Written by Damian Friday, 10 July 2009 09:28
I don´t think I can completely agree with what Doc posted yesterday. Don´t get me wrong, the feeling was fantastic but I´d swap Lerner in a heartbeat for someone willing to put a few quid into the club.
It isn´t that Lerner hasn´t put in a few quid and I love the mosaic, but had he given O´Neill some proper money to spend we would have been in the Champions League by now and if he doesn´t start giving proper money soon it won´t be long before others start referring to him as just another Doug Ellis.
But, the mosaic is nice, the PR is fantastic and the sentiment is great but we would all swap for success because ultimately that is what supporting a football team is about.
But we are not here to talk about that today we are here to talk about Fabian Delph and if you believe the papers we have had a bid turned down.
I believe the papers today and it wouldn´t surprise me if he was fairly close to the top of the Martin O´Neill wish list and talking about the manager, he has spoken.
Martin O´Neill
We have lost a couple of players - Gareth has gone and Martin has had to quit so there are obvious and immediate replacements that we are looking to bring in.
I am hoping we will be able to add to the squad over the next couple of weeks.
I loe Martin O´Neill almost as much as I love my wife, my son, my vegetable patch and almost as much as I love brown sauce, but all this ´hope´ is start to frustrate.
I´m going swimming. Back in two hours with ´hopefully´ news of a signing.
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Daniel
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... I don't think its that Lerner isn't giving MON the money, i think its MON doesn't know how or want to spend the money.  |
Jinksy
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... How can a 19 year old 3rd Div player be top of MON's list?? One for the future yes but nor a replacement for Barry in a million years. |
cjd10030
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... Dont hold your breath Damian, I love MON more than I love Texas BBQ Pizza from Dominos but he could have appeased us more by vowing "I will be adding to the squad over the next couple of weeks " !!!! |
Ronan Kenny
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... Id say its a combination of both, he has money but i dont think its as much as people think, and secondly MON just doesnt know how to close the deal. Its rediclious how slow we are in the market, we should have been one of the fisrt teams to start signing players considering the squad size. He obviously new he wanted Delph a while ago and yet a bid only goes in yesterday, shockingly slow the lad is. Get a move on Martin, you wont get away with the small squad excuse this season. |
Daniel
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...Get a move on Martin, you wont get away with the small squad excuse this season. He always has and always will use that excuse for being slow in the transfer market. Don't get me wrong i love the bloke and he's the best manager we had in years, but in the transfer market hes shocking. |
Villain down South
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... Strange how Lerner can be criticised for not giving enough cash, yet we are reporting to be bidding £6m on a real player for the future. People seriously need to have realistic expectations. The abramovich/city/real owners are not the norm. For example - just look at what Everton have spent so far...look at what Arsenal have spent.... |
ak_27
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... The Black Pearl i couldn't agree more. If Delph is a top target why has it taken this long to put a first bid in? |
Jinksy
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... Can i add where does this £5 for Carew come from??? Crouch is £12m Carew £5m?? ehhh..... Delph a 19yer old kid from the 3rd Div £6m...Somebodys having a fooking laugh. Oh & Naughton a 2nd Div kidd and right back is £7m. All couldn't even lace Carew's boots. Sell Carew & that will be the end for MON. |
cjd10030
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... Arbee, ftw +1.....what does that mean? i hope you are not slating my pizza of choice ?? |
upthevilla
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... First signing tonight, mark my words....Delph. I also think JC wont go. MoN is alwful in the market.....we all know that deap down. However I believe his approach is money based i.e. sell on fee's for young English talent. Learner the Liar. When will you lads wake up and realise that Learner is full of US crap. He is not a man that had a billion infact I would hate to guess what he has. DE done the training ground and the trinity.....what else has RL done apart making a pub look ok. Betrayed again. |
Mowgs
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... I'd be delighted if we got Delph. Even if we end up paying over the odds (again) for a young British prospect. Personally I'd much sooner pay £6-8m for Delph than £5m for Borowski. MON holding a press conference later today. Doubt he'll give much away but should be interesting. I expect more of the 'hope' talk that Damian rightly criticises. |
Steve Badger
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... Damian, I'd hardly call the second biggest spenders in europe "not giving him money to spend". Imo, that's totally unfair. As for those criticising about only buying young english kids, can anyone tell me if that 6 + 5 rule is definitely coming out? I've only just thought about it, but if it is, I'd say it's an excellent route to take. |
TT
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... All i ever hear are doubters of MON and Mr Lerner, do we all have short memories to the times of O Dreary and Mr Ellis, We have taken huge steps ina short time we play fantastic attacking football and the squad although small is full of class players... Give the managment time and MON will add the right players to the squad !!!!!1 |
adam
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... veloso stated hes defo leaving so pull ya finger out MON. 5 MILL FOR CAREW? HOW VERY DARE THEY |
Dale Wootton
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... i know when the transfer window's open its a difficult time to be a villa fan but ild rather martin take his time over buying players i man its quite clear when under pressure him makes bad signings I.E harewood salifou maloney zat knight ect so lets judge what hes done in the window at 6 oclock on the 15th of august  |
Gwhizz
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... I think a club of our size should be looking at Delph & Naughton as we're big enough to give them a platform to express themselves. I do think the next move will be a player leaving though, with Zakora leaving spurs for spain I do think Harry will go after Reo Coker. As for our next transfer, I think distan/senderos will be first closely followed by Bentley with the idea of playing Milner in the middle for a few games. Carew has had his head turned so a replacement will be needed and I hope we're still in with a shout for Berg |
Mini O'Neill
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... Hi All, I have read the blog with interest over the last few weeks and have now decided to make an input. I think Lerner is the right man to take Villa forward, I have to say I feel there is money to spend I just think O'Neill is trying to find the right players instead of just splashing the cash right left and centre. He wants to spend the money wisely and is not afraid to spend a couple more million on top of valuations of players aka Milner for 12 million but doesn't want to pay to over the top in transfer fees. I feel we have put bids in for the likes of Delph, Bentley and Naughton. But if you get quote 7 and 6 million for 2 players who have yet to make an appearence in the premiership then O'Neill has to seriously consider if these are the right players who could step in and make a real contribution to the side from the off. The same goes for David Wheater aswell who we were heavily linked with a couple of weeks ago. Is he worth the 9 million that was being reported. Is he the right calibre of player to fill Laursen's boots? I feel that it is spurs who are stopping the bentley deal going through. I feel they gave us permission to speak to the player but I feel Harry went back to O'Neill and said we want this this and this player as part of any deal. Is O'Neill really stupid to accept Ash Young or Carew in part exchange for Bentley? O'Neill wants to build the team not sell until natural replacements are in place. There is alot of thinking behind transfers and yes I am as frustrated as anyone on this forum and other forums that no signings have taken place as yet considering there are other teams who are already in the market. People might say well we could of signed Owen, Daniel Sturridge and so on. But O'Neill might have looked at Owen he might of asked for 'over the top' wages and the question there would be is he worth the gamble considering his injuries over the last few years. Will he considerably improve our strikeforce? Alex Ferguson came in and Owen thought well they are a great club who I could win trophies with so I don't mind taking this much of a pay cut with them but with sides like Hull, Stoke and Villa at the moment they are premiership clubs but will they be in line to challenge for the title or just mid table/europe at the end of the season? Daniel Sturridge was offered a contract extension at Man City and when Chelsea came calling are Villa going to want to match those wages? Would Sturridge play week in week out? He won't get it at Chelsea but Chelsea can afford to pay a player top wages for sitting on the bench. Villa can't. I trust O'Neill will eventually bring the right players to the club, he always does, whether thats tomorrow, 2 weeks or even in a month time. I'm sure the players he does bring in will only benefit the club as a whole. |
JC
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... I think its just pure frustration thats getting these negative posts come out. I for one would feel pretty sick at what my club is doing to football if we were anything like Man City. I sincerely hope a wage cap restriction is enforced soon because they are the club destroying football by offering stupid money and stupid wages for players. Yes Madrid can do it because they are Real Madrid, the biggest club in the world pretty much. You can understand, like from Ronaldo's perspective, that playing for a club like that carries great pride, and there is a lot of passion involved playing for a club like that. Man City on the other hand are prepared to pay up to 300k a week and 40m for John Terry. Aren't in europe, and probably won't be under sparky. It has to be said that any player going to that club is going purely for financial reasons, what Rafa said regarding Barry pretty much hits the nail on the head. Look at all the dross they have bought and paid over the odds for, Bridge for 12m? Bellamy for 14m? Santa Cruz 18m? Jo 18m? over 60m for average players....would I be happy if Villa were doing this? no I wouldn't, it makes a mockery of football, even Abromovich wouldn't be that stupid with his money. Yes he spent an obscene amount of Shevchenko but he was regarded as one of the best strikers in world football at the time. Anyhow, while I'd like Villa to buy bigger, it would be good to see progress done in a more sound, sustainable way, by people who care about the club. Not just some Johnny Foreigner with an infinite cash supply, prepared to spend all the money in the world on average players and have Mark Hughes as manager. Mark my words, Man City will be the downfall of the Premier League. |
Arbee
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... ".. Arbee, ftw +1.....what does that mean? i hope you are not slating my pizza of choice ??" for the win (in stupid internet speak that amuses me some what), I'm whole heartedly agreeing that the Texas BBQ is one of the finest pizza's to have ever passed my lips. Dominator base and added ground beef, Saturday night in front of MOTD = heaven......although won't be as sweet next season if we don't sign any players, this small squad excuse is no longer valid, the opportunity to correct it is there NOW |
Steve
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... "I am hoping we will be able to add to the squad over the next couple of weeks." MoN you have known since January our squad isnt big enough and since then we have lost our 2 captains. What exactly have you been doing this last 6 months and inparticular the last month. Surely prior to the end of season he was smart enough to have already identified who he wanted to bring in. |
Mac McCarthy
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... im fed up with all the speculation its like the crying wolf story where eventually people just get so fed up with it all they start ignoring everything thats said. sorry to be so down but i really am totally and utterly pissed off with it all. |
vijay
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... If Lerner doesnt have big money then for the sake of the club he should consider bringing in outside help, from an arab investor or something on those lines but keeping control of the club. Moving on to Mon and transfers, i have lost total faith, mon has no clue, he cannot even deal with a 3rd divistion team and player, although i would e very happy with the signing of Delph. I dont whats happened to Bentley maybe the deal wasnt as done as some people thought, if he signs for someone else then that will be it, mon is playing a very dangerous game, if we are in the bottom half of the table at Christmas people will want him out, wakeup mon and sort this out now!! |
Keith
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... Harry Redknapp has turned down a £12m bid from Sunderland for Darren Bent yet offers us £5m for Carew ????? The man is f***ing idiotic. |
Ant0004
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... Lets not forget we spent over 40 million last summer!some people on here never seem satisfied,yeah we need players,I'm pretty sure martin knows that.we all need to relax.people who are slating the reo cokers and shoreys in the squad should realise thar these squad players would walk in to over half the teams on our league.so it's not all doom and gloom yet. Yeah I'd have loved us to have signed 4 players already, nut as mentioned above,look at everton and arsenal.plenty of time yet.I'm well excited already for next season, think martin will pull a few good signings out the bag and everything will be looking good. Plus with the world cup this year,what a great time to have a load of English talent trying to force their way on to the world cup squad! |
Paul Egan
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...But, the mosaic is nice, the PR is fantastic and the sentiment is great but we would all swap for success because ultimately that is what supporting a football team is about. I don't think success is all that supporting a football team is about. Otherwise, 99% of all football supporters would give up and go home. And Lerner could never be mentioned in the same breath as Ellis because he doesn't interfere with team affairs and cut costs to the bone. It isn't just about how much money he makes available for transfers. I reckon we're going to see a net spend of over £20m this summer, with a gross spend closer to £35m-£40m, but we can reflect on the summer window when it closes. Also, it's nice to see that MON wants to make signings (plural) in the next couple of weeks. That's at least 2 signings by 24th July. Let's hope that by 'a couple' he means 'a few'! |
NickC
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... Had a conversation with one of my sons this morning about Delph and whether he could really be worth £6 million. My son reckons he is but I'm questioning that a 3rd tier player can really be worth that kind of money. I drew the comparison with Sturridge from Man City. At least he's played in the Premier League and scored a few goals and looks comfortable at that level and he's cost somewhere between £3-6 mill depending on who you listen to. Then there's Frazer Campbell at £5-6 million who's also played at that level. How can anyone say that Delph can command a £6 million fee??? I would say that perhaps a bid of £3 million with add ons is the better way to go. Perhaps I'm on my own in these thoughts although I read someone else saying how can Carew be viewed as a £5 million signing but the Robot at £12million. I know who I'd rather have. |
Mowgs
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... Reasons why Carew leaving wouldn't shock me completely; even if he was the only player scoring in the second half of the season: a) He has struggled with injuries. b) He's never seen eye to eye with MON since the nightclub incident. c) He's one of the biggest earners at the club. d) However much he says he loves the club he's always been nomadic and poor at settling. e) There are more Spearmint Rhinos in London than Brum. f) Dealing with Harry will increase our chances of signing Spurs squad players. Likewise with Barry I think if MON intends to let him go then he will have a replacement lined up. Still wouldn't change the fact that I'd be disappointed to see him go. |
true villa
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... like i keep f**king saying!!! mon needs to go now!!!! if he doesnt he will ruin villa. lerner is a dick as well. he promised lots and the only thing he has done is make a pub that is empty most days!!! mon needs to go now before its too late! we need klinnsman as a manager |
upthevilla
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... Speculation is one thing, action another. We have slacked off the pace due Liar Learner and Martin Shall I Deal! As I said prior, 13th this season. |
mini_beest
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... I was looking around the net this morning and I came across this on Eurosport: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/premier-league/transfers.html The one section for us shows: Out (signed): Gareth Barry (Manchester City, £12m); Martin Laursen (retired); Stuart Taylor (Manchester City, undisclosed); Zat Knight (Bolton) So is this a cock up on Eurosports part or has the £3m transfer gone through and Eurospot have found out first?? |
Robbie Wells
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... Mini beest, that's hilarious. I think it's meant to be on the rumours part, but still, i'd take it if it was true. |
cjd10030
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... Arbee a man in my own mould, dominator base good, but ground beef ??...youu should try chucking some sliced sausage on that bad boy ! Anyway enough of making me and everybody else hungry, it annoys me that we are spending money this ummer to try and stand still, say we spend 25million net, surely we would have been better placed to spend that same £25million in January when we really needed it, i think this is would have made the real difference and likewise would have made us more money next year. Really gets my goat ! |
sidioteque
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... I think its very harsh to criticise Lerner! Supporting a club is not all about succes. I disagree strongly about that one. If that is true, tehn support Utd. You can guaruntee it! Would you really want to have a Suadi take over the club and use us a souless toy? I wouldn't! |
Keith
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... truevilla You keep saying it but nobody listens to you because you are wrong!!!! Randy Lerner and Martin O'Neill are the best thing to happen to Aston Villa since Peter Withe's miss kick. |
loonylandslide
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... There's no way you can say that RL hasn't given M'ON the money. We were one of the biggest net spenders last summer, plus he has forked out for brand new training facilities, revamping the stadium, doing up the holte pub, etc. most other clubs would swap for RL in a heartbeat. The truth is you are an absolute moron so you obviously cannot see the bigger picture. Hopefully you will eventually move on and support Spurs or Liverpool - sounds like you would fit right in there. at least you will eb posting this drivel elsewhere. BTW I hope this is only a hobby as you have no future as a professional. |
Charlie Littlejohns
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... The transfer window has become like an addiction.. I must look at newsnow more than I check my work emails, not good. Im keeping the faith with O'Neill.. he's a smart man. Any idiot can see we need players, big players to replace Barry and Laursen, plus a good 5 or 6 more in my opinion to get the squad in shape... so a smart man like O'Neill knows it. The signings will come. |
NickC
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... Not sure who true villa is but I dont agree at all with your comments. You seem like the kind of supporter that I used to listen to when I had season tickets in the Doug Ellis Lower Wings. Always moaning no matter how things are going. We all get frustrated, we all want the big signings etc but we aren't Man U,Liverpool,Chelsea or Man City who make the really big signings. I'm from Bristol and support the lower league local club from the city (Rovers) also and when you go and watch them and support them and then come up to Villa, you really can appreciate that its an entirely different game that you watch and a completley different level that you are operating on and what really upsets me and my lads is the amount of whinging supporters that there are inside Villa Park at times. Some people need to get a reality check. 6th place 2 years on the trot is pretty damned good and makes Villa one of the top teams in the Premier league and cetainly a team to be proud to support and I'm sure they'll continue to grow stronger the way they're going and eventually they will be genuine top contenders because they've doe it steadily and have the infrastucture to support it all. Just try getting behind the club you supposedly support and exercise some patience. They will get there. Man U were pretty average under Alex Ferguson for a few seasons, it didn't just happen overnight although perhaps if you are a younger supporter, you might think that they've always been the best. |
Platypus
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... "Lerner Liar"? Have you no clue of how a sale of a large organisation happens? Lerner would've had to provide detailed accounts to Deadly's people to show that he had money in place for new players before approving the sale. Lerner also funded O'Neill to the tune of £50m last summer, so if that's not going to prove things to you then you're a berk. 13th place is it? Noted. See you next May. |
Charlie Littlejohns
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... True Villa, you speak complete shit. Villa have just had two back to back 6th place finishes... O'Neill must go before its too late?? Lerner is a dick... absolute idiot. The Holte Pub has limited numbers because they dont want it to get rammed like all the other pubs around |
Altan Kargaci
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... I think if MON is worried about paying to much for Delph then he should offer say £4m up front , £1m if he makes a certain number of apperances by a certain time and another £1m if he gets an England cap. Easy ...!! I have a feeling Haangerland will be our first signing btw. UTV |
WorcsVillan
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... Have any of the people on this blog questioning if Delph is worth £6m actually seen him play live?? I saw him at least a dozen times last season as a couple of mates are Leeds fans and when Villa haven't had a Saturday game i've gone along with them. The lad has everything and is absolute quality. To label him as just "a 3rd division footballer" is laughable....Ok the standard of opposition he's come up against is hardly Champions League standard but it's been a great grounding and apprenticeship for him. £6m in my opinion is a small gamble for a player that will be worth three times that after a couple of seasons in the Premiership. |
jk92923
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... the money is available, MON is just not signing the players. Lerner is not doing what the likes of the Liverpool board did and sign their own players they liked. its O'Neill who needs to get his finger out..... |
ak_27
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... Badger i can't see that rule come in as it goes againest EU law i think.But lets say we do continue down this line i have no objections to the signings of players like Delph and Naughton. But if you want young English talent you will have to pay for it. £6m for Delph and £7m for Naughton is the going rate for English u21. So i don't want to hear him moaning about how much this club wanted for such a player. If you buy English you pay over the odds. MON you must surely have realised this by now so pay what you have to pay and just do it or change your policy and buy young cheaper foreign talent. |
Altan Kargaci
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... Worcsvillian- Well said , this is just the sort of player we should be taking a gamble on . Seen him play once against Brighton down here , scored a screamer and was MOM . Has real natural composure . UTV |
Christian
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... £6m is about right for him I think. I've seen him a few times and to me he looks like a Jenas-type player. I think he'll be hit or miss at Villa. He could be an absolute gem, or he might just be a good lower league player who doesn't really do it at top level. But any signing will do for me!!! |
Keith
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... ak_27 European law would not come into it. Any football club can employ as many non English European players as they want, they just cant play them all. |
Tim Wood
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... I have never read such a big pile of horse wank, not from you Damian but from the idiotic commentators above calling for MON's and RL's heads to roll. So do you all think that if you throw endless amounts of money about you can get whoever you want to sign for the club?? B*ll*cks!! Lets take Man City for instance, which players have they signed, since the middle east takeover, that they can say are truely world class? Robhinio? Don't think so! Santa Cruz? No better than any of the Villa strikers! Barry? Probably there best signing, but I'd rather have the £12million! Wayne Bridge? £12.5m ha! Craig Bellamy? See You Next Thursday! Nigel De Jong? ????? Shay Given? Past it, much like our Brad! Vincent Kompany? ????? SWP? No Ashley! The list doesn't exactly enthrawl me! Yes they maybe linked to the best players in the world, but the BEST players aren't all necessarily driven by money. Some people on here really need to get a grip! If all you want is for MON and RL to go and spend endless amounts of money on overpriced "sell-your-soul" players like above I suggest you go and support Man City. And when Villa finish above them yet again, we can all point and laugh at you, just like we will with Judas! |
JSINGH
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... This would be my kind of player. Miguel Veloso has told Sporting Lisbon that he has decided to leave the club this summer, according to reports in Portugal. Newspaper O Jogo says that the 23-year-old Portugal midfielder has spoken to club officials about his plans and instructed agent Paulo Barbosa to find him a club abroad. Aston Villa have apparently joined Bolton in the chase for Veloso, but Sporting are apparently holding out for a minimum of €10million (£8.5m). However, reports suggest that Sporting have yet to receive any firm offers for a player who has been a long-term target for Bolton boss Gary Megson. |
JImbo
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... I for one would not swap Randy for anyone right now. I don't want to win the Prem just because a Saudi oil baron decided to buy it for us. I'd rather that we keep on doing what we're doing. We've signed good players at fair prices and we're got a great manager. I wish Villa fans would just change their attitudes from bloody moaning about everything all the time. In the last hundred years we've won the league once, the cup twice and the European cup once. Fantastic achievements but not enough to give us a divine right to sit at the Premier League's top table. We've got to set our sights lower. To finished 6th two years on the trot is brilliant, but it's going to be really difficult to do it again this year. I think anything in the top half is a real achievement. I'd rather leave megabucks Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City to it and just concentrate on singing decent young players, playing good football and moving them on at a profit. We haven't been one of football's big guns for over a century, so let's just get real eh? |
ak_27
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... Keef it has to come into it. I can see the big clubs spending big money on bringing this rule to court stating that by limiting the number of oversea's players who they can pick is the same as not employing them. I really can't it happen to be honest. This would be dragged on for years. |
Christian
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... Off subject, I see Rafa Benitez has questioned Barry's motives and integrity and called him greedy! http://www.skysports.com/story...19,00.html |
Christian
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... Jsingh, if we sign Veloso where would he play? He's a holding midfielder. So we either drop Petrov (that'd anger a few) or push him into an attacking role (we all saw how effective he was at that in the Prem). |
TrueVillan
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... MON interview on official site, we are HOPING to sign players in the coming weeks, i have heard this interview ever since he joined us! not WE WILL sign someone, not something soon, just hope! i dont think even he is confident about his signing ability! until i am blue in the face LOOK ABROAD! jurado is a top spanish prospect, for around 7mil, attacking midfielder and indicated he would come, played at the top level in spain, the country who are european champions and champions league winners, so he must have something to look good there so what are we looking at, same figure but for 3RD DIVISION player! does anyone know the record for a 3rd division sale? i will bet we are about to break it! velso, jurado, defour, miguel these are players to go straight into the first team, so why the f*!"!! are we looking at squad players! delph may turn out to be the next gerrard, but we need a replacement for barry (a full england international) not a kid with a lot to learn is this our top targets? we tried for doyle before he went to wolves, that sums it up for me, another average player grateful to MoN for the chance! i still believe he is the best manager, but he has no european knowledge, he still manages like an old style boss, believing he can buy from the lower divisions of england, and will not touch stars i believe carew shows this, a player who has been to levels MON has never been and its plain to see MON is very uncomfortable about him, even rubbishing his goal of the season, voted for by the fans, and stating ashley youngs goal against everton was better! way to build ya strikers confidence martin! carew had one small incident, and been in bad books since! if i was a pro footballer, i would live in lap dancin clubs!! he really needs to look further afield and take a chance on european players, who we could buy more of and would give us that flair we so miss at times |
Mark Johnson
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... another day another blog another day for moaning about MoN, You guys are soo predictable, Yes slag him and Mr Lerner off come the end of August, but, until then lets trust them and see what they do. Just because they haven't bought anyone in yet it's fair game (according to most of you) to harp on about the past and DE & DoL. I'll be shouting from the rooftops if they mess up BUT and it's a big BUT, wiat and see , stop getting so angry, jealous and downright rude (yet) to a management team who in 4 years have given us 2 seasons of European football made us happy to be Villa fans again (exited) and aint done a bad job so far. Dol was a twat but he was the one who said we were fickle, maybe he had a point!! UTV |
Keith
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... ak_27 So it is illegal to only field 11 players at one time now then? EU law doesn't stop Arsenal employing 30 French men but only playing 11 does it? If UEFA want this to happen - as they appear to do - then it will happen. |
David Lewis
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... I think they will resolve the Delph deal sooner rather than later... added bonus of having ex-villa man Grayson at the helm! http://www.yorkshireeveningpos...5448952.jp |
statesidevillian
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... Maybe Lerner should do what happens here in the USA. Get a general manager in to take care of transfers/trades, and leave MON to take care of the rest!!  |
kenvilla
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... True Villa and Upthevilla you seem to have got your names wrong. I would go with Impatient and Jealous of City. If your a real Villa fan you would see you dont even like the club. You slate MON and Lerner. They are the two biggest people out of all the staff at Villa. You then slate most MON signings which makes up a lot of our squad. All this spells to me you dont like Aston Villa and if you dont like our great club piss off. Just think before you reply as im sure you will, think about if you really support the Villa. |
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... MON: the managerial equivalent of marijuana. He numbs me so much with his cautiousness that by the end of the transfer window I feel totally stoned. Can we finally agree, on the 4th summer of this endless, exhausting project, that we'll never go beyond 5th/6th spot? So we can all go for a beer and get over all this Irish/American PR nonsense we've been fed for the past few seasons. |
Mowgs
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... Be good for Nath to spend a season on loan playing first team football week in week out. Felt we should have sent him out last season really. Guessing Bates is more of a stumbling block rather than Larry Grayson. |
avfc1983
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... Defour NOT FOR SALE EVERTON HAVE BID REJECTED OF 15 MIL http://www.nsno.co.uk/news.php?item.4869.5 |
Christian
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... Jlimbo said: I'd rather leave megabucks Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City to it and just concentrate on singing decent young players, playing good football and moving them on at a profit. That's a great point, but we certainly, certainly, certainly do NOT play good football!!!! Let's hope it comes this season, but I think we're all aware that MON will favour his long ball over the top or into the corners again. Effective with the players we have to implement it, but not pretty. |
Steve Badger
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... Kenvilla, True Villa and Upthevilla you seem to have got your names wrong. I would go with Impatient and Jealous of City. I suspect they're noses mate. Or if not just a couple of tools  |
JImbo
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...That's a great point, but we certainly, certainly, certainly do NOT play good football!!!! Couldn't agree more with that comment. I'd love to see us build towards a reputation for good football and on that point I'd have to concede that MON might not be the right man to take us there. |
Hadders7
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... I firmly believe that both Lerner and MON are the right men to take our club forward...that said, we need bums on seats as everyone is only too aware! I would like to see Delph and Naughton at Villa...but only as squad players at this time. Delph is a good player but was shocking in the play-offs for Leeds at the end of the season and it's a huge step up in class. We need to be aiming our sights higher and go abroad...we have plenty of English talent, lets pick up some bargains abroad...Veloso, Defour etc. I have to agree with comments already made, if Crouch and Bent (who I would like at the Villa!) are worth 12m then Carew has to be worth at least as much...or is this the make weight for Spurs dead wood to join our club?? It would be a terrible decision in my opinion to let our highest goal scorer to leave because if I am being totall honest...I really don't see who else is going to score inthat team...Heskey??? Gabby??? Harewood??? We need at least one more QUALITY striker to add to Carew, not let the only good one leave! The spine of the team needs replacing as there is a huge void to be filled. Come on MON...get some players signed and not just ones for the future...we are in the here and now! |
Mark
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...Have any of the people on this blog questioning if Delph is worth £6m actually seen him play live?? WorcsVillan - Nice to hear the opinion of a proper supporter. |
Christian
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... I've previously read Brian Clough's autobiography and just finished reading The Damned United. There's a host of similarities between MON and Clough (even down to the stubborness, tv manner and humour) but many, many vast differences. My point is, Clough was pretty much self-confessed rubbish at finding players! He openly gives all the credit to Peter Taylor for 'spotting'. Clough just closed the deals with inimitable style and then got the best out of the talent on the pitch, much like MON does. Perhaps MON really does need a hand to find players, if the finest manager of all time needed help, maybe MON does too. And that'd be another similarity between the two... |
Steve Badger
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...Delph is a good player but was shocking in the play-offs for Leeds at the end of the season Yes, I said the same in the previous thread last night. I wouldn't say he was shocking, but he certainly never stood out for me. Very composed, almost laid back, but nothing special. I'm not saying I wouldn't have him, more I'm not sure he could step up yet. |
Robbie Wells
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... Remember when MON was bitching and moaning about not wanting to pay £15mil for a player he thought was worth £7mil? I think we should definitely assume he was referring to Defour. We've not been linked to him seriously for a while, Everton are bidding £15mil and being turned down...i think MON feels as though he's been priced out. I however, think that he's worth more than Felliani, and Liege have every right to demand top dollar. But i don't manage the team. |
Warren Aspinall
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... Some of the above comments are disgusting. "Liar Lerner"? I'm ashamed that fans as childish and cynical are associated with Aston Villa. Is anyone really naive enough to think that the Delph bid only went in yesterday, just because that's when Leeds announced they'd turned down bids. Bids are in all over the place but it's not just a case of Chairmen sitting by their fax machines, sending messages back and forth. Offers have to go through boards, managers and often shareholders. Wise-up for god's sake. |
john franey
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... Sky sports say everton being given permission to speak to kyle naughton ah well another target gone  |
VillaMitch
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...wicklow villa said: Who said he was a target? Its just more rumour bull**it that we have any interest in him at all. Nobody knows who MON's targets are. £7m for a right back who won't play unless Luke Young is injured/rested next season suggests that he probably wasn't a target at all. |
dave
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... for heavens sake i throught this was a aston villa site for all the slatting of mon and randy learner the best things to don our club for years which i find disgusting. those who do mock those above should just take their little narrow minds back to the days D.O.L and D.E were at the helm. COME ON THE VILLA |
Keith
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... ak_27 It will not impose restictions based on nationality, clubs will be able to employ any amount of EU players they want. If you are being paid and going to work you are employed! |
1 New Villa Blogger
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... Thats b0ll0x, Naughton would have been a class understudy to Young, definate missed opportunity! |
Anthony Laud
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... sunderland agree fee for Frazier campbell - once that goes through just us and spurs to make a signing!! Naughton in talks with Everton - wonder if Osnail has seen that?? |
Keith
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... ak_27 6+5 rule does not conflict with EU law http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/feb/26/fifa-6-5-eu-law-independent-report-bosman-ruling-sepp-blatter |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... i'm wondering if mon is after any of these players that have been mentioned as surely we can't have lost out on all of them, can we? |
Hadders7
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... Naughton is a quality player and would be a superb addition to the squad. Just because we have a right back, doesn't mean to say we don't need another...we went 3 seasons without one remember! With such a small squad we need players in all positions who can cover...not just midfielders in defence and on the wrong side of the pitch! It hurts when Everton with such little financial backing seem to be going hard for the players they need and we haven't yet been accredited with a bid for a player...very frustrating! |
ak_27
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... Time will tell keef. I personally don't think it will happen as it would not benefit the big clubs all over Europe and they will pay big money to fight it and drag it through the courts. I still think it could also be argued that it does discriminate on the grounds of nationality. And the lawers will definately go down that route. I hope it doesn't go through becuase firstly it will only lead to increase in cost of home grown talent (talent which is already hugely over priced). You think £6m for Delph and £7m for Naughton is a lot just what would they cost if this law was to be intorduced. Long term it would still benefit the big clubs as they would snap up all the best young talent. Also as an Irishman it would be really bad for our national team as we would be counted as foreign players and would probably lead to less players in the PL. There will be a lot more to come regarding this rule change yet. |
john franey
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... I believe naughton would of being a target of mon.He is young english plays at right back were we need cover and is overpriced and we need cover in that area.Imagine havin 2 right backs at the club |
Keith
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... ak_27 Oh so as it wont help the Irish it wont happen. It will because FIFA and UEFA want it to happen. |
In MON I Still Trust!! (well sort of!!)
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... When I saw that breaking news on SSN my heart sank. I'm 100% positive that MON is interested in Naughton and due to him being too slow to wrap up deals, Everton will now land the player. Once he has talked to them, he won't be interested in moving anywhere else. Even if we match their bid. I'm so frustrated. Naughton will be in the England dquad by the end of next season...mark my words and rememeber this comment! How much longer can people on this site keep defending MON in the transfer window? |
pc
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... We need to show some patience. We dont want to rush out and make a ton of dud signings. These deals take time and top negotiators. The clubs would have top negotiation lawyers and financial operators working on the deals. Time plays a major part in determining price. The prices are just soo rediculously inflated at the moment that clubs are just putting stupid prices on players. All thanks to the rediculous spending by madrid and citeh. Good negotiators will work to get these deals done. If it gets desperate they will spend the money as the time factor becomes less, i have no doubt. The real problem are the madrids and man uniteds that borrow out of their capacity to fund rediculous transfers. Mark my words both clubs will be bailed out at some point by billionaires when the finances collapse. |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... to be honest, if it came down to a straight choice between us and Everton i think we will lose out everytime |
Daniel Wilson
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... If Mon is interested in Naughton he will talk to him too, it's not a case of naughton just turning up at Everton and signing a contract. Chill Winston |
In MON I Still Trust!! (well sort of!!)
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... DanWilson82, trust me if he speaks to Everton he will sign...I can see the quotes already. "Once I talked to David Moyes, they was no other club I wanted to talk to" "He showed the first interest in me and made me feel very wanted" |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... wow, settting our sights high if the daily mail is to be believed 'Delph is mon's main summer target' |
upthevilla
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... Kenvilla, badger etc... I have used the word deluded many times. And you fall into that mould. I love Aston Villa FC but am a realist. We are third rate. Basically the Fulham of B'ham. Smell the coffee lads. |
Keith
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... "to be honest, if it came down to a straight choice between us and Everton i think we will lose out everytime" Why is that, because of our moaning, miserable supporters? |
Keith
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... upthevilla I can imagine it is hard for you to be visionary and see what is really happening with your head stuck up your own arse! |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... maybe, but also because Everton are (as much as it pains me to say) are a much better team than us |
john franey
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... Tivivilla.Liverpool just signed johnson.chelsea arsenal and united have about 5 right backs each. |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... i'd chose villa as well, but only because i support them, if i was just interested in improving my career and my all round game and getting more regular games in europe i'd go to Everton |
upthevilla
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... Keefvilla, your good self and me could lock horns all day. However, you with your name calling and general abuse makes me think that you are not open to debate via minimum brain cells. AVFC will always be an "almost club". Grow up lad. |
james
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... i'm getting tired of coming on this blog everyday and people moaning that MON isn't moving quick enough in the transfer market. MON has never been fast in the market and never will be. thats just his style and we need to get used to it. believe me, i want signings and i want them now but were never going to make any signings til the end of july august time. it's the same every year so i don't know why people get so stressed about it. also, people saying how were missing out on opportunities like naughton. 1) he hasn't signed for anyone 2) who said he was a traget.....the papers!!! MON hasn't told who he is after and will always keeps his cards close to his chest. i'm confident we'll get the right players in, but don't expect any signings for at least a couple of weeks. patience please people. |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... and i'd look very carefully at the fact that Mon is known for playing players out of position and also for buying players and not being sure enough of them to give them a chance to impress |
Steve Badger
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...Kenvilla, badger etc... I have used the word deluded many times. And you fall into that mould. I love Aston Villa FC but am a realist. We are third rate. Basically the Fulham of B'ham. Smell the coffee lads. Upthevilla, we're so third rate, we've finished 6th two seasons running. I've decided, you're a bluenose tool. Why don't you go one one of your own sites and talk about the rubbish you've signed instead of poking your bluenose in here? |
In MON I Still Trust!! (well sort of!!)
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... Did anyone not see the two games against Everton last season. We were played off the park both times and if it wasn't for moments of class from Young and Milner, we would have lost both games. Their starting 11 is streaks ahead of ours. Only the 2 Youngs would get in their team. |
SlimJimVilla
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... Jesus, anyone would think we'd sold Carew and Young and bought Titus Bramble they way the posts are going. Considering nothing has been officially announced, I think we should wait and see before throwing Oneil and Lerner to the dogs. Have a bit of confidence in our club for f**ks sake. Ever considered the fact that JC wouldn't want to go to Spurs, let alone us wanting to sell him. Buying quality young players from the lower division has worked on many occasions...to me it's safer than buying a foreign player who might not settle, adjust to the English style, or really see Villa as the great club we are. Look at Cahill at Everton and our Ashley for that matter. Two of the best players in the Premiership this year, former Milwall and Watford superstars. Now f**king keep your Villa shirts on, forget the Sky Sports transfer hype, and stay true. City will have problems along the way, you can't keep that many egos happy, particulalry when you are looking to upgrade most of them. Tottenham are the same, if Harry gets his way and replaces all but 3 of his squad, and isn't in the top 6 by Christmas, he's sacked, and taking half the squad with him. Lets all calm down and see how it goes. Panic buys are not the answer. |
bfastvilla
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... ASTON VILLA IN TALKS WITH HANGELAND Premier League Aston Villa by Cell Number (U13837012) 10 July 2009 Fulham have accepted a bid from Aston Villa said to be in the region of £10m for unhappy central defender Brede Hangeland, we can now reveal. The 28 year old Norway skipper is said to be unhappy with the recent contract negotiations at Fulham and has been privately looking for a move away from the club since early June. John Carew, Villa's top scorer last season and Hangeland's Norway team mate is said to have influenced Hangeland into a move to Villa after enjoying a successful time there himself. The 6 ft 5 inch American-born giant is now in contract talks with Martin O'Neill and if negotiations and the medical are successful the signing is to be officially revealed in the next few days. FOUND IT ON 606. WETHER ITS TRUE OR NOT I DONT KNOW. (NO LINK), SO IT MAY JUST BE MADE UP. MADE ME HAPPY FOR A MINUTE THOUGH |
james
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... in MON i still trust (well sort of!!) said: Did anyone not see the two games against Everton last season. We were played off the park both times and if it wasn't for moments of class from Young and Milner, we would have lost both games. Their starting 11 is streaks ahead of ours. Only the 2 Youngs would get in their team. this is the most stupid thing i've heard in this blog. this is what makes a great team. that, when your not playing well, you have some players who in one moment of pure brilliance can win you a game. plus i'm sure all the evertons fans on that day when we won 3-2 would have preferred to play not great and win then to play very well and lose. |
In MON I Still Trust!! (well sort of!!)
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... tivivilla said: ... Dont know why you lot dont f**k off and surport Everton then. WASTERS Grow up. I'm just as much a Villa fan as anyone on this site. I'm just stating the obvious. Truth hurts at times. |
Filo
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... Please please please stop whining! How many clubs in the premier league can you look at say that they have improved their squad this summer? I would argue that so far only Man City have made significant improvements to their squad. Most clubs are in the same boat as us. We just have to have patience and accept the fact that most transfers happen towards the end of the transfer window. Its not MON or Lerner's fault. Its just a football fact and to expect anything different is unrealistic!! |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... Hangeland is the one link so far i really want to happen, if we get our defence sorted out we will be twice the team we were last season |
ak_27
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... keefvilla you really seem to have issues. I said i hope it doesn't happen as it will have a bad effect on our national team. I never said it won't happen because of how it would effect the Irish team. As for it happening because FIFA and UEFA wanting it, it will happen if the EU allow it. They will have the final say not Fifa and Uefa. |
Rich
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... Just thinking last night (poss prompted by that idiot Everton fan who invaded our site) which is the stronger of the two clubs at present and who is the more likely to break into the top 4. Choosing a team from Everton and Villa players I would include: Pienaar, Howard, Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Jagielka and possibly Baines at LB. Fellini or Petrov as the fourth midfielder. This would unfortunaely leave only Ash, Luke Young and JC as the Villa representatives. Add Rodwell to the above list and it looks Everton are stronger at the moment. |
Ronan Kenny
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... Sheffield Utd website now confirmed fee agreed for Naughton. Maybe MON didnt want him afterall or more realistic he did and was to slow. If Everton can afford him surely we can. Player still has to agree so it might not be dead in the water yet. |
Dan Price
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... Our two best players lost... no replacements in sight... Having bids rejected for Div 3 players, they want half of what we sold barry for and we wont pay it. Bentley was a done deal come July 1... its now July 10 and I havent heard a word? Seems we have lost out on Berg... villa were 4/11 to get owen - given a call from MON this could have been sorted earlier. No matter whether you were for or against this deal, now Fergie has backed it I think you will all agree if good enough for Man u, good enough for us! We have pretty much been offered Downing on a plate (strange situation granted) but no visible movement has occured. The dutch contingent of now bench warmers at Real are waiting to be signed, OK maybe we wouldnt get any, but worth asking the question surely, I seem to recall a certain two argentinians going to west ham not so long ago. 3 Years ago we were told there was going to be a revolution at Villa, that there was a 5 year plan to get into the champions league - Is that why we bought Heskey and changed the very successful formation, didnt want to finish early? Well now the goal posts have changed - Bookies have us to finish 8th this season thanks to MONs lack of foresight in previous transfer windows and now it seems we are just moving backwards. I heard he was in Belgium, I expected some Defour news... I think he just needed another holiday... great! |
Rich
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... Seriously hope that the 606 link has more credence than when I was made a complete mug and believed we were bidding for Huntelaar. Hangeland will go some way to solving our major weakness. |
Ronan Kenny
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... Rich At present Everton would be alot stronger, but mainly caus we havent got Barry or Laursen anymore. |
holte ade
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... Everton in talks with naughton!! FFS another target missed because mon is pissing about. |
Robbie Wells
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... Ak_27 and Keefvilla, i love the fact that you've got a private conversation going on with all of this whining going on around...I personally don't like this 6+5 balls, because of the negative affect that it will clearly have...it's a non sensical plan to implement, not for any EU reasons, but for the structure of the leagues...as was mentioned, crazy money will be paid for good English players, and the Arshavin's of this world won't be coming here, because we won't have the space in our teams. It's a crazy rule, and one that i think would be prevented by team power...despite the ability of Fifa to do what they want. Look at FIA and FOTA for previous on this kind of shit. |
Rich
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... Black Pearl. Agreed. I would definately have had Barry and Laursen in my 11, but at present without them we are well off the pace. |
Trezzy
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... Why is it that Everton are being linked to every single player we are? delph,naughton,defour ect.. Just makes you think that most of these rumours are paper talk, however i am very surprised that we havent nailed home the sturridge,delph and naughton rumours as these to me do sound like typical O' Neil deals and i for 1 would be happy with both of them? I hope im wrong but maybe we cant attract any1 now with man city having so much money? |
RayK
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... The Hangeland rumour on the 606 site looks a pile of poo as the link is just to a blank page on SSN. Re Naughton, I can only assume that MON isn't interested in him anymore? When two clubs are interested in a player, the selling club tries to create an auction (like Delph now). If one of the clubs drops out then the selling club normally agrees a fee with the remaining club quickly (like now with Naughton) before the negotiating power moves to the buying club. |
Keith
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... ak_27 Chill out and get a sense of humour. Read the article again, it has been checked and it is legal under EU law. But we could ask Sepp Blatter and Michel Platini to go round to your house to run it past you. deansaundersperm that's perm "getting more regular games in europe i'd go to Everton" how well did Everton do in Europe last season then? upthevilla Take your head out of your arse and see the improvement made by Villa under MON and stop writing crap and you wont receive any abuse. |
Keith
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... Robbie The 6+5 rule will mean that clubs will only bring quality foreign players and not the dross that litters our football at the moment. The Arshavins etc will always get a game. What will deter foreign players, and is already starting to, is the 50% tax payable by high earners. |
Christian
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... Somebody came into our office with a giant container full of sweets! So I've had an afternoon of Parma Violets, Drumsticks and Haribo. And now I'm reading that we may be in talks with Hangeland!!! Its the best Friday afternoon of my life  |
bfastvilla
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... dont think we are in talks. This cell number guy appears to have made up a few stories on 606. Although there is an article on goal.com which states that carew has commented recently on hangeland coming to villa. We can only hope. UTV |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... Keef, don't know how many more but i am assuming in the past 10 seasons Everton have been in europe more than we have, and although they did nothing at least they got into the CL once (i'm sorry if this is becoming an everton blog, it just that we get nothing from our own club to talk about) |
Owen avfc
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... Well I am suprised looks like we missed out on a signing, very unlike mon to drag his feet. Talk about mon being the next man u manager, they can have him. Smaller squad than last year, all ready he's off his head. Pull your bloody finger out for gods sake, he's to bloody busy living in the dark ages. |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... badger, the cell number is just the guys user name and number |
Goldie 7
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... On July 10th last year we got sidwell surely it can't be to long now before players come in. I personally believe we've been bidding for players that ie don't want to come, we could have not bid enough (Delph) or the club has completely said no which means we have got to go to plan b and start the whole process again. It seems to me villa are struggling to get in quality players which is something i can't understand why. |
WorcsVillan
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... It's reported that £4m has been accepted by Sheff Utd for Naughton. Great bit of business, can play either left or right back, great addition to any squad in the top flight in my opinion, hope we have/are about to match this offer. |
Ronan Kenny
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... ak_27 I take your point about the improvement we have clearly made to date, but lets not forget that can be very easily undone with a less than adequate squad for the season coming. I can gather from your posts your the ultimate optimist with regards to MON signing the right players, but as we have little evidence of that so far in this transfer window surely you can understand why fans are concerned. |
Christian
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... I can only imagine MON wasn't interested in Naughton, because £3.5m certainly isn't big money so its not like we've been frightened off. Worst case scenario, is maybe there isn't so much money flowing MON's way, perhaps he's having to prioritise and a secondary right back can't be justified whilst we have other right back options (Milner, Gardner, NRC!)?? But, I think its just a case of him not being interested. |
Steve Badger
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... Cheers Dean. I thought it might have been a looney's cell number (Joke, in case we have some mentally ill readers) |
Trezzy
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... If Naughton goes to Everton who are we gonna buy then? i cant see O'neil going outside of england? i so hope im wrong but i cant see it. |
ak_27
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... The Black Pearl i think you must have me mixed up with someone else. I wouldn't be too confident of MON in transfer market at all. |
Steve Badger
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... I wonder if MON and Moyes have done a deal? Everton get a clear run for Naughton and we get a clear run for Delph. Stops any bidding wars and both clubs are on a winner. Wouldn't surprise me. |
Christian
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... Black Pearl, you definitely aren't talking about the Ak_27 we all know and love on this site! |
Goldie 7
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... Any decent villa fan knows Everton are a quality side which in my opinion only keeps getting stronger which is something i really don't like to see happening but it is! When the Yac's fit he sure puts them away plus their defence is solid midfield is attacking and the strikers score goals unlike villa where we really on carew for the goals, Midfield is all about ash ash ash. Lets not talk about defence but it our team faces everton tomorrow my money wouldn't be on us? Harsh but all very true. |
Tim Wood
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... Keefvilla I agree with everything you say its just that I've got so fed up with some of the idiots on here that I can't be bothered arguing (or moaning)anymore! |
FatKevs
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... There is money available prehaps not as much as people think it myst be oooos not oooooooos The yank has debagged most fans & they do not realize it becuase there pants are so far up there own arse |
kohoutek, home now and name still not working properly
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... Ah, lovely to see everyone getting along. You can feel the love. Look, MON paid £12m for Milner. He knows how much players cost, English ones at that. As others have said, no one here has any idea who MON's real targets are, or what's been bid, hasn't been bid, and so on. Apparently we're pursuing Delph. That's about all we know. That should make people happy, since he's on about everyone's dream transfer list, will cost around £6m, and will likely not be ready to actually play first-team football in the PL. "But he'll be a good squad player, in cups, and give us depth." That he will. And when he fails to impress at this level, everyone wetting their pants over whether we sign him will then be slagging MON for paying £6m for a third-division player. Being a fan is wonderful. You don't ever have to be right. Or even make sense. |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... i think everyone is just desperate for a signing, remember people were trying to kid themselves that sol campbell would have been a decent signing |
Aero-For-Villa
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... seriously, would MON just pull the fu##ing finger out. He can sign any player he wants(within reason) but just wont pay up money thats not even his. It really cant be that hard. All he has to do is make appropriate offers for players that clearly and I emphasize clearly are a perfect fit into the team! Why cant he do it? Everton are in talks with Naughton after a 4 million offer. 4 million??? What the f##k? Does that really sound too much for a player that looks one of the brightest prospects in English football? No, exactly. Hes not just a bright prospect, but a player that we need to strengthen our team for now! Why cant he just do business? For Gods sake MON. Once again, just pull the bloody finger out! UTV! |
TrueVillan
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... surprised at naughton fee, 4mil is wortha punt! thought it was 7mil, that was bit excessive for him he is with squad in malta, so we have time to counter bid now the fee is set, which for some bizarre reason MON always prefers, so we can still get involved in this, also showing our interest will give him something to think about on flight home, so its not all everton! |
Frosty
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... Yes I'm sure MON has never watched Delph and knows nothing of his ability, just like his gamble with Young I would think we have had him watched for months, this isn't an act of panic it would be great business, I for one trust MON's judgement in young talent. |
kohoutek, home now and name still not working properly
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...i think everyone is just desperate for a signing, remember people were trying to kid themselves that sol campbell would have been a decent signing Agreed. There are just two dominant themes being beat to death that are rubbish: RL's a lying, yank shyster, and MON's an idiot who doesn't know any of the things we read in the papers. Oh, and Moyes is a genius and Everton are miles better, even though he's been at it 4 more years than MON (more than twice MON's tenure, in fact), and manages to wring out about 1-3 more points so far each season. Sorry, theme number three, emerging now because apparently he's "hijacked our interest (?) in Naughton," and Standard are looking at what the Man City money is doing and saying, "Why should we do a deal right now for anything less than record-signing money?" And most of the people demanding this signing as proof of MON's competence haven't even seen the man play. Like everyone, I come on looking for news, or interesting rumors, then I wade through all this idiocy. Or the "Here's my starting 11!" Bloody great. Bunch of 13-year-old Directors of Football. I'd rather go back to arguing about 4-5-1 vs 4-4-2, and which teams actually end up playing what. Or hearing about Damian's wife's concerns about his drinking. |
B.Robinson
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... I used to work for this website and they contact me with this story on a bid in for Diarra allegedly. He wouldn't say who the source was. http://www.oxygen.ie/page/2452 |
kohoutek, home now and name still not working properly
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...Yes I'm sure MON has never watched Delph and knows nothing of his ability, just like his gamble with Young Agreed...I'm just pointing out how you know it will go down with people who are always complaining. Basically, if MON's willing to go £6m+ for a 3rd division player, then people should stop moaning that he's not willing to take risks in the market. And if he does take the risk, they ought not slag him off if it doesn't come good, because they were all egging him on to make signings at any cost. |
bfastvilla
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... so many transfer rumour stories, really getting fed up with them. Just gonna wait for the yellow bar on sky sports news (been watching and waiting for a month now though). |
TrueVillan
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... b.robinson it would make sense, MON only gambles on foreigners he has seen in the premiership, and Real are off loading players, wages would be the only thing i can think of that would make it untrue, as he must be on good money, even portmouth paid over the odds for player wages, and chelsea def do, and Real, well, we all know how they pay! |
ak_27
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... TrueVillan why didnt it make sense to MON 18months ago when Diarra was in his office available at £5m? |
Tom
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... B. Robinson Please elaborate, never seen that site before. Is it another football-rumours type place, or is there more substance....? |
Ronan Kenny
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... B Robinson Id be surprised in a good way if this rumour was true but as Gutti is currently out of favour at madrid and Diarra is the only central defensive midfielder they have i cant see this happening. From what i can recall Diarra was one of there better players last year. TrueVillan spot on he ticks all the right boxes for a MON signing. |
Robbie Wells
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... The price, i can only assume, is a bit off...he cost Madrid just shy of £19mil and they're going to sell him 6 months later for £10mil? I know they're trying to get people off the wage book, but that's nuts. What's more, he did pretty well for Madrid, and so despite Kaka and Ronaldo, they don't need to get rid. |
Altan Kargaci
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... Would have to say I would be happy if we only signed Diara and Hangerland all summer , two absolute quality players . If we do sign Hangerland and Carew has something to do with it not only will he become even more of a legend but it will mean he himself is going knowhere . Please , please may both rumours be true ....  UTV |
Robbie Wells
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... They've still got Gago, who is a defensive midfielder and a damn good one at that. Still, i can't see Diarra coming in the slightest. Wages...Fee...the fact we're not a top top team. Nope. |
Ronan Kenny
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... Robbie The jury is still out on Gago, from what i remember he was fairly poor against Liverpool. |
Robbie Wells
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... Gago has always looked good whenever i've seen him. And to be fair, that Liverpool game was hardly a good game for anyone in white. Altan...i'd love something to be true as well, but is there any dange of a link that works? |
Platypus
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... If people are seriously believing we're 'linked' (whatever the feck that means) with Diarra, then no wonder all these sensitive types are getting all stressed out. I've never know so many people to believe everything they read in a paper or on a website. "Missed out again!" or have we? Any proof we even looked twice at any of these players. These people aren't even gullibulls - they're gullicalfs. |
TrueVillan
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... ak27 TrueVillan why didnt it make sense to MON 18months ago when Diarra was in his office available at £5m? for the same reason we did not pay 2.5 million for luke young around the same time, then went back 1 year later and paid 6mil!! as is said, it makes MON sense! |
Robbie Wells
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... Sorry, bad timing, the link works now. Surely if that's true, the MON haters will have another thing to point to to indicate his ineptitude. £3mil one year when people on this site were even saying how good he was, and now £9mil. It makes you wonder. |
Altan Kargaci
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... Have you read all the comments on the Hangerland link , there all from Arsenal fans !!??!!  |
Robbie Wells
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... Good point TrueVillan, that makes that story a load of bollocks i think. I can see him staying at Fulham for another season, unless he went to Chelsea or something, what with them losing Carvalho. |
Damian
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... Badger I´m not talking about last season, I´m talking about since Lerner has had the club. Our net spend on players is just over £50mn. - think about it that way rather than one summer, because it isn´t just about one summer it is about three to five years, hence me shouting for money to be spent now and for next summer. |
Platypus
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... We didn't sign him because we agreed a fee and then his demands were ridiculous and he was not even remotely interested in playing for us. How long did he stay at Portsmouth? Oh yeah. I remember Diarra signing for Portsmouth and saying something like "Yeah, it's great to be here until a big club comes and offers me a contract". If that's the sort of player you guys want then you're bigger berks than I thought. |
Ben
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... Looks like another player is slipping through the net? Everton have been given permission to speak to Naughton from Sheff Utd as offer accepted - Why on earth have we not matched it and driving up to meet him now beofore he meets Everton on Monday. It seems to me MON really is making little effort in getting numbers in. He must realise that there are very few good players in the lower leagues left so you get in there before others do. I say this as MON won't go abroad and get players (proves the fact we don't have a scouting system)so it will only leave players from the SPL - Not looking forward to next season! MON pull your finger out |
TrueVillan
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... ben read my comment above, naughton is in malta with his club on pre season warm up, we still have time! |
confusedvillafan
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... how the f*ck does anybody know that mon was interested in signing naughton in the first place ffs, should he sign him to appease the moaners on here.the papers have linked us with whoever they like and suddenly these are the players we should sign or we`re missing out.im sure mon has his targets and im sure he aint phoning the daily rags to let them know who. |
Robbie Wells
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... Remember when we all got excited cos Naughton's facebook said he was gonna chat with a club in Brum...well, that could well have been us. Which means, if both parties were interested in the move, then it would have happened before now. Also, what does the fact that he's in Malta now with his current club have to do with him not signing soon. An agent can be doing his business, and i'm not entirely sure that he's going to be that committed to training until Monday with Sheff U if he's leaving them. |
Steve Badger
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... Damian, I've got one here that says £66.25 mill; http://astonvillacentral.com/2...fer-spend/ Now, I know all about the £30mill each year (which only started last year IIRC), but either way, I still wouldn't say he's not giving him the money. I'd agree that it's not the 100's of millions we wanted, but it's not bad. |
B.Robinson
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... Sorry about the delay guys. The Diarra article is a strange one because when I worked for that site it was (and presumably still is) a site aimed at college students with celeb gossip, dirty videos etc. That said, it did have an impressive network of insiders in the celeb circles, but I wouldn't know where to begin thinking where they got this. I mailed my old boss and pleaded for more info. His response is on VillaTalk ITK thread if you want to read it. Basically he's giving me naf all. |
Ben
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... What I'm trying to say is that Naughton must fit into the Villa mould - Young, English, Fast & not from a top team. And more importantly his position is one we need help in. But maybe MON has better plans. Not sure what they maybe as I'm not aware of that many good players left in the SPL. As we don't seem to want to buy from abroad or from any of the so called big clubs as we can't afford those kind of players i can only see players coming in from Scotland, Championship or below or the youth system. |
Steve Badger
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...You know I can't reveal the source (about the Diarra link), but suffice to say you probably would have worked with him before. Quite cryptic really. Diarra eh? Always struck me as an arrogant bastard. We'll see I suppose. |
Steve
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... I guess if Real M get Alonso then they would flog Diarra which would be an incredible signing for us, but could see Man City or Spuds trying to nip in |
ak_27
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... Badger i agree he comes accross as arrogant but i kinda like that in him. One thing that gets to me is players who go to clubs where they know they will not get a game and would be happy to sit on the bench for their whole contract as long as they were getting paid. Those type of footballers don't deserve their talent. What i like about Diarra is that he went to Chelsea and coundn't get on, left quickly, went to Arsenal and the same(even though Wenger did not want it to happen). At least he has the ambition and drive to be a real footballer. Yes what he said when he went to Pompy wasn't the smartest but in order for him to get his dream move he would have to put the performances in which he did. Pompy made i think 18m profit in under a year. Not bad. I guess where im going with this yes he is arrogant but at least he backs it up and has real drive to be a class footballer. Just what we need and is the transfer that still gets me wound up with MON when he didn't go for him 18months ago. That one and not making a go for Distin on a free. But somehow i don't believe it will happen. If he is available i can Wenger come back in for in. |
doc3d
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... The reason we havnt signed bentley yet is because spuds have no money til they sell so do we really want to give 1 of our main competition for signings money yet to go out and beat us to tuncay or delph or even jc??? |
Villa4life
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... yeah...... breaking news...... whilst you were swimming we have signed a Spanish player..... Goes by the name of Noah Juan!.......lol |
Steve Badger
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... AK. I guess where im going with this yes he is arrogant but at least he backs it up and has real drive to be a class footballer. Just what we need and is the transfer that still gets me wound up with MON when he didn't go for him 18months ago. That one and not making a go for Distin on a free. But somehow i don't believe it will happen. If he is available i can Wenger come back in for in. I think you've summed it up mate. Can you think of any player who's gobbed off that MON has signed? I don't see it happening. MON plays it safe. He likes to be in charge without question. I bet NRC is doing his fruit at not playing, but he's kept his trap shut. I could see that as a justified criticism too, because if he can't handle the arrogant sort of players, he will never move us on, imo. |
TrueVillan
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... well, friday nearly over, really thought we might sign someone today! back to reading every website and hoping MON has his mobile switched on! |
Damian
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... Badger I´m not going to start questioning other sites but there are loads out there you can go visit to get the stats ... The net spend however since Lerner came in is just over £50mn. - I´ve checked on three now and they all say the same. However, that does include the £12mn. we got for Barry. However, lets take that away and call it £65mn. over three seasons. It still isn´t enough and as a proportion of turnover is pretty much exactly what Ellis used to spend, although this is just what someone said to me and I´m not sure of this although it does make sense to me. But on Ellis - we spent over £20mn in 2001/02, just as one example and I know there are others when we didn´t spend anything but my point is, nearly 10 years ago we had a higher net spend in one season that we did under Lerner in his second. To get into the Champions League, or stand a very good chance, we need a net spend of £50mn. this summer and the same next summer and the same the summer after. But after all that, we´ll have a better squad, improved chances of success and I´d like to think a genuine chance of winning the league. Lets put it this way though (not including the Barry transfer); £20mn. a season - is it good enough? |
god
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... As much as I love MON, I'm finding it really hard at the moment to feel the love. Please, please and please! Sign someone. |
Steve Badger
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...To get into the Champions League, or stand a very good chance, we need a net spend of £50mn. this summer and the same next summer and the same the summer after. I don't see that happening mate Lets put it this way though (not including the Barry transfer); £20mn. a season - is it good enough? Whilst I think it might have been when Mr Lerner took over, no it's not going to be now that Citeh have got involved. BUT, keeping my positive head on, I can see things changing. I've asked about the 6+5 rule. No-one seems to know for sure, but I've got it in my head , that it's going to happen (from what my dickey memory and what I've read tell me). If so, we're in prime position. Or, some clubs are going to go tits up. The way it's going simply cannot be sustained. It doesn't need an economist to see this and it's very similar to what's happened to the world economy. My take is that it's why Real are asking for a super league. They know it can't carry on and need to take revenues to another level. Fortunately Platini and Blatter can see this and WILL win out. Again we're in prime position, with being reasonably solvent. You can call me blind, but I call it being pretty happy and confident we'll be ok in the future |
gareth
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... mon has only come through in 1 transfer window every other overall has been a boo boo after last jan window i have just given up on mon in the transfer market. he has never had money to spend in previous jobs an hasnt a clue what to do hence the summer when he blew 50 mil how many mon signings have had a sustained inpact apart from carew an young it took petrov the best part of 2 seasons to sort it out an maybe you would throw l.young into that mix the rest have been a loud of shit if i was randy id tighten the purse strings frustrate mon an watch him walk get a manager with knoledge of the transfer market i think a european chap could be what we need gotta speak english though we dont want a ramos my choice would be roberto macini won loads of serie a titles good standing in the game an players outside of britain would know who he is mon just doesnt have a rep outside the prem oh an scotland times have changed football has changed mon needs to addapt soon as time is runnin out i feel he is stuck in his ways an that this will cause his downfall hope he proves me wrong as i was sure we would do great things under him |
ak_27
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... Badger i think that MON and Brian Clough are very similar to each other. I seen the doc on Clough a few months ago on CH4 and you can see how influenced MON has been by the man. |
pjmavfc
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... mon has offered young fonz on load to leeds for a season in order to capture delph. |
VillaDude
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... Just read Sky Sports transfer page.... "20.30 Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill is hopeful of bringing in new recruits during the next fortnight." Great! - MON is hopeful |
AV79
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... mon needs to wake up siliy prat. what is the muppet doing. HOPEFULL ????????????????????????????????. what is he on about we have lost three players 2 that were key we need at least 5 good good players in. mon sort you self out or walk away if you cant handle it. |
Halfwit
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... Yes i back Randy Lerner all the way he is not the problem never has been the problem lies with O Snail The only thing that has changed with him is he dont say we are trying to bring players to the club NO he has changed that too we are hopeing Hopeing im sorry is not no where near good enough i want to here the words we WILL sign players keeps your maybes and hopes cause they mean nothing you flammin snail |
AV79
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... Spot on halfwit.Also what sodding gets on my wick is that he never puts us at ease regarding our players leaving like jc and ash.the bloke is a stubborn twat.im so bored of this sh#t i want the good times and the excitment like lat season looking forward to a game thinking we can beat anybody.Trouble is im not feeling it, Im feeling mid table shat. with mon twitching on the touch line making a sub 5 mins 2 go when we are 2 0 down to fulham. |
AV79
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... HOW ABOUT A VOTE ON HERE AS TO WHO THINKS MON IST UO TO IT ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
Halfwit
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... Hand on heart i want O Snail to stay But if come next year we still have the smallest team in the premership then im sorry its time to move on and let someone else have a crack at it 3 Years on our squad is still the smallest in the prem and probably england if thats not a sign that you are struggling the bring in players then i dont no what is Either get on with and stop worrying about spending money or move on |
AV79
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... No mate it aint for realy i wish it was but no its far to early of o snail to sign a player another 3 weeks and we might sign a hasbeen. or and overated england under 21 squad player probably after we have sold carew to spurs cus mon is scared of saggy harry |
VillaDude
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... bfastvilla - its been explained on here a few times. The official Villa website is a Premium TV site, just like bham shitty, leeds, newcastle etc. They all use the same player database, you can map any player to the villa site. Including some retired players, such as Robbie Savage, and ex villa player Julian Joachim. Nothing to get excited about |
Platypus
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... We finish in Europe again after a previous DECADE of mediocrity and you're talking about geting rid of the manager? You're p***ks. |
Steve Badger
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... Platypus, Spot on. Gareth, I'd guess you're not much over 20. Now, Now, Now is all your generation understand. Piss off and let the adults discuss stuff, imo. Whatever, I don't really care. If you think we haven't improved since RL/MON came in, you know nothing about football, simple. Damian, this isn't finished yet mate, I'll pick you up again further down the line |
Halfwit
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... Platypus Yes he got us to europe as could a lot of other managers Problem is martin is stuggling in the transfer market 3 years of the smallest team in the premership is more than proof...And he is too proud to admit he needs help replacing fitzgerald would be a good start |
SlimJimVilla
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... Halfwit...your name is the only thing right in that statement. Yes we have a small squad, but a good one and a consistency level that high spending clubs like Tottenham, Man City, Newcastle and Middlesborough can only dream of. Is your glass half empty or just full of shit? We are still in the transfer window and God help us if any would be players log on and see you lot whinging before we've even named the f**king squad. You make Newcastle fans look patient. |
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