Written by Damian Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:50
Just a quick post to tell you the score as I was expected for dinner ten minutes ago and I have missed two calls, both probably from the wife.
Basically, a point is a point. We needed three but we were basically not good enough. If we were good enough, we would have won today. We didn´t, so we are not.
Now, it would be easy to write about a specific reason why we didn´t win today but if I did, I´d get shot down and there isn´t actually any proof I can put in front of a judge as to why we didn´t win today.
I could write that Stoke wanted it more or that we didn´t look like we were at 100% or I could even write that maybe, Stoke defended for ninety minutes, but none of that would be true.
There is some truth to what I have written and that is that I have nothing to put in front of a judge to say ´this is why we couldn´t beat Stoke´.
I am sure some will have opinions but for me, just for the moment, I am going to bite my tongue. Tomorrow, when I do the post-mortem and I am hung over, it might and probably will be a little different, but not at the moment.
So for now, I have to shower and get out of the house. Let me know what you think below, but I will end on this; we have a semi final at Wembley coming up.
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Cian Donaghy
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... that was truly awful. i feel sorry for any villa fans who travelled. lifeless performance. we need a striker, a midfielder with some flair, and a change of tactics. i feel the best we can hope for is a striker in the summer |
James
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... Stoke didn't want it enough or they would have won? Only saw the 2nd half. Thought it was good viewing. Our defence were outstanding. |
VillaDude
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... Another bore-draw... We may be immense at the back, but we have no threat in open play - we pass along the midfield with ease but the opposition know, once they have 11 men behind the ball we are no threat... |
steven haynes
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... surely we have a player on the bench that can produce more tha downing?errr maybe not |
Paul Theiss
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... "If we were good enough, we would have won today. We didn´t, so we are not." Barbershop commentary that. If only it were that simple, Damo. If we're being honest, we expected draw. Few teams beat Stoke there. Our defense is fantastic. |
david c english
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... a point to keep us where we are, and i think pretty much where we will remain, if the shit don't catch us up |
fastbackace
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... well... i think i can honestly say that mon's job today, i could have done. he made one sub... and the wrong sub at that. but defense was amazing. best in league. and were turning last years losses into draws, and draws into wins. i donno. im just angry. |
robb david
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... NO. a point isnt good enough, not if we actually think we can be a top4 side. How is HEsky getting in our team, he is absolute f**king crap. Their isnt a single forward in the league i would take him over. He is lazy, slow, weak. He cant head, he cant pass, he cant shoot, he has poor control, he doesnt hold the ball up, he has ability to never be in the right place at the right time. He hasnt got a single redeaming feature. Another point why did it take o-neill 75 mins to change it, when it is clear to everyone in the stadium that we are posing no threat at all. Why then does he take off a goal threat, and leave possibly the worst player in the league on the pitch? I would say that as of today we are out of the race for fourth. Even if we win our games in hand, which is doubtfull, then we will still be behind spurs, who wont drop that many points. Add that into the chelsea and man city games which at best we will get two points from, we are in pretty poor shape in the league. In fact our closest rivals are pretty much know the clowns and everton, opposed to liverpool, city, and spurs. piss poor performance today, agaisnt a shit team. We offered nothing going forward, and showed everyone why no one outside the club gives us a chance of finishing forth. |
scott harwood
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... i actually said a 2-2 draw but im not happy with a point to be honest.our final ball in the final 3rd was the worst its been all season and to many players looked they were strolling round.must win now next game. |
Paul Theiss
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... ronrabbt: Stoke are a shit team? Tell that to Man City, who were more than fortunate to get a point despite being up a man. Spurs will drop plenty of points on the way in, including next week at Stoke. |
VillaDude
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... We are too predictable, We hardly threatened, only set pieces... Any team that do their homework can work us out... RIP Heskey and Carew partnership... |
Paul Theiss
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... By the way, no one should ever be "happy" with a point. I want to win every game and am upset when we don't. But to suggest that it was a really poor result or that Stoke are shit is rather wide of the mark. |
Villatx
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... Very very boring game...knew it wouldn't be easy buy if we want that top 4 surely these are games we need to figure out how to win |
VillaDude
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... I think we need to look at other plays who are also not performing... - We are not getting James Milner on the ball enough... - Our wingers final ball is shocking, Downing needs to grows some balls and fight for the team - Cuellar is a rock in defence, but poor guy looks lost when he moves up-field - Heskey AND Carew were poor today - why doesn't MON have faith in FONZ!?! |
robb david
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... stoke are shite, their tactics are launch the ball up the pitch and hope for a throw in. They offered nothing today also. They have a team of players that cant pass the ball along the ground. Spurs will beat them next week, they have quality forwards that will easily create chances and score goals against a very average defence. |
david c english
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... we are where we are meant to be.....7th, i can't see us going any higher as even the 'pool in their shit state are still capable of going on a winning streak, and spurs seem to have a tougher spine than recent seasons, and citeh i think are a shoe-in for the 4th spot, i'm looking behind us rather than ahead to be honest, if we had a merse and a yorke, different ballgame, but we don't and so it isn't, but we still have wembley |
Simeon
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... ronrabbit, in fairness to Heskey, Sidwell is worse. The advantage Sidwell has over Heskey is that he doesn't play as much. But both are unquestionably awful. A point at Stoke has to be a point gained. We're not a top 4 side, and as such, against a tough opponent like Stoke, a draw is a positive result. I am of course speaking relatively. In absolute terms, Stoke are a very poor side. Personally, I couldn't care less if Stoke are poor, because I'm a Villa fan. What is important to me is how good we are, and the answer is that we're not good enough to beat a very poor side. |
fastbackace
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... im with ron rabbit on this one. mon stop having ur favorite players dick in your mouth. |
david c english
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... i guess i am just trying to say, be realistic with your expectations from this team (as for management, money spent on this team, and tatics that's a whole other thing) |
michael060670
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... really disappointing result. the team can get up for the big teams in the lge but falter/ bottle it against the lesser lights. it's typical of this team, no heart for the fight. they knew what they had to do which was grind out a result any way they could but again they just can't do it. it proves that we're not good enough just yet. the problem is that this is probably the best chance we're gonna have to break into the top4, this season will be our easiest chance to do it. liverpool won't be as bad next season and spurs and city will more than likely outspend us in the transfer market. i'm just so disheartened by this result although i should be immune to these f**k ups by now. i guess it's a lesson for those of us villa fans who expect to much to soon. thanks for the updates on twitter 2day Damian....   |
VillaDude
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... Our next opponents play a very different game, they like to pass the ball around and will be a totally different test for us....let's see if that suits us more? |
Cian Donaghy
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... to be honest, as awful as heskey was, would have taken off carew id say carew will be on the bench next week, i think mon was sending him a message you cant just turn up every now and when it suits you. you can come on and score 2 penalties, or a hatrick against a struggling championship side, but you have to do it most weeks. im not a heskey fan, but he has largely been good in 2010. i will point out, despite an excellent richard dunne display, stoke hand half a dozen half chances, we could easily have let in a couple. young or beye in i say... |
Simeon
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... Accurate analysis deansaunderspermthatsperm. I'd be surprised (though not shocked) if we were overhauled by either Everton or Bloose. I think I'm right in thinking that 7th isn't good enough for a European place this season, so Everton don't have much to play for, because they aren't going to finish 6th. Villain-from-Texas, that Man City struggled against Stoke doesn't mean that Stoke aren't terrible, because Man City are pretty poor themselves. They will probably finish 4th in the strongest league in the world, but that doesn't make them a good side. |
.vogra
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... How very predictable, but happy with a point at Stoke. Forget about forth, that was never going to happen. |
Michael panizza
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... You've gotta love that long ball game. You can tell there are 4 years of careful planning behind this squad, totally. |
Cian Donaghy
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... i really think we need 4 strong signings in the summer (allowing for the departure of a few) - a holding midfielder (petrov is good but tiring, and id imagine reo is off) - a flair midfielder (milner is my main man but wew could do with a "hole" player in the squad, either someone world class, or someone would wont mind not starting every single game - tuncay would have worked!) - a winger ( i am completely unconvinced by stuart downing, and i dont feel albrighton is necessarily ready) - a striker (this is a must. we cant kick snow off a rope at the moment) |
Sasa
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... Forget about CL under MON, I realised that about 2 years ago. However his man management skills (ie shouting at people at half time when we've been shit) is great for the cups. Not really bothered about top 4/Europe as we don't have the killer skills needed in the last 3rd to progress far. We've had some exciting cup games this year and the odd league game at home which has justified the entrance fee. My first preference is to see us knock it about a bit, ie just enjoy watching my local team play footie, however under hoofing MON that aint gonna happen, so the next best thing under this bloke is silverware utilisng his 3rd division footballing style. I'm 27 and based on family history will probably be dead by 65. In my remaining time, I'll take 1 FA Cup right now if that were on offer. All you older guys, you've seen us win a Euro Cup, and for anyone alive in 1957 an FA Cup too. You are lucky bastards. |
robb david
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... celtic villa -->im not a heskey fan, but he has largely been good in 2010 Have you been watching aston villa this year? Hesky has been shite this year, the same as he has been since he arived from wigan. If their is a forward in the league that offers less than hesky then i seriosly dont know who it is. |
VillaDude
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... I can't see a stiker coming to us unless Carew or Heskey leaves this summer - and we all know MON and Heskey have a special relationship... |
robb david
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... celtic villa -->- a winger ( i am completely unconvinced by stuart downing, and i dont feel albrighton is necessarily ready) I agree downing has shown us all that we were absolutly correct in questioning how he gets in the england squad in front of an in form ashley young. everytime he crosses the ball it goes to the first man. Not even to the first mans head, usually his knee. although if we are being fair probably is more chance of getting an own goal than hesky heading it in. |
VillaDude
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... Worst thing about Downing is that he bottles out of 50/50's, gets scared of a tackle and doesn't take on the full back enough.... |
oscars arse
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... Same shit different day. Better get ourselves together and work out a plan or our next wembley appearance will be embarassing. We will win nothing with this team time to rip it up and start over. |
smiffy
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... i dont really think a point at stoke is a bad result as some seem to think, as nowadays it is well known that its a tough place to get anything, as for someone mentioning spuds run in have you actually seen there games, they have arsenal, chelsea and man utd on the bounce, they will drop plenty of points along the way, so i think we are still in with a good shout for fourth |
AVFC 4 LIFE UTV
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... i agree with downing he dosent take on the full back if the full back is backing away, but if the full back is closing him down he will take him on. I have been largley dissapointed by downing as he was our barry replacement and there is no question which one i would prefer. tottenham wont get top four because of there games next month, playing three teams that all need to win to win the league, i think we have to start carew but this isn't going to happen because carew didnt score so MON will start will Heskey on Tuesday at wigan, a ground he knows well. Lets look ahead to tuesday as im sure on wednesday morning we will be writing about a villa win which will make this draw seem good. |
VillaDude
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... Just watchin Arsneal tear Hull apart with their passing - such great football but done with so much ease... All about the movement, our midfield, wingers, and strikers are too static - Gabby and Milner are the only ones with good movement... |
Simeon
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... Celtic_Villain, whilst I wouldn't disagree at the number of signings we need, and the positions that need strengthening, is what you suggest even remotely likely? A holding midfielder would do wonders for us, as (in theory at least), it would allow us to attack with greater freedom. Petrov is not strong defensively or physically, and because of this, the whole midfield has to defend first and attack second (which is absurd when our other midfielders are all attacking midfielders with very liit defensive talent between them). But can you see O'Neill either jettisoning Petrov or Milner (because we all know he likes to be consistent in his team selection), or switching to a 4-5-1 system? No. So I would be amazed if O'Neill is thinking about signing that midfield player we're crying out for. A flair midfielder would be lovely, but in modern football they can only be accomodated in a 4-5-1 system, or as a wide player - which tends to diminish their impact anyway. O'Neill is not thinking about signing such a player, and even if he were to sign one, then again, either Petrov, Milner, or more likely Downing, would have to be sacrificed - and again, this just isn't feasible. A quality winger is an unnecessary, unwarranted luxury; we already have Ashley Young who, despite his substandard form of the last year, still has the talent. It is very difficult to accomodate two such players in a team - unless you're playing 4-5-1, which ain't gonna happen. But I agree with you about Downing. He is utterly mediocre, and just another example of O'Neill paying through the nose for domestic 'talent'. A striker is the most realistic target of the four, and surely inevitable given that Carew is seemingly Heskey's backup. But O'Neill rates Agbonlahor highly (and rightly so), and so any striker we buy is likely to play second fiddle to Agbonlahor anyway (given that breaking the bank for a foreign striker is inconceivable under O'Neill). If I had to guess who O'Neill was targetting, I'd be choosing between Carlton Cole, Crouch and Jones at Sunderland. All three would of course be an improvement on Heskey, but then so is Carew, and he's not seeing much action. And given that we've got a talented lad called Nathan Delfouneso, who has been criminally overlooked all season, you could quite easily make an argument for us not signing a striker at all. There will, of course, be signings in the summer. They will be typically uninspired, and the incoming players will either sit on the bench themselves, or we will see multi-million pound signings (eg. Downing) themselves pushed onto the bench. But the way we play will be the same, and the results will be much the same. We'll be spending lots of money purely to stand still under O'Neill. That is the future, and it doesn't take a genius to see it. |
Michael panizza
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... I like MON. I really do. But.... - he has no knowledge of foreign players or leagues - he's allergic to flair players - uses too much the long ball (yes you do Martin, don't stamp your feet) - is forever messing with players' positions (Cuellar's NOT a right back, we have a more attacking option on the bench in Luke Young should we need it, which brings me to the next problem) - he's utterly oblivious to the value of substitutions, if only to give a player a breather when the game's won or to motivate players not getting much action - he's had 4 years and a chunky transfer kitty (how much has Wenger had in comparison? It'd be interesting to compare) and we're nowhere near the likes of Man U and Arsenal (yes I know we won at Old Trafford for the 1st time in 45 years a few months ago but abandon denial and accept they had no defence) I like MON but... |
brendan armstrong
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... We cant afford to have a player like Heskey in our team, unless we have a twenty goal a season striker for him to play alongside. We rely heavily on two strikers gettig about 11-12 goals each which gabby and carew have been doing for the past couple of seasons. Correct me if im wrong but i beleive Heskey has 3 league goals this season (two against Burnley) which is piss poor for any premier league striker, let alone for a team which has aspirations of finishing in a champions league spot. Why cant MON see this, where does he think our goals are going to come from? Lets face it, our midfielders are hardly chipping in with many and we seem to have lost the ability to score from corners and set pieces. With nobody else scoring there will be too much presure on gabby from now until the end of the season and i think he'll probably just fade away, pretty much as he did last season. However the next three games are winable and i expect gabby to start against wigan, but we all know that he'll be replacing the wrong player, we need goals Martin!!!! I love March  UTV |
VillaDude
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... People say Heskey creates goal etc, but I cant remember exactly when he has done this once this season? (Bullard hits a great penalty) |
d jarvis
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... i.m afraid mr oneil has taken us has far has he can the club is to big for him. he wont buy any players that are bigger than him he seems to want all the lime light just look at the team selection and subs john carew is a fans favorite bigger than mr oneil thats why heskey is preferred in front of him time to go and let us move forward |
Simeon
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... Monkeywrench, even with the rather modest list of charges you have come up with, I'm not quite sure how you can say you like O'Neill. Purely and simply, he is mismanaging the club you love, holding the Villa back, presiding over one massive missed opportunity. And we play crap football! And yet you still like him... Just because he is a clown and a buffoon and he makes you laugh doesn't mean that you have an obligation to like him! |
VillaDude
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... What the hell is MON on about in his post match interview? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8558654.stm |
AVFC 4 LIFE UTV
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... stop with the o'neill hating on here, so what you are all saying is give liverpool o'neill! the same people that write about o'neill lack of tactics etc. will be the first to slag him off if he ever joined the pool. I can see flaws with o'neill like his love of emile and his lack of quality in the transfer market, listening to the arsenal gae and ESPN said that they signed vermalen for 10 mil thats 2 million less than downing. I actually hope however much i like cuellar as a CB! that we play a team and he gets destroyed and heskey misses 3 open goals but we still win this will realise who his best team is. i stil think o'neill is doing a good job and we have improved on last season and anyone that cannot see that dosent know a lot about football because, man city and spurs have come into the mix |
villaturk
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... A decent point lads,we didnt do enough to win it,simple as that. Ther aint much wrong ,i just think we need a top class finisher and i still think the centre of midfield isnt balanced enough. A Defoe or Michael Owen would of read Dunnes header in the second half and gobbled the chance up,thats were games are won and lost.The wide men do deliver 5 or 6 real telling crosses every game that a poacher would thrive on. As for the midfield,it wont happen cus the boss loves Stan Petrov,but id like to see either Coker or Delph play alongside Jimmy Milner to give us abit more bite there. Keep the faith |
d jarvis
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... time to move on mr oneil the club is to big for him he wont buy any big names has it will take the attention off him team selection tells it all aint got the bottle to rotate the squad plays a centre half at right back scared to drop ashley young petrof can only pass backwards downing wast of space top 6 if were lucky thinks he.s mr brian clough sorry but he will never be aint good enough |
VillaDude
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... MON showed you today, his preferred strike force is gabby and heskey... No matter how BAD Heskey may play, he will be in the first team time and time again - it's the same with Cuellar playing at right back.. MON is a very stubborn manager, once he has his favourites, very little will change it... |
Michael panizza
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... Simeon - I don't think MON is a clown and he doesn't make me laugh. I respect the man, rate him up to a point (i.e. he's not Ferguson or Wenger - or Capello for that matter but remains a very good manager nonetheless) but feel that he's not enough for the Villa anymore. That said, barking insults at O'Neill is not gonna help us get anywhere this season so for the moment let's keep the lid on it for the good of the club, hope that helps you to understand better what I meant. |
VillaNick
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... I saw a draw coming a mile off. Last season, and a fair few seasons before, we would (and did) have lost at Stoke. I think it's a good result, but 3 point at Wigan is a must! |
Sasa
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... I think d jarvis is spot on. I'm not a MON hater, but I realise he's not as good as he thinks he is. People say no player is bigger than the club but I feel MON thinks he's bigger than Villa. He still holds a grudge against the fans for booing against Wigan, well Mr O'Neill how about you actually go and win something of note (even if it's not at Villa) before thinking you're the dog's b/Cloughie. |
AVFC 4 LIFE UTV
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... d jarvis what are you on about- o'neill is too big for villa but he is good for liverpool we are not bigger than liverpool so stop saying villa are to big for him! You are one of the annoying fans that if we win on tuesday night you will still moan! Everton had an absolute shocker to the start of the season but they stuck by moyes and look at them now! we have had one draw and we want our manager out. yes he makes some strange desicions but get behind him ffs you obviosly dont seem to remember the torrid times of DOL so mon has taken us to europe, name a manager that would want to come to villa after a draw to a mid table side and we want our manager out- NOBODY! |
Ammar
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... 100 million net spent and it was hard to tell the difference between us and Stoke. Truely awful performance and seriously any Villa fans who thought that was good enough you must have seen some dire peformances in the past or very easily pleased. As expected same 11 as last week. No flair , No Vision, No Creativity, No Goal Threat , No Tactics but at least we have a solid defence. Stoke are not a top 6 side i would go as far to say not even a top 10 side so why should we pleased with a point ? 4th don't make me laugh as i have said earlier very unlikely we are going to get 4th or any were near it. Easy to go over the same scenario's of what players are picked but our mentality was as much to blame today. It almost looked like we had come to the game to play for a draw which to me is criminal. Examples : . We picked Cueller because of his defensive abilities in the air . We picked Heskey and Carew due to there defensive abilities in the air. . We picked Petrov for his heading ability. erm maybe not actually not sure why he was picked. Not suprised that through most of the game the ball was in the air. We were like a Bolton or Stoke and at one point trying to match Stoke on who had the best thrower in the team Cueller or Delap. Latest rumours were Liverpool maybe interested in taking MON. Now if thats true you never know there may be some light at the end of the tunnel as the football has been shocking for well over a year now. We can only hope. |
VillaDude
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... Everyone wants 4th place, but when we play like today, a champions league campaign would be embarassing - we may even struggle to qualify into the group stages.. |
kieron
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... I wish you would all get off your high horse! How many teams have won away at the Brit this year? Im pretty sure its only 3. Man u, Chelsea and a lucky win for the scum. We have taken 4 points from stoke this season and in my book that is pretty good going. I went to the match today and it was a tough game, not a shit game but tough. We had to battle, and we stood up to them. Much more than what we did last season. Let me tell you now, that is a good result today. Wigan and wolves will be a breeze compared to that. |
Damian
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... AVFC 4 LIFE UTV show me a football fan from Liverpool that wants MON at anfield and I'll show you an evertonian No sane Liverpool fan wants MON |
kieron
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... mon 4-5-1 you want shooting mate for what you've just said. How dare you call yorself mon with that outburst. Wembley twice in one season, oh yeah MON must be a shit manager. You make me sick! |
kieron
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... Damo, they would take MON every day of the week over that fat spanish waiter. And the way our fickle fans act thats exactly what will happen! |
Marcus Smith
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... I go to Keele, and had to get a bus back with stokies. I heard a lad at the back humming "Holtenders in the Sky", followed by "Villa fans are decent fans, aren't they?" I think that's the best thing to come out of today. |
Falmouh Villan
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... Have to agree with monkeywrench (and most of you other guys)it is not enough to get a 0-0 even away to a team like stoke, not when you want to finish 4th.Just cannot see MON changing anything, everybody can see that young should be in at RB,downing and heskey bring nothing to the party, and we are desparate for a quality striker so why cant he? Hate to say it but maybe(and its a big maybe)MON HAS taken us as far as he can! As someone said earlier we wont do any good in europe anyway we are in a different league to the champs league teams! How about bringing in Jose Mourinho(great doc u last night) |
Andi
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... fickle fickle fickle same old same old change the record !!! Semi FA Cup League Final remind me again where one of the "big four" are now, Liverpool. FA cup out League cup out 4th forget it Europa 1-0 to lille All you lot moaning about MON get a grip, 0-0 against a team who where always going to park a bus in front of their goal. All is not over. We win your hanging out his arse, we lose you want him out is it any wonder we dont fill the ground with fickle, narrow minded, blinkered naive fans that want it all and want it now. |
Andi
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...100 million net spent and it was hard to tell the difference between us and Stoke. Truely awful performance and seriously any Villa fans who thought that was good enough you must have seen some dire peformances in the past or very easily pleased. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ......................... BLAH |
Rod Bentley
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... Last season Stoke 4pts Villa 1pt This season Stoke 1pt Villa 4pts Am I the only one who sees this as an improvement? |
Sasa
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... Liverpool want Benitez out and he's taken them to 2 CL finals winning 1 of them, has won FA Cup and Super Cup. The thieiving Scousers would crucify MON if he didn't win a trophy within 2 years max. |
Mike Carter
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... Jesus Christ we drew with Stoke. Big f**king deal. Moan if you want about the football being poor for a long period of time, you might have a point there, but to throw such a big wobbly because we took drew a game is absolutely moronic. |
Damian
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... Headologist You might be but a big thing of late has been our 'easy' run in A few weeks ago this was an away win for many I have a great photo of you by the way from domain. I will email you it later |
Andi
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... It should have been an away win but however it didnt turn out that wat does that mean the season is over does it mean we should give up NO it means we have to take 3 points of Chelski instead !!!  |
Damian
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... ronvilla I like you probably, know plenty of Liverpool fans. I have spoken to a few the last few days about O'Neill and none of them want his style of football at anfield |
AV4EVER
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... Villa aren't that great, I've been telling you this for weeks. To be honest I thought we would lose this one, so a points a good one. We haven't the imagination to break down teams like Stoke, not many teams do, add to the fact it's kind of a midlands derby. We are never going to play football like Arsenal, simply because MON teams don't play that type of football, if you want that type of footie go and support Arsenal or Man Utd. As for Heskey, get off the fellas back, we all know he doesn't bag enough goals and I'm sure MON knew this when he signed him, but I can guarentee you that if he was put up for sale there would be a fair few teams in for him and that we would get the same or a better price that what we paid for him, he's a England regular and many strikers including Rooney like playing along side him. The defence kept us in the game today like so many other games this season, perhaps this has a knock on effect with the rest of the team, because they know they can rely on the defence so much. If I knew my defenders were the best in the premiership, it would give me more confidence to push on in other areas of the pitch. If and when your team were in front, then defend, but not until then. I know we are all about hitting teams on the break and defending as a team, but alot of the time this looks so negative, I'm just amazed that we had 60% of the game today and only had three shots on target. Still no wins for Martin in the league in the month of March. |
Sasa
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... Headologist Last season played 27, 52 points This season played 27, 46 points. If you're going to use stats for a bit of spin at least be fair. As for your comment about Liverpool, any Villa fan would give their left nut to have seen us win an FA Cup this decade let alone a CL trophy. |
Ammar
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... In the last couple of years we have stagnated and to be honest our football has been dire at times on the verge of embarrassing. Surely today was not just about the point but at any one period in the game we did not look like a cohesive unit. Yes I was a supporter in his initial reign but there comes a time when you see the same elementary mistakes being made topped with the fact our performances have been dire that you just say no more. Chiefy you have already said to you don’t care about the football it's all about the result so yes you’ll probably not agree with the above. ronvilla As far as it goes for Liverpool fans wanting him. MON if I am correct MON is on a rolling contract so if they really wanted him they could quite easily come and get him and I doubt very much they will. If he is so hot then why did he get over looked for the England job when the whole country knew he was interested? Even our chairman said he would not stand in his way. He is not flawless far from it and as the season is starting to unravel things will not get any better. Unless of course he makes a drastic change which I doubt he will as he comes across as very stubborn. i.e Sqaud Rotation does MON know something that 21 other premiership managers don't ? Bryan Robson also got Middlesbrough to 2 cup finals to what does that prove?. Did Ramos not win the LC with Spuds? Cup completions are as much about luck as about quality which is why the best teams do not always win them. On the other hand only the best teams win the premiership which is why you see the same group managers consistently winning the league. |
frem
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... firstly another game we dont win and people are saying oneill has to go. its crazy, just shut up. but it is another game where cullar shown he cant play right back. a point at the brit is a good result. we have 2 games in hand over spurs and pool so its not all bad. are next three game are 9 points |
frem
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... im goin to watch deportivo and watch that mexican winger weve been linked with. he has to be better than downing. |
John C
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... Stoke have lost one of their last ten premier league games. Some of you manic depressives should cheer up. Lets see where we are after the next two games. |
keith
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... i expected the win but i did post yesyerday i fancy our chances more against chelsea because they let you play, stoke dont, so credit them for that. |
James Clift
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... I was there today and yes I totally agree we're just not good enough. We lack a lock picker in midfield and a striker which is so obvious.. Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man C, Spurs, they all have a world class striker, We don't and until O'neill breaks the bank to get one we'll always be also rans. |
kieran
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... I only read this blog for the opinion of the more informed contributors such as Juan Pablo Angel, Badger, keef villa etc... Most of the time I don't even bother reading the blog posts because, well they are usually utter drivel. Usually drivel of the negative kind. Then you have the professional moaners that appear en masse at even the slightest opportunity on here.These parasites don't use logic but simply moan for the sake of moaning. Maybe their stupid, insane, bluenoses or like Taglor just like attention and getting a rise out of other people. So how predictable that we fail to get 3 points at Stoke and the lunatics take over the AVFC blog asylum  |
david
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... The facts are, that of the 19 games that Stoke have played at home in all competitions this season , they've won 10 and lost only 4. Damian's headline asked whether you'd have taken a point before the game. Whilst we'd all hoped for a win (of course)the headline hints at the fact that this is not a bad result......a win however would have been a very good result at the bearpit that is the Britannia stadium. Those that suggest that Stoke are really poor and that we should almost take a win against them for granted, demonstrate real footballing ignorance. |
david
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... mon 451 ...In the last couple of years we have stagnated Yes, you're right....yet another year of bloody trips to Wembley...yawn |
david
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... Before MoN, our average premier league position was between 8th and 9th. Sixth may feel like stagnation to some, but let's at least get it in perspective. Of course I'd love us to get 4th, but another 6th with at least two Wembley visits should be counted as a good season by any rational fan. |
Paul christo
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... MON has taken us as far as he can..Lets face it,he peaked last season as a manager when we were riding high 3rd in the league playing a 4-5-1..Since then we have been in decline...MON is tacticaly useless,he insistance of playing "lucky football" rather than use the players we have to actually play the game is pathetic...Ashley Young,Milner,Downing,Gabby and even Delfouneso now coming through are all too good a players to be playing "lucky fiootball"(or hoof it field and find the target man) |
frem
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... it is time oneill breaks the bank on a striker but he wont. we will just get a beattie, doyle or zamora in the summer. we wont get any better. even sunderland have a striker who is 1 or two goals away from twenty. |
Paul christo
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... There is nothing wrong with Gabby as our striker...You name a better striker in the Premiership at running onto balls that are played through the defence or over the top of the last defender? The space between the last defender and the goalkeeper is where Gabby wants the ball played and played early,yet how often do we see it? Wheres our speed gone in the attack? Wheres the speed of Gabby and Young charging forward gone? You all remember the 1st part of last season when we played that exciting stuff surely? Was it 71 goals scored last season? The 3rd highest in the league and the majority of which were scored in the early part of the season... We didnt lose steam it was the MON tinkering with the system to acommadate Heskey into the 1st team..The large target men are MON's way..Ita why he plays Cuellar over Luke Young because he is better in the air if we attack..Get the tall bodies into the box then hoof the ball and hope for the best its Utter crap! |
4ft
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... i hardly ever post just enjoy the read but come on this is stupid!!!! We have been in one cup final semi off the fa and despite off todays result a shout off 4th. What is everyones problem on here??? We earned a point at stoke for christ sake a few seasons ago we would off lost today! Yes we are 2 players short off being a top 4 team but we are having a good season reading this rubbish anyone would think we were in the bottom 3! |
Damian
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... r0bb0 you know my views, but if you are going to start throwing around averages like that, you know i am going to respond our average league position with o'neill is 7.6 at the moment - which if you were to round up is 8th. if we finish 6th this season it will then be 7.25 - which when you round it up (or down in this particular instance) it is 7th. and you will say - well that is better than our average - but then the stupid bloke in the corner is going to say that none of the managers before him had anything like the type of money o'neill has had i'm not saying sack o'neill. what i am saying is the owner has to give o'neill the money to make it happen he appointed o'neill and you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to know what o'neill was going to do. o'neill needs serious money - he is that type of manager. you wont get a better level of football under o'neill but what you will get is the players he has, if they are willing, running their legs of for him and sweating blood. there is a fine line in all things football and with managers, they are always on it, in terms or doing their and from a supporters point of view, but lets not try and dress up o'neill as anything he isn't - every man and his dog knows exactly how a martin o'neill team is going to line up and play football and just for the record; if we finish 7th this season - our average under o'neill will be 8th - so i guess a lot rides on us finishing higher than 6th, because if we do progress this season and finish 5th - our average under o'neill will be 7th! |
FatKevs
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... who is MON fooling but himself if he thinks we deserve CL football when our greatest ambition is to defend well against long throw ins If we nicked it we would havce to listen to fan telling us how great we are when it truth we aqre shit to watch. Yes the long train coach train journey home from reading lastweek did not matter as we secured a semi but shit like this against stoke is unaceptable Thinking about it how sad i have become coming back from wembley happpy we had sort of given it a go for a short while Football is about the dream of winning not drawing |
John Clark
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... Don't like draws when you'd hope for a win... From what I saw, Stoke looked well up for it, chased everything and everyone. We didn't seem particularly enthused, whether it was Stoke, the weather, or what I don't know. I do think we were a bit frustrated and out of sync, and I'd probably put that down to Stoke. So, yes, wanted a win, but not at all surprised with the draw and not terribly fussed about it. |
FatKevs
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... A agree Downing has no heart, he just goes through the motions to pick up the next pay cheque |
John Clark
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... Don't think it's a question of heart with Downing, at least not at the moment. I would think more to do with coming off the injury, still a bit timid. |
FatKevs
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... I would rest him every now & then we cannot afford to carry players. Give young MA a run now he is fit again at leat the kid wants it |
john franey
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... Carlos Cuellar Hard game today...good point away..Quote from his facebook page:  |
AVFC 4 LIFE UTV
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... FatKevs- u say that we dont deserve champions league, well ok then who does? tottenham who lost to wolves twice argubly worse than what we have done today. Liverpool who haven't been good at all this year for their high standards. Mn City who i recall lost to stoke and we drew to stoke. 4FT- finally your are one of the minority on here that dont want us to end up like newcastle, expect more and more, moan at the manager so much that is actually cripples the club? I am sometimes embarrased on here by people who dont see what o'neill has done, semi final of the fa cup? sack him runner up in the carling cup? sack him 6th in the best league in the world? sack him COME ON SUPPORT THE TEAM! LAST WEEK PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING THE BEST SEASON EVER. |
John R
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... I'm in the settle for a point camp. There are no easy games at this point of the season. Stoke is not an easy place to go. They turned us over last season at their place. Yes I would like a 20 goals a season striker and a classy midfielder. I still feel that the glass is half full, two trips to wembley this season and still in with a shout of 4th. Looking at the highlights we had a great chance early in the second half. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but let's get behind the team for the run in UTV |
david
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... Damian, Happy to trade statistics if you like. Even with you trying to show that MoN is not that good, your own figures show MoN having done better than the average since the start of the premier league. I'm sure you'd also acknowledge that his results are dragged down by his first season 11th position (after 16th the year before)with a poor quality inherited side that had been widely tipped for relegation. |
Simeon
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... I would like it on record (though quite how this hasn't already registered with some is a minor mystery) that, win, lose or draw, under O'Neill we are poor, and the sooner we get a manager who truly knows what he is doing (Frank Rijkaard is the answer to the inevitable, irksome question), the better. Objectively speaking, 7th drawing against 11th - particularly when 11th have a proud home record) is at least a decent result. People aren't complaining about the result so much as the manner in which it was achieved, and the 'quality' of the performance. Personally, I'm surprised that there are as many 'haters' on here as there are. And by the way, it is perfectly consistent to 'hate' O'Neill and love the club. Those who approve of O'Neill clearly have very little pride in the Villa. How else can happiness with O'Neill's mediocrity be interpreted? |
Aaronstud
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... Everyone who has commented negatively is correct, we must take maximum points at all time. To not take six points from each team would mean certain doom. Man United lost to Burnley but yet they are still in a decent shot at the league, and already have silverware...they must've gotten lucky. Wolves did the double over Spurs, therefore Spurs will surely be relegated and Redknapp must go. Seriously, are we not allowed the same slip ups that have befallen EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE f**kING LEAGUE? Stoke at home are hardly cannon fodder yet we treat it as no more than a formality. MON isn't gettig too big for Villa, I'd say some moron fans are trying to make Villa too big for MON. |
Sean
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...Basically, a point is a point. We needed three but we were basically not good enough. If we were good enough, we would have won today. We didn´t, so we are not. Now, I'm not going to say that this is lazy journalism. I'm not even going to say that Damian wrote four parahgraphs here to say precisely nothing. I'm not going to say that I don't not like supporting Villa, because I couldn't hold this in front of a judge as proof and say "This is actually a steaming turd where a blog entry should be". /'Damian' mode. A draw at Stoke. A draw away, at a team who have made it their business to survive - and this season develop - based on their solid home form. A draw at a team who got the unluckiest F.A. Cup draw sequence possible; a draw at a team who we would have been playing if it wasn't for the fact that they got unlucky and drew Chelsea before we did. Yawn. So many defensive positives to take from today, particularly with how well we consistently dealt with the long throws and set pieces that have been the bane of so many teams this season. Of course it isn't all positive, out midfield lacked an outlet - we probably hoofed it up and high more than they did to be fair - and I'd say that Agbonlahor came on fifteen minutes too late and for the wrong striker; but ths isn't a disaster, and, more importantly, to anyone with half a brain, this draw away at Stoke isn't entirely unexpected. This doesn't at all write off our season, as some have suggested. A point there is a point more than a lot of teams will get this season and a draw is - in the most explicit sense of the word - progess, seeing as we lost there last season. We're on course to exceed last season and yet fans are still moaning. Two trips to Wembley (At least) and still very much in the hunt for a fourth place spot that is a lot more congested than it was last year. Historically, we're a hugely successful club but we haven't won anything for years - and not consistently since pre-WWI - so to even be competing for silverware and a place in the Champions League is something to be positive about. We have more ability than Stoke, but this is real football, not Fifa 2010, and Stoke have made a successful couple of seasons primarily by beating teams 'better' than them at the Brittania. We didn't completely overcome what they do to teams at home but neither did we succumb to it like last season. Not even the big teams' fans' have the divine right to win, but some of our fans - including you, Damian - have already settled into an expectant complacency that is somewhat above where we are - or have been for several decades - as a club. And don't pin that down to 'passion' or 'wanting to win rather than finish fourth'. We'd all like that, but some of us run blogs, influencing people, and thus need to grow up and engage their brain if possible. |
Keithc
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... On the bright side, we're a point up on this neutral's predictions: http://unprofessionalfoul.com/...or-fourth/ |
Dave Lynch
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... If the only way we can get rid of Heskey is for Mon to take him to Liverpool .. I say Farewell Martin .. its been nice |
Jonathan Willier
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... I must say the comments on here are absolute shit. I'm so tired of hearing people whine about the same stuff, week after week. "We need a world class striker", "MON's tactics are flawed." I'm not saying I don't agree with any of these comments, but do we have to hear it week in and week out? I'll admit, like everyone else, I wanted a win today (I mean who goes into a game saying, "Boy I really hope we draw today!") But the fact is that today was a difficult game. I understand we didn't score, but is it not enough to go into a difficult place to play, on a windy day, and still hold onto a clean sheet? Again, I always want a win and I think we always would like to be higher in the table. But, regardless, this has been a great season and will continue to a season to remember for a long time. And MON, Heskey, Downing, etc. etc. are all a big reason for that. I know I'm rambling and all over the place, but I've been angered by what a majority of the people are writing on here today. We all get angry when things don't go perfect, but I can say with pride that I will continue to support the greatest football team on the planet and it's manager and it's players until I die! Even if we ONLY take a point from a POOR Stoke team at the Brit!?! |
McParland
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... Always going to be hard at stoke they have caused problems for many teams including the arse who they knocked out of the cup'Would have dearly liked a win but a point is better than a loss.Spuds will drop points against Man U ,Chelsea , and Arse and we have 2 games in hand over them.Would like a god natural finisher in the squad but its not happing this time around, The defence is excellent we just need Millie ,Ash ,Downing Carew Gabby and Hesky to start scoring and we will be ok. |
S
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... People say we have improved from last season as he got a draw today. But the fact is that while we got 1 point Tottenham got 3 and so are now 6 points ahead while we have 2 games in hand. But even if we win those 2 games Tottenham have a better for and against so unless we win 5-0, 5-0 or something similar we'd still be fifth. Regarding MON and the squad. Firstly when I read a few days ago that MON could go to Liverpool (even though this probably isnt true) I was against it. But now it wouldnt bother me that much as long as we could get a good replacement (Mourinho). MONs ways of not buying foreign players, not rotating the team and most importantly having his favourites really annoys me. The fact is we really needed this win today to have a good chance of making the Champions League. And regarding the squad and Champions League I believe with MON as manager our squad wouldnt make it past the group stages in a decent group. If we do somehow make Champions League we need a squad overhaul. The players I'd definitely keep are: Milner, Young, Dunne, Warnock, Friedel, Cuellar (at CB though), Young (at RB) The players that wouldnt bother me if they left: Petrov (sadly even though I like him we need a better player in his positon) Collins (I think Cuellar is a bit better or maybe I just like him more) Downing (need someone better at crossing, defending, getting the ball) Agbonlahor (can probbaly try harder and get more involved to make some of his own chance like Rooney does. Sell him if we got an offer of about 16m +) The players that definitely need to go: Heskey (cant do anything and is a waste of space on the field and a waste of money on it) Carew (id give him another start next week and if he doesnt do any better get rid of him too) Beye (waste of money as he isnt used) And to replace them we need: A goal scoring forward like: Pavlyuchenko (if hes still unwanted at Tottenham. Scores and takes advantage of chances) Samaras (from Celtic) Cardozo (saw that rumour and he could be good for us) And a creative mid. |
Damian
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... r0bb0 come on. That was pretty much the same squad that finished 6th two seasons before that. The reason they finished where they did was because of the manager Gardner my only expectation is to see the football get better and I'm not a journalist either Chiefly I'm deleting your last comment soon. It isn't elated to the post and this isn't a forum. Comment on the post or a comment but not on your perception of this website that you visit and use. That is not what comments are for. Thanks |
Leroy
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... Just when i felt a bit down after yesterdays result i log on and read some of the posts on here.... Thank you Fatkevs and Aussie Villan etc....thanks for being so ridiculously funny! Talk about shit yourself comments in full swing! Week before Downing scores two and claims MOTM now he is fodder and doesnt deserve his uniform...amazing. We will never buy Pavlychenko, so get over it. He doesnt speak english is arrogant and is a selfish player. MON will never buy a player that he cannot speak with.....and Samaras...lmfao at that one. Get a grip, how about posting a comment after waiting a few hours after the match instead of dribbling shit and badmouthing everyone in the organization.... |
Craig Elliot
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... Do some people not watch any football? DId you not see Stoke play against man city home and away in both league and cup ? Did Man City win any of them ? NO - because Stoke are a solid hardworking team that are very hard to beat. Fair enough we didnt play too well but as many have said that would have been a defeat last year. Some people need to get a grip man, you are embarrassing the proper villa fans. |
paul mclafferty
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... wheres the funeral? did we get spanked yesturday or something? i predicted a draw on damos march fixture list and a clean sheet draw we got from a very hard place to go. when i did the bbc predictor league this was one of the fixtures i thought then we would lose, but we never. i think too many people on here are doom and gloom mongers,i still think we will get 9 points from the next three games. |
paul mclafferty
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... aussielion... Samaras (from Celtic) this fool played for man city and was a complete joke, i could go to scotland and play for celtic and gaurentee you 15 goals a season and im 41. Pavlyuchenko (if hes still unwanted at Tottenham. Scores and takes advantage of chances) did you watch him play yesturday? the sitters he missed before he got his tap in? |
Damian
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... Craigy Using mancity as a benchmark for Aston Villa is actually a little embarrassing. You only mention them because you can't mention the teams that have won at stoke this season holteend Paul There is no funeral and you might be right, that we win the next three but we also might not. had we seen a display yesterday that inspired confidence then I suspect it would be more positive here bit what we saw yesterday was fairly typical of what we have seen under O'Neill No funeral but hardly inspiring football |
paul mclafferty
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... ive just watched the game again and thought we were the better side and had the better chances, wednesday i think mon will want to avenge the opening day defeat and as wigan got spanked yesturday i think mon will want this game to put two fingers up to the people who boo'd in the previuos fixture. |
frem
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... well everton and pool wand stephen ireland. if they can get him than so can we. hes just the player we need and everyone can see it, mon should see hes available and bring a top player like him in. |
AVFC 4 LIFE UTV
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... stepen ireland is a quality player which is what we need, my problem is if liverpool want ireland then a swap plus like £60 million for torres is going to happen, then we take adebayor because he will not be playing- got to hope anyway |
bobvillian
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... what the hell is mon doing;same old story carew took off leaves the donkey on.i would love to know why fonz never gets on.albrighten should be in a. youngs place.he says he wants to use the fringe players over the busy next few weeks to counter tideness;bet your life heskey starts against wigan.with the squad we have my team would friedel;l. young;dunne;quellar;warnock;albrighten;milner;delph;reo -coker;downing;gabby.subs;gusan;collins;bannan;petrov;fonz;carew.tell me what you think villa fans. |
david
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... Damian, Do you think that the team we have now is no better than the one inherited by O'Neill? Goal: Sorensen (I'd prefer Friedel...and not just because he's more sane) Defenders: Looking at this season's record it's hard to make a case that we were better back then. Granted, Laursen's set piece ability is hard to match. Midfield: Back then we had Barry (who would have gone if MoN hadn't found a way of persuading him to stay), McCann, Djemba Djemba, Steven Davis, a very young Milner on loan, Whittingham, an ageing Patrick Berger, and Eirik Bakker. If I was the manager I know which midfield I'd prefer to be working with Up front: Luke Moore, Kevin Phillips, (shame he didn't want to continue to play at the highest level), Milan Baros (you need a very hard working and gifted midfield to be able to afford him in the side), Angel (who had gone off the boil and wanted to move on). The one area where you might make a case is up front where we had some potentially gifted goal scorers who sadly didn't have their hearts in it. |
frem
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... its time to show of are youngsters. delph, albriton and fonz. lets show people what they can do. we know what they can do but knowone else does. im starting to think oneill does not know what they can do. |
VillaNick
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...its time to show of are youngsters. delph, albriton and fonz. lets show people what they can do. we know what they can do but knowone else does. im starting to think oneill does not know what they can do It's too much of a risk in MON's eyes. If we don't score any or many at Wigan, he might go with Gabby and the Fonz at some point. If they started scoring even O'Neill would then drop Heskey. |
VillaNick
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... I wonder where Curtis Davies fits in these days? He would be good beside Dunne, but lets face it Collins & Cuellar have that sewn up for sure! He is a £9M player after all. |
Leroy
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... Guys this is the premier league and i believe this year is one of the tightest in recent memory....Stoke are a well disciplined team and fight for everything. Yes they are a borish team who try and bog down opponents by slowing the play down etc... They are a tough side and we lost to them last year. Yes we would have all loved a win....just like the Carling cup final....didnt happen chin up move on.....hopefully a win next match... We havnt lost in 8 matches in the premiership now not bad, just need a few wins and we will be in good shape |
Damian
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... r0bb0 no - i believe we can field a better starting 11 now my point is, the team o'neill inherited were as good as the same team that finished 6th under o'leary - the reason we finished so poorly with o'leary was o'leary ... |
henrydouble
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... I don't know about the rest of you, but i'm frustrated because we're so close to being a top team. MON's done ALL the hard work: 1) he's got 90% of the right players 2) he's got the right spirit 3) the players believe in him 3000% All he has to do is get them playing to their talents. You can't honestly say that Spurs' players are that much better than ours technique-wise. Ash, Jimmy, DJ, and Stan are all two-footed players. (BTW DJ needs to grow a pair, he's the biggests bottler ever!) Come on MON, finish the job and put the cherry on top |
john doyle
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... robbo the team might be better than the one of oleary but is it 130 mill better i think not we will not win anything with this clown in charge you are all brain washed any manager who plays heskey should not be allowed to manage at pub level let alone at this level its not the draw at stoke its the 5 out of 7 draws in the last 7 games why dont we ever go for a win Oneall always brings on a forward for a forward or a mid feild player for a foeward he never goes for a win this gus is the mst boring manager in the leage we are 2 points above small heath there team cost 25 mill the clown martin tha spent 130 mill who is the best manager small heaths or the great martin he still plays an unblanced team every week he dont play the best goal getter at the club the fonz please martin go to liverpool and take that lump heskey with you let sid cowans take over some one who knows how the game should be played and was ten times the player you was |
Desert PD
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... Personally, I'm keeping an eye on Tottenham. They seem to be playing inspired football at the moment and while their schedule becomes more difficult in a couple of weeks, they could really come on. |
rodin
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...ronvilla said: That comment above in bold has to be the most stupid one i have read so far;because,firstly,no game in the prem is a foregone conclusion.Secondly,we haven't beaten either of those teams yet - drew against one,and lost against the other. |
rodin
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...Sasa said: Took the words out of my mouth  |
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