Written by Damian Thursday, 12 November 2009 07:31
Morning all. This poll thing we are doing is starting to get interesting isn´t it? Well, it is for me anyway and today we move onto two questions I don´t already know the answers for.
First up, who is in goal. The smart money would be on Big Brad but Little Brad has done nothing wrong and he might just pick up a few votes here - I don´t know for sure where this is going to go.
The second question is also a little interesting as it is all about formation but we sort of need to get this one answered before we can start putting polls together for the midfield.
Think about this one carefully though. Picking 442 now means only two central midfielders. Picking 433 means Young on the left and Milner on the right with only one place likely for Gabby, Carew, Heskey and The Fonz. Picking 4231 might make it easier, as will 451, so all I am saying is, for he sake of the poll, think about this one.
Little Brad
I´m speeding up now as I have to be out of the house in twenty minutes, but the talk is Little Brad is going to get some football in as it turns out The American keeper at Everton is injured. Well, that was what I was told anyway.
It will be good for Little Brad. He clearly has some ability and football is only going to enhance that.
Competition Winners
The winners of the two scarves are; I ♥ Tony Daley and brum in the south, so if you two could email me your address details, I will get them off to Savile Rogue.
Okay, that isn´t it, but I really do have to rush. I have 15 minutes to get out of the house now.
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Paul W
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... Little Brad for me. Think he's less prone to moments of calamity that Big Brad sometimes has (ie Chelsea). Also 4-5-1, but purely for the purposes of this pole, as I still think that 4-4-2 has a place at Villa and we shouldn't restrict ourselves to 1 formation. |
Villian_Within
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... Did Collins end up getting the other CB spot? I would assume so. I still think that Big Brad should be first choice, but give Guzan plenty of oppurtunities as he will take over soon enough, but for the moment Friedel should keep the spot. |
Chiefy
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... For me I think Little Brad has to be in with a shout, he is excellent. Formation wise I am a bit old fashioned maybe i like 4-4-2 for me but can see the place for 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 as i like to call it. Difficult one but I would have to go with 4-4-2 I think  |
Milk
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... I find it hard to believe that people are wanting to give the number 1 shirt to little brad. Dont get me wrong I think he has great potential but big brad is playing fantastic at the moment. Why would you want to change that? Has little brad suddenly become the new shiny thing? |
eoin1981
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... Chiefy - do you like to call 4-4-2 4-2-4, because surely if the wingers in a 4-5-1 are deemed attackers - its the same with 4-4-2??? It may be a bit pedantic - but it really annoys me when people say that 4-5-1 is the same as 4-3-3. Because its not. 4-3-3 is what Barcelona play - with Henry, Zlatan and Messi up top. If you say players are attackers when we have the ball and midfielders when we dont have the ball - then you might as well not talk about formations at all. You might as well say the formation is 11-0 or 0-11 as I like to call it! |
Chiefy
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... Big Brad is playing fantastic ?? I can name a number of goals that it would be questionable as to wether Little Brad would have saved them where as Big Brad didnt, given little brad's recent showing of what he can do compared to some of the goals that have been scored against us taking an educated bet Little Brad has become the new no1 in waiting. I honestly beleive if it wasnt for Big Brads record Guzan would be in goal now how many other keepers can you name who have saved 4 pen's in one game ?? |
neil57
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... What a great dilemma, it is so close. probably GK closest vote. As I stated, 1st choice team picks itself. Biggest quandary, goalie. I think Luke is silly, giving up match v Brazil and prob route to SA. We have good subs. Cuellar for back 4, Lots of others, 3 FBs, 2 other central defs, even Lowry  . Reo, Sidders, delph and Gardnerx2 for mid centre. Alb and Bannan for wings, 4 goodish strikers, Heskey ben fund How big is the squad now? Must be strongest ever. 3 years ago we had Sorensen, Delaney,Johnsen,JPA, Allback, thinking of others. Would they be picked now? I was at Arsenal home game 16 jan 2007. Henry MOM, remember the free kick? JPA was tying his laces as TH scored, TH did little, but he, Pires, and Viera were class. We could not beat them then. Different now My bro in law got us tickets for 27 dec game. Doing Holte prob 17 jan UTV |
Villa_Chris
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... Thought it was 5 chiefy? Big Brad gets the nod for me. He's a safe bet. 99% reliable so why drop him? 4-2-3-1 formation for me. the '2' breaking down attacks and clearing up from the defence with '3' tracking back when not in possession, and supporting the lone striker when in attack. Plus we have the players who have a good enough work rate to do this, especially in Milner and Young. Exciting times! |
vivavilla
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... Friedel is playing well this season. I think anyone saying it should be Guzan at this stage is being very harsh, Friedel should be number 1 until at least the end of the season without any doubt. Next season will be Guzan's big chance. For now the throne belongs to Big Brad. |
ronrabbit
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... In goal big brad, he has the experience, little brad is anawsome shot stopper, but needs to add consistancy when dealing with crosses, one on ones and positioning. He will be brillinat, and working with big brad will help him massivly, but for this year no1 still big brad. formation 4231 for me, i think it will give us more attacking options, where 442 limits the players we can pick i think. Its interesting having some polls that are actually close, after the back 4 picked its self. You have to feel sorry for cuellar though, who has been really good this year also. |
vivavilla
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... Also, the formation one is very tricky. As Paul W points out, we shouldn't restrict ourselves to one formation and we shouldn't see a formation as being rigid. There's no such thing as standard 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 these days, formations are very much dynamic and all the best teams will adapt their positions as the game dictates. I don't really want to commit to a choice here because ideally we should be using a couple of these formations every game. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Friedel for me. Guzan is going to be a fantastic keeper and is clearly one of the best shot stoppers in the prem along with Jussi and Reina. I will however, say that I think Guzan has a little to learn. Not much, but things like organizing himself in the penalty are and communicating with the back four. Friedel just seems to have something over him at the moment for me and I think it's just a bit of experience. I understand that there are people who believe Big Brad is more prone to errors. I tell you what, give them both exactly the same match time and then judge. All keepers are capable of errors because they are human beings. Just give him enough time and he'll drop a clanger and then we can support him anyway cos he's mustard. Friedel has had hundreds and hundreds more minutes on the pitch than Guzan so that argument carries no water for me. |
neil57
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... Guys, you must look at more than prev experience. Guzan is class. He saved 4 pens.Friedel is hopeless on them, his reactions are slower. What a dilemma. Has any other team got 2 such GKs? Taylor is no. 2 at City. I suppose Man U and Spurs are close. Are all the good seats taken in Holte? Paul, si it better in top or bottom? I was in N stand, atmosphere looked bettert in Holte. Is pub worth a visit? Want to do a big day of it Thanks in advance. UTV |
eoin1981
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... JPA - I just about would agree with you in picking Friedel. However, and this issue raises its head quite a lot regarding our inexperienced players - when exactly is a good time for them to get experience?? Things like organisation and communication are things that you develop by playing games and learning how to function in a team. When does the time come that Guzans inexperience is taken ahead of Friedel? When Friedel eventually retires - are we going to play Guzan or bring in someone with experience? The evidence is that MoN will continue to bring in experience ahead of giving young players a chance. This is an even bigger problem if you take the Sidwell/Delph scenario. Sidwell has more experience than Delph (in my opinion thats just about the only thing he is better at) - but Sidwell has plenty of years left in him. Given that Sidwell wont be dropped unless he plays about 80 bad matches in a row (so about 60 left) - when will Delph, one of the brightest prospects in the entire league, get a run? |
SidCowanslovechild
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... I have gone for Little Brad although more because we need to start blooding him as next season or at least the season after will be 1 too many for Big Brad who I would love to retain as a goalkeeping coach. Big Brad is at that age when either his performances deteriorate or if he makes mistakes they are blamed on his age unfairly. He has been better this season after a distinctly average season last year but also Little Brad has improved a load this year after looking questionable sometimes last year, on minimal opportunities. I believe he is going to be top rate, I did say the same about Luke Moore so there you go! Big Brad has been a superb keeper and is likely to look better now just because he has a better defence in front of him. Some real nonsense is talked about his performances especially the Chelsea match where he let in the howler/ unlucky bounce from Drogba and everyone raved about the rest of his performance even though all the other saves he made were regulation as close to his body except the Deco chip which he had to move for but any keeper in the prem would still have saved. He looks a little slow now getting up when he goes to ground. It's nice to haave a player out there who's older than me though! Still as I said, the fact I thought Luke Moore was the next Gary Shaw just about invalidates any views I might have about players potential. We will see |
Scrumpy
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... Little Brad is a shot stopper, and is likely to stop things that Big Brad couldn't (age/agility etc). His performance in Prague last year was fantastic, but his kicking and positional sense on crosses wasn't quite there. This year his kicking is much much better, and all round keeping has improved. He is almost there but still not quite (maybe next year?). I think the "presence" of an experienced keep is a very hard thing to judge objectively, but it makes a difference, so I would keep Big Brad there this year. OK we may let in the odd goal that Lil' Brad could have stopped but we don't know how that is balanced by Big Brad's positioning and saves in other situations. As a backup in case of injury, little Brad has to be one of the best in the PL... On the subject of keepers. Who was the youngster in the practice goal before the Bolton match? He was a pretty good shot stopper and also one to watch... but he mainly caught the eye, because Albrighton was doing some amazing shots that this guy was sometimes getting too... We may be having these whose best in each position debates for many years to come if the youngsters continue to improve and come through. |
Scrumpy
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... JPA...I should have just said ditto re: your comments on Big and Little Brad At least it shows we agree through our own thoughts and don't just blindly follow what the herd might be saying  |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... eoin, I see your point and I believe MoN has every intention of grooming Guzan for the No1 spot. He plays in the cups and has done since we bought him. Unfortunately we just haven't done very well in them and he hasn't got as many games as he could have. The UEFA cup last year was good for him, as was the Peace cup and the Carling Cup so far this season. He will be our FA cup keeper too, i'm sure. Friedel is good, but he is old. Those joints aren't what they used to be and it's very important that Guzan shoulders his fair share of games this season so that Friedel stays fresh for the league games. If big Brad starts making regular errors, gets suspended or injured then he will lose his place, simple as. My point is, if we go on like this As for Delph, he will play. He is getting little bits of game time here and there and I think it may be a little foolhardy to believe you can take a 19 yr old from a league one club and suddenly just play him in the best league in the world. He needs time to learn from the good players we already have and let the whole thing sink in. I like the fact he wants to take on the world and the lad obviously has a huge amount of ability, he is two footed, can shoot, pass etc, but he just needs a bit of time to develop. There is no need to rush his development and put more pressure on his shoulders than is needed. Aside from Arsenal there aren't many 19 yr olds being blooded in league games unless the team is suffereing from injury problems. Or the squad is particularly light. If Delph had for longer at this level instead of coming from Leeds he may be seeing more game time but that's academic. Sidwell, NRC and Petrov are ahead of him at the moment, but the last two games have been an example of what injury and suspension can change team selection and i'm sure the boy will get a fistful of chances to impress this season, as will Delfouneso and Albrighton. If we can get to the last 20 mins of games 2 or 3 goals to the good i'm sure we will see more of the younger lads coming on for a bit of match time. Sidwell is playing, and we are doing ok. After the weekend though I think if MoN plays 4-4-2 NRC might get the nod ahead of him. There is a long way to go and a lot of games to play this season. Don't think I don't agree with you about Sidwell as I do, I can just sympathise with MoN's position. Hopefully he'll get a little injury and Delph might get a run. |
Villa_Chris
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...Still as I said, the fact I thought Luke Moore was the next Gary Shaw just about invalidates any views I might have about players potential. Ha ha, I thought Vassel was going to be the next Yorke! |
SidCowanslovechild
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... eoin, unfortunately you are right. We have some great kids but it is understandable why a manager is concerned about blooding them. I always convince myself that every game is a must win and for a manager it must be really hard to take the chance of replacing an older head with youth. We need to, get well on top in more games to allow better use of subs or be more confident (at home at least) that we can win some of the easier games and hence trust a couple of the kids or have good runs in the cup which we are willing to risk being knocked out of to give the kids experience. I suspect, though, that the only way our talented youth will get much of a chance is with a run of injuries forcing selection and when that happens the kids must come in and not only be good but excellent to have a chance to stay in the team. To be fair to MON he started the season with Delph in the middle and he did not take his (admittedly brief) chance MON's reputation for bringing kids through is only partly justifed |
holteend paul
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... big brad for me as his experience and organisation are priceless, guzan still has two years of hair left so will be ready then with a big brad close shave. sid... after his howler against chelsea wasnt brad voted motm with a world class display. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... please excuse my unfortunate syntax and grammar. I was eating a bowl of Cheerios at my desk at the same time. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... My point is* if we go on like this and Friedel retires or whatever in a season or something. We won't need to buy an experienced keeper because we will have one. A keeper who has played international football for USA, UEFA cup experience, Carling Cup and FA cup experience and will be reay to play week in week out in the premiership. We will then promote a youngster more than likely, maybe Parish who is winning compliments from the England U19 set up. |
SidCowanslovechild
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... HoltendPaul, that's what I don't understand, it was not a world class display against Chelsea, if he had let in any of those saves it would have been a really disappointing performance. I am not a big Brad basher at all but I couldn't understand what the fuss was about for him just doing his job after a howler. I'm sure good positioning helped the saves look easier than they were but still not spectacular in my eyes. Am I being too harsh? |
doubledown9
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... I see no-one has mentioned the bit on the sun's website (i know hardly gospel) but we are apparently leading the chase for Connor Wickman. He plays for Ipswich and still uses Clearasil by the looks of things. Other than the fact the independent linked him with Chelsea the other day, thats all I know about him. Any thoughts? |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... I think we all know it wasn't a world class display, it was a very good team performance and Brad did well to get to Deco's chip. He was cool, calm and did what was needed in the game, positioning himself well and cutting down the angle so the it was a harder chance than it could have been. I personally think the bounce on Drogba's shot would have beaten a fair few top goalkeepers. I personally don't see it as a howler I see it as an unfortunate bounce that Brad would have been all over otherwise. I also think that Guzan is turning out to be better because of the work he is obviously doing with Friedel in training. Invaluable imo. Certainly not a reason to drop him. |
StickyAV
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... You may have seen this already but well worth a read... http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/danwalker/2009/11/martin_laursen_a_great_dane_an.html |
ronrabbit
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... The little brad, big brad argument is ot like the sidwell, delph argument. Gazan has looked class when he has came in, on raw ability he is one of the best keepers in the prem, when he teams that with organising his defence, and dealing with crosses he will be on of the best keepers in the world. Getting his games when he does is fine for the moment, he will learn from big brad. But i sitll maintain when has delph done anything to suggest he is anything more than an average player. (does everyone remember how good bobby zamora looked in league 1). He is also not that young, he is 19, Rooney was a first team player at 19, as was gerrard, carrick, barry, joe cole, lampard. I think he will be a decent player, but he is no world beater, not by a long stretch. |
holteend paul
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... sid... yes you are or your memory is slipping because the one on ones he saved wasnt about being in the right place or the deco save! |
holteend paul
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... ronrabbit... i sat in the trinity very close to the pitch against fiorentina and ashley put his arm around delph before the game and i could not believe how small compard to asley he was and that is saying somthing. so i think he really needs to beef up abit first for the premier. |
phil h
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... Little Brad coming through really reminds me of Bosnich a few years back (except Brad can kick properly) I hope he gets a few more games this season and we have a straight battle next year for no1 shirt. Lets not be too hasty getting rid of freidel though. He is solid. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Ron, I agree with what you say about the Brads. Friedel is doing fine , but is nearing the end, and Guzan is pregressing very nicely indeed. The change will happen quite gradually and naturally over this season and next imo. Delph on the other hand looks like he may well be a very very good player. I will say that he has raw talent that needs to be harnessed and nurtured in the right way as you see many young players with talent falling by the wayside. Rooney is without doubt world class and the reason he started os young is because of his physique. I mean the guy has talent obviously, but a lot of the time with young players is they are lightweight and struggle in the physical battle with stronger older players. Rooney is built like an ox. Midfield players and CB's do tend to take a little longer to develop as the physical aspect is a little more important than up front were speed and agility are useful attributes if you can already finish. Carrick was decent at West Ham but never showed the sort of promise Joe Cole did as early because he is a different sort of player. I would argue that both players have improved greatly due to experience and becoming more used to physical side of the english game. Carrick only began to look like a world class player a bit later in his development at Tottenham at some would argue he only realised his full potential at Man U. I remember a few Spurs fans saying £18m was good money and they'd take it happily. Given the position Delph plays I wouldn't expect him to really stamp his mark on the first team for another two seasons. At 21/22 he will be ready to play week in week out and will be a much better player by then with all the experience he gains. I remember when Gerard was 19/20 and grabbing a handful of Cup appearances etc for Liverpool Hansen was raving about him and I couldn't see what he meant. It's to do with the natural ability Delph has. His touch, ball control and passing ability. He strikes a ball very well and this is just raw talent. If it can be nurtured correctly and he works on his football brain, i.e positioning, defensive duties, where to be for set pieces, his responsibilities in different formations and playing in a team. If he does this he can go on to be anything he wants to be. That's why O'Neill paid so much for him. it now comes down to hard work and commitment. Much like the hard work Gabby has put in over the last three years to become a decent PL striker in his own right. |
SidCowanslovechild
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... holteendpaul, it must be my age, like I said, I'm nearly as old as Big Brad |
holteend paul
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... does anyone know what darius vassel has been getting up to? i need to know but my mate just said what a plank!! |
Villa_Chris
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...When at Aston Villa Vassell missed several games after he drilled through his toe nail with a home power drill thinking it would relieve the pressure on a swollen toe. The attempt at DIY surgery succeeded only in giving the toe an infection which required medical attention |
Chiefy
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... A little of topic but my mate is a liverpool fan and since Lucas socred for us against them i have wound him up about it non stop. Now today i have brought him the third kit with LUCAS IS NO 1 on the back, this should have cost me 19.50 however the bloke at jjb gave it me for £10 as he couldnt beleive someone would wear it I have a pub question for you, did you know that as well as being unbeleivably brazilian Lucas is also the youngest ever winner of the brazilian golden boot, other people that have won it are Romario, Zico, Kaka and Tevez. |
clevelandvillian
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... Vassell could always complete his fall from grace and sign for that park club down the road in January. Rumour has they need someone who knows where the goal is without using a GPS |
Chiefy
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... Villa Chris -- Vassell drilled through his toe as anyone got a drill they can lend EMULE ? |
Villa_Chris
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... clevelandvillian Not a good idea..... We were the only team he used to score against when he played at City. Don't want that happening again! |
Chiefy
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... hahahaha it sounds like a right joke over there reading that from goal.com Vassell will be back and down a notts county maybe ??? i dont think we will see him in the premiership again, or if we do it wont be for long |
Villa_Chris
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... I wonder who the team he plays for, is comparable to in the English football league? Can't be of a very high standard. Who knows, someone might be daft enough to buy him. Apparently he scored a nice volley in his second game. Can't beat his England debut goal though! |
clevelandvillian
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... Villa_Chris Valid point mate, but is that a roundabout way of saying you don't have faith in our defense LOL |
Villa_Chris
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... Don't be daft, Collins would have him in his imaginary pocket for the whole game!  |
SidCowanslovechild
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... Vass was brilliant for England for his first 4 or 5 games I seem to remember before reverting to type. Shame, another who promised a lot but never quite lived up to it. I keep wondering if Gabbi will go down the same path or will continue to improve and turn in to a really good player. Here's hoping |
Chiefy
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... my memory of vassle is i think one of his first games against sunderland when the ball broke he motor'd past the last defender and missed didnt he ? sure it skinned steve bald was it and missed |
Rios.Jockstrap
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...My point is* if we go on like this and Friedel retires or whatever in a season or something. We won't need to buy an experienced keeper because we will have one. A keeper who has played international football for USA, UEFA cup experience, Carling Cup and FA cup experience and will be reay to play week in week out in the premiership. We will then promote a youngster more than likely, maybe Parish who is winning compliments from the England U19 set up. JPA This really is an hard choice and i agree with a lot of the reasons as to why you opted for Big Brad. But what happens if whilst little Brad is waiting for Big Brads retirement, he recieves an offer he cant really turn down? We would then be in the position of looking for two new Keepers not one, at a time when our focus would be on other areas of the team. OK.....i might be jumping the gun here, but i do think its quite likely he will when you consider that Celtic, Manure and Liverpool (amongst others) have all kept tabs on him. He is very highly rated, so we have to include that possibility. I think the time is coming when we have to bite the bullet and start blooding him on a regular basis or risk loosing a very good keeper. As youve proberly guessed, ive voted for little Brad  Basicly because he is our long term goalkeeper and not short term like Freidel. As for Freidel, anybody agree that he would make a good Goalkeeping coach for us once he retires? |
Devon Villan
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... SS News -Prem League clubs reject proposal to admit Rangers/Celtic Best news today |
Rios.Jockstrap
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...my memory of vassle is i think one of his first games against sunderland when the ball broke he motor'd past the last defender and missed didnt he ? sure it skinned steve bald was it and missed Hate to say this, but my only memory of Vass is when he made the headlines from hanging out with his Burger Bar mates. Is that an indictment of wasted talent? Or am i just getting old |
Chiefy
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... Rio - i remember that it was after the shooting and he lent someone his car didint he ? Dont know if he wasted his talent not sure that he had much apart from speed that is. |
ak_27
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... There are huge simalarities between Vassell and gabby. Real real pace but no great skill or vision. Hopefully Gabby can improve and i guess the fact he has bulked up so much is one improvement on Vasell already. There was a time when Man Utd were after Vassel after he scored that goal againest Holland but then again they were also after Luke Moore for a while also. We really have had a lot of home grown strikers who have come onto the scene in great fashion only to burn out to nothing players very quickly. Stephan moore scored a great goal on one of his first appearances also and he was touted as the next big thing. |
ak_27
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... Regarding the formations im a fan of 442. But that can be used to morph into other formations during the game if you have the correct players in the system. what we need for that to really be effective i feel is a striker who drops back into midifield like Rooney does (Van Persie also) and get invloved in the build up play. I think we lack any player who can do that in the club right now and if you have that striker playing your 445 can change into a 451 when not in possession. At the moment we don't have nay striker who is really good with the ball at their feet the way Saunders or Yorke were. That is part of our problem regarding creativity at the moment and i would love to see a player like Gudjohnson, Tuncay, Bellamy, Joanavic or Raul Tamudo (who is available in Jan) to come into the club to give us that option. A flexible 442 formation is probaly the best but you need the right players for that to work and we don't have them yet. |
SidCowanslovechild
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... AK, I was thinking exactly the same about the number of young strikers coming through looking great and then just not doing it at all. Stephan Moore's debut against Charlton I think it was made it look like he was going to be world class and that season where Luke started as winger with Gab's on other side (JPA upfront?) he looked great until he injured his shoulder and was never the same again Does anyone remember Stephen Cooke who looked like he was going to be sensational at about the same time but went down hill fast and I think is at Halesowen now but not sure. He was Sid Cowans (the real one's) tip to make it big so it just shows we can't be sure the likes of Albrighton, Clark, Delf, Bannan will ever get any where near making it. We will see |
SidCowanslovechild
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... Actually AK, I like your 4 4 5 formation, sounds very attacking, lets give it a go |
holteend paul
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... just to add another wasted talent does anyone remember darren byfield who broke lots of youth team scoring records. |
doubledown9
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... Speaking of young strikers, I seem to remember darren byfield scoring a pretty special goal on a European night when he first broke through. |
ak_27
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... Yeah not too many use the 445 formation for some reason. Don't know why? Trying to think of other bright strikers who never made it at Villa. I guess Nii Lamptey has to be another one. He was suppossed to be the next big thing in football for a while. Until he came to Villa and turned out to be useless. |
ak_27
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... Paul in fairness to Byfield he managed to get Jamila and is still going out with her i think so he managed to achieve something great from the game at least. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...But what happens if whilst little Brad is waiting for Big Brads retirement, he recieves an offer he cant really turn down? He is on a contract and MoN won't let him leave, much the same way as he dug his heels in over Barry and rubbished speculation over Young. He is in line to become the first choice keeper for Villa and will in the next season and a half. I think MoN made a statement of intent by trying to sign him after seeing him play in the tour of America. He then went back in for him after the work permit trouble he had and has stuck by him continually in the UEFA cup and domestic cups. Don't underestimate what this may mean to Guzan who is very much a part of MoN's plans for the future. He is only 24 which is young by goalkeeping standards and has a very bright future in claret and blue. I don't understand this fear of losing our players all the time and it may be something that stems from the few years befor MoN came to the club and we continually lost our best players to bigger sides. This has stopped recdently with the exception of Barry, who is currently struggling at Man City and Cahill who looked pedestrian at the weekend. Can anyone come up with a player that MoN allowed to leave that has really come round to bite him on the bum and progressed more than we thought? I can't. Guzan is safe and he will continue to play and improve ready to step up soon. He may even cement his place before the end of this season. It only takes a clanger or an injury to Friedel and the lad gets his chance. |
Villa_Chris
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... I can see some similarities with Gabby and Vassell but Gabby is already a better than Vassell ever was. Gabby's game has come on leaps and bounds since playing as the lone striker for a period last season. It enabled him to work on his hold up play and bringing others into the game. He does this exceptionally well now. |
doubledown9
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... I'm mistaken Byfield didn't score for us, I can't for the life of me remember who I'm thinking of. I think it was the year after yorke left. This is gonna drive me nuts. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Chiefy, JPA - Sorenson lmfao!! You prove a point though, MoN certainly seems to know what he's doing with the quality of players he has let go. I thought Sorensen was a pretty decent keeper, but MoN has been proved right there. He is PL quality, but it's nice to know we are now aiming higher. Friedel is world class and was for a number of years and despite his age has been a big player for us after the calamity of Carson who again I thought was pretty decent. Mon then goes and pulls an unknown kid out of obscurity from the other side of the world for £3.5m who now looks like becoming one of the best keepers we've ever had. In MoN I trust. |
ak_27
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... I still think he has a lot of improving regarding vision and bringing players into play Chris. Now saying that im comparing him to the likes Of Van Persie, Rooney and Anelka but if we really want to break the top 4 then that is the calibre of player we will require. Right now Gabby is a handful due to his pace and power and he is a good finisher when he doesn't get time to think about it but he is still a bit (i persoanlly think a good bit) of being a really good striker. Im just not sure if he has the intelligence to ever be a top striker. I hope he proves me wrong. |
holteend paul
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... to be fair gabby looks and talks as though he is thick as donger and misses one on ones nine times out of ten because i think he has time to think which scares him lol |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...Gabby's game has come on leaps and bounds since playing as the lone striker for a period last season. It enabled him to work on his hold up play and bringing others into the game. He does this exceptionally well now. Completely agree chris. He seems to have learned a lot from Carew about using his strength on the ball and running the channels. In Mon's first season it was clear he needed to learn composure and take chances when he had them, also to use his pace to exploit defenders. In the following season he seemed to learn a lot about holding play up and bringing other players into the attack. He now seems to have perfected these skilss and has added some physicality to his game to outmuscle defenders too. He really isn't far from the full package. If he can improve his heading and his decision making in front of goal he can go on to be a world class striker. I still hold more hopoe for Delfouneso, those two could be on hell of a dangerous combination for us over the next five years. Delfouneso seems to be a much better footballer and have more technical attributes than Gabby. I hope he progresses the right way. |
holteend paul
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... jpa... heres somthing that will cheer you up as guzan was a mere 600k signing. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...JPA -- salifou zidane ??? to be fair to the guy, when he has played he doesn't look all that bad for 3,000,000 Togolese shillings Megson probably would have shelled out £9m sterling for him and played him up front with the £20m Elmander!!!! |
ak_27
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... Does Guzan not have to play a certain amount of times to get his work permit renewed? Anyone know how that works? |
holteend paul
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... if guzan wants to transfer then he will need to meet certain requirements but for villa he has to play reserve football to meet criterea |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... ak, I think so, with his national side. I've only ever heard of a couple of cases that's ever happened when a permit hasn't been renewed. He's probably pretty safe as he's pretty much second choice after Howard who is also a bit older. He's selected regularly for USA and plays reasonably often so he should be ok. Christ! if Balaban can hold down a work permit i've got no worries about Brad. |
holteend paul
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... SALIFOU...i know we joke about him but dont you think the waste of time should be sent packing and give his squad number to a young talent from the youth team?? |
Chiefy
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... holteend paul -- Salifou is a legend totally agree and i reckon we might see him sent in January to help get the wage bill down. rumours have started about vassel just reading on another site Hull are interested, further up i said he wouldnt be in the prem for long |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Salifou came in on deadline day when we were a bit light in midfield. He cost sod all and I doubt he's on much wage wise. I think it safe to say he won't be offered a new contract when it's up, but he does play for the reserves and they do pretty well. Perhaps he adds a bit of a big black african edge to the relatively young midfield I'm expecting a few players to be let go soon, maybe even as soon as Jan. I think Harewood, Osbourne, Gardner, Salifou & Shorey are likely to leave. Personally i'd keep Shorey and Gardner if I could, but as I said above, MoN is pretty astute at judging what he needs and letting goe those that don't figure. It's fair to say that players like Harewood, Routledge, Salifou etc were stoip gaps until the players or the funds were available to complete the transactions he really wanted. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Phil Brown really will take anything striker wise with a little prem experience. Even if they are very poor. |
Chiefy
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... Jpa -- stick EMULE on your list and i dont think you far off, would love Sidwell to be on the list but it wont happen |
Villa_Chris
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... Chiefy thats weird, I was going to say Hull would probably buy him!! Maybe its fate! We'll see.... |
frosty
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... I remember MON signed Routledge because we were playing Spurs and his name was on the back of the match programme, O'Neil remembered him and enquired that day (or so the story goes) |
Villa_Chris
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... O'Neill is a top manager who is highly rated....really doubt he would buy a player on a whim like that! |
doubledown9
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... Aha got it, 1998/99 villa vs stromsgodset, it was Vassel, scored two in ten mins, he came on for Byfield. I knew mr byfield was involved in it some how. They were both in the post match interviews. |
Chiefy
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... Villa Chris - - and how do you explain Salifou i am positive they showed him a re run of dwight yorke in the early days |
Badger
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... doubledown9, I'm mistaken Byfield didn't score for us, I can't for the life of me remember who I'm thinking of. I think it was the year after yorke left. This is gonna drive me nuts. You're thinking of Vassell. He got two for us with one bouncing off his knee and earning us a 2-2 draw at VP, iirc. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Chiefy, If we ship off Emile and start playing Fonz more who would you like as a fourth choice striker? Lets say he has to be a target man, probably english and fairly young who won't mind playing second fiddle to Carew. Any ideas?? |
Badger
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... Doubledown9, It was against Stromsgodset and he won us the game; After a while on the bench he made his breakthrough into the starting line-up, and one of his best early moments came in Europe. Vassell entered the fray as a substitute after 80 minutes with Villa 2-1 down at home to Stromsgodset of Norway in the 1st round 1st leg of the UEFA Cup. Not only did he score an equalising goal in the 91st minute, but Vassell also got the winner in the 94th minute instantly becoming every Villa fan's favourite player. Ring a bell? |
Chiefy
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... JPA - Now that is a good question, consideringthe only target EMULE has is his arse when he falls over it shouldnt be hard. Darren Ambrose from Crystal Palace, Matt Fryatt from Leicester ???? for the future play second string and learn from the big man |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... I remeber that game. I couldn't watch it cos my channel 5 reception was bobbins and I looked on teletext and wondered who in the blazers Vaseline was. I remember talking about it with a mate the next day. Now the tanned one wants him...oh how the mighty have fallen. That was still a class goal against Holland, I remember watching that in the pub at Uni... What happened to Michael Ricketts?? |
Chiefy
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... scrap Ambrose nicky maynard from bristol both him and fryatt 5'11 and both have 9 goals in the fizzy pop league so far |
holteend paul
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... i like your jan list their jpa but i would swap heskey for gardner as i do geniunly like gardner. changing the subject a little as it seems harewood has got the boo boys on his back at newcastle due to him not trying enough! maybe for being shit, but not trying?? |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Anyone think MoN is capable of a bid for Carlton Cole?? West Ham would surely take the MoN standard £12m for him. I was thinking perhaps Carrol at Newcastle. Fryatt would be worth a punt. He looks absolute class at times, but I suppose so did Ebanks Blake last season so you can never really tell. |
Chiefy
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... holteend paul - i reckon there comes a time with a footballer where you just think whats the point, where did i go wrong like a mid life crisis or worse the change, I reckon Vasline is trying to fight it but he knows its coming, Harewood thought he had missed it but is now in the middle of it and Heskey has just been lieing to himself that it would never come and is now in a state of shock will it takes hold of him |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Chiefy, I think this is the way we will be signing players under o'Neill, at least untill we start getting considered a really big side. Promote kids from within and signing young promising talent and developing it. I like it tbh. |
Chiefy
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... Holteend Paul - "maybe for being shit, but not trying ?" i love it classic its like well its ok that he is shit but not trying how dare you |
holteend paul
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... why all of a sudden carlton bloody cole we know about him and he is very much a heskey over rated imo. certainly not worth anywhere near 12 million |
Chiefy
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... JPA -- Talk is Liverpool are after Cole but West spam want 20million, dont think cole would be the answer would rather fryatt, best or maynard to be honest cheaper and more exciting for us as fans to see if they work i.e Ashley Young or if they dont i.e Harewood |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Paul, he is playing really really well at the moment. He looks so dangerous it's ridiculous. I never realised he had the ability with the ball at his feet, but he has been a revelation since he's been fit again. I'm starting to see why he stirred up such admiration as a youngster at Chelsea. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... It's a shame he never did it for us, but it exactly proves my point that some players drift along for years and then suddenly get it. Just because he's taken a while to develop doesn't mean he can't go on and become a really great player. |
Chiefy
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... I am sure recently we was linked with Fryatt who apprantley turned us down but surely if Leicester fail to come up or make the play off's he will want out then ?? he looks a good prospect, Sturridge is a Villa fan aint he ?? from round by allexandra stadium aint he ? |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Chiefy, I agree mate, £20m is a bit strong, MoN would never bother with that and I wouldn't want him to. It'd be a great signing for Pool tho, he's exactly the sort of striker they need. Big strong and can hold the ball up. I like watching talent develop at our club, I agree it's pretty exciting. Harewood isn't a case of a player who didn't really work, it was more of a case of we know he can play, but was it a the norm and he was just having a mare(wood) or was the it the exception. I think we'll all agree it was the exception and he just had one good season. Unfortunately he scored a hat trick against us. I can't believe he's getting accused of being lazy, inept maybe, but lazy?? That guy should be called effort boy. He reminds me of Kuqi, all effort, no final product. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Sturridge I like, but apparently MoN wasn't completely convinced. I suppose the last thing we want to do is get into a bidding war with Chelsea. We'll see how he develops, I think Nathan will prove the better player anyway. I think if we lose Heskey we need to sign someone with a really physical, aerial threat to push Carew, we know the giant is prone to bouts of complacency. |
Chiefy
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... JPA -- how many time do you think the Hare has heard these lines: " well Harewood here we are reviewing your contract, now i have to say effort wise you are the man and no one could ever take that away its just unfortunate that your shit! " |
ak_27
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... Really we should be long gone from looking at buying championhip players. All those meanioned are barely PL standard never mind good enough to play for a team looking to break top 4. As for Carlton Cole i still remember how bad and lazy he was the last time he was here and wouldn't go near him again. Also he is a big lad but West Ham play the ball to feet where he uses his strenght. With us it wouldn't be played to him the same way and i don't think he would be a success. But seriously we are going nowhere if that(lower divs) is where MON is looking at bringing our players in. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... I think Pubic Harewoods agent probably starts every contract negotiation with the words 'now, we know what you're going to say, but....' |
Chiefy
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... ak_27 -- i am not saying he is i am just saying that is where we good get some promising players to replace the MULE, all 3 of them are good players and if like Young they become what their promise shows this would not only bring success on the field but also financial gain when we decide to sign your shirt sellers as we will no doubt sell them on at a profit, not such a bad idea for the position we are in at the moment, remember we are only looking at a back up players not first team |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Chiefy, financial gain when we decide to sign your shirt sellers as we will no doubt sell them on at a profit, not such a bad idea for the position we are in at the moment, remember we are only looking at a back up players not first team A very good point. We need to improve th general quality of the squad, but without breaking the bank and hopefully making some sort of profit on long term investments. Ak, are you saying you wouldn't take another Ashley Young? Would you prefer a £10m Swedish international unknown by the name of Johan Elmander? I bet he sold a few shirts at Bolton before they found out he was dross. I think it's safe to say that our manager has a pretty decent eye for talent, especially raw talent that needs a bit of polishing up. The very fact that he had a look at someone like Fryatt shows that he might be worth a punt at the right price. Anyone who can get a few decent performances and a profit out of someone as bad as Zat Knight gets my vote. |
ak_27
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... Fryatt has been struggling with the step up to the championship by all accounts. he has scored 9 goals but was also droped because of his perfromances. He will never be good enough. Leon Best is a guy i have seen play for the ROIon a few occassions and i actually thought he did well. But he needs to be playing every minute to develop(and he won't get that here) and even at that the best he would ever do (in my opinion) is a PL team hoping to stay up. The chances of any of these guys making the step up is minimal at best. Even the newly promoted teams aren't too interseted in these guys and its time for Villa (MON) to start bringing players with potential from all over the world. That way you might find a gem but any player playing in the lower div has been watched so many times by many scouts of many English teams and they have been deemed by most not good enough for PL football. |
ak_27
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... JPA just take a good look at the guys we are talking about. If you can't see where im coming from then i give up completely. |
Chiefy
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... JPA -- Elmander must have the same agent as Harewood and who ever Bolton paid 20million to must be laughing |
frosty
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... AK - here's your championship striker http://www.ipswichtown-mad.co....&id=472282 Kevin Davies still the best target man outside the top 6 for me. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Playing at a club like ours, even in the reserves (who win most of the time) is good for the development of player. Would you say it's better for Delph to play every game in league one, or play a few games at PL level and work with class coaches like JR and MON day in day out, mixing it with the likes of Carew, Gabby, Ash Milner and Stan?? |
holteend paul
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... show your backing lads and have a punt htt://shop.ebay.co.uk/astonvillab6/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 |
Chiefy
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... AK - i see what your saying mate you talking along the lines of like obertan and alike ??? |
abz1888
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... On the subject of Little Brad, look out for a Q&A feature with him in the Spurs programme. I interviewed him a few weeks ago and Villa are publishing it in the Spurs programme. It's by Abdul Kashif, which is moi! Just letting everyone know.. Any feedback would be appreciated after people have seen it. |
ak_27
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... Yes for starters. How much did Anelka cost Arsenal first day? You won't find too many bargains in the lower divs. Time to start shopping elsewhere where the goods are of better quality and of higher quality. |
doubledown9
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... Frosty I saw that lik as well it was on the sun's website last night. Can't say I know anything about the player though. |
Villa_Chris
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... Don't worry ak_27, the Irish in me always comes out....when I do something daft |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Frosty, I saw that this morning, I live near Ipswich and will be quizzing my mate who is an avid fan. I like being linked with all this promising young talent it gives me a good feeling about the future of the club. This probably stems from the fact that MoN knows he may be here at Villa for a long time, rather than just blowing the coffers on the chance of short term success. ak, I understand what you're saying mate about players like that from the continent, but Man U spent more on Nani than we did on Ash and I'd rather have Ash. It's all subjective and I think we are doing fine as we are. We paid through the nose for players like Ash and Milner, but they are good young players and look like they'll more than pay back their fees. What about Guzan too? what a masterstroke, it proves MoN can do it, I think he just prefers players with a good grasp of English or have experience of playing in this country. It seems we have a decent fiorst eleven full of good homegrown players with a mix of youth and experience, now we are also signing a lot of the best english talent which will only be good for the club in the long run and may go some way to building a youth system akin to Arsenals albeit centering more around home grown talent. |
ak_27
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... JPA that Ipswich guy is supposed to be a big enough lad for his age. Its funny as i was listening to SSN when he scored his double and i thought to myself that he would probably be the type of player MON would be interested in. Didn't realise that we could nab him for nothing which is a bit unfair on Ipswich but as they have that c**t Keane in charge they desaerve all bad luck in the world until he is sacked. As for signing of English players i have no problem with that. Its just the guys ye were discussing really are not nearly good enough for what we need to be bringing in now. But MON does need to start looking further a field as if he doesn't he is at a disadvantage to the already stronger teams like Utd, Arsenal etc. Like i said earlier Tamudo is probably available in Jan for no more then 1m. I would rather pay that for a player with proven quality then 5/6m on the likes of Fryatt who in reality has very little chance of becoming a top drawer player for this club. Harewood has already shown us this and MON needs to start learning from his mistakes. The problem with buying English is that there is only a limited supply of real quality out there. No offense but England is not Brazil and with every other club in England also looking at these players your supply of quality players will be limited and you have to pay more for less. You end up paying £5m for a player who if they were to come from France with exactly the same ammount of ability would only have cost you £2m. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... ak, I agree with you mate, I just don't know why you keep killing yaself over this when we both know it won't happen. Wickham is 6'3 and looks worth a punt for free. I love this, it's the fact we are a hot bed of young english talent (albeit not really our own) that is giving us the clout to get htese youngsters in like Delph and Carruthers etc. They see us as a good place to launch their PL careers with a solid English contingent, a well respected manager with a team on the up and Youth/Reserve setup that has been probably the most successful outside the top four over the last few years. I can't fault MoN for working in this manner and it really excites me. The reason i'm not worried about the lack of overseas talent we sign is that it really doesn't seem to have hampered our progress so far and Eric Djemba Djemba, Bosko Balaban, Joey Gudjohnsen and Marcus Allback are still too fresh in my memory. Getting in kids and hooking them with the Academy set up and the beautiful BMH is brilliant and cheap. Now we have a quality first team we can afford to just secure our future by signing players that may be the superstars of the future, or at the very least provided enough transfer revenue to go out and sign players like Milner, Warnock, Collins, Ash and Downing. |
holteend paul
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... jpa... take marcus allback off that list NOW!,i loved him and he has scored where ever he has played and i remember the lad hitting 12 pre season goals only to find himself on the bench when the season started, this player was NEVER given a shred of a chance. |
frosty
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... I think Wenger shops abroad very well but other than him and Big Sam I can't think of many premier managers have very good hit rates at signing quality foreigners at low cost. Deep down we all want that foreigner with flair, it makes for more exciting match days and adds a little extravagance to the back of your Villa shirt. Biggest problem is England have a really limited stock of top class strikers at the minute, in fact we're shag*ed up front without Rooney. |
Badger
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... I see Ciaran Clarke has been called up for the U-21 squad. Well done son http://www.avfc.co.uk/articles...95_1874244 |
Badger
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...loved him and he has scored where ever he has played and i remember the lad hitting 12 pre season goals only to find himself on the bench when the season started, this player was NEVER given a shred of a chance. I still can't get my head round that one. Very strange. Not sure if that was one of JG's alledged dodgy deals or if it was something even more sinister???? |
Badger
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... Here's a little something that has brightened a deidely dull day for me. Well funny, imo; http://irishsoccerinsider.word...-incident/ |
WinsforVilla
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... I think MON will not start little Brad in the Premiership until Big Brad cannot start through injury or suspension. That will seal his record. Thereafter I think both should get Premiership games in order to give ourselves experienced player and cover. |
Panos
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...Here's a little something that has brightened a deidely dull day for me. Well funny, imo; Thanks for this Badger. |
Panos
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...When we requested a 'VIP box' for our President, we were not looking for a box for him to stand on. |
IdahoVillan
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... I think that next year will be Guzan's year -- MON should slowly get him games (hope for a couple of good Cup runs). In the process, he may get some excelent international experience. He looks to be the starter for the US's friendly against Slovakia: http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Mens-National-Team/2009/11/Bradley-Names-Roster-To-Face-Slovakia.aspx With Tim Howard (US starter) out right now, he will get at least a few international caps. I don't know when he will dethrone Big Brad, but having a first-class goalkeeper on the bench learning from two of the best EPL goal keepers (Brad Friedel & Tim Howard - on the US team) is an incredible luxury! He is giving Tim Howard a run for first position on the US squad, the same as he is doing for Big Brad at Villa. Who knows, maybe another good run of form and Guzan might be starting in South Africa! Another Heskey situation, starting for country but on the bench for club! |
vivavilla
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... IdahoVillan You're right, look for Guzan to gain his experience this season from cup and international opportunities. I'm all for giving chances to youth/fringe players, but Goalkeeper is certainly not a position you can rotate. Friedel is the number 1, and Guzan should not be given "time" just for the sake of his development. |
west coast villan
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... vivavilla I'd still like for Little Brad to get a couple of premier league starts. I was really hoping he'd get more than one start when we played five games in 15 days. I think anytime your backup keeper is getting international games he shouldn't be considered a youth/fringe player. |
west coast villan
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... well played It does seem a bit harsh to Guzan though. In the admittedly few games I've seen him play he's never looked anything other than class. |
tommy_villa
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... 442 at home, 451 away. I would give friedel every league game this season with guzan playing all the cup games. Then let friedel retire/become a keeping coach at the end of the season and start looking for a good no.2 keeper in the summer. |
nick_not_nicky
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... Guzan will be the best goalie in the premiership by the time he is done. As far as formation goes, I think it really should depend on the situation, as in who we are facing away or home etc. But we are at best with Agbonlahor up on his own, and 5 in the middle no matter how you position those 5. |
ak_27
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... Badger that was great. Managed to get a ticket for the game tomorrow night to hopefully watch the Honey Monster destroy the French. |
mon 4-5-1
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...... Quality.... |
Badger
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...Managed to get a ticket for the game tomorrow night to hopefully watch the Honey Monster destroy the French. Yes, should be a good game. I'll try and catch that one too. What about fat frank getting injured after not having his usual full lie down bed for the Qatar flight? God, these players are so pampered these days  |
Rios.Jockstrap
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... I have been informed by contacts within the Foriegn office that a French Naval task force consisting of an Aircraft Carrier, Three amphibious warfare vessels plus destroyer and frigate escorts, has left the port of Cherbourg on a South-westerly heading. Diplomatic sources also note naval activity at Le Harve, Dieppe, and Marseille. French Paratroop units have been noted on the tarmac of Tours airbase. I am further informed that the Scottish regional authority have given permission for French Air units to deploy at Glasgow international. Basicly, the shits hit the pan |
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