Sunday, 29 January 2012 18:45
I don't know what to write that isn't going to antagonise someone, so I'm going to write it as I saw it and that is that. If you don't agree, let me know by all means, but it is just the way the game went.
First - we had two chances in the first half and took them. One came from a corner and I think it will go down as a goal from a corner, as it was a move that happened from the corner and the other was some quite delightful counter attacking football.
At half time, I really thought we could win this, but I was also till nervous, because all we had done for the first half was put ten men behind the ball. However, we did it well, so I thought there was that chance.
But things don't work out like they are supposed to and inside fifteen minutes of the second half Arsenal were leading. Two penalties and some sloppy defending cost us and say what you want, had we got one back or had we created twice as many chances in the first half and taken them too, I fancy Arsenal would have just scored more.
Why were we beaten?
So, instead of me telling you why I think we were beaten, I'd like you tel tell me. Answer below please. Later I'll tell you my thoughts.
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DanReynolds7
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... We were beaten because we defend like school boys. We have a defender as a manager and even he can't get them to defend properly. |
Albri-12
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... we were beaten because we are crap in every single way. its embarrassing supporting villa. bannan and gardner should be our new cm's. clark isn't good enough there. please please please stop praising gabby on here. hes a crap player. has no brian no skill, no technique. lets hope a take over is around the corner. get the s**t out apart from bannan, gardner, clark and Albri |
joevilla
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... Should have had the win but gotta say, and this is very negative, but we've only spared ourselves a horrible moment when O'Neil gets the win in the next round, that would hurt a bit. |
blake0121
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... Midfield was too slow Arsenal slightly up the tempo 2nd half Hutton literally gave them the 2nd goal plus the officials were bias |
Albri-12
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... QIA PLEASE SAVE US !!! once again another season over. out both cups and wont even finish top half |
Reidy
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... Gutted, I really thought we could pull this off and beat the cockneys. First half i thought we played well and took our chances but we definately went to sleep second half. Love Darren Bent to bits but he's a lazy bugger at times if only he had the bravery of number 9's like Peter Withe, Andy Gray and the likes maybe we could have ran away with this game and finished it off after the first 45mins . |
.vogra
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... rubbish...i had a horrible feeling at half time they'de come back and win, if you defend as bad a we do then teams like Arsenal will put you away. Season is over |
blake0121
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... Positives The Villa away fans were a credit to the club today and AMC edges closer to the sack |
HOOLY
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... 1st half tactics were spot on we got it tactically wrong in the 2nd that with some dodgy defending cost us the gsme |
Old McParland
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... Our defence realy does need questioning after being 02 up then capitulating happened to many times now over the previous seasons to be a un important target to address immediatly.The only good thing i can see from this loss today is that we can urgently concentrate on staying in the premership'and if any of you players are looking at the comments on here you should go out against QPR and totaly destroy them not only for the good of Aston Villa but for the sanity of those loyal fans who turn up week after week to spur you on.Today is gone now and thats it but QPR are next up so UP AND AT EM LADS let them know we are NOT bottlers or capitulaters by sending them back up the M1 with their tails between their legs and a HEAVY DEFEAT to boot.UP THE VILLA ALWAYS |
Luke M
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... I think we would've won it if we didn't gift Arsenal 3 goals. We basically gave Arsenal the win. Doom mongers would say that we were just utter s**te, but the fact is that for all Arsenal's dominance they couldn't score a goal off their own back. |
stevieh
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... Arsenal were there for the taking lost 3 prem games on trot, confidence rocky, booed off at HT, but we can't keep a clean sheet and AM can't motivate players!!! Time to go!! |
Noelk
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... In my opinion we were beaten because our full backs are terrible. At least Warnock gives 100%. Hutton though. Where to start? How is this guy a premier league fb? Spurs saw us coming a mile off and are still laughing all d way to the bank. He gave the ball away cheaply for the first goal and then processed to lash the ball off Walcott and into his own net for the second. Fair play to Darren Bent he took his goal well but he doesn't offer anything else up front. With the long ball hoofing we've been playing we need a target man. We need a striker who can make the ball stick to bring the midfield into it and perhaps feed Benty! Rant over! |
Albri-12
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... to be honest id rather us win on wednesday. but will we ?? most probably not. put lichaj at RB, clark at CB and gardner and bannan in the middle and we might. why AM doesn't start Bannan is beyond me. blake- AM isn't going to be sacked. Randys lost all interest and hopefully he will be selling up soon |
Aussie Villan
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... Oh and for the love of god can we please replace Hutton. Why do our managers make such s**tty buys. He isn't even blues quality |
Villa by Birth
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... We lost because we are incapable of holding on to the ball. To many times we give the ball away via the following:- Long balls Stray passes poor decisions over the next pass playing collegues into trouble and lack of movement up front We will struggle to hold a lead or clean sheet until the midfield is sorted out we need:- a strong DM a nasty ball winner a creative route out some o f this we have with BB, CG and CC. I genuinely think CC is good enough to play hear But what we really need is killer instinct not this sit back s**t we get served up every week. |
taglor
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... The blame started the moment an american businessman ignored an important English rivalry for cold hard cash. Thanks RL and PF for not listening to your customers and arrogantly appointing AMc anyway as we are now an embarrassing has been team in the world of football. Where on earth do you think we will garner new fans from? Is there any point watching the rest of the season? We will avoid relegation by the skin of our teeth and then people will get all over optimistic again and think it will all be different next season and in 5 years time it will be the same unless mass change happens. |
jobbi
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... It was just sad for os and i don´t now what the Mcleish told the boys in halftime. this game cut esaly gone 6-2 for Arsenal. Poor defence and now help from midfield like in first half. |
villarich
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... Arsenal stepped it up a gear and we didn't, or couldn't...I'm devastated with our 2nd half performance today but 3 goals in 7 minutes tells you all you need to know about our shambolic defending, CLUELESS...  |
Common Cents
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... The first half was an aberration. Villa didn't deserve to be 0-2 up at the break. Natural justice prevailed. Simples. |
Randy Learner
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... Why we lost, when it comes to putting a team out there being nice and pragmatic , making them work and get behind the ball Eck is at home. Anything else he is out of his comfort zone. He has no footballing philosophy, and subsequently can't utilize young players because they have direction to follow. |
villasparton
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... As i said to you on twitter, Hutton was a disgrace couldn't pass, couldn't tackle, couldn't run (in his trade gross misconduct). Cuellar was not match fit, or out played. I question why we went to pieces to let 3 goals in, the first mistake ok its a mistake, but to drop our heads like that is totally unprofessional. Now all i can do is dream of what would have been kicking MON out of the cup :-( I know some won't agree but Warnock looked really good today, Ireland played his part again, and we look 100% better with Keane (which i thought would be a mistake getting him) |
b6villa
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... We lost bacause we are s**t, what happened to 10 men behind the ball in the second half, it's hard enough to take the lead at arsenal but we were leading two nil, there is no excuse to what happened in the second half, we are not getting a take over so there won't be no one saving us, we are useless, just feel sorry for the fans who travelled up there, |
divine_islet1
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... Anyways,what's done is done now.Back to focus on relegation issues.Ireland was our best player by a country mile.He now not only tracks backs ,but tackles,and wins the ball back,add to that his passing skills,and dribbling skills which he now seems to have regained.Cuellar was the second best.The others were all apathetic and abysmal. |
Randy Learner
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... Alex McCleish has been sacked - all over sky sports news now!!!!!! Villa1 , why do it! |
mon 4-5-1
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... We didn't deserve to be two nil up at half time but we were - thanks to a header from Dunne and a Clinical piece of finishing by Bent, I guess which is why we paid so much money for him. Obviously you have to ask what was the team talk at half time, because we were a shambolic in the second half - for the second penalty what was Bent doing in his own penalty box trying to tackle - did the manager say to the team sit back so deep and everyone play in defence. How often did we see Van Persie tackling in his own Penalty box: did not see one instance when he did, and that is because strikers should not be tackling in there own penalty box when you have other players to do this job Which leads to this Clown of a managers mind set which is what cost us the game not the players, because we were good enough to have beaten this fairly vulnerable Arsenal side today - the Clown of a manager just does not know how to win matches. Hopefully the pressure on him will pile on because I just want him gone from our club. Obviously Wenger's team talk had a bigger impact on his players - whilst we would have been better off not having a manager for our half time team talk. |
Stephen Jay Hawkings
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... That, in a nutshell, is supporting Aston Villa. They should change the definition of bi-polar disorder to "being an Aston Villa fan". Why did we lose? Stupidity from individuals, same thing every week, can't keep blaming AM for idiotic individual mistakes. Then again you can because he bought some of them and refuses to drop them. I was more nervous at half-time then before the game, the reason for that was justified 15 mins later. It's always just so inevitable isn't it? |
blake0121
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...HOOLY said: Just calling it how I see it, and I don't need to make excuses we were terrible in the 2nd half |
Albri-12
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... Am has to go but i really dont think Randy will sack him mainly cus he has lost all interest. we need a take over more than anything |
Gutted
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... Hutton is by far the worst player I've ever seen in a villa shirt. If you can't even pass to your own players, you'll always going to give away leads. |
leeavfc
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... Did the ref recieve a bumming or a bung from Arse at half time or wot ? UTV sotc x |
JustRich
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... StephenJayHawkings Thats a fair assessment chap it really is! Makes it even worse when you do actually suffer from Bi-polar disorder like myself! |
Bigballsalbrighton
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... 2 poor fullbacks, 2 slow and poor centre mids and a striker in Darren Bent who can put the ball away, but just can't hold up the ball!!! All put together makes us struggle against any team whether it Arsenal or Accrington Stanley!! Very disappointed is an understatement!! |
Rake
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... At half time i knew we wouldn't win the game,because we were s**t and scored twice against the run of play,but i never envisaged such a pathetic surrender like that.I honestly thought they would score 6 or 7 at that point.Arsenal won because they are better in every department(except 'keeper),Dunne is past it and should have been sent off,and Hutton is easily the worst player i have ever seen.He looks like a thug and plays like one.Him and Dunne are so slow,it's embarrasing.Why sign a player who beat up his own father????!!!!This club is rotten to the core,and the football is dire.WHY THE f**k HAVEN'T WE SIGNED ANY PLAYERS THIS TRANSFER WINDOW???!!!All that's left now is another relegation battle,and until Lerner and Mc s**t f**k off,i for one have lost interest.I can't be arsed anymore,it's not worth the anger and stress.f**k 'EM!!!!!!!!!! |
Albri-12
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... Gutted for our good players who will be desperate to leave in the summer. Bent and ireland Mainly but they wont be the only ones who will want out |
Misterp
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... In a nutshell piss poor defending stupid defending and idiotic passing o and a manager who gives an interview and hides from the truth. Instead of publicly pointing fingers letting players know that they messed up he blames the ref and says it was his fault |
b6villa
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... That Ginger t**t ain't going nowere, were stuck with the bulls**t manager, the only thing us fans had to look foward to and that's gone too, how the f**k couldn't they hold onto a two goal lead |
Stephen Jay Hawkings
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... JustRich lol just hope you know I wasn't taking the mick out of BPD, I just have the general depressive one, at least you guys get the mania bit!  |
taglor
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... damn right rake hutton does look like a thug a prison officer and acts like a cowardly bully like them too. Love how the radio stations are just talkin about arsenal and not mentioning villa as were not worth the breath. |
Villa by Birth
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... AM cant blame any players this week because Collins was not playing. So he resorts to blaming the ref. Meanwhile the team remove all the mirrors in the dressing room in case AMC wants to have a word with himself over his dire tactics |
Delago
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... We were beaten because of a very poor midfield which can neither control nor pass a ball. We were Beaten because, along with two calamitous centre backs, we've two bluffers masquerading as full backs. And finally, we have yet another manager who seems unable to instill confidence in a team that went two nil up just before the half time whistle. I can't remember a villa team since the late 90's thats had any bottle. Why is that? |
mon 4-5-1
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... As far as it goes for the age myth, the team the Clown put out today was very experienced side - age was high and most of the players had premiership experience - yet they were turned over by a much younger side in the space of 20 minutes. So at least this is one more excuse the Clown cannot use, the number of youngsters in the starting 11. |
Randy Learner
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...Saw Gardner against our reserves. He was exceptional. One for the future. No gunner, one for now!! |
henrydouble
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... Ridiculous that people suggest Bent is lazy, when he ran so far back for the pen and chased anything in the arsenal half when he had support. Hard to blame the manager for that, but when you sit back on a lead and eventually lose you are asking for it... |
Old McParland
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... Some one said why did Bent run back to tackle and give a penalty away when van persie does not do that.I remember emile heskey co mi ng on for england some time back only on for about 3 mins ran all the way back and fouled i think Zidain of france from which they scored a goal and went on to win the match Dont remember if heskey was at the villa then ? but he should have been cause he certainly fits in well lol |
Return of Rowley
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... I thought that knobhead had been banned!?! Him and Frem should just exchange email addresses and slag Agbonlahor off all they like. After that game I just don't see the relevance of criticising Agbonlahor. He wasn't the worst player by a long way. I used to say that Hutton was the worst right back since Gary Charles but that's slanderous to our former full back. He's just the worst. Ever. At anything. Ireland was class again and where are all those quick to jump all over him when he hadn't even had a chance? |
Albri-12
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... Even more depressing, it will be soon transfer deadline day but we will be doing jack s**t in it when its so obvious we need to AM and randy out |
taglor
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... Out of all competitions and 9 points above the relegation zone. I mean how s**t does AMc have to be for RL and PF to admit their arrogance was wrong and we need somebody/anybody else to manage our club? PF in November "I think Europe sits there as a goal and that would be our goal this year,' said Faulkner. 'We believe that being in Europe is psychologically important. Randy wants it back. 'I believe it's do-able. Aston Villa is a great club and should be up there challenging at the top of the league and we should be there pushing for Europe. 'It should always be the goal for a great club like this." bhahahaahahahhahahaahahahahahahah |
jonnycarew
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... very simple why we lost: 1. hutton - can't defend or attack. Gave the ball away needlessly for the first goal and the less said about his clearence for the second, the better. Why did we sell Luke Young for this? 2. Centre midfield - playing a centre back (clarke) as a midfielder. Playing petrov who's legs have been gone for 5 years. End result - the slowest, least creative and effective midfield possible. 3. Ireland - our best player in the last month when he has played in the middle - so what do we do - put him out wide. 4. keane - when you are playing arsenal you need mobile players to nip in and win the ball, keane has joined 5 years to late. A sub at best and no way should he be playing in Ireland's favoured position. Mccleish, you have a very good set of young players here. Team should be: Given Cuellar-dunne-clarke-new LB Gabby-bannan-ireland-gardner-nzog Bent FKIN SIMPLE |
b6villa
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... Did you see the second goal for arsenal, Collins, when clearing it hit it against walcott and the ball went it, we are a loughing stock |
Villa by Birth
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... I love comments like this ROBIN VAN PERSIE SPARKS GUNNERS COMEBACK and then hidden in the text it says that Robin worked tirelessly to create his 2 spot kicks AKA gifts from Aston Villa |
windofchange
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... P*ss poor tactics in the second half, back 4 playing too deep, midfield too far up the pitch, Arsenal when in possesion picking us off and when our back 4 did get the ball at their feet just hoofing it aimlessly, DB9 so isolated he comes back into his own penalty area to see some of the ball and gives away a penalty could not make it up - my Nephew's under 14 team and manager have more of a clue! Get the muppet out! |
110% saunders
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... With a decent goalkeeper and a front 6 of Bent, Gabby, Ireland, Albrighton, Gardner and Bannan (or Keane) we should be top 8 and having a decent cup run. The awful defence is costing us...no team has full backs as poor as Hutton and Warnock and Dunne and Collins make a critical mistake every game and cannot defend set pieces! considering 3 in 7 minutes is so unprofessional. Carlos is the only one who we can rely upon. McCleish has just said he will not be spending before Tuesday so the back four on Wednesday has to be Herd. Carlos. Clarke. Stevens. |
Albri-12
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...PF in November "I think Europe sits there as a goal and that would be our goal this year,' said Faulkner. so if this was the goal then AM has to go cus it ain't gunna happen under him |
HT Sweden
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... I just came home from the s**ttiest of fotball trainings ive been to, and now this result. 3 goals from Arsenal in 7 f-kings minutes. |
Agrotis
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... Just listened to Mcleish on the radio, and he sounded pretty pissed off that he wont be allowed to strengrthen. Or am i reading too much into it? Lerner is a tosser. |
taglor
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... Getting seriously hacked off now, EVERY phone call on the radio stations is about arsenal. |
Jordan Spencer
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... I can tell u exactly why we lost in just 5 words - Alan Hutton and Stephen Warnock. |
windofchange
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... I also feel that Shay Given is not fully committed to the club, as good a keeper as he is, something does not feel right about him, and I would not be surprised to see him want away in the summer, cant just put my finger on it but I hope I am wrong. |
Agrotis
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...I also feel that Shay Given is not fully committed to the club, as good a keeper as he is, something does not feel right about him, and I would not be surprised to see him want away in the summer, cant just put my finger on it but I hope I am wrong. Shoulder. |
gmjvilla
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... We lost because Wenger spotted our weakness (defence) changed things at half time and took advantage... Our manager was not skilled enough to see it coming and is not tactically astute to change things when they clawed 1 back... As soon as they scored we lost the impetus and the game was theirs... I was sat in clear view of the game and we lost because we had no tactics and game plan... I'm afraid that is due to the calibre of players and a poor manager... |
MArc4villa
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... We were beaten because: 1. Dunne late tackle as usual 2. Hutton own goal - and Jesus, that guy is s**t 3. Walcott just waltzed by Warnock and another one of his bloody useless flipping tackles. The only player worse Hutton is Warnock. 4. AMC waiting too long to sub Petrov with Bannan. And Petrov should have taken a shot at goal when he was free but instead blamed Bent for not coming in fast enough. Blame yourself Petrov! 5. Keane's legs gave way around the 60th minute and he should have been subbed, but AMC too blind or too slow to see. 6. Referee was generous on the second penalty. In summary, we lost AGAIN because of poor defending. Warnock and Hutton are two of the worse players in the premiership. Back to the drawing board of disappointment. BTW, ANYONE seen Randy Lerner around? |
Stephen Jay Hawkings
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...With a decent goalkeeper and a front 6 of Bent, Gabby, Ireland, Albrighton, Gardner and Bannan (or Keane) we should be top 8 and having a decent cup run. I agree, it's the defence that needs to be sorted out. It's almost like the opposite of the MON era. For a start Lichaj and Stevens in NOW!! |
Randy Learner
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... The PF comments were just a setup so they can sack Eck at the end of the season! Those saying we gifted penaltys are a bit mad surely, it's not as if Dunne dribbled into our area and picked the ball up! They're trying to defend against attacks with a sliding tackle, hows that a gift. |
divine_islet1
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... The way Arsenal played in the second half they could have given any team a run for their money. |
divine_islet1
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... Can't blame the manager for conceding goals ,now can we?Dunne,Warnock,Collins have been s**t since MON left.And under MON we made to look good due to Barry and Milner,as soon as those two left,the defenders' lack of defensive ability came to the fore. |
Daz
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... We went out becuase we have a inept defence. most of our main defenders ie- DUNNE, WARNOCK, COLLINS & HUTTON are shocking and are lower premier league standard. DUNNE continues to give penalties away for rash tackles for no reason. CUELLAR had to play with these 3 jokers. HUTTON is an idiot, he gets out paced all the time, out skilled and is an absolute clown, The Walcott goal was amateur defending. He should of been aware of his surroundings and took a touch and then clear it where no arsenal player was closing him down. The 2nd pen came from HUTTONS side again but in my opinion wasnt a penalty although BENT never won the first challenge he never fouled KOSCIELNY either, he followed through from the slide but swung his right leg and took the ball. So it was 50/50. We will continue fightng at the bottom end of the table with them 3 playing in the back 4. i can see many problems with the team. AGBONLAHOR is useless on the wing, he can get to the ball when chasing it but is awful when he gets the ball. He also stands still when a player goes to pass him the ball to feet. The midfield and strikers dont press the ball enough, We are too slow closing down this is why we get opened up every game. We should press as a team and force the opposition to make mistakes. IMO BANNAN and GARDNER should be in the first 11, PETROV only plays sidewards and cant cross a ball. Why he takes free kicks and corners i dont know. |
taglor
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... Worst day in Aston Villa's history http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2377606,00.html |
Agrotis
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...The PF comments were just a setup so they can sack Eck at the end of the season! I must admit that its possible. Why else would you not back your managers ideas in the market? Personaly, we have naff all left to play for, so they should do the deed now. But they wont. At the moment, he is taking all the attention away from them. and i guess they are happy with that. |
taglor
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... Just read Lee Hendrie is bankrupt, was earning 24 grand a week, what an absolute knobend |
willaphan
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... The club died when AM was appointed! The bloke has no idea, no tactics, no hope. How can you expect to keep 10 behind the ball and stop the gooners playing? We should have got in their faces knowing that they were going to up the game. AM thinks that he can defend a whole half and scrape a win. Not against teams like Arsenal you can't! We needed to press them in their half and work in packs, basic football coaching... I see a relegation battle approaching unless he goes ASAP. Looks like all those fans staying away from villa park have got in right. I won be going anymore. In fact we have a better chance of getting wins/points away from home as even the players don't like playing at home. They are embarrassed by the tactics of the 'manager' PLEASE GET HIM OUT. |
Daz
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... The team should be GIVEN, HERD, CUELLAR, CLARK, STEVENS, BANNAN, GARDNER, IRELAND, N'ZOGBIA, KEANE, BENT. Bench: GUZAN, LICHAJ, BAKER, ALBRIGHTON, DELFOUNESO, WEIMANN, AGBONLAHOR. none of the main first teamers such as DUNNE, COLLINS, HUTTON, WARNOCK, PETROV, HESKEY should get a game. if they do its should be because of injuries and suspensions. They all affect how we play and on our results. |
Murphius
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... Its a nervous mentality thing that some of our lesser players have, with any lead we take, the lesser players panic and just hoof the ball away without any pressure on them instead of being calm and playing ball to feet. These players have to go because you cannot train or fix these players to be calm! you either have it or dont. The real trouble about this nervous mentality is that it is starting to spread to our younger players. |
dublinvillain
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... i have to say were brilliant the 1st 45mins, all we needed to do was hold on for a few mins when arsenal were all over us. but we done the opposite and completely shot ourselves in the foot how was Ramsey allowed just coast in between the cbs? i know we lost but we are improving keane was good made the first goal intelligent player something we are lacking if gabby had a bit more of football brain he would be world class!! we will beat qpr easy |
taglor
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... Where are robbo, bladman and martin et al now? Where are the people that blame the villa home fans for losing? If that had been at Villa park some would be on here saying it was all the fault of fans booing or blogs like this rather than facing facts we have some rubbish players and an atrocious manager and owner. |
baldvillan
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... I don't think we have a 2nd gear or 3rd for that matter.When teams change gears and come at us we don't seem to have any answers. |
monkey man
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... we must drop hutton and dunne for the qpr game,perhaps jean makoun would have helped today |
B64life
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... How bad was that, 2 nil up and we still can't win, at ht I said if they score early were Gunnar lose so said,so dun, every 1 looked dead on there feet because all we did all game was run, chase after ball, sitting back letting them pass press the ball an when we had it we just hoof it up the pitch n it's come right back putting us under pressure time n time again |
Murphius
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... We should make a viral video about Alan Hutton as we did with Stewart Downing! Then we show Liverpool the video, there owners will go "wow this guy knows how to play soccer". Then they'll offer us a Fiver, 2 cheese sandwiches and half a curly wurly for hutton. Id snap there hands off!!!!!!!!!!! |
bluto
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... The reason we lost is that unlike Arsenal this team could not come back and win from being two goals down. I see some posts saying BB is the answer in midfield, he is undoubtably talented but he is too easily eased off the ball. why oh why cant our forwards keep possession |
mon 4-5-1
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... taglor - very good point, where are all the people who were blaming the home fans? can they please enlighten us on what went wrong today!!! |
monkey man
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... gabby has had a few bad games thats it,hutton dunne warnock petrov collins have a s**t game every time they put the shirt on. Why do you blame agbonlahor? |
Damian
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... There is one thing and people have to accept this, but we got lucky in the first half .. the Alex Mcleish way - defend and try not to concede and then counter nothing wrong with that ... as long as you can hold on to what you get it. if you cant hold on to it, then it just goes to confirm that nothing much is going to come simply because you cant do any of the two things you have to do playing this way |
b6villa
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... Daz Walcott gave up on it and was turning away when huts**t smacked it off him and then went into the goal |
Albri-12
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... A take over is the only way for us now. The future as it stands is going to be Hell. We will be in the lower leagues in a few years at this rate that id for sure. We need to be great again and getting QIA is the only way that will happen. Stoke City and the Scum getting Further than us in the cup, thats how bad we are now |
b6villa
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... After letting goals in like that qpr will have a go at us, and with a nervous defence we will let goals in, plus our home record this isn't brilliant is it, can see another defeat to follow up this one |
Dgob
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... Guys, as a gooner I feel sorry for you that you've ended up with the ginger tw*t as your manager. I can't understand what your owner was thinking in appointing the cyclops in the first place. I have always like Villa and so, despite today's result, I hope you get shot of that c u next tuesday quick. Good luck with your season |
Damian
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... And for those wondering about the two trolls we have on the site, true villan and yorkeman, yes, they are the same person - IP address confirms it |
Falmouth Villan
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... We lost simply because we have the worst defence(both individual players and tactics) we have had in the last 20 years and because the idiot we call a manager continues to play the worst 2 fullbacks in EPL history! Was not very impressed with martin keowns comments after the match he should remember a big chunk of his pension comes from his time at viia park. So dissapointed at the way this season is turning out, but in all honesty its exactly what i expected. Time for change...hell no time for a revolution! V.T.I.D. |
Falmouth Villan
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... Forgot to say great support from the villa lads today,well done respect to you all... |
Albri-12
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... i mean stoke are still in europe, still in the fa cup and 8th in the league. that should be us, not stoke. we need a take over. we need to be great by spending on great players |
villamark
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... Well at least we can push for that european spot now p.f!!!! dream on..dream on!! |
monkey man
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... albri 12 do you not think if we replaced hutton warnock dunne collins with quality or anyone we would see a real change |
Nike
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... Ready for the championship ? It's coming and i feel for you if you can't see it yet Best to realise now than when it happens Alex Mcleish just ain't good enough in the Premier League pure and simple well not simple to Randy Lerner but there you go |
Daz
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... I dont solely blame GABBY but he is never gonna get better than what he is. he isnt a winger and is not intelligent enough to be a top striker. he will score 10 goals a season max. HUTTON is utter dross, wish somebody will come in and take him off our hands. id rather see LICHAJ take his place and then Herd when he is back. Also i want to see STEVENS, BAKER or LICHAJ been drafted into WARNOCK's place because he is a totally liability. Then there is DUNNE he needs replacing quick. If we can sort the defence first we can then work on the midfield after because that needs a total revamp.. In regards to BANNAN yes he is lightweight but apart from IRELAND, BANNAN is the most technical player at Villa he is the best passer, set piece taker at the club. When BANNAN come on and was given the ball in space he created opportunities. Something PETROV will never do because he dwells on the ball. I would rather see the youngsters blood as they have better qualities than most of the 1st team dross. |
JustRich
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... Stephen Jay Hawkings Lol! Thats true it does make life a little more...unpredictable?! Haha |
windofchange
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... Gabby is sadly a good player in a sh*te team at the moment with what seems an undefined role, for him to show consistancy he needs to play in his best position consistently and get plenty of the ball, this shambles could ruin him longer term. |
monkey man
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... as ive been saying for wks give bannan the free role.if not he will leave in the summer and we will realise what a great player he is |
Nike
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... I gather there will be a pointless protest when we go down And it will be pointless cause the damage would have already been done So should we not start now ????????????????????????? |
Richexiledincoventry
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... I see MON has put in a bit for the up and coming Kevin Davis at Bolton. Always had an eye for a good up and coming player. What's the chances, if Bolton can be persuaded(ha!)to sell,of him giving Davis a lucrative 5 year contract. Yes, I'm as pissed off with the board and McLeish as much as anyone but others shouldn't get off scot free. |
gmjvilla
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... The Keystone cops in defence were the main reason for this defeat... I was sat 10 feet behind the Arsenal goal when the ball rebounded off Walcott and you should have seen the expression on his face... I'm sure he mouthed the word 'clowns' as the ball nestled in the back of the net... As for the second penalty... I could sense something bad was about to happen minute I saw Bent back in our own penalty area... WTF??? You know you have serious problems when one of the most potent Goal hangers in the game has to retreat back to his own area to get the ball... Trying to find a positive from today's game... Ah yes... The Away support... Truly magnificent... I was sat in amongst the Gooners and they were in awe of us. Made me proud to be a Villan. Big shame we don't have a defence and manager to match. UTV |
Richexiledincoventry
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... ...and lets NOT waste any money we do have left in this transfer window. Our one hope is to get wait for the likes of Heskey, Delph etc to stop fleecing the club and start again with young, promising hungry players under a decent manager who possibly has Villa connections. |
In Alex We Trust
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... Just got back from the game. Firstly, the villa travelling support was incredible. Outsang the dismal Arsenal fans all game, although obviously shellshocked at one point. Really frustrated with the result, but I don't feel let down by the players; they gave their all. It is clear that Hutton needs to go sooner rather than later. He works hard, but he is dreadful. What more can you say about Dunne? Always prone to those type of dodgy, rash tackles. Leading two nil was abit of an aberation, but that's football. Coming out at half time, we clearly went through, what has been long known as a "Villa headless chicken" moment, where we go through a 15-25 minutes spell of complete panic, defenders seemingly a yard behind and midfielders blind passing. Unfortunately that period completely cost us. Still feel like we should have taken something from the game. Petrov not electing to shoot when he had the chance to last home from a few yards was really poor. |
John Salter
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... We lost because we gave two stupid school boy penalties away. The tactics in the first half were good and we came out far too slow in the 2nd half. Incredibly some are moaning about Gabby again! What's wrong with you people? He gives 110% every game and until he went off injured was playing well and getting through on the wing, which if you remember, isn't his natural and best position. Damian - I hope you've banned those two (one) idiot(s)? |
sussexsharks
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... Defensively we are very poor conceding 2 goals most games as the guy said earlier opposite to previous games. Interesting comment from Alan Green and Graham Taylor on 5L called Villa a team of 10 players + Darren Bent as he hardly touches the ball fantastic finisher but does not fit on with our style of play someone akin to Morison of Norwich who closes defenders/ keepers down and is a real nuisance would be better. I would also play Clarke at CB and Petrov cannot do it week in week out we are missing Herd combative style of play in the middle Bannan also needs time on the pitch although not sure you can play him and Ireland together M/F then too light weight,I would play Gabby up front on his own with Keane just behind him as that is where Gabby seems to play best |
Rob_The_Villain
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... I keep reading and reading that Bannan is the answer to all our midfield problems and it's driving me nuts! When he plays we simply get steamrolled in midfield, he's just too lightweight. And there seems to be this perception about his passing, well hanging 15 yards in front of the defence doing a million 5 yard passes isn't doing anyone any damage. When there seems to be the chance for a killer pass he over hits it or tries to force a pass that's never on. How many times have you seen players infuriated with his wasteful passing. I can count several occasions of players screaming at him. Not to mention his attitude problem... even before the drink driving stuff. Does anyone remember the hundreds of drunk photos of him on Bebo? He's 22 for christ's sake, if he was that good he would've made it by now. |
Len
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... We are in trouble,Lerner still wants more cut from the wage bill,so I hope some of the younger Holt Enders take their boots to the game just in case!!!!! |
windofchange
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... There is a story in one Sunday paper that Bannan wants away either on a permanent transfer or loan not getting enough starts for his liking. Also if Rondon who has been mentioned by some papers is a target, knows anything about us and especially our manager I cant see him being remotely interested currently on SS1 playing for Malaga looks half decent. |
Agrotis
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...It is clear that Hutton needs to go sooner rather than later The manager will not drop Hutton, for the same reason as the absent yank, will not fire his mistake. Throwing the game the way they did, will hurt more than being hammered. Hopefully, the manager can use that anger and get some positive results in the coming weeks.... Two relegations however, tell us he wont. |
b6villa
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... Albri-12 birmingham are still in the fa cup, only villa could let a two goal lead slip |
Thundertinygooner
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... An Arsenal fan in peace. Commisserations on what must be a very tough result to take.I can empathise with a great club with proper supporters who have been legged over by an American owner whose ambitions don't match those of the fans. You deserve a much better manager than McLeish and a more ambitious owner than Lerner. Today I didn't think you deserved to be 2-0 up at half time but you had awful bad luck with the second goal although Hutton is a poor full back. You have great attacking potential but the defence was too immobile and I am not sure if McLeish will play to the strengths of Albrighton,N'zogbia and Bent and Agbonlahor . Roy Hodgson or Brendan Rodgers would be proper Villa managers true to the DNA of the club.I wish you problems in resolving your issues |
Agrotis
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...nteresting comment from Alan Green and Graham Taylor on 5L called Villa a team of 10 players + Darren Bent as he hardly touches the ball fantastic finisher but does not fit on with our style of play It just emphasises the mistake of hiring such a negative and defensive manager, and just how much out of touch from reality the idiots running the club are. In no way was McCliesh hired for footballing reasons. It just smacks against everything we know about the guy, to think it could of been... But Randy has a letter from Fergie. Tell you what Randy, lets see it. Because i think its just more bulls**t. |
Albri-12
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... Bannan should be starting every week. he shown today in 10 mins he has more quality then any one else in our side. he has a great left foot and would be gutting to see him go. Another young talent waisted, like Delph and Fonz. for me Bannan and Delph should be our CM, maybe with gardner. All are very good on the ball. AM is killing them |
Nike
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... Agree Agrotis thats when i the first things i thought and said when Mcleish came in i just knew his style of play would ruin and destroy Bent we be lucky to get £10mil now when he wants out |
rodders
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... Damian, you want to know why we lost today? well read this and nothing else. We lost today because our manager, Alex Mcleish very rarely finds himself in winning positions, let alone 2-0 up at half time against arsenal. His lack of tactical awareness showed greatly today, we all knew arsenal would come at us in the first 10-15min of the 2nd half with all guns blazing. And we all know that arsenal love to play it in midfield, he SHOULD of congested the midfield 4-5-1, suffocated arsenal, man to man, no-time allowed on the ball, pressing them high on the pitch, for that first 15min, when arsenal are still 2-0 down crowd get angry, pressure ,mounts etc and it falls in our favor What did he do? well as we saw, he kept the same formation, he kept 3 strikers on the field, who mostly defended and one of them gave a penalty, we defended too deep, and so much more stuff i cant be bothered to write about but you get the drift... thats why we lost? |
Albri-12
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...There is a story in one Sunday paper that Bannan wants away either on a permanent transfer or loan not getting enough starts for his likinh  every time he plays he has a good game. I remember a few moths back when he played for Scotland, he was fantastic. He is a very good little player who AM was praising in the first few months of the season and now he seems to hate him. we should go back to the line up against QPR. we had Delph, Bannan and Ireland in the midfield and we kept the ball really well. now AM hates good football and plays Clark and Stan there |
Raz
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... International class first half? Top performance for 45 minutes? Ok boys, that'll do, pack up, let's get on the coach home, jobs a gooden! Bloody hell, if mccleish thought the first half was "international class" we really don't have much to look forward to. I'm at a loose end with this lot |
Albri-12
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...When he plays we simply get steamrolled in midfield, he's just too lightweight. And there seems to be this perception about his passing, well hanging 15 yards in front of the defence doing a million 5 yard passes isn't doing anyone any damage. My god. He played 10 mins today and Made 2 brilliant passes from deep. One right through to Ireland who should have scored and the other was to gardner who was given of side when he wasn't. he always wants the ball and he moves it quick. Stan and Clark give us noting, Bannan does. His height really doesn't matter |
b6villa
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... We gave them three goals, 2 pens and 1 hit of thier player, avoidable goals, why can't we never have two good halts of play, we normaly start off good and don't finish too well or start off slow and finish better and we are making the same errors over and over again, when you make a mistake once you would normaly try to put it right the first time so you don't repeat it again |
r0bb0
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... taglor...I'm touched you've missed me! I am moving down to Devon tomorrow so had to take a break from here to pack my stuff. Was there something specific you wanted me to respond to? |
r0bb0
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... frem, I agree that Bannan has he potential to be a very good player and I don't understand why we've not been seeing more of him. He hasn't been injured has he? Let's not go over the top though. He hasn't been good "every time he plays". I have seem him come on a make a real difference in games but he does tend to drift in and out of them. As others, including Damian have said before though, he probably needs a run of games in order to improve his consistency. |
r0bb0
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... frem...one other thing...please stop your Gabby hatred campaign. At half time on Sky the commentator (can't remember who it was) was saying what a threat he'd been in the first half. Your hatred of him blinds you to everything good that he does. |
vp4eva
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... Wonder what Mcleish is making of our squad The players he takes off are usually the ones to hit the door .. if you cant perform in the position then you are out of the team. Should have won but thanks to players who apparently would die for us where was they eh? no heart , nothing |
Randy Learner
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... Football is a funny old game as someone once said. It can work out for you at one club and not at another, it could be the manager, style of football, or even the environment. I think Bannan is an example, i'm sure if the right manager came in or the right style of football was used, he would flourish. A bit like Danny Graham or Grant Holt. Maybe even Forlan. |
Albri-12
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... One of our best games this season was against wigan when we played a Diamond. ---------------------Stan---------------- Bannan----------------------------------Delph ---------------------Ireland-------------- ---------------Bent-------Gabby--------- It worked well. 4 good players able to keep and pass the ball in the midfield. Now AM plays to very defensive midfielders. it has no creativity what so ever. It seems though we will never see Delph again at villa and by the sounds of things Bannan could be off and its a real shame. Players with quality and potential but Am hates them |
Albri-12
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... it was also Gabbys best game, Bent scored and Am ditches it straight after. what a t**t |
vp4eva
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... r0bb0 said: ... frem...one other thing...please stop your Gabby hatred campaign. At half time on Sky the commentator (can't remember who it was) was saying what a threat he'd been in the first half. Your hatred of him blinds you to everything good that he does. BUT ITS HARD NOT TOO THE GUY AS ONLY A BIT OF PACE , DID YOU SEE THE WAY BENT TOOK HES GOAL , THATS WHAT YOU CALL A FINISH .. SOMTHING THAT NEVER COMES FROM THE GUY AND NEVER WILL |
r0bb0
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... frem. You're being a silly boy again. AM gave Delph lots of chances. He clearly wanted him to succeed but if you've been watching Villa you must recognise that his performances were falling short. Hopefully the loan at Leeds will rebuild his confidence and he'll still end up being good for us. As for Bannan, like you, I'm curious about why we're not seeing more of him. |
Albri-12
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...I think Bannan is an example, i'm sure if the right manager came in or the right style of football was used, he would flourish. Martinez ??? I mean he would have Bannan, Gardner, Ireland and Delph playing regular and playing good football with them. Hed get Zoggy at his best as well |
Len
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... I just read about Huttons past,what a piece of work,maybe Macleish is frightened to drop him from the team,should give more of the youngsters a start,after all we have nothing to loose anymore and everything to gain. |
Albri-12
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... Robbo- im being silly. Delph needed a big run of games. he had a horrible Injury and he is a good player but we will never see that if we dont keep playing him. Its AM who is the problem. we have good footballers able to pass and keep a ball but he doesn't use that |
r0bb0
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... vp4eva firstly, no need for upper case...it makes it harder to read. Bent should be a better out and out finisher...it's his sole role. Over the past 4 years only 10 players have been in the top 20 goal scorers more than once and Gabby is one of them. Over that period however you'll find he has also provided many more assists than Bent. I'm not suggesting he's of the calibre of a Rooney or a Van Persie, but they are two of the few truly world class strikers that are playing in the premiership so it would be a very high target to be setting for him. He has improved his game every year and brings more to the team than most of our other players. In the last year he was used as an out and out striker by us he was the 6th highest scorer in the premiership, but despite that I tend to agree with Damian in this point, that he is best utilised as a wide player, cutting in when he can...particularly when we already have an out and out striker like Bent on the team. |
Sasa
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... I think we need to loan out Bannan. We can't have Ireland and Bannan on at the same time. Bannan doesn't do the ugly side of things, too poor at squeezing the space like Ireland does. Also the little man doesn't do much off the ball running, he collects it in space and looks for the forward pass. This is fine if he's Pirlo, but right now he isn't. Whilst Ireland is in form Bannan needs game time elsewhere. I think we need to concentrate on bringing Gardner through, even he sometimes struggles with the body checks but you can see he'll have the strength given a full campaign. |
Albri-12
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... the summer is whats worrying. i think Bent will go, i think ireland would go and i think zoggy would go. then the fact we have some very poor players. Hutton and warnock heading the list, heskey as well. collins will go to, as will petrov, carlos. dont get me wrong we can live with out them ( not bent or ireland ) but its weather or not funds will be to replace them. personally if there is not a take over id go for martinez. AM cant stay. the same s**t defence every bloody week |
TheDiamond
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... No way can you blame the manager for what happened. Sooner or later the players on the pitch have to take responsibility for their performances. Individual schoolboy errors cost us the game, not managerial tactics. I personally think McLeish has been doing okay since early December, but the players have made him look much worse than he is. Let's be honest, unlike recent previous managers, we haven't been too critical of his team selections and some individuals are playing better under McLeish than under other managers; Petrov, Ireland, Gabby. I think a better question is what exactly would you like McLeish to do differently. It's all very well saying "he's unable to teach the team to defend" but we have a back four with a tonne of experience that shouldn't need much coaching. I don't see how their silly mistakes are McLeish's fault. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a McLeish fan and I don't think he's right for the job, but I'm finding it hard to lay too much blame at his feet for the results over the last two months. |
Albri-12
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... we really need better balance to the side. we need full backs who can actually attack and are composed on the ball. we need to start playing our good footballers in the middle. ( bannan, gardner, delph) i mean what harm will it do ?? it will help us more than playing 2 DM's there. we have ireland as a class player in the final 3rd. we need a striker with a bit of everything. height, pace, power and a brain to link up play and to finish moves of, ( Bent and Heskey will go) then finally another winger. it all needs to happen. set up like how spurs do. great balance in there line up. i think martinez could do this, AM wont |
Albri-12
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... sometimes with bent it is like playing with 10 men. look at Ba and Adabuyor. both can finish moves, like Bent, but both can link up and are both strong in the air, unlike bent and i think we need someone like that in the summer, with ireland playing of them. i do love bent and would love him to stay, especially if we could add a Ba type striker as well |
Sasa
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... Just read an article on Hutton 'The last time I spoke to Redknapp, he told me, "I don't want you to train with us any more. I want you to train with the kids". |
dazntu
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... dunne was woeful again today, all he can bluddy do is head the ball is anybody else getting pissed of with him diving in needlessly, i seem to remember he did the same against chelsea on drogba |
paulB
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... 1. Terrible lunging uneccesary tackle by Dunne. (not the first time)GOAL 1 2. Possesion given away too easily, followed by schoolboy defending by Warnock (not the first time) allowing Walcott to walk into our area GOAL2 3. Possesion stupidly given away by Hutton (not the first time) another pointless lunge in the area GOAL 3. I have said before that there has to be some other reason why AMC continues to select these defenders when they have cost us so many goals this season. All other areas have rarely seen the same team play two games running whereas the same old back four (Cuellar excepted) are wheeled out week after week. Whats the reason ? Player power ?. Be interested to hear the views of others. The transfer window closes this week I dont see us doing any business so we are stuck with this back four till the end. |
Albri-12
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... to be fair dunne first half was great. defended well and a nice goal w should see more of. we need that performance more often. second half everyone was terrible, mainly the full backs. hopefully they will be gone in the summer. keep dunne and add 3 or 4 defeners dunne and clark should be our cb partnership |
TrueVillan
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... taglor Just read Lee Hendrie is bankrupt, was earning 24 grand a week, what an absolute knobend I think you will find it wasprobably his knobend that got him into this trouble! |
b6villa
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... The manager and players get paid s**t loads of money and week in week out they put trash out on display, it's not like football is the hardest work you can do, something you dreamted of and enjoy |
b6villa
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... We lost because we have a s**t defence, s**t manager, s**t chairman, so we have no hope, even if we take a lead we don't know how to hold onto it, and are we going to be happy with a win in every four to five games, how many teams would be two goals up and then give it away like that, and these players have played at international level |
Mcw**k Out
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... Dunne actually played well in the first half but second half was s**te. That was a completely stupid challenge he made to give a penalty away. Tho Bents was even worse - what was he doing back there Our fullbacks are pretty awful. Hutton and Warnock need replacing We completely imploded. |
Villamat
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... The reason I believe we lost is because our team cannot play football we can only chase games and scrap out wins, why do u think we hardly ever win by big margins. In today's case we lead by 2 goals which we scored with 2 shots how often does this happen. Exactly. Now we're faced with having too play to win, the difference is we now need to maintain possession which we obviously cannot do hence my point we cannot play football. 1 reason I suggest for this is that we do lack quality players In fact our only real quality player in my opinion is bent and he is crap in our team, simply cause we don't accommodate for his particular style of play which is disappointing cause he easily could be villas top goal scorer ever.i must say this is not AMs fault this would be the fault of our previous manager and our clueless chairman for allowing the manager too sign crap. 2nd is that our manager is s**te simple how can a defender by trade teach a striker to score or a midfielder to pass better it's insane and to be fair no defender turned manager has been successful that I can think of our team have no confidence in what they are doing u can c it in the reactions of the players no one is enjoying themselves villa are in problems this season we will escape relagation but how long does a ship take to sink or better still how long does it take to jump ship when u know it's sinking. |
Villa82
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... seriously how can mcleish justify sellin luke young 2 sign alan hutton. Bosko Balaban was a better signin than hutton!!! he's a liability every time he plays |
Mcw**k Out
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... I think Luke Young just wanted to move back to London. I'm not sure that McLeish wanted to sell him. As for Hutton -yes he has been poor and was again today. I had a Spurs mate who said at the time we signed him that he was surprised they had managed to flog him to another Prem club as he said he was a championship player at best. |
Amo
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... I don't think we can blame AM for the goals But we can blame him for not bringing attacking players who would run and create something Also for playing warnock and hutton when they have theo and the ox we were in trouble before the game even started I hope we don't play like that in march when we go back to the emriates FFS I'm flying from Australia just to watch them play |
SydneyVilla
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... It is so obvious that these players do not want to play for this manager....who f**king would...!!! |
divine_islet1
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... What pisses me off the most after last night's match is that another piece of s**t in our defence,Collins, is going to regain his place in the starting line-up against QPR,if he is fit.I hate to say this,but i think Cuellar should be sold,so that way at least he wouldn't be ruining his career here. |
Winnipeg Villan
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... This loss hurts.First half 2 shots 2 goals.How about moving the ball forward?Arsenal was there for the taking.I am scared about QPR and if we lose to those guys Yike.Get rid of the guys holding our team back.And I will be getting a lot of ribbing from my Liverpool friend tomorrow. |
Harleystaggers
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... McLeish reckons we dont have enough experience and thats why we lost Given : arguably the most experienced keeper in the leauge Hutton : scot international Dunne: : 10+ years as an irish international Cuellar : title winner with Rangers Warnock : former England international Petrov: former bulgaria captain, title winner in scotland Clark : does he quailify as inexperienced? Ireland : 5+ seasons in the premier leauge Keane: 11 clubs, irish international, world cup experience Gabby : England international with 5 seasons under his belt Bent: England international he brought on a young scotland international in Bannan. although I will say that Arsenals bench was much stronger than ours.. |
gmjvilla
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... MClueless said to the players that they had given an International performance in the first half... Does anybody know what an "International Performance" is? Belarus play International class football and no disrepect to Belarus but they're crap  |
steve in ireland
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... We lost because Arsenal are better than us. They tried to win the game. AM's only tactics is to get behind the ball and score on the break. IT WILL TAKE US DOWN. You do not win enough matches playing this way. Our full backs are the worst pairing in the EPL. And our central midfield is non existant, always chasing back after the midfielders who are running straight through at our exposed central defenders. No wonder our centre backs look poor, no cover on the flanks, no cover in front of them and this is with us trying to get 10 men behind the ball. Sh*t players, sh*t manager, sh*t tactics, sh*t effort = sh*t results and relegation. AM should do the decent thing and fall on his sword. I am 59, I have supported this club since birth having been born into a family of Villa supporters going back to the great days when we founded the league. I have never been so disillusioned about the prospects of our club. Even those players who I believe have the club at heart seem to be having the life and breath stiffled out of them by this regime that has been imposed on us as some sort of punishment for daring to to tell our beloved owner that we did not like his choice of umbrellaman. Go now RL sell, go now AM and manage in Scotland where you belong, go now PF you know nothing about how to run a football club let alone a successful one. I for one did not expect to be up at halftime, however I did not expect having got there we would give in as easy as we did. WE are a laughing stock of a club. Now come on all you positive wordsters, give me some positives about only having two shots in the first half, being totally outplayed for 15 minutes and then not having the b*lls to try and put it right. About having a manager who is clueless and about having an owner who is even more clueless than the manager and all those other clueless people he employs. |
ak_27
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... We lost because we have no full backs at this club. Also because we have no DM at this club. Clarke is just not mobile enough to play there. All we had to do coming out for the second half was to keep the score at 2 nil for the first 15mins and any dim wit manager would have done everything in his power to do this. He should have packed the CM with an extra player (Gardner) at HT at the expense of Keane. But typical Villa we manage to conceed 3 goals in that 15mins. You know there is no other club in the PL that would have done that. It was typical Villa and that isn't a dig at AM its actually the norm for this club. We are exceptional at caving in. The best in fact. |
b6villa
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... The Ginger t**t has said take it on the chin and move on, the way you have made us villa fans feel, mct**t you should take it on the chin from all of us and you should move on, players on big money shouldn't be making them comedy errors, you turned us into a poorer team since arriving on top of that you went and bought another comedian in that t**t hutton, what a waste of transfer fee and wages, should of give the younger players a chance because our so called senior players are not doing it on the pitch at the moment. We were leading two nil you Ginger t**t or didn't that register in your thick head at half time |
Harleystaggers
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... Steve in Ireland, you are right Paul Faulkner does know nothing about how to run a football club.. He graduated from cambridge in history before spending 5 years as a relationship manager for MBNA (randy's company) He then went to Villa as a COO then CE.. He had a total of 5 years working experience before getting the top jobs at a huge premier leauge club.. He is not quailified for his role. He is the weakest link in all of Villa's armour. |
VillaNick
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... Is there going to be any fall-out today after that terrible 2nd half performance? No. No-one at the club will do anything, the Manager will still be shuffling about and grunting about nothing much in particular, the owner might catch the higlights on AVTV if he's been bothered to subscribe and the players will either be shopping or playing Xbox. What's it all about? |
bobvillian
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... We lost because of having the worst back4 in prem.Dunne is always a disaster waiting to happen;Warnock and hutton are the worst full-backs in prem;Quellar is the best c/b at villa but looks on the way out of club;Collins is another disaster waiting to happen.All in all disapointing to lose but if you cant keep the ball long enough you are in trouble. |
.vogra
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... If we would've lost 3-0 yesterday for me it would less harder to take that crusing at half time 2-0 up. I had a deep sense of dread when the whistle went for the 2nd half, I just knew deep down in my stomach we'd throw it away, it's the same old story year in year out, when they scored the third goal all i could do is sit there in silence and shake my head for a minute. The seasons over for me, we wont go down only beacuse there's three worser teams in the league than us, and forget getting a place in Europe via the league. We at the moment are a club going through the motions, big changes are need here...big changes, and thats from top to bottom. |
b6villa
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... Mct**t is saying rvp elbowed cuellar, would want the fa to look at it if he did, but sorry you Ginger t**t it didn't lead to a goal so you can't use that for an excuse, you are not good enough and soon you will run out of excuses |
Harleystaggers
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... .Vogra, did you actually shake your head for a full minute? That's a long time to be head shaking, it dosen't it, but it is! |
Rikster
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... For what it is worth, I have to agree with every comment made here about Villas defence. They have been consistently poor all season, Hutton showed us yesterday why Spurs didn't want him - jogging back to defence as he conceded the ball to give Arsenal the second goal (at least Bent tracked back even if his tackle was clumsy). Dunn, as good a player as he was just doesn't have the pace to cut it at premiership level, and Warnock seems to be having a crisis of confidence. Our defence is championship standard at best and I can't believe that having a defender as a manager, that this is not blantantly obvious to him - We simply need a new back 4 and give Shay Given something to work with. All good teams build from the back I have to say that I was surprised at Villas creativity around corners and free kicks, maybe Keano has bought some inspiration from LA In terms of Gabby, in the same ilk as Theo Walcot for my money, his final ball just isn't the finished article. I would love to see Stephen Ireland put in some of the performances that he had at Man City, but quite simply he needs to get his head together Petrov summed up my feelings about the game when he kicked the ball away in disgust after waiting for Bent to react in a goal scoring position (not that I'm criticising Bent after his clinical finish for the second goal) If you throw away a 2 goal advantage you just don't deserve to win the game I'm afraid mid table mediocrity is the best that we can hope for this season, and I can't see anything changing until we replace old warhorses that have had better days and players that aren't proud or hungry enough to wear the Villa shirt.... |
.vogra
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... Harleystaggers .Vogra, did you actually shake your head for a full minute? That's a long time to be head shaking, it dosen't it, but it is! lol...maybe 30 seconds then, the other 30 seconds was shaking my fist at the screen. |
mon 4-5-1
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... The thing I don't get is, if we had played some of the youngsters form the start: Bannan Gardner Lichaj Wiemann Would we have played any worse than what we did? The Clown had put out his most experienced side, which just about sums him up. It was a big match and we did not start with a single youth player. Now, if this Clown stays past the summer I'm fairly sure he will drive out most of hot prospects and bring in more dross like Hutton to replace them, because all his sides are built around players who are in there late twenties early thirties. For all the Keane accolades why would you play a 31 year old when you have someone of the calibre of Bannan sitting on the bench? What does it take for this Clown to realise Clark is best suited at centre half and not defensive midfielder - look what he did with the few minutes he had in that position against Bristol Rovers. The only thing I am happy about at the moment is there will be no transfer funds given to him, now, or in the summer by which time he should have been shown the exit door. The TeamTalk ============ I'd love to have been a fly on the wall to have listened to the team talk at half time!! I hear Van Persie was involved in the team talk at half time for Arsenal, where was our leader Captain Marvel Mr Petrov? Where manger-less and Captain-less and looking like headless chickens once any team turns up the heat against us. We have no style of play, no plan A,B,C. The only plan we seem to have is the manager waving his arms up and down like a monkey when things are not going well, ranting away at the youngsters when, he really should be looking at the senior players and holding them accountable for our current predicament. He should also be looking in the mirror at him own performances as a manager and asking himself, am I producing the best out of this team with the resources at my disposal - the answer for anyone to see with a ounce of football knowledge is a clear NO!! The Clown McLeish out now. |
In Alex We Trust
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... Respect to Ciaran Clark and Barry Bannan. The only two players to come over at the end and applaud the fans. Thanks lads. The future of our club. |
pazzler
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... we must be getting better. we were ahead at half time. usually we are hardly ever in the game from kick off! one step at a time peeps! |
holte ender in Aldridge
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... One word - Hutton! Worse that useless De La Cruz. I hated when Cuellar play at RB but get him back there! |
Daz
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... Bannan knows he deserves to be playing. look when he come on, he picked out irelands run, it was a shame ireland never had a go at goal. Bannan's vision is sublime apart from ireland, there is no other player at the club like that. Why does ppl keep defending Gabby? He hasnt got a football brain and has no trickery. He is quick which is great but give him time to think when 1 on 1 and he cocks it up. i agree he is out of position, but ppl fail to realize you need an end product to be classed as a decent player. Gabby hasnt got that end product on the wing or upfront. |
Daz
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... I prefer Gabby as a striekr but im sorry he wouldnt be in my 11 as he isnt prolific and hasnt got the brains to make clever runs to school 20 goals. He will be another Luke Moore & Darius Vassell, just lacks a football brain and will be a nearly man. |
Aero-4-Villa
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... I have absolutely no idea why Lichaj isnt starting at right back. Quality player. He completely took Bale out of the game when he played against Spurs last year and was consistently one of the best players on the pitch when he went on loan to Leeds. Hes already miles better than that tw*t Hutton, and hes still young with plenty to learn. McLeish needs to swallow his f*cking pride and drop Hutton now. Lichaj needs to be given a proper chance. |
vp4eva
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... Daz said: ... I prefer Gabby as a striekr but im sorry he wouldnt be in my 11 as he isnt prolific and hasnt got the brains to make clever runs to school 20 goals. He will be another Luke Moore & Darius Vassell, just lacks a football brain and will be a nearly man. I AGREE GABBY IS JUST TAKING UP THE SPACE IN OUR TEAM WHEN OTHERS COULD GET A CHANCE TO SHOW WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR OUR TEAM . |
stevey
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... managers fault when your winning 2-0 at arsenal you know second half they gonna throw the kitchen sink at ya so put a extra man in midfield sunday league tactics Mclesh out a.s.a.p |
Roger Evans IN CYPRUS
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... ALL THESE FAN COMMENTS CANT BE WRONG ABOUT HUTTON NOT ONLY VILLAS WORST PLAYER EVER BUT HE IS UGLY |
Fatkv
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...I thought we were international class in the first Who is he kidding How about naming the clown he signed he would if it was a kid |
Fatkv
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... rl the clown will read managerreport "I thought we were international class in the first half " and think we are improving as he believed his CV. TOSSER |
In Alex We Trust
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... An extra man would have been irrelevant. Even Football Manager isn't that simple. We got overrun on the wings and unlocked by individual defensive errors. After the 10 minute blitz, we actually got the ball back quite abit and then created some decent chances to get back to parity (Bent header, Petrov from a few yards and Ireland breaking free). |
Aah Tea
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... So depressing. RL apptd Houllier (2nd worst PL mgr after Benitez) then after luckily getting rid, appts a second rate blue nose who makes Houllier look like a mastermind! RL is the new Deadly but without the balls, and without decent advice around him. Hutton looked 2nd rate purchase at the time and looks much worse now. Failure started when MON only achieved 6/6/6 instead of 6/5/4. Then the GH shambles put pay to any chance of keeping Ashley Young on top of losing Barry & Milner, followed by Downing voting with his feet. So now we have Bent wasted for want of supply, scoring half what he did (nearly a goal a game last season, remember?) I saw WBA at VP last season and vowed never to go again till there is clear progress. Only progress is backward. Randy, sort it out (sack AMcC & SPEND!) or sell up while you still have a PL club or your asset value will go down the toilet. |
divine_islet1
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... Where are all those now that were blaming GH for our abysmal performances last season?Those who were blaming GH for the likes of Collins,Warnock,and Dunne being largely responsible for our defeats with those appalling mistakes in defence? |
Craigy1874
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... Here I am, whats your point? there are some muppets on here - what about vp4eva, surely a clown if every if read one! |
villarobin
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... I went to the game yesterday for the first time in ages and i have to say i thoroughly enjoyed it, away fans are amazing and Arsenal fans should be ashamed, you literally didnt know anyone was there until they scored. We are losing because our defenders , namely Hutton, Warnock and Dunne make the most ridiculous lunging challenges again and again and again. Dunne is a great defender but this aspect of his game lets him down, probably because he is losing his pace. Even Warnock shows moments of purs class but he is a headless chicken. Hutton is just awful. |
25yardDalian
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... Simple we had half a team of good players on the park. The remainder are average or poor and will always be exposed to any reasonable team. We are simply not good enough to carry players in our team. Surely even a manger of mcclueless limited standards must write all the players down by position then CLEARLY SEE where we need strengthening - and that starts from last summer when he walked in the door. The window will pass as was exposed with no new additions, the season is over - challenge for 10th at best or relegation dogfight at worst. What happens this summer is key for the future of AVFC - owner, manager then finally players |
COLKESSIEVILLA
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... Lack of Decent Football team EMBARRASING Lack of decent Manager EMBARRASING Lack of Investment EMBARRASING Randy Lerner EMBARRASING |
Jane
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... Please please can anyone tell me why Barry Bannan is finding it so difficult to get into a very poor mid field?? Why are we playing Keiron Clarke in the mid field when Barry sits on the bench?????? Barry came on on sunday and set up 2 goal opportunities almost immediatly.......... |
Damian
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... Jane sadly, our manager doesn't know quality when it is sitting right next to him he is a manager that doesn't want to lose and when you dont want to lose you play bigger players. managers that want to win, play players that create chances it is the mcleish way |
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