a confidence boost show the Good game that we won playing 4-5-1. maybe show them the 2-0 win over arsenal, then play the following team Guzan Young Davies (Beye) Cuellar Shorey Reo Coker Petrov Agbonlahor Young Milner Carew/Heskey Young and milner to rotate positions. Any of the front 5 that is not performing bring on sidwell/delph. What you reckon? Could have distin signed today and he would be partnering cuellar. |
Rowley Villain
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... Mikey18 Carl8767 just likes to be as negative as he can. Ignore him, he's like a child. He just wants the attention |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... If a guy turned up on your door and said "I work for acompany called Tomorrow’s Company" Would you say A isn't that an old BBC science program B Why is it tommorrow not today or C F*** off you thieving gypsy |
Rob The Villain
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... I've changed my mind, think we might get a cheeky win! Skrtel and Agger are injured so that means Carragher and Ayala at the back. I just hope to God Carew is fit, he should be all over that youngster Ayala. I can't bare to watch Heskey anymore, it's embarrasing! Did anyone else see the chance he had just after Rapid's goal? No one near him, 8 yards out, all he had to do was control in and stick it in the bottom corner. He touch was so bad it just trickled towards their keeper! We HAVE to go with 5 in midfield aswell, we're too lightweight for 4. |
Dabblepuss
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... We are absolutely shocking - James Collins, what an absolute joke. If we sign that waste of space it clearly reiterates O'Neill's massive lack of ability to sign a player. Getting more and more frustrated by the second. |
carl 8767
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... mikey18 for info i am season ticket holder and have been for the last 15 years yh MON did come out and say that, he also sold zat knight in that time he is about to sell gardner to the scum, and before that he said he would'nt sell player until we had replacements in so that was a load of s**t and if you want to compare this with everton, who have everton actually sold ?? but are goin to sign an extra 4, and of who we signed i dont rate any of them mayb delph in the future but thats it p.s wot sort of armchair do you watch the results come in on soccer saturdays from  |
IrishVillan
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... Just seen on SSN that Zaki still wants to play in England. Didn't he publicly state that we wanted to sign him in January? Anyone think he'd be a good signing? I sure as hell do, at least he might make some kind shape up front, unlike the rest of them, bar Carew. |
David Tyler
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... I enjoy reading your posts, Damian but the rest of the "fans" on this sight make me dispair. That's it for me, so long all. |
trustme
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... 11 points out of 42 dont lie , we were told at xmas that he had 20m to spend any Villa fan that went to matches could see that we needed defenders. MO.N could only spend 3.5m on Heskey , do we have a scouting network or not . Davies 10m in 2 years has never been man-o-match niether as Cuella 7m Reo cocoa the clown 8.5m Shorey 5m , Would you trust him with your money . |
carl 8767
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... Rowley villain im being realistic plus thats my opinion and also quite a few others at the moment |
jamo
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... I think the most worrying thing is that we are lacking that spark of invention and creativity within the team. Ashley and Gabby are shadows of their former selves and gabby was looking a bit on the heavy side last night and for someone whose entire game is based on him being quick and intuitive with his counter attacking ability it comes as a disappointment. If you look at our best games last year, the lightning quick counter attacking nature we had was what got other teams worried. We seem to have lost all cohesion going forward and are simply playing a desperate long ball game. Somehow the team think they are arsenal when they get around the box almost passing the ball into the goal, but ultimately losing the ball at the crucial moment, we don't seem to have a player with the confidence or eye to just have a pop at goal. Players like rooney, gerrard, lampard - even players like stephen hunt, palacios the list goes on. I think we do need another striker -but who would we go after? After seeing defoe, bent, keane, crouch pass by us and slip seemless into mostly tottenhams team is just depressing. I can see us picking someone like marcus bent up off the bluenoses if anything, and it would be easy to blame martin or randy for this but I really dont think that we are an attractive option for any players. We pride the club on its stabilty and values but where does that get us? Players are greedy and the type of player we are wanting to attract will rather go elsewhere, mostly for the money or location - if a player picks a club like hull, blackburn, portsmouth and the best example newcastle of a couple of seasons ago - big wages, long contracts, relegation clauses - the players no if anything went wrong and they were relegated then the club would have to sell, thus making the player money in the form of loyalty bonuses, clauses and cancellation of their contract pay offs. unfortunately the top four will remain, maybe a little challenge fromm man city, but just the length of time they have been at the top, with all their options mean that no other club will get a chance in the premiership - and villa have become the party that no one wants to attend, not even some of our current players by the look of their attitude within the past couple of games. |
chodski
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... i still have faith in mon and lerner,but maybe a change of backroom staff is necessary,are the scouts doing there jobs properly? etc i does not seem like it,i am happy to give it a few more games,we will find form and come good  |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Rob the villian, we only have one first team CB the only striker that can score we have doesn't seem to want to play. I admire your optimism i would love to buy you a few drinks and maybe your optimism would rub off on me!!! |
Mikey18
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... ak_27, i would like to know what your exact gripes with the current establishment are! Laursen and Barry are irreplaceable as players! Yes we miss them any team would. Just like Ronaldo and Alonso. They can't be replaced, we can only hope that we move forward as a team, as a unit. MoN has flaws as a manager, Lerner has flaws as an owner, they both have flaws, make mistakes and don't please everybody because they are human! Maybe we have money available but we can't attract the players we won't? i.e Bentley chose tottenham ahead of us last year! People who say MoN and lerner are doing so on assumptions, hes not spending the money, her not giving the money. He pushing carew out the squad. hes plotting to sell carew and pocket the cash! conspiracy theories from fickle people who can't appreciate the work that's been done |
James
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... I think reading these forums is not good for my health as they are so negative and depressing. I might just stick with the main stream media for a while.... read about MON talking up Villa'a chances. Then when Villa's form improves (which it will - remember theres only been 2 bad games) the forums will be positive about our beloved Villa once again! |
Rob The Villain
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... Chico, it's depressing reading comment after comment of all the doom and gloom so I'm just going to pretend like everything's ok I blame this horrendous run purely on Heskey, it's all his fault! Does anyone know where he lives? I'd gladly take 15 years in prison for his murder! |
carl 8767
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... mikey 18 your comment to ak27 barry n laursen r irreplaceable is a load of s**t they are replacable but our manager does not sign class players he signs average players but they r replacable |
Peen Vageen
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...I blame this horrendous run purely on Heskey, it's all his fault! Does anyone know where he lives? I'd gladly take 15 years in prison for his murder! I'm guessing he lives in a stable |
gareth
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... i think that all who slate lerner wanna have a think back to the deadly days when we could not even water the f***ing pitch the man has invested plenty of money on an off the pitch i mean would any of you trust mon with your money after the shit he keeps buyin 2 or 3 have worked out but the amount of flops we have is just a joke i can think of a handful of prem managers who do a better job than mon with the money they have to spend compared to him ive said it before ill say it again this will be mons last season |
Chris Platt
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... Faccundo Shows how much you know about American Football mate. Lerner doesn't need or use any Villa money for the browns. It all takes care of itself over here. Quit talking out of your ass, and trying to start a Lerner out campaign. This man has Villa close to his heart. Hes a quiet man who doesn't talk in front of a camera. How can you say funds havn't been made available. MON spent 50 million last summer, or damn close to it. Spending 12 million on a crocked winger earlier this summer tells me there is more money to spend. Grow up |
ak_27
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... Mikey18 my gripe is with one man only and that is MON. He is a dinosuar of a manager. The game has moved on and he has been left behind. That happens to good managers some times as it happened in fact to his role model Clough. You are right has flaws and they are not just his transfers policy but also his football style and tactical ability. Its not just one thing but a combination of factors that he will not be able to change as they are at the core of his personality. You keep quiestioning people on are they really fans and i can easily throw the same back at those people who are very accepting of mederiocrity. And that is all we will get long term with this man in charge. Open your eyes people and just look at the rubbish football we play. Look at how uncomfortable most of our players are in possession. Look at the one dimensional play we have been at since MON took charge. We got away with it for a while as teams weren't used to it and also had Laursen to attack set pieces. Old style football in a league moving a different way. |
Mikey18
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... Carl you don't rate any of our signing apart from delph, well which of everton's signings do you rate? Everton have actually let 3 players go this window, Jacobsen, Van Der Meyde and another whos name escapes me. And your speculating that we are going to sell gardner to the scum, i wouldn't mind if we did because i thought he was useless last night, and doesn't do much int he way of taking us forward. You are speculating that Moyes will sign 4 players before the window closes...maybe he will maybe he won't. Whats to say MoN won't sign 4 players before the window closes? I think one of the reasons we are performing so badly is because the team has no confidence because of idiots booing them throughout the game at wigan! Maybe we should try and do our jobs and support the team, and be that 12th man! |
Faccundo
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... No more than 12m more will be spent before the window closes Mark my words I agree with Damian, Lerner = Ellis Mk 2 There is no cash t speand, don't blame MON and don't believe the spin! |
Christian
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... Jschulze-Aus, you said remember theres only been 2 bad games Only 2 bad games? Have you only been following Villa since 15th August 2009? How about 20 bad games... |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Clevelandvillian hate to depress you but we've only spent 4 million quid this transfer window thats doesn't sound like the millions we were told before we sold Barry. Sorry CV not on your case just stating the obvious. |
adam
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... collins would be good cover for defence. the only problem being, we need someone good to stick in the starting eleven not f**kin cover |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Trustme we don't need to do anything to Davis he did it to himself he just fell over and has done his shoulder. I worship the ground he walks on!!!!!! |
Faccundo
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... Clevelandvillain I could care less about American handball I'm a football fan I will NEVER stop my campaign for Villa's improvement until were competing for the European Cup each and every season. Now I'm not a realist, I'm a dreamer, that's why I'm a football fan, and especially a VILLA fan. Stump up more than 12m before monday week and I'll retract everything. If not hell for leather Lerner OUT! |
Chris Platt
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... ChicoHamiltonsPants I understand that but until someone proves to me that its Lerner not giving MON the funds instead of MON sitting on his hands then it is what it is. If that is the case then MON should be called on spending his entire budget on a crocked winger when its obvious to everyone else that defence should have been the top priority |
Christian
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... As always Ak_27, spot on. Open your eyes people and just look at the rubbish football we play. Look at how uncomfortable most of our players are in possession. Look at the one dimensional play we have been at since MON took charge. We got away with it for a while as teams weren't used to it and also had Laursen to attack set pieces. Old style football in a league moving a different way. Mikey, there may be some truth in what you say about players performing poorly because of the booing- some players may respond to this, others wont. But against Wigan there was NO booing until half time- and we were still disgracefully bad. So I don't think the booing has much to do with the level of our performance. |
Chris Platt
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... Faccundo Chill out man.. I only brought it up because you did. Go get yourself a couple of drinks, take a nap and call me in the morning |
bobvillian
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... my son supports cardiff and he says collins was shit when he played there so mon would be mad to even think his our man for ch |
carl 8767
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... Mikey 18 those player they have let go r that good you cant remember one of em and gardner had a bad game last nite ok but if we r wrking on that lets sell the whole team go after saturdays display cuz thats wot ur sayin plus the fans did not boo the player through the game they booed them at half time then cheered them back out and at full time so stop talking out your ass becuz thats not the whole game all and i didnt say MON would not sign 4 players its unlikly bt he might but the quality is another question moyes will sign better than we do who do i rate @ everton who they have signed Tim Cahill Tim Howard Phil Jagielka Joleon Lescott Louis Saha Mikel Arteta Yakubu Pienaar may not have been signed this summer but signed by moyes need i go on you t**t, |
Mikey18
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... Carl who would you replace Laursen with, a defender that was a leader, constantly scored from set pieces and was one of the best defenders in the air i've seen! Who, in the world would you replace him with? Ferdinand would not be a replacement...not saying hes not a better player but he wouldn't replace the goals laursen provided. Lescott isn't a replacement hes not a leader like laursen! Ak-27, im questioning what do some of the negative comments on here achieve. The constant negative speculation about Carew, trasnfer funds and transfer targets is just a source of depression! MoN is from the old skool i agree, but last night he changed to a 4-5-1 formation a more modern one, don't you agree? He came out last week and said hes going to use more of his squad. He's started using more of his substitutes. He's even come out and said we need to change the way we play! His transfer policy we know nothing about. We don't know who he has bid for or who he hasn't. People say he pays over the odds for players, but maybe he has to sometimes. His tactics, transfer policy and football philosophy got us in touching distance of 4th last season, if we would of managed to keep Laursen for the whole of the season we would of finished top 4! Which is a great achievement! MoN has done a lot for the club, its just frustrating to see how quickly people forget it! I don't think everything is rosy, an there are problems. |
Hadders7
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... Rob The Villain /ChicoHamiltonsPants "I blame this horrendous run purely on Heskey, it's all his fault! Does anyone know where he lives? I'd gladly take 15 years in prison for his murder!" Don't worry guy's, I'm a police officer, I will gladly cover the whole thing up for you so you don't have to do bird...you would go down in Villa folk-law! |
trustme
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... Someone tell MO'N how the rotation system works , you dont just move them around to different positions like he did last year. |
carl 8767
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... Mikey i would take lescott he scores n he is a solid defender but as always we are always to late to sign players look at boswinga we were linked with him for ages suddenly chelsea want him get the bid walk way with the player dont get me wrong laursen was a class act bt is replacable and you dont have to have a CB that scores you goals as long he is a solid good player and leader for your back line you wouldnt not sign a cb becuz he does not score goals |
Rob The Villain
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... Right, any more takers on murdering Heskey? We might need to rent a bus at this rate! |
Jinksy
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... 1874AVFC - Don't have a go at me i'm looking in reading the posts i haven't said a thing so don't blame me. The truth is if Villa were playing well, MON had money and had spent it wisely, Learner addressed the fans & told us how it is etc do you really think true Villa fans would be moaning on here? I've only responded to your post that mentions me i wasn't going to post because i feel i've said it all & i'm bored of it. Now is the time for Aston Villa FC to put up or shut up. 10 days i believe we have to put right this mess 10 days. I'm going to keep stum & wait...but god your going to hate me on 1st of september if nothing has been done or if players like Collins are MON's answer to this mess we are in. You will hear nothing from me untill 1st September or unless something amazing happens like a top class player signs.. |
Billy7
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... We cant seriously be signing Collins as a replacement for Laursen? Can we? Or is he happy with the 2 we've got and Collins as back up with the youngsters? Hopefully, (if we do sign Collins) he'll be back up WITH Davies 3rd choice behind Hangleand and Cuellar. luke Young RB, warnock LB, Milner Petrov Ash Sidwell CREATIVE PLAYER (PLEASE) And Carew up top, this is all i'm asking, 3 shinings, Hangleand Warnock and a 15m player in the middle. |
Rob The Villain
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... Right so I've got the bus sorted. The burp has the tunes sorted. B30 Villain is on look out duty. Hadders7 has got the prison time sorted. Trustme is arranging a de-tour to Davies' house. and finally Chico's got the axe (I like your style)! I'm free Saturday! |
steve2000
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... Damian - I used to enjoy this site but the childish nonense you get in the comments when things are a little bad ruins it. I know you cant prevent it. Opinion is one thing but unsubstantiated comments from the kids and taglor ruins the site. |
Dave J
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... Carl 8787 - how do you know we were really interested in Bosingwa? You don't. You read it on Tribal Football a few times and thought it was gospel. Even if we were who is to say it wasn't the player dragging his feet waiting to see who else came in for him or his club constantly putting the price up? |
Mikey18
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... First of all, carl stop with the personal insults! We have differing views on villa. If you love David Moyes so much maybe your supporting the wrong club! I'm happy with a lot of MoN signings. Friedel, Guzan, Young, Petrov Milner Young Carew are all players I love to see turning out in claret and blue! I do agree that Moyes is a good manager and has a good eye for talent. But despite what people think over the years he has spent a lot of money, Andy Johnson and James Beattie spring to mind. Its simple as this Milner, Gabby and Gardner haven't had much in way of a pre-season because they were with the U-21's. The 11 that started against wigan was a very experimental side, which hasn't spent a lot of time playing together and also struggling for fitness, which is two of the reasons we played so poorly. In the first half we had a good 15-20 min spell, then got abit sloppy, conceded a wonder goal and the heads went down. Then they were boo'd off at half time which probably compounded the players lack of confidence. |
gareth
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... when we signed heskey i was fairly happy as i thought ok not bad cover 4 big john but not 4 1 minute did it enter my head that it would be the other way round carew does all that heskey can plus the thing that strikers r paid 4 puttin the bloody ball in the net i just hope whatever is goin on with carew gets sorted cause to lose another influential player would be 1 too many if its not already |
carl 8767
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... MON has conned u lot with the comment we wud like a player of sneijders quality n u all got excited bt dont seem to see that was exactly wot he wanted to do to get us of his back and it wrked cuz u all belived him |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Hadders could we borrow a gun i don't want to get blood on my new villa shirt and i think it would be fairer on the old dear too. We'd have it back by the morning minus 2 rounds!!!! |
Rowley Villain
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... Carl I don't think MON is under pressure nor does he think he is. His comment on Sneijder was, I think, legitimate and sincere. What's that saying "if you haven't got anything good to say ............." |
Hadders7
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... ChicoHamiltonsPants - No probs, I can take a few rounds during training that way no forensic trail...I have to say though, I am liking the sound of the axe option...is that wrong??? |
carl 8767
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... Mikey a good 15-20min spell i sat there for 90mins i did not see any good spell this thing with we are tired from pre season always comes up every season last season we stated to early this year we are tired these players are not overworked in training i have watched plus the players that played in the summer got extra time off mikey u r looking through claret and blue glasses mate n not being realistic you need to start payin attention to our play n s**t manager do you go to villa park or wot ?? becuz from wot u say sounds like you watch match of day n thats it n mayb listen to radio |
Mikey18
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... I don't think you understand what im saying. We won't replace Laursen because he gave us a package of attributes, leadership, goals, solid aerial defense which no other player in the world can give us. Lescott would be a good replacement and he would offer a different package, solid defender and goals, but we would need someone else to lead like laursen did. Bosingwa eventually cost about 20mil+ do you think we have the money to spend on a right back? Would you really want us to spend that sort of money on a right back? people say we paid over the odds for Luke Young at 6mil and hes a solid defender recently called up to the england squad! |
Amog2000
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... Get a grip. Two games into the season and people are calling for the sacking of our manager. What is your problem? Let MON do his thing. If come Christmas it's looking dodgy, then get worried, otherwise stop your whinging and support your team. Man Utd had a very slow start last season and look where that got them. Have some patience. You are fickle and I just dont like you. |
Dave J
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... Carl 8767 - so MON made up the Sneijder thing to get us off his back? Slightly paranoid mate don't you think? |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... RowleyVillian i agree totally if you haven't got anything good to say then don't say it. I like to start with the press, stop telling us we're going to sign collins. That is not good far from it!! |
Biriani
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...You are fickle and I just dont like you. Yes, I am fickle, and I don't like you either |
celtic_villan
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... DAMIAN, i really think you should drop this lerner thing. you and i have no idea what kind of funds are available to mon. we were one of the biggest spending clubs in europe last season, and you were still giving out last season. i think you are abusing your position and trying to start a witch hunt against lerner, which is very dangerous as he is the best thing that has happened to the club in 15 years |
trustme
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... Agree with carl , this team cant be saved , started last year we got results we did not deserve , Everyone knows you build a team from the back and our defence have no defence there useless . |
FatKevs
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... What other manager in our history would of been forgiven for getting rid of players before he had a replacement. The likes of ZK was not playing up or angling for a move but as soon as MoN saw the chance of a few shilling off he went. He has been appauling in the transfer market in any other buisness the responsiblity would have been taken off him but we have such a weak chairman anything goes |
Billy7
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... I think Heskey gets too much stick on here, he works as hard as any other player, i like to see players working hard. The whole team have been shit for a while now, not just Heskey, i mean what has Ashley Young done in the 2 games? Nothing! What we have to do is wait and see who we sign AND see how we do this season, i wont call for MON or RL HEAD, but next May, maybe, although i hope we're shocked, Young finds his form as well as Heskey Gabby, Davies, Cuellar etc etc. NOT JUST HESKEY |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Hadders its just the blades a bit sharp at the moment and with that i would probably start lecturing heskey how he needs to be sharp like the axe. This might go on for some time and i know its a surprise but he may escape. We could just bring the axe!! |
carl 8767
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... mikey he was not 20mil wen we wanted him though u dont get wot im sayin im sure had he signed him for 12M like he was worth at the time im sure villa fans would have been happy at that look you aint goin to get wot other ppl think cuz you love MON n thats fine but he aint goin to take this club any further but if you belive he will then u stick by that n we will see |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Billy i agree Heskey does get alot of stick and he does run around alot and that is hard work so maybe he'd be better suited to working in the Villa shop he could run around and work hard and we could all get his autograph and have pictures taken with him and tell him that 3 goals a aseason isn't really that bad for a striker. Its only bad in the imaginary world of Champ Manager. |
Daveyboy
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... Please guys give o neill a break he has lifted the club up no end since his arrival european qualification 2 years on the bounce when was the lst time that happened i agree some signings havnt beeen the best but i am convinced he will put it right by september the 1st saa mentioned on this post previously he tends to do the majority of his signings at the end of the window UTV!!!!!!!!!! |
robm
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... celtic-villain Yes one of the biggest spending clubs in europe last season but we ell away badly at the end. That is why having lost 2 of our better players we should be replacing them with as good if not better and adding to a small squad. |
Hadders7
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... ChicoHamiltonsPants - Don't worry about him getting away, I will taser him first! |
trustme
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... Heskey gets to much stick , Gabby nor Ash were both useless after the new year , So if the system was changed back to 442 , not forgeting we play this with Carew and only changed when Carew went on dance about.We lost Lausen and the whole team suffered because of the defence not being good enough , MO'N has 2 rules . Rule 1, MO'N his always right , Rule 2, If MO'N his wrong see rule 1. |
Matthew Clark
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... firstly, the reason heskey gets more stick than ashley is the fact that ashley is a decent footballer who is out of form. whereas heskey is a shite footballer. Hence the stick he receives. secondly, people who say things like 'do you think man utd fans call for fergusons head after 2 loses, blah blah, you're all so fickle, yadda yadda', to compare the two situations is absolutely ridiculous and you should self-harm just for thinking it up. |
James
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...tell him that 3 goals a aseason isn't really that bad for a striker. Its only bad in the imaginary world of Champ Manager. haha |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Daveyboy i have the upmost respect for anyone named after a wrestler but don't you think that collins would just be another bad signing?? |
habibb
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... wow an actually less negative post. i'm rather in shock to be honest :O hurry up cutting the grass, it's gonnna rain |
clarkamus
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... subotic looks like he would be an excellent buy we need defenders !!!!!!!! come on!!!! |
Mikey18
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... I believe in the facts Carl, and the facts are that MoN last year has got us 62 pts, the season before 60pts in the last 15 years!!! (since u first got your season ticket) we got 63pts in the 95/96 season and 61 in the 96/97 season. So MoN has bought the greatest pts total and period of consistency in the last 12 years! FACT! Taking this into consideration im willing to give the SAVIOUR of my football club, who took us from the bring of relegation (05/06 season, finished 16th) to the cusp of the Champions league, the support he needs! Did you boo at wigan carl? |
Oli
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... I for one cant understand how lerner is to blame in all of this. afterall look how much we spent last season. And even this season weve spent alot of downing when really we could of got him cheaper. so it proves mon is not on a tight leash and he just doesnt know how to buy anyone not based in britain. if we get collins for more or less the same price as one of the hottest strikers in europe Chamakh, then it shows there money avaialable, its just mon doesnt have a clue how to spend it wisely. also Sneijder is avaialable for 15m and we spend 1m on downing, how you figure that out. |
Billy7
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... chico.... I agree, i want a forward who is gonna score 20 goals but MON bought Heskey knowing what he was getting, and we all knew, and he does what i thought he'd do. He is doing his all (not good enough but doing his all) so other players (Ash, my favourite player) dont seem to be doing his all, yet Heskey gets all the stick? If u know what i mean? |
Damian
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... steve2000 thanks. we have a forum where there isn't so much of it: http://www.villabanter.com/forum we are actually thinking of migrating it to within this site also celtic_villan you are right. we don't know how much is available but if we don't spend much it is a fair assumption that we didn't have much. if we spent £100mn it would be a fair assumption that we had a lot Stennett i might just do that but i'm hoping for some positive news from the club today so it should hopefully be a positive post tomorrow 1874AVFC i give up. where is the negativity towards o'neill or collins above? |
gregdavillain
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... whats all this bullsit oneill went on about 'we need to invest and replave the spine of the team'??? (A) he either has no money (B) he thinks collins and delph can replace barry laursen |
Oli
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... sorry 12m on downing. it just goes to prove though, we could of bought chamakh and sneijder for more or less the same money as we spent on downing, delph and beye, and im sure noone would be complaining about signings then. I feel whether we had a scouting network or not it wouldnt make a difference, becuase Mon seems like hes very stubborn in the transfer market and only wants british based players. |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Clarkamus if you look at the facts we have only signed one player from a foreign club that being Daddy cool. And before anyone says Big John that was a fluke they had no money and MON wanted rid of Barros. I don't class Scotland as being foreign don't hate me for this. |
carl 8767
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... mikey no i didnt boo at the wigan wot difference that makes i dont know bt if fans do want to do boo they r entitled to we pay a lot of money to voice our opinions you still havent answered my question anyway have u gt or had a season ticket or do you watch match of the day and if we are wrking on facts then lets do that y did MON have to be told by other managers that he used only 17 players last season shud he not know this why has he still not brought the players to stop this happening again those are also facts we will struggle to get 9th this season unless we sign 4 QUALITY players |
gregdavillain
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... through all the last transfer windows i stood by oneill, and il tell u why. We most oftenput in terrible first half performance, but after the half time teamtalk we'd come out with fire in the belly. O neill could motivate the players when things werent going well. But since feb this has not been the case, and i thought he would porove himself in the transfer market this summer to fix the sides shortcomings, but yet again we are all left angry,frustrated and dissapointed with the lack of activity, and links to more mediocre/terrible players. We are sticking with the mule up front, gabby seems overweight and oneill cannot bring the best out of young,davies,sidweill and reo coker all of whom are his own signings. We've ldft things late and we are looking for quality cb's and so are city with whom we cant compete. The likes of sunderland have made better tranfers than us, we get hammerred at home again by a mid table team who in turn get beat at home by our newly promoted mid land rivals wolves. Aston Villa are becoming a joke and im f**king pissed at myself for having such great hope over the last 3 years but f**king nothing ever changes at this club. Without success for years comes the greater need for it. ASton villa will be like newcastle and become the impossible job, with too much expectation from fans because of years of waiting in frustration. Its time to stop the rot. Randy give oneill the money or get the f**k out |
jk92923
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... Sennett/1874AVFC set up a new forum and i will be happy to join and chat about all things great about Villa! this site was never like this. i always enjoyed the upbeat chats and debates.now when things are bad...things are really bad. i got creamed for trying to raise spirits not too long ago. Fair enough, people have gripes, and that is part and parcel of football, but unless we really, really challenge for major honours the taglors of the world will be heard more then the optimists. i was going to sign off with "trust in MON" but probably be told i dont know what i'm talking about in another post later on. lol! happy blogging folks |
Mikey18
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... Carl what you are saying aren't facts they are questions! I was surprised by the Oneil comments about not realising how many players he used etc etc and there's no defending him for that. I know MoN has flaws but doesn't every manager? The fact is he has bought players, an england international which keeps are own ashley young at the squad for 8 mil cheaper than what liverpool was quoted for him last january! and a bright young prospect which i think alot of fans are excited about and two players for cover. Yes i agree we need to sign more players, but MoN knows this and has said this. Maybe hes tried to sign 4 quality players and they've all said no i don't want to sign for villa, because their own fans boo them...or something along those lines. I asked if you booed because i'd like to hear from a fans perspective how they justified booing, why they boo and how they think it will help! Yes carl i had a season ticket in the 2003/2004 when we finished 6th under o leary. i was 15 and paid for the ticket myself! I have been to countless games since. Carl do you agree that this is the best period to be an aston villa supporter in the last 12-15 years? |
cookiemonster
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... gregdavillain - spot on pal where has our ambition gone this is AVFC we invented the chuffin game - we should not accept second best. |
Faccundo
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... Every time someone says we need to be realistic and target less than the best they are spitting on the legacy of William McGregor. As cookiemonster points out we created the league and only the best will do |
carl 8767
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... so you r coming on here questioming ppl like myself and others if we am a true supporters then u let us no that you have only had 1 season ticket 03/04 so y question other ppl's support i sit in trinity rd tickets aint cheap i save up n hope i can afford a season ticket and have been able to so u cant question ppl's support u can av ur opinion on the team bt dont question other ppl's support plus they were not questions they were facts we avent signed player that will stop us playin 17 players again this year mayb even less yh we signed downing cant play till december so until then dont call that a good signing cuz @ the mo he is prob takin 40 50 grand for doin nothing we signed delph yh i said earlier for the future not to replace barry like o'neil seems to think with the booing they are entitled to they pay money you dont and the best times IMO were under gregory and Little not now our football is shocking we dont play good football FACT |
Jared
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... Jesus-Tapdancing-Christ!! Look at all the whining children on here! MON out!! Lerner out!! Lerner is stealing our money!! Ha.. Thanks to all you sensible supporters on this blog. The reactionaries are predictable and boring. |
Daveyboy
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... chico hamilton pants i totally agree i think collins would be a shocking signing however at this stage its purley hearsay and i am convinced that MON has at LEAST 1 quality defender lined up UTV!!!!!! |
Steve Badger
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... Carl8767, and if we are wrking on facts then lets do that y did MON have to be told by other managers that he used only 17 players last season shud he not know this If you want to work with facts, I suggest you get them right. MON was quoted as saying "I knew how many we had used" or similar. |
carl 8767
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... badger no he didnt other managers told him he did not know or realise how many he had used |
carl 8767
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... in fact he said i knew i had not used many but did not realise it was only 17 so therefore that is fact he didnt know he had used only 17 |
Mikey18
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... Carl im not questioning your support or anybodies of AVFC. I'm saying that MoN and Lerner out is not support at all! Its bad for our club and is only compounding the problems! Booing is not supporting the club. I'm not questioning anybodies! Greogry 6th, 6th, 8th, 8th! Brian little was a little bit before my time! But Carl all i want is for all our supporters to support the players! even if they don't support the management of ownership! |
Steve Badger
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... Carl, badger no he didnt other managers told him he did not know or realise how many he had used No, he knew how many he had used, but he didn't realise how many other clubs had used. Go and read again. I think it was very disappointing to hear and I said so previously. But I'm just picking you up one the "facts" point. |
Benavfc89
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... How can learner be to blame? Last season third highest spenders in the prem only City and Tottenham spent more. Now for the money we spent we still had the smallest squad in the prem. Just look how that money was wasted. Cuellar?? Shorey?? Sidwell?? Heskey?? now not been funny but that is the spine of our team. Now compare that to two years ago when we had Laursen Mellberg Barry, now who has to replace these players. So whos coming in now? Distin? who had an awfull finish to the season and will be low on confidence, James Collins? enough said on that already or maybe the links for Sol Cambell will reignight because thats going to help possibly the slowest defence in the Prem. MON is possibly still the man but he can only take us to 6th again last year we had our chance to bring in the money with champions league rights etc but who blew that? |
Steve Badger
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... The very quote that Damian posted; Martin O'Neill At the end of last week, I went to a meeting for managers and they put up some interesting statistics. They showed that 17 of our lads had played in the Barclays Premier League last season. Other teams had used 23, 27 and others over 30. I was a wee bit surprised. I knew how many we had used but I didn't realise it was less than anyone else. It is a team game. We are trying to get some extra players in if we can and in our own way, we're hoping to look after the players. There's a long way to go. FACT |
Mikey18
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... "I was a wee bit surprised. I knew how many we had used but I didn't realise it was less than anyone else." - MoN on players used Thats the quote carl, so he new how many he'd used just not how many the rest of the premier league teams had used. |
walshy
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... faccundo!!! lerner is one of the best things to happen to this club in years! its not like he hasnt spent money!! |
carl 8767
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... badger woteva mate it was not involvin u anyway yh i gt it wrong bt hey at least i admit i got it wrong |
jk92923
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... Damien - i still enjoy your posts and think you speak alot of sense, more so than anyone else. will still read up on what you say for but for the mo, thanks for the link, hope to see you in the banter section! farewell! UTV |
Steve Badger
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... Carl, badger woteva mate it was not involvin u anyway yh i gt it wrong bt hey at least i admit i got it wrong I know you wasn't involving me. I was just pointing out that when you post "facts" you have to get them right or you leave yourself wide open mate, that's all Whilst I don't agree with your view of things overall, I do share many of your concerns. I think most Villa fans do. It's just that I don't think constant bitching and whining helps anyone. |
croni
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... I think Collins is good but he's not what we need. Ok, I've been paitient for most of the summer but now I'm beginning to get anxious. It's get the finger out time! |
Derek Chandler
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... I haven't had time to read all 230+ (so far) comments to know if this has been addressed. Nor am I a Lerner apologist. But I think it's clearly a misconception that Lerner's ownership of the Browns is somehow a detriment to the Villa cause. If anything, it should be a boost financially. The NFL is the biggest cash cow in pro sports, even more so than the PL. Every owner rakes in the cash, no matter how poorly the team has done. The NFL has the most generous revenue sharing program and stringent expenditure controls of any professional league. Players salaries are virtually paid for by TV money ...before the first ticket, jersey, parking space, or beer is sold. That being said ...c'mon, Randy & Martin, spend the cash! Sorry to interrupt the ranting ...carry on. UTV! https://community.dynamics.com/blogs/financeheadlines/comments/1809.aspx |
steve2000
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... Damian - Thanks for taking my comments how they were meant. The content, the feel, the look etc are brilliant its just ruined by the mindless posts. This has gone beyond banter. |
villa biker
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... damian it says: Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL? can you or anyone help? |
Ben
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... MON is to blame full stop with the goings on the pitch. Man has no idea about tactics. Most of his buys have been really poor. We have a defense that can't tackle. A midfield that can't create, a forward line that can't score and an OAP in goal who can't catch. I think MON needs to get in proper coaches, somebody to deal with transfers and a scouting network as they do fu*k all. I would like to know who they're as they do a useless job apart from watching sky sports and seeing who's good in scotland or England anybody can do that! Villa is turning into a joke and MON isn't helping  |
Joky
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... two games does not make a season. Yes we have been poor and if remember correctly Man U started Shite last season and were champions. So I'm not worried, we know we are better than the performances so far and we will get better. MoN is a great Manager, and we need someone like him if we are not having the funds or singings that we desired this year. He will get the best out the team. The main disappointment is we continue to be linked with solid yet average players and IMO we already have some of those. We need flair and leadership so hopefully we will sign some. Or we will stand at the station and watch all the talent go elsewhere. I still believe we can do well and look forward to and upturn in our performances. |
jay and nige (coxy01)
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... if collions is our solution then il agree mon has not done the business this summer we get linked with upson and we settle for the ginge and i think shorey has to go and we must get warnock and distin in and tuncay or vdv i welcome your comments |
DocW
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... I have to question if some people are thick... MON comes out publicly and says he will not break the club, he also states that he wants to replace GB & ML. I am sure he will if he can get the right type of players. MON knows more about top flight football than all of us and he knows what he wants, however he will not buy the 20-30 million wanna be world star to unsettle the balance in the dressing room. IMO if MON has most of the jigsaw in place he may then splash out on the odd luxury to finish off. This type of example is very prominent in the way that AW at arsenal conducts his business, all be it with emerging european talent as opposed to emerging british talent. For those who forget how poor and inconsistent we have been over the last decade get a life and show a little patience. More importantly understand although we had a little taster in the peace cup it takes time, money,development and a bit of luck to create success so while this is happening stop whinging, show some patience and get behind the club you all confess to truely love. UTV ps if MON wants Collins it will be to create competition for CD & CC whist he looks for the ML replacement its not rocket science is it? |
trustme
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... DocW - We need to be told the truth , His there any money , at new year we were told 20m to push for top 4 spot , we spene 3.5. and finnished season very badly with a poor team , we still have a poor team and nothing to lift our moral. |
r0bb0
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... trustme. The very last thing we need is to be told the truth about how much money is available. We may like to know but we don't need to know and it can only harm the negotiating position of the only people who do need to know....those who are doing the negotiating. |
villan from aus
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... i have to say the rot started in january 08 that transfer window was a shambles for us . if we had have got 2+3 more players in 4 spot would have been ours instead we got heskey and dropped to 6th i would have thought mon would have learnt his lesson by now he has 10 days to put it right if not mark my words we will not be in the top ten,and for all those people who say you are not a true villan ihave followed them since i was 8 iam now 58 and live in aussie since 1965 i just wish i could get to the villa games has you lot can.Please mon get some descent players in before its to late |
MUMRAA
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... BLAA BLAA SAME OLD CRAP REGARDING TRANSFERS SAME OLD VILLA WE GET SO CLOSE TO DOING SOMETHING AND ALWAYS SEEM TO FALL SHORT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS SEASON AND INSTEAD DUE TO THE SHOCKING LACK OF SIGNINGS AGAIN NO ONE HAS A CLUE WHERE THE CLUB IS GOING CANT SEE US DOING MUCH THIS WEEK IF MARTIN FAILED TO DO ANYTHING ALL PRE SEASON ANOTHER OPERTUNITY MISSED SAME OLD SAME OLD IF YOU THINK JAMES COLLINS IS GOING TO PROPELL US TO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE MOST DISSAPOINTING GOD IM FRUSTRATED BUT EARLY DAYS LETS HOPE THE YOUNG LADS TAKE A STEP UP AND TAKE THERE CHANCE AS THEY WILL BE THE ONLY NEW FACES IN THE SQUAD THIS SIDE OF XMAS |
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... Robbo/ Im talking about are we a Portsmouth , not show our hand , Do we have any scouts finding new talent . |
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... @ak_27: You're absolutely hopeless and you don't know anything about football. Salzburg eliminated Din. Zagreb, a team which smashed Hearts 4:0 some days ago. So don't make a comparison if you have an idea what you're talking about. Greez from Austria, FO |
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