Saturday, 21 January 2012 17:56
How do I start? I'm not going to go into the we will always win one in four with this manager or that this a match we were always going to win, I'm going to go with the Robbie Keane angle.
You see, he stared for us today for the first time and he won us the game - there is nothing else to say about it. It wasn't the football or the tactics, it was Robbie Keane with two goals from outside the box.
I'd like to be able to tell you that it was the tactics though, but we all know that isn't going to change, so I'm going to tell you why it was Robbie Keane; he is quality and he isn't a striker.
Robbie Keane just has it, a natural ability to play football and what he has you can't teach and you can't pass on - it is just natural and today, he showed us it and won us the game.
The Dirty Dingle
And as this is a short post just to tell you we won, I'm going to leave it soon, but I just want to mention Karl Henry - the dirty dirty player that deserves more than the three match ban he is going to get.
You see, he had a tussle with Albrighton and pretty much put him to the ground and held him down. As he was walking away, he used his heel to kick Albrighton in the chest, on purpose and very much intending to hurt him.
It was dirty and it sums him up and the Wolves supporters then on booed Albrighton - just going to show them for what they are too.
Dinner and more football
So now I leave you, in a good mood, as the wife has dinner on the table and there is another match starting soon. Oh, I love a Saturday when we win. #mcleishout - you know it makes sense.
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patrick gooheen
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... what happens when keane is gone, we would lost it 2day if we dident have him |
windofchange
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... Great win, surely this proves we need a decent forward who can carry on when Keane goes bak to the states. But credit where its due a very good and welcome win. |
John Salter
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... Good 3 points and I'm sure people will rave about Keane's 2 goals, the second of which was a cracker but his passing was poor. Good result and Villa deserved it in the 2 half. |
divine_islet1
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... If it wasn't for the class of Robbo we would have surely lost this one,even with the extra man advantage.We still don't know what to do with a football at our feet.Gardner,Bannan and Ireland should be starting for us in midfield every game. |
Wayne Gillespie
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... Well done Alex Mcleish. Got a player in on loan, got 3 points. Give him some credit. |
HT Sweden
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... We played really nice footy today, i like the many passes in the middle. More of that please! |
bobvillian
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... I will hold my hand up i throught we would be murdered but down to keane we came through;but dont let this disguise how poor we are. |
joevilla
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... So all credit Keane eh? Who do you think brought him to the club? I dislike Eck but this was the right loan at the right time clearly. |
Cheer Up Lads
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... If Keano hadn't played, someone would have taken his place and maybe scored instead. Wolves bossed the midfield after our goal with Frimpong showing why he will be a class act for years to come. Overall though, I thought we looked decent. After our goal and the poor defending for Kightlys goal, we sank into a negative shell for abit and let in another daft corner, but second half we stepped it up and went for the win. Bent doesnt look on the same wavelength as the rest of the team, but he would have scored 2 today if Weimann had abit more composure, He had only been on for 3 minutes though so we'll give him a break. Gardner proving he has what it takes. Future star, and Clark looked relatively assured too. |
blocked blogger
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... previous post 0-0 bore draw, how wrong was i actually i am glad AM proved me wrong i seen today a match where we showed fight n guts thats all i ask for as a villa fan great game very entertaining robbie keane proves what experience can bring into the squad took his chances well fantastic strike for the winner very very happy its all about the result not even going into the tactics individual formations i will save that for another time we actually showed some fighting spirit & bravery great confidence booster well done aston villa now i can watch match of the day with a smile on my face |
Rob_The_Villain
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... I think we should give McLeish some credit for this win, he made some good calls, still hate him though! Dropping Warnock - giving him a much needed kick up the arse, much improved when he came on. Playing Gardner when he could have easily chucked someone else in. Starting Keane when he could've just moved Gabby up with Bent. That was an absolutely massive win though! |
taglor
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... Seeing AMc's smug face at the final whistle ruined the score for me. Wolves are abysmal abd we only got the winner because they had a man sent of but grinning morons will think we've turned into Barcelona. If you're happy with AMc and his football then you're welcome to it because i'm sick to the stomach of being in the middle of nowhere as a club where we will remain |
Sasa
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... I couldn't help myself, so started to watch the stream again, I turned off, and bang Keane scores again. So as long as I don't watch, we get a result. 8 more points and I think that should be enough, however just in case one of the bottom 3 go on a run, I think another 11 points will ensure survival. When this is done the ST holders must join our AM OUT bandwagon. You know what you need to do. |
Dubai_Villain
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... Great game, entertaining and high tempo.... Best thing was the fight we showed, Bent ran and ran and we closed them down in their own half. Gardener MOM for me, but obviously Robbie with 2 great strikes was great... Let's hope this is finally the result that kicks the, into a run!!!!! |
russ
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... Clark moving into the midfield changed the game. well done Warnock was lucky not to be sent off. |
Elmo Grub
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... Fairplay to Keane. I wasn't expecting him to make a massive impact but I've been proved wrong. Hopefully it isn't just the return to the old club thing. Unfair on the football/tactics in my opinion Damian. We tried to pass it around and kept it on the floor a hell of a lot better than usual. The sub of Gabby though forced made a difference too and changed things for the better limiting their wingers and midfield. The entertainment value was much better. The players showed passion and determination so lacking against Everton. It's a vast improvement from last week both in the result and the performance. No this doesn't mean that AM is magically OK but it's a hell of an improvement. On Henry he's a filthy player and hopefully he will have the ban extended. |
windofchange
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... Not happy with AMc or his football but i'm the moon with a win and that will do for now. |
HT Sweden
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... Taglor ok, it wasnt great all the time, i give you that, but i saw some intentions with good passes. Not Barcelona but... |
joevilla
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... Frimpong off changed things but this derby needed a winner and it was us. CG looked solid. Would have left Keane on though... |
divine_islet1
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... Now what are the odds that we play as badly against QPR as we did against Swanswea? |
.vogra
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... A local derby,AMAC must have let rip at half time, he made the right changes at half time even though I thought he was having a giraffe, Massive win, credit to AMAC here...for now |
taglor
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... Fair enough HT sweded, I just hate the fact we beat a 10 man team and AMc will act as though we were amazing when in fact we were terrible 1st half and lucky they had a player sent off 2cnd. It alos means less chance the ginger liar will be sacked and that makes me so depressed. |
divine_islet1
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... The 3 reasons we won were - Frimpong getting injured,Karl Henry getting sent off,and Keano the matchwinner. |
Sasa
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... Interesting looking at the league, a lot of teams' home form is awful. AM is very lucky it's a poor league outside of Man City this season. Outside of the shocking results against West Brom and Swansea we've been battered only by the CL chasing clubs. Except for Chelsea, which we can say, we swap with Swansea defeat in terms of points achieved. Watch out for the AM spin, he'll be saying that once he turns the draws into wins, Villa would be a top 6 chasing side. But we all know he loves to minimise losses, that's why we need him out. He is under utilising our talent going forward and has messed up the defence. |
eoin1981
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... When we lose its 100% AMcL's fault. We won today and he gets no praise. We scored 3 goals away from home. We won a derby. HIS loan signing scored 2 crackers. Clarke, Albrighton and Gardner all started.... Well done Alex. Well done Robbie. Great win. |
seanbeag
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... Just want to say well done the lads wish we could bring some of our away form to Villa Park unbeaten in six away apparently UTV |
mooseman
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... We were fortunate today. Wolves played better football than us and were unlucky not to get at least a point. I have to feel a bit sorry for McCarthy and I hope they stay up. What I cant understand is the way we played for most of the match. I do understand that when under pressure at the back, sometimes it;s a good plan to hoof the ball out to relieve the pressure. But why do this when we have possession of the ball in the midfield with no pressure. This is especially puzzling when we have someone like Keane on the park who is looking for distribution out of the back or midfield, yet hardly saw the ball except to score twice. Thank God for that. I was one who moaned about Warnock's introduction, but I have to say that he kept their big threat, Kightly, under much tighter control than before. RK MOTM by a mile. |
Sasa
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... Eoin you're right, but we need to create an environment where there is complete hostility towards AM. Any signs of weakness by the fans and he'll get an extension to his 3 yr contract. This is a poor bootom half this season, we have far better players than Wolves and a lot of the other s**t down there. In a few year's time we might not be so lucky being graced with such 5hite, and that's when AM's 3rd relegation on his CV will strike. I have said it before though, on paper, AM's signings are not that woeful, even his Gers signings weren't bad. He's just anti-football and I want him out. |
Len
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... I am really glad that we won today,and I would like it to carry on,but I am afraid that it won't,I think that is because as supporters we don't have the confidence in our manager.It would be nice for him to prove us wrong because we need the stability after MON leaving so suddenly and the farce of last season. I think that the players need to show commitment every match,even if they don't win but put in a good shift,then maybe we would have a season ticket next season,but somehow I don't think it will carry on,it is terrible the lack of optimism,but we will see what happens. Will we keep players or be selling by the end of January? If Lerner has an offer for a player I am sure he will sell,this also destroys my optimism and I think that he is the problem with our club,we have an owner who is no longer bothered,this must come down to the players(the lack of ambition)and therefore we will never attract a top class manager or players.I hope that we can hold onto our young players as the base for our future,I am sure the wage bill will be cut at the end of the season as Lerner cashes in yet again,no doubt he will give himself a healthy pay packet,but as the revenue drops he might see that his policy is wrong. I am looking forward to seeing the match on Sky,and I hope that Keane can help our strikers,and that McCleish does do well and we play great football for the rest of the season.Well done Villa. |
Dee
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... Totally agree with you Taglor.the 1st half was shocking.wolves should have had 3 or 4 whereas we had to rely on another penalty. keane's goals came out of nothing. it had nothing to do with quality football. if frimpong and henry had stayed on it would have petered out to a draw. mccrap is a useless tool. this is not progress, it's simply a win which we were due and a huge slice of good fortune. it beggars belief how villa fans settle for mediocrity. beating wolves should merely be seen as another day at the office.FFS look at our away record against them! |
dingbat
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... Great result (I drink in a pub full of dogheads!) Performance on the other hand?? One suggestion for our esteemed leader. Forget massages and gym work get them out on the pitch practicing first touch and passing cause ours are awful! |
villa1
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... villa were great until we scored the goal, then we fell apart. wolves (michael kightly) ripped us apart from then on until 2-1. then i switched off. so im bloody delighted to just find out that we won  i was expecting relegation when i switched off. now i think we will just about stay up. |
Robbie Keane's Tremendous Ford Anglia
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... Huge win today. These are the games that will count at the end of the season. |
av badger
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... Great result today,I know it does not hide the fact how we all feel about A.M,but at least il be able to sit down and look forward to match of the day later!how different saturday night feels with a win,probably won't last long with that winning feeling but I'm going to enjoy it tonight!time for a beer,U.T.V |
Albri-12
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... Big three points but we are still a very poor side. Thats why i wanted Keane all these years. Good, clever player unlike all our other strikers. |
Albri-12
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... AM still has to go. Like the look of Gardner but he will wont play next week. Warnock will be back in at LB with clark in CM |
monkeyman
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... well done AM started gary gardner.well done the villa. Got to follow up with a win against qpr. |
Archie01
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... Just reading the comments on here makes me realise what a poor set of "supporters" we really are, so obsessed with Mcleish that we can't even win without a torrent of negativity! It is getting boring now this anti Mcleish stuff! As a season ticket holder of 20 years I can honestly say I am starting to not enjoy going down villa park, the football is bad, granted. But our support, or lack of it, is just as bad. We cannot wait to get stuck into our own players, make them so scared to make a mistake they don't want the ball or will play simple no risk passes. This all stems from the fact we can't grow up and accept mcleish is our manager. Away from home our support is fantastic, positive and loud, we actually give our players support and an opportunity to play. Now Mcleish signed Keane, you all thought it was a bad idea, he starts, scores 2 and it's nothing to do with the manager, you sound like spoilt kids. We all wanted Gary Gardner to start, he did today, still not good enough?, he dropped Warnock, was that wrong too? Oh yeah, we won the game! Let's forget who the manager is and support the team through thick and thin, let's not forget the real reason why we have had the 2 poorest seasons I can remember, this manager didn't request to reduce the wage bill or sell around 10 players of which many were first team regulars. If any other manager was there we would be saying, "what can he do his hands are tied" or "what a master stroke getting in Robbie Keane" or if Doug Ellis was still there we would be blaming him. Bottom line is we are Aston Villa Supporters, let's do our job at Villa park and stop being obsessed with the manager, give credit when it's due and boo at the final whistle if you want when we lose! |
villaman
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... Good post Archie01, I think a lot of supporters including myself get a little bit carried away with our emotions. Its hard to support Mcleish but his going nowhere so I guess WE all have too. If not then support another team. |
bobvillian
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... Dont let the scoreline fool you;it hinged on the sending off and with frimpong going off who ran the midfield until then.2 great goals from keane but our back-4 are really useless and they all need replacing.How many more goals do we have to concede from set-pieces and corners for the muppet to act. |
Albri-12
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... It sucks Keane is only here for another 5 games. the thing is by Next season, keane and Bent wont be at villa, nor will Heskey so thats money needed on at least 3 strikers that Randy doesn't want to spend so how do we replace them ?? Add that to our very poor defence. We need to replace Hutton and warnock. Lichaj can replace Hutton. Our CB are piss poor. Another Goal from set plays today. Then we only have 2 wingers of which have been fairly poor so money needs to spent there and also maybe in CM with Delph going, stan getting old and Jenas back to spurs. Randy doesn't want to spend money but the come the summer we will have to |
Cheer Up Lads
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... Wise words from Archie. But its like beating your head against a brick wall here trying to offer a scrap of positivity. McLeish got tactics right today, both teams suffered from an injury Frimpong, Gabby) and ultimately we prevailed. Were the better team in the second half before the red and it eventually showed. I'm proud of the team today. Albrighton, Clark, Bannan, Weimann, Gardner all on the pitch at some point. The future is bright. |
Advilla
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... People keep asking why we dont perform at, it's because of the oppreissive hostile atmosphere created by our despond supporters. Gardener won't play against qpr, good management! Don't subject the kid or kids to that, that's why gardeners appearencies have all been away, good management, he's protecting the kids. Perhaps if all you whiners & moaners put am to the side and support the team, then maybe we would see more of our super kids get more pitch time at villa park. At the moment they would get slaughtered if they failed to win just because am is manager. As far as the midfield is concerned, the sooner petrol is left out the better. Slow negative back passing average player, can't knock his work rate, but as a mid-fielder you have to be progressive and have legs, as gardener was today. Robbin Keane, form is temporary class is perminant!!! We have a really good finisher waiting in the wings.........any Weimar, again needs to be protected from our own supporters, but his time will come, given the chance Great win today massive 3 points, played some good football at times, we can play, need more confidence on the ball, and more paticiance from our supporters. Come on you lions!!!.......oh! And for all you so called supporters......KEEP RIGHT ON!!! |
jeremiah
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... Not a McLeish fan, but this bears mentioning: After 22 matches: 2010-11 5w 7d 10l - 22 points 2011-12 6w 9d 7l - 27 points Is McLeish the answer? No. Is he any worse than Houllier? No. |
jeremiah
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... One more thought: McLeish isn't getting fired this season. If you're cheering for us to lose in hopes that he does (and some Villa supporters are), then go support the Blues. |
villa1
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... jeremiah - i wasnt gh's biggest fan but 6 of those 22, he wasnt in charge. and as damian always says, he was thru straight into it, mcleish had 2 months to prepare. |
villa1
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... how clint dempsey is still a fulham player ill never know. id love him at villa and he is exactly the type of player chelsea, liverpool and arsenal could do with. even man u to an extent. |
Archie01
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... This comment is taken from Marc Albrightons twitter feed: "@MarcAlbrighton: Keanooo, theres only one keanoooooo! What a player! Come on you villa boys! Great atmosphere! Away fans were brilliant! #LoveDerbys #UTV" Let's see them commenting on the home support  |
ftkvs
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...Not happy with AMc or his football but i'm the moon with a win and that will do for now. Just Ad RL & PF to AMc 100% |
25yardDalian
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... The pivotal reasons we won were mentioned above by Divine Islet and a few other ... The 3 reasons we won were - Frimpong getting injured,Karl Henry getting sent off,and Keano the matchwinner. However it has to be said the FANS today were brilliant - 12th Man for sure, the players definataly react to it, whereas at home with so much negativity they are playing 'hot potato' with the ball fearing a mistake. Did anyone else notice that DB and GA where petulant towards the players in the first half? chasing the usual HOOFS, GA was def sick pre-match but I have a feeling that this combined with the need to control Kightly was a reason for his half time change. |
25yardDalian
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... Agreed, Frimpong bossed the match until the injury, creative, strong in the tackle, break down plays, attacking - Petrov was chasing his shadow all day |
paulB
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... Great win and a very important one. Credit to McLeish he changed it at half time and we improved. However I really think he needs to add defenders to the squad in this window. With the recent performances of Ireland and today Gardener midfield is not a priority. We must sign a left back as a matter of urgency and another centre back. We cannot continue to leak goals from these positions. Congrats to the team today and I have to say it to AMac as well. |
.vogra
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... Heres Keanes winner....Boooooooooom, have some of that http://videos.sapo.pt/IPrVz1hBhZdzojSWYVSl |
Damian
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... jeremiah if you are going to use the 22 match thing, look at 22 matches with houllier - not the first 22 then factor in the no pre-season and only the january transfer window having no pre-season is a massive factor and he only started a good few games into the season and houllier also very quickly saw what our problems were and they are simple: dunne and collins and warnock are not the future and gabby isn't a striker he also had tremendous pulling power in the transfer market. could mcleish sign a player like bent or makoun? simple answer is no .. my point: it isn't fair to compare 22 games under mcleish with aston villa after 22 games last season |
Albri-12
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... King carlos hinting he could be of this month. Real real shame. Collins and Dunne are utter tripe but he still cant get a game. Maybe we will go for Scott Dann but we need a winger more than anything |
Albri-12
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... G Gardner saying he wants to play every game for AVFC weather its youth, reserves of first team. AM please keep him playing. Class act and villa through and through |
Birdy
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... It was a great win today against a poor wolves team that for 25 minutes of the first half totally out played us. Clarke at full back was never going to work against a player with pace. Garner looked steady, did his job well but for god sake why oh why oh why does mcleish still persists in playing petrov, two centre halts a decent right back please and some added quality in the middle of the park |
lucky4
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... I see mcleish says he wants to sign keane permanently if possible! I thought we had no money for wages? He wouldnt come back anyway because he is enjoying it in america. To be honest we could do with someone like keane because he offers something different. Last year bent came in january to save us from the drop and now keane has come this january and hopefully will do the same! |
Albri-12
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... i cant really see where we will go from in the summer. first step AM has to go. then from there, there are big issues with our squad. 3 strikers we have now will all be gone so big money needs to be spent there. then on the wings money needs to be spent ( kightly ??) then in CM. delph will be gone, petrov will be of to sunderland, jenas to spurs and herd isn't a CM so money needs to spent then but we do have gardner and bannan. then our truly awful defence. lichal has to play, clark has to play as a CB and then we need a LB and at least 1 CB if not 2. our squad should be having a massive over hall in the summer but randy dont want to spend |
Rob_The_Villain
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... Looks like Cuellar will be off this month. I think most fans never understood why he's never been a 1st choice CB but when 3 different managers (MON, GH & AM) don't pick him then there must be more to it. |
Misterp
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... Just read cuellars twitter disappointed to say the least. Life isnt fair when we have calamity dunne and good it Collins staying. To the game well done to the fans great voice and well done on the 3 points I think petrovs time is over Gardner and the kids are the way forward. Also anyone know where nzogbia was |
gmjvilla
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... Pleased we won... Really cant see us being relegated now... too many s**t teams in this league  I must say it was a bold line up from mclueless... i reckon randy gave him the green light to bench warnock but Clark's got no pace so struggled. It was great too see GG get a start... He adds balance and poise to our midfield. I'll say it again he is our very own Stevie G but will need time. And Wolves... what can I say... a case of Good, the Bad and the Ugly... How Good was Frimpong? Why did we not snap him up? He will be an immense player for the Arse. The Bad is Karl Henry... The Beast of the Black Country... If i was head of the FA i would ban him for life because of the things he has and will most likely do... And then there's the Uglies... Did you see the managers on the touchline? It was like watching hunchback of notre dame...  |
Dublinvillain
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... When keane is on it he's on it form is tempory class is permanent! If we had of won 7 nil today u guys would complain! |
ordinaryjoe
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... good to see at least FKev on here - good on yer FK ! - I rarely agree with your constant negative postings but always admire your raw honesty. Where are all those others who put up all those "doom, gloom, doom, definitely already relegated, gloom, doom" postings? I am a bit drunk now so I dont care! "youre not moaning anymore, your not moaning any - more!" |
Albri-12
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... in the summer we should be looking to get fletcher, mosses and kightly to heal our attack. bent will go, as will heskey. maybe keane might want to sign as well. |
Some Random American
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... 0 votes for Bent even though he started us off. Can't say I'm surprised though. I almost feel bad for him, but he simply doesn't belong here. |
Cheer Up Lads
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... So let me get this right... reasons we won for some of you were.... 1. wolves best player got injured. 2. their useless player got himself sent off. 3. one of our class players scored a worldie. and......? thats football. its unpredictable. frimpong is a great player, but is young and rash, evidenced by his flying headbutt when you probably wouldn't see any experienced player going in for something like that. keane is our player and scored. thats his job, and what Big Eck brought him in to do. looks like its already an asute signing. before you leap to slate just have a think about whats really going on. McLeish says to the press he is under no pressure to play Keane from the start, and some of you get angry about the waste of money etc. etc. It's good management. It gets players something to think about. It gives Keane motivation in training to work hard. It gives McCarthey something extra to wonder about when he is coming up with tactics. Dropping Warnock. Again, good management. He has been poor recently and needed to know he wasn't safe. He responded with the best 2nd half I've seen from him since MON left. At half time some of you were raging that he had been brought on, getting it wrong thinking Alex was leaving Clark out to dry. Not true. Think before you rant. Alex is beginning to turn us round, and the sooner some of you accept that he isn't going anywhere until at least another year the better. Lets all be a united team again. Someone above makes a great point about Gardner probably being left out at home. It's spot on. Why subject a promising young talent to the baying mob these days at Villa Park? Look what it did to the confidence of Fabian Delph when he got about 8 starts in a row. |
STE JIM
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... Keane got two cracking goals for us and showed his class but i thought it was a good game for us. We were positive and i hate to say it but mcleish has a hand in that. Hopefully we can build on it. |
villa1
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...letcher, mosses and kightly get a grip frem, your just picking players who motd pundits say are doing well. will be a different 3 next week. |
villaruss
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... 6 games unbeaten away now.what does that say.we have got to support the team at home more.our home form is awful and thats down to us.we put too much pressure on the lads.f**k mcleish nd get behind the boys.its that easy |
Albri-12
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... villa1- fletcher has been a decent player since he arrived in the prem and has scored 8 goals in 11 for wolves. not bad going. mosses has been decent all season and kightly was bid for my inter a few seasons back. its not just today i suddenly thought there good players but kightly was impressive today, fletcher has been all season and mosses has alot of potential. this is the level of players we will be getting and i dont think it would be to bad if we did |
villa1
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... i like albrighton, but he looked a t**t the way he reacted when henry 'kicked' him. am should have a word with him about that. |
Cheer Up Lads
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... Fletcher would be a decent buy, similar to Keane in some respects. Moses is a player I like to, but Kightly had a good first half, scored a relatively simple goal, then got shackled by Warnock in the second half. Not good enough for me. Nzogbia must be chomping at the bit to get back involved. The team have shown they can win without him and Marc has taken his place effectively. |
villa1
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... frem - you do usually tend to pick 3 players each week that you would like us to buy tho, and they are usually the players that the press decide to link us with or players from teams who we play against. |
Leroy
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...Archie01 said: I think most of us are happy with three points, but again, i will stress how we actually managed it today. We were dreadful in the first half, i mean if Wolves could finish they would have had 4 or 5. Back four was under siege for the majority of the first half and looked out of depth right across the back four. Second half we didnt exactly set it on fire either. Look back to any of our matches in which we have won and you will find that one player has done it for us. Early in the season it was Gabby, once or twice Bent, more recently Ireland, and today it was Keane. There is still no linking up through the midfield. Lets be fair, if Henry wasnt an idiot and Frimpong wasnt injured we most likely wouldnt have gotten anything from it today (and didnt deserve to). Thats only being realistic. Keane does seem to have had a positive impact on team morale i would say. Every player congratulated him thoroughly after each goal....havnt seen that for a long while, but again, maybe thats because we dont score many goals nowadays. |
Cantbebothered
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... Great 3 points, we got lucky for a change everything went our way but still got outplayed by a poor side for long periods, frimpong kept it simple has a good touch and his passes go to people's feet very much like mackoun and very much the opposite of Petrov. Gardener,Ireland,Mackoun,Clarke are all players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet would be interesting to see how they would all link up together, saw Ireland and mackoun together at Walsall pre season and both looked different class, next thing you know mackoun was gone and Ireland benched, I doubt we will ever see those four on the same team sheet but if only! |
AussieLion
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... Pretty impressed by Gardner, first time I've seen him play and he played well with a good passing game. However, our midfield can't function as it was yesterday. We need a 3 man midfield with Petrov out and Gardner, Herd and Bannan/Ireland in. Also good to see so many young players on the field. If we keep Gardner,Herd, Bannan, Clarke, Albrighton, Gabby and possibly Weimann/Fonz and get in a decent manager we do have a bright future. |
Mcw**k Out
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... In most of first half could have been easily 6-1 down. It was frightening how many chances they had and we were again very s**t and sitting deep again during that period. Frimpong getting injured turned the game. Keane was good , looked sharp and his second goal was exceptional. Wish we had signed him 12 years ago. Starting Gardner was a good decision by McLeish and a surprise. But we were awful in parts of first half and whilst this win is very welcome (6 wins in 22 games says it all) it did seem to mask over some real problems. McLeish's subs decisions were again forced upon him rather than inspired. We have not managed a back to back win all season under McLeish - wins are like hens teeth under hime - ie- RARE. Galvanise something from this win today hopefully but id put no money on it. |
washwoodvilla
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... for me, the only thing keane done was score, the rest of his game was s**t, his passing was very poor, pleased we won but more pleased for gardener......utv. |
mandurah villa
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... lucky villa, vital points yes indeed we will take them all unconvincing may be ,frimpongs injury was the turning point we looked dead and buried before that incident.. when will mcnaff start the team with players in there strongest positions ciaran (good central midfield defence) r/b no . we all saw him struggle in that position in prev games lacking pace he was well exposed. lets have a look at stevens or baker. why did marc carry on like he was harpooned in the chest o.t.t yes obvious red card but really marc no need for dramatics. cracking two goals from keano gary g what a talent.. looking forward to the qpr game lets hope its not ground hog day after the chelsea game.. come on you lions! |
Steveo
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... washwoodvilla, agree with you about keane his general play wasn't great, his goals were fantastic tho, and has paid his loan fee off already. I've got to give collins some credit, not his biggest fan but thought he was outstanding yesterday. as to warnock i've stated before that i think he is the worst left back we have ever had, but he came on second half and did 100% better job than what clark was doing, lets hope this win now stops frem from saying were gonna get relegated |
Headologist
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... Another Muckleish Masterclass 1 Get their best player injured 2 Get their worst player sent off 3 Be forced into changing a redundant [through lack of service] Agbonlahor for another midfielder 4 Get a loanee to score a wondergoal 5 Avoid being 1-4 down at half time by sheer luck Well done 6 Taxi for Muckleish |
frosty
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... An educated viewpoint if anyone can be bothered to drag their knuckles off the floor: http://www.expressandstar.com/...appy-fans/ Just reading the comments on here makes me realise what a poor set of "supporters" we really are, so obsessed with Mcleish that we can't even win without a torrent of negativity! It's not worth asking cavemen if they like Italian food, but appreciate the irony.. the "fans" who keep poisoning the club with the old "hes s**t, we're s**t, we're going down, I'm not attending, I hope we lose" comments then suggest if you don't follow this path your accepting mediocracy. There is no alternative, Damian will continue to make money out of Aston Villa with negative blog titles that attract attention to his ppc advertising, Randy will continue to make money out of Villa because he's a business man and we will just have to deal with it. |
Dr. Villa
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... Great 3 points, but the team and Mcleish must really take serious look at why after going 1-0 up early in the game, we let Wolves throw the kitchen sink at us for the rest of the 1st half. We were very lucky there. Some great saves again from Given saved us from embarassment. So we won, and a win is a win whichever way you look at it, but there are still big problems Mcleish must sort out quickly...or leave. |
davidc
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... 3-2 away from home. I'll take that very much thank you. McCleish isn't the long-term answer. But credit where its due - he's sorted out our away form. We're tough to beat away from home. For that he deserves credit. 'Just' the home form to resolve now A good weekend: Good result Another youngster blooded (Gardner) Clarke got a start. Warnock got dropped and a kick up the arse. Two goals for a debutant. No complaints from me. so no complaints from me. |
bobvillian
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... Dont get me wrong i am pleased to get the win but dont let this clould your judgement on the team.If frimpong stayed on for rest of game we would not have won game.That first half was a battering from wolves and we could have been 4-1 down;our compleat defence needs replacing except given to much ball watching and simply put they are not premership quality.Gardner did o/k got in the box should have scored with header.Got a feeling n"zob has thrown his toys out the pram and it would not supprise me if he wants out. |
Steveo
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... if frimpong hadn't got, if henry hadn't stamped albrighton, if wolves had scored there chances.... a lot IF's guys  |
GabbyisNOTmylovechild
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... I am in no way a Mct**t fan but credit where it is due for playing GG dropping SW and I admit I was against the signing of RK but he took his goals well, his distribution was appalling tho'. Up the Villa! |
cypriotvilla
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... if frimpong hadn't got, if henry hadn't stamped albrighton, if wolves had scored there chances.... a lot IF's guyssmilies/cry.gif IF IF my Gran had balls i would call her Grandad |
Leroy
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... Frosty _ Its not good enough from a Villa supporter to be content with average football. For our wage bill we are underperforming in a grand way. Yes, we will be relieved of horrendous contracts like Heskey, Beye, Collins,Warnock, Cueller.........and we have been forced to endure ugly and characterless football, but Big Eck cannot be trusted to get us out of this. Football is still not changing. We rely on individual play to get results. Eck has already worried us all with the way he has bought in Hutton, who is inept to put it kindly and has totally mismanaged NZogbia. He should never have NZogbia because he doesnt know how to use him and he didnt bother doing any scouting on the team that was hiring him.......if he did, he would have realized that we actually have a glut of midfield options that are actually more suited to his "style" of play. We are lucking results, and while that might see us in the premiership next year, it will see us become Fulham mark ii. Im not at all ok with that. |
Dubai_Villain
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... yeah good point Steveo, if Gardener had scored in the first min then we would have been 2 - 0 up inside 10 minutes and would have been a totally different game!! A lot of people are glass half empty (actually most are glass has been smashed on the floor) on this blog..and they are all very stubborn and bloody minded as well... no matter if we win the next 5 games and Robbie scores 2 in each he would still be a waste of money for people who said that at the start because they see changing their minds as a sign of weakness.. pathetic. Same mentality means that AM will never be accepted at Villa Park, lets face it he would have to win the League and then Champions league for some of them to turn but that's dreamland... he was obviously cheap and fits the bill for the owner so its what we have and will be for a while. I for one am just happy when we win a game and like to enjoy it as it doesn't last long.... but then again it doesn't for anyone in the league this season... all have lost and will keep on losing as well, very difficult to get a run going as all similar standard and anyone can beat anyone else!! We have been treated to some dross this season i will admit but also had some very entertaining games, i bet if you watched every minute of Stoke, Norwich, Albion, Everton, Liverpool, Fulham's seasons... I could go on, all fans would say the same..... but is anyone calling for David Moyes head at Everton or Tony Pulis at Stoke? I think AM needs time and should be given it... look what Newcastle fans thought of the Alan Pardew appointment, then they sold their best player and didn't reinvest.. hmm sound familiar?? Only time will tell but as I have said before I am just going to enjoy winning when we do because I know I am miserable enough when we don't... But that's life and no amount of moaning will have us winning every week because nobody can do that... |
Steveo
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... its nothing to do with thinking the muppet is wonderful, just sometimes you have to give him a tiny bit of credit that is all. |
John Salter
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... Some on here are obviously so shocked and stunned by getting three points yesterday that suddenly everything is bright and sunny again for Villa. Fact is as Bobvillian says, we were fortunate yesterday and if you don't believe that just look at the games statistics! Even with a man less, Wolves were just as competitive in most areas so we were lucky that Henry going off didn't work the other way and in their favour. Yes we got the win which is great and AMc was forced into making a change that he did well but..... |
monkeyman
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... Come on! you muppets we all know that everything isnt great and were not going to stride towards the top 4,but its sunday WE WON 3-2 lets just enjoy it for now. We had 3 youth players in our midfield who played really well,Robbie keane scored a great goal for us its,it seems some of you villa fans actually like a loss as you can just slate everybody yet youre praise is very hard to come by!!!! UTV ALL OF YOU |
rockster
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... First things first ..... fabulous three points. Top game to watch. Had everything and we deserved our place at the start of MoTD. Well done AMC, well done Robbie Keane and well done debutant Gardner. Just imagine if he'd steered in that first minute header. On the not so positive side I'm still nervous to the point of soiling myself whenever I watch our defence, particularly in set plays. Wolves second resulted from Dunne going for the same ball as Collins and, in so doing, preventing JC from being able to jump. That's just training ground stuff. I also thought Hutton was absent as usual and Warnock extremely lucky to stay on for that rash two footed lunge in the centre of the park just after he'd come on. Now the room for improvement bit! I'm no footie expert but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that if you just hoof the ball up the pitch you are at best no more than 50% likely to retain possession. At worst you give the oppo the ball back instantaneously and allow pressure to build. The biggest culprit of this is Collins. Its almost as though he likes the challenge of continually having something to do. Get the ball, hoof it, get ready to defend again. Game after game it happens. Complete re-offending! Now as I say, I'm no expert, but should we not be looking to get someone (not Petrov) to sit just in front of defence who's got the confidence and better ball/passing skills to collect the ball from the likes of JC and then distribute it? That way we stand a better chance of retaining the ball and relieving the pressure. I counted seven occasions when we did that in the second half. Who that is I don't know and I guess it would need to be a flair player. Suggestions anyone? Now my biggest moan. The "fans" (I use the term loosely) who continually bleat on and disrespect our manager. It simply isn't acceptable to name call and show the amount of venom to "one of our own". Constructive criticism is warranted and I'm not saying he's perfect but I'm glad to see people are finally waking up to just how negative a huge swathe of people are on this site. If VP got behind its team at home I'm sure the "12th man" would kick in and more points would come out of B6 6HE. There undoubtedly will still be slip ups and poor games but that's football at this level and is going to happen to anyone (Liverpool yesterday for example but I bet there's not the criticism of "King Kenny" from the Scousers, it will be about their players who aren't up to speed.) So come on Villa fans, stop bleating, see the glass as half full and give the guy a chance. We are getting better, we're doing better than we were at this point last season and we aint going to go down. Get behind the team ffs. UTV! |
Afghan
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... Frosty That story is written by the same self righteous t**t that used to come on here and its far from educated, its excuse after excuse to carry favour |
monkeyman
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... 100 per cent agree rockster just negative name calling gets us no where read gary gardner twitter account shows how much it matters to the youngsters to be a villian,we should be all happy today |
Steveo
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... we really do need to work on our defending of set pieces, there second goal was horrendous. who was suppose to be marking edwards ? |
The Burp
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...Frosty I couldn't agree more Afghan - and he's mates with all the players didn't you know and he's managed companies bigger than the Villa as he keeps reminding everyone - self righteous only goes halfway |
joevilla
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... I like this blog, the format is excellent, it's easy to join in and easy to absorb. I was suprised when damien adopted the all out anti-mcleish stance as until he's sacked this blog has nowhere left to go. Damo - people like to read your blog, how about a change of direction and focusing on the positives, we're all in unison on Mcleish already, I don't think anyone is happy wth him. |
Old McParland
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... I for one thought it was a great win for us yesterday yes i know blues won at their ground but it was a different team the villa faced and wolves were certainly up for a fight from the off.I listened to bits of the game on the radio and watched it on MOTD almost fell over with shock when we were the first game shown.What impressed me was robbie keen and his shots from long range a great player and a natural finisher, why villa have to some times try and walk the ball into the net at times baffles me when you can shoot from outside the box and by doing so beat any offside trap played by the opposition ;would like our players to do a lot more long range shooting like robbie in future so hope he influences them on the training ground in this department.Great result lads DONT CARE ONE JOT it was against a 10 man wolves we won and im feeling grand UP THE VILLA ALWAYS |
Kevinmacdonald4boss
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... We all know we don't want Alex Mcleish as the manager of our great football club, but I'm afraid we are stuck with him. Knowing that we should try our hardest to back the team and the MANAGER. Credit goes to Mcleish for yesterdays good win, the manner in which we started the game was brilliant fast furious and positive football but we go 1-up and f**k it up. But he was forced into changing things at half time and it worked (whether it was luck or judgement remains to be seen)and it all came from Stephen Warnock (who had been dropped ) with two brilliant tackles which just seem to scare wolves a little and give us a lift. Then of course R. Keane who was brought in by none other than Mcleish. I am going to get off his back and support him because I want Villa to be successful. Lets all look forward to a great week ahead with the next gen on wednesday and our magnificent away support and me going to the emirates on sunday cant wait s**t ON THE CITY AND UP THE VILLA |
Raz
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... How many fans are going to the arsenal game? Are we taking 9,000? Because if we do, I can see us making some noise! The noise might carry us to victory at their place. Our away support can be amazing at times, 9,000 fans would make the home support very quiet (especially it being arsenal who I think have terrible support!!) UTV |
Sasa
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... Outside of a few of the back line and Heskey, Villa have ability. I remember some of the kids at school, they had ability but hung around with the bad apples. They ended up with lower grades come A-Levels, but with hard work and a bit of luck (don't they say you make your own luck?) they were good for higher grades. With AM in charge, this Villa team smell of D's. Put someone in inspiring who will pick the guys with ability in their correct positions, and they will come out with solid B's. |
taglor
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... Same old story with football fans, the whole season is decided on the last game they saw on motd, can't even see the bigger picture as they get carried away with 1 match. Having a go at people expressing their opinion on the internet is like blaming the rain for getting wet, it's what it is here for and there is nothing you can do to change it and actually you have no right in telling people how to express their opinions and is extremely arrogant. Are you that naive you don't think every single club has their own version of this, take 10 minutes out of your day and look at some other blogs and you will see that it is human nature, we Villa fans are not some scum or b*****ds that you make out and I am sick of other so called fans constantly berating others for their views. We are playing terrible football and are in the bottom half of the table, I am well within my right to be unhappy with that and if some of you had watched the whole game by putting your money where your mouth is and paying to watch the Villa you would know how awful we were in the first half and leadin up to the sending off, not what you see in 5 minutes of edited highlights on motd. |
Old McParland
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... Just a thoughtTaglor be unhappy if you want thats your own decission but im far to old to want to be unhappy these days so welcome any chance of being happy which i certainly am after a grand result against wolves on their OWN patch.The prem is a very hard place these days you either understand that fact or do not either way it does not change the fact that you have to be very good or plain lucky to remain in it. So i personaly will take my beloved VILLA any way i can as long as they remain in the prem ,after all i watched them go from the old first division down to the second division and then down to the third division, so today i have very good reason to be feeling COCK A HOOP and intend to remain that way and not let the negativity brigade influence my happiness one bit.Its everyones own choice to be either positive or negative i am the latter especialy after yesterdays result UP THE VILLA ALWAYS |
Albri-12
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... When you watch spurs you cant help but think it should be us where they are and if we had a smarter manager than MON we would probably be there. Spurs couldn't have spent much more than what MON did, its just that Redface spent it so much wiser. Look there team now, so balanced as ours is so unbalanced. They have 2 quick attacking fullbacks, they have 2 direct quick wingers, they have 3 good players in the middle and then Adabuyor is a strong, powerful to lead there line. Its not all about money, its about the types of players you buy and you dont need to minted to buy attacking full backs, direct wingers, good ball players and a strong striker, you just need a decent scouting network. If we get a clever manager, maybe we could do that |
Damian
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... joevilla the thing is, he was the wrong decision from the start and if you want more than 1 win in 4 or average football and little real direction or philosophy, then mcleish is your man but for me, i want better for aston villa - that is all and take away keane yesterday and we would maybe not have won - we dont have players that can score 2 out of 3 shots they take .. keane is the quality that we miss and he was just playing his game - we've never had a player play the way keane played - mcleish had nothing really to do with it better for aston villa is a better manager, it is the sad truth and the vast majority of aston villa and football fans know this and we've even got former players and manager saying it too but i fear that the owner has given up and we've got nobody at the club that really knows anything about football - the stance is taken, much like the stance supporting houllier was taken last season it simply wont work with mcleish - he is a journeyman manager who will be relegated again in his career, i just hope it doesn't happen with us, because given time, our better players will want to leave and he isn't going to be bale to bring in quality and even if he is stuck with just the odd player he can get and the players coming through, the football is just average - but we knew this before he came because we had enough football to watch at his previous club |
Damian
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... Cheer Up Lads If Keano hadn't played, someone would have taken his place and maybe scored instead.that is possible but had he not played, maybe we would have scored 10 keane was the difference yesterday for us and them getting player sent off he was the difference because before he came, how many of our players took 3 shots from outside the box in match and scored twice? it is very easy, too easy actually, to say that if keane didn't play someone might have played in his place and did what he did because nobody has done it all season so actually, chances are, if keane didn't play someone would have taken his place and not done it |
Sasa
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... Last time a Villa player scored 2 quality goals outside the box like Keane's off the top of my head is Benni Carbone against Leeds, and that was about 12 years ago. |
cypriotvilla
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... The next Dwight Yorke????? http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120122/sports/sports23.html |
Damian
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... joevilla dont get me wrong, i gave him a chance and maybe that chance didn't last as long as it would have done had he not come from where he did, but i'm not going to swing one way and the other based on a result or two like some people/sites do and i also thought it was the wrong choice from day one and absolutely nothing has happened for me to think i was wrong then |
Greg1981
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... Damian. One positive thing about AM is that at least he isn't O'Neill: the poorest manager in Villa's history— given the huge resources Lerner made available to him. AM, even with his limited abilities, would have spent it better and we would not be in the dire straits we are now. You can't blame bewildered Lerner. With no money available changing manager now would be as pointless as shifting the deckchairs around the Titanic. And give me your views on the appalling Albrighton playacting yesterday. It has no place at VP. He should have been booked after the sending off. |
r0bb0
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... taglor: Having a go at people expressing their opinion on the internet is like blaming the rain for getting wet, it's what it is here for and there is nothing you can do to change it and actually you have no right in telling people how to express their opinions and is extremely arrogant. I am sick of other so called fans constantly berating others for their views. this is the same taglor who earlier said: HT sweden did you watch the first half or have you the memory of a goldfish? taglor, you're no better or worse than other people on here. Just like the rest of us you want to point out what you see as inaccuracies or inconsistencies in other people's views. Isn't that what the blog is for? If I want to read articles by people (usually) with greater knowledge of the game than I then I'll go to the News Now site. If I want to see what other fans are thinking and discuss views then I come onto one of the Villa blogs. If I say something stupid or arrogant or patronising (guilty of all of them on occasion) then I can expect to get picked up on it.....expectng anything else is like going out in the rain and expecting not to get wet isn't it? |
sjh
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... greg1981 mon poorest manager,am spend money better U my friend are deluded,a typical MON hater |
taglor
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... Oh here we go robbo the internet policeman. Damian it is getting increasingly irritating having to see robbo cut and paste people's posts nearly every day whilst admonishing them for not purporting to his ideals of football. I also replied to HT sweden saying "fair enough" but you decided to omit that cut and paste that you oh so love. |
steveAVFC
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... Eoin1981 - Well said - we must give credit to the team and manager for winning away and scoring 3 goals. To many on this blog want the team to loose so AM villa future will come to an end.Very sad when so called villa fans what this to happen. I got pissed and happy last night so thanks villa |
r0bb0
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... I don't think the fans are getting carried away by yesterday's result the way some were after the Chelsea game. There seems to be a general acceptance that Mcleish is unlikely to be the man to take us forward longer term but a realisation that the play and attitude of the players has improved in the last half dozen games or so. Having said that, most fans also believe that the performances are still short they where we think they should be with this group of players. Amongst the general disapproval of the overall direction of the club, there are some positives which are worth clinging onto: Quite a few of the younger players are getting increasing playing time and showing that they have what it takes to compete at this level. The wage bill is coming down and soon will be at a sensible new base level. The away fans have shown that if you get behind the players they lose some of their inhibitions and can put in good performances and deliver good results. The key time will be the Summer, when we start to see what ambition there is to start moving forwards again. It's most unlikely that Mcleish is going to be sacked before the end of the season, so for now surely the right approach is to get behind the team and see if we can give them the same encouragement to perform at Villa Park as the away fans give them week in and week out. |
r0bb0
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... taglor, much as you'd prefer me not to point out your hypocrisy it's not for you to tell me what to do. |
villa1
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...If Keano hadn't played, someone would have taken his place and maybe scored instead. you can say that about bent, because if he never played, someone else would have probably scored the penalty. but i agree with damian, if keane never played, no-one would have scored them goals. only petrov can score from outside the box for us, and hes already met his quota for the season. the last players we had who was capable of scoring them types of goals was hitz, merson and carbone. (and craig gardner to an extent) |
villa1
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...I don't think the fans are getting carried away by yesterday's result the way some were after the Chelsea game. r0bb0 - you should know by now that your not allowed to be happy with a win on this site, show any kind of happiness towards a win and everyone jumps on your back assuming that you think weve turned a corner and were gonna win the league. no we dont, were just happy that our beloved club has won a game. |
CMO
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... We're not great at the moment, we all know that but at least yesterday the fans got value for money and we got something to cheer. Whats the point in picking apart every goal we score? Just enjoy them. Staying in this league is the most important thing and that in itself shows how poor everyone at the club has done for us so far this season but at least we're 3 points better off at the expense of the dingals. UTV |
r0bb0
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... Damian, Do you think that Lerner will remove Mcleish before the Summer? Personally, I doubt it, particularly as the possibility of relegation recedes. If he's going to be with us for the next few months then is now the time to be protesting against him? Whilst we are in the middle of trying to bring the youngsters through, wouldn't it be better to try and create an atmosphere in which they wanted to play and express themselves rather than one in which they may be anxious and fearful of making mistakes? That is the sort of atmosphere which they currently play in at Villa Park most weeks. |
villa1
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...Last time a Villa player scored 2 quality goals outside the box like Keane's off the top of my head is Benni Carbone against Leeds, and that was about 12 years ago. sorry sasa, didnt see this quote. i pretty much repeated it lol. |
Damian
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... r0bb0 i dont think lerner cares so as long as we are in the premier league nothing will likely change if he did care he'd not have appointed him in the first place and i still think lerner is interested in selling and while that worries me too, if we ended up with someone willing to invest (not loan), then nobody with any football sense is going to let mcleish go out and spend so if we are sold, then mcleish will go |
r0bb0
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... villa 1, you're right...some people can't seem to bring themselves to enjoy Villa winning at the moment, but worse than that they hate the thought that other people might! |
r0bb0
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... Damian, I do worry that Lerner's attitude might have changed towards Villa. He clearly was prepared to invest when he first came to the club but it does seem that his heart isn't quite in it any more. Having said that, I'm going more on hearsay than facts as facts are pretty hard to come by! |
sjh
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... ive come to the conclusion that AM is gonna be here until (a) we are sold or (b) we have a disastrous start to nxt season so whats the point moaning.We might as well grin and bear it!  |
bobvillian
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... "r0bb0" Tell me what you think after we play next at home to QRP;Its not losing that bothers me but how you lose!! |
r0bb0
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... bobvillian, agree completely...that's why I was so angry after the Carling cup capitulation to Bolton, the players just showed no interest or fight. I didn't care if it was the manager or the players who were to blame, it just wasn't good enough. That's by no means the only poor performance this year but to my mind it was the worst. |
taglor
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... Well if that's what robbo thinks we'd better all think the same less be inferior fans in the eye of Sauron. |
taglor
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... Spurs were really unlucky today. How Friedel and Walker must wish they were still at Villa with the dizzying heights of a lucky win against Wolves. |
r0bb0
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... taglor...the majority of people on here seem to come from a negative persuasion and you certainly fall into that camp. Unusually though, you often tinge your negativity with originality and humour. For that reason I'm actually flattered that you take the trouble to pick me up on my comments on here! |
sundaynews
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... Why not go for a swap deal for Maynor Figueroa? Warnock for Figueroa and Victor Moses plus £3? Then ship out the Zog for Danny Simpson? Good business, no? |
villa1
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... taglor - it does seem that you do exactly what robbo does - its just that you haven't worked out how to use the quote feature so it is less obvious that your doing it. |
Advilla
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... I've followed this site for some time now, I posted earlier on this blog about the attitude of some of our 'so called' supporters, in 50 years of supporting the villa I have never heard anything like I read on this site. What a bunch of negative whining boring toss pots you really are. You call yourselves supporters....look up the definition of support!! Assuming most of you can read, that is. We all know things are nowhere as good as we would all like, but does that mean you have to slag everything & everyone off? It's pathetic. Fair enough if you don't like AM or RL or even if you think the pies are s**t, why should that stop you supporting the villa. We had a worse owner/chairman under Ellis, together with a load of s**t managers, but the support was always there. Just because AM came from small Heath he gets more flack then the Ripper. That is what all you responds hide behind you haven't got the balls to put it to one side and support the team, instead you faceless t**ts hide behind blog sites such as this to vent you negative boring spleen. Get off your negative fat arses and get to VP and support the lads, assuming you know the way. Help the team, help the new kids coming through, it's easy to support a team when everything in the garden is rosy, but as soon as times get difficult you all disappear and start making mindless jibes about everything to do with the club, which 99% of the times is pure conjecture....sorry...bulls**t. So here's the deal.....forget who the manager is, the owner is...they all come and go....get to VP and support the team. Or just crawl back into your holes and stop spouting crap all the time.....or you can always curl up together with the 10 year box set of 'Eastenders'. One last thing, I'll get you the number of the Samaritans, having said that, they would probably hang up on you lot!!!! Come on you villa boys |
r0bb0
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... For those of you who can't bring yourself to support the first team, the under 19s are in the quarter finals of the Next Gen series (youth equivalent of the Champion's League) against Marseille at Villa Park on Wednesday night. It'll probably cost less than a fiver for a ticket...you'll be showing that you support Villa without showing support for Mcleish (if that's your problem) They've been playing entertaining football and you get to see the stars of the future. |
Old McParland
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... Well said Advilla some supporters want only the very best and if they dont get it all hell breaks loose.The ground at villa these days seems wondeful to the times i stood at either the top of the holte near the porthole side end or nearer the pitch itself frqently getting drownded when it rained or having that many in the ground you had to stand were you were if you wanted a p**s because you could not move for the crowd seen it all bad football good football bad managers reasonable managers been very disopointed and at times elivated often had a cup of tea and a doenut in the old cafe over the road from the holte befor walking home or if i had the fair left catch a bus but throughout all those times have always loved the villa and will always do so come what may even if they go down three divisions like they did befor.Great win yesterday even if some believe it was not made me a realy happy chap UP THE VILLA |
Albri-12
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... SSN had us linked to C. Cole. To be fair he cant be any worse then Hesk and Fonz is going out on loan. |
Albri-12
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... I think we might still see one or 2 new players. Carlos and Fonz are next to go. Id take Scott Dann or Alex and we really need a winger |
windofchange
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... Arsenal fans moaning about their board not spending money or telling the fans why they are not spending, moaning about the quality of players that are coming in and also the manager and his decisions, should be a happy affair all round next week. |
Albri-12
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... Our squad is piss poor as it is with Delph, Fonz and Carlos in it so we will be really f**ked if we dont replace them and Randy obviously wants a major cut back so maybe we wont bring any one in  |
taglor
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... Damn you robbo for being polite, now I can't eschew your digital ink lest I look even more of a tool. |
Dee
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... Totally agree with Damian and taglor. No disrespect Advilla but I hope it doesn't come to the stage where I have supported Villa for 50 years and yet to see the club win the FA cup. I'm on 34 give or take and have faint memories of the title and euro triumph. I'm 38 now since then all I've had to shout about are a couple of fizzy pop triumphs. I've never lived in the Midlands and don't even live in the UK anymore so my views have never been clouded by other fans. Villa are a giant of a club but with a poor post war history. But geographically and historically there in nothing to suggest why we should not be amongst the top 4 in any given era. Invariably a manager's best spell is usually at the start. Judging by our appointments post Saunders, their credentials and ultimate failings, what have you seen from this dire manager's tactics, results and CV that suggest to even the most optimistic fan that he will achieve anything? As Damian succinctly put it, we want better for Villa hence why it is imperative that McLeish be removed at the soonest. I would go as far as to suggest that the team would have performed better had there been no manager in charge this season. He is THAT clueless. All his wins are simply down to the law of probability, nothing else. It it certainly not by design. |
AV4EVER
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... Don't worry, once Lerner has stripped back all he can without actually getting us relegated he will be off, well we can only hope. Because the club have been so quite about the clubs future the conclusion can only be that he wants out, that or he has bigger problems with the Cleveland Browns. As for McCleish the man is living on borrowed time, I know a manager needs time to settle in but there has been no signs of improvement and for a man that was a defender hasn't got a clue about defending. We use to be renowned for both attacking and defending set pieces but now we haven't got a foggy. |
mon 4-5-1
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... Taglor - You're absolutely spot on with your comments, and the more football educated fans will are more than likely in agreement with you. It's just that currently they have worked out the situation, and rather than spout more dribble about being positive, or complain about individual player performances they've given up at the moment. It's the same - blind faith brigade - who at the time blindly supported and to a certain degree backed O'Neil's extravagant spending spree, yet as the football did not develop but the spending continued they criticised the fans that had to foresight to see things were going to turn out badly. Obviously SOME of these so called fans are now at it again , actually they are exactly the type of fan that has been holding AVFC back for so long, because having there head stuck well and truly up the own arse, so would like to portray there very narrow minded one dimensional views. If we avoid relegation and as fans just sit there and be positive there is every chance this Clown will be here for the following season, is this what we really want? We should have again been buried at of sight in the first 45 minutes, actually similar to the Everton game but, lady luck was with us again. We looked disjointed with no cohesion, and man for man should not have made such hard work out of the win against a very poor Wolves side. . I do not see it as negative to criticise some of the performances this season when you consider that as a team we've produced some of the most negative football seen in living memory under this Clown. Yep, the win was nice there is no denying that, but anything else is just plain silly. As for Keane, he's only here for a couple of months so it does not make any difference in the bigger scheme of things in my opinion - that is of course if you thought we were going to get relegated and his goals are going to keep us up. |
Albri-12
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... we have some 19 year old Jamaican on trial, pretty desperate really. Because the club have been so quite about the clubs future the conclusion can only be that he wants out Really hope he does. His interview last week about the Browns seems to say he only cares about them. I hate the guy so much, he is just stripping the club now and it will be even worse come the summer. we will be left with a handful of players the way he is going. We can all dream of QIA |
Headologist
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... Albri Dwight Yorke was an 18 year old Trinidadian when he joined us So how 'desperate' is that? Advilla I have been a Villa fan for over 50 years and I want the very best for my club, sun, shine or storm Muckleish has produced eye bleedingly bad football and it's taken him 21 games to realise how good Gary Gardener can be and in 22 games he still hasn't realised that Hutton Warnock and Collins are not actually EPL quality footballers That is not what I want for MY Villa |
Headologist
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... I do this very rarely, but how about Given Herd Clarke/Dunne Cuellar Baker/Stevens Nzog Ireland Gardner Bannan/Clark Bent Agbon/Keane Impact Subs: Albri Keane/Agbon Footballers one and all, 1,000 passes a game Are you reading Alex? |
taglor
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... mon 451 and dee it gives me hope for Villa that there are still fans with the insight and foresight of you guys and not everyone is fooled by the Premier pr machine, has the premiership ever really been a fair contest for anyone outside the top 6? |
Sasa
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... You have to respect the old school as they've been there and done it. But I'm sure our fans during the Ellis years were far more brutal on the managers than in today's game, and that's with lower gates! Big Ron crucified, 4-4 at home to Leicester after being 4-1 up then the 4-3 defeat to Wimbledon after being 3-1 up. Berating of Little for Collymore not turning good. Raining season tickets after 4-1 hammering to Cov during Greogry tenure, GTx2 OUT, even though he won 11 PL home games that season (we were 5hit cos we couldn't win away, plus the bottom teams were better back then). D'OL murdered after Doncaster 3-0 defeat (and rightly so), I have more sympathy for D'OL than AM, given at least he got a 6th place finish with attacking football during 2004. How AM has got away with it, I'll never know. I think it's only MON (in terms of fans at games) who hasn't been butchered during my 20+ years of supporting Villa. Add McLeish to that now. |
Sasa
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... Also the stance on my 'negativity' is this. The fans who say AM doesn't have much resource therefore we can accept fighting to stay up, IMO are actually being negative. They are being negative because they're not showing faith in our players. I actually think, our front 6 is up there with the MON players in terms of ability. Play Cuellar at the back and get rid of Hutton and Warnock, and I've got faith in our backline too. Dunne and Cuellar, with Given in net is solid. My 'negativity' comes from a boring, anti-football manager who doesn't like attacking and getting the best out of our kids and more experienced players. A manager that blames kids in interviews. Did anyone see Albrighton's reactions to our goals? Jumping for joy like a Villa supporter. Why the f**k would you outst him in front of the media? A manager that is trying to say our squad can't compete with the big boys, only because it's an excuse for him to pick up his wages without much backlash. McLeish has a good eye for bargains, he's shown that throughout his managerial career, but he doesn't have the b0llox to play football, and our front players can play the game correctly if told to do so. |
Advilla
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... Sasa All the managers you mentioned were pecked at by some supporters, they have always been there, but never to this personal level. Plus all those you mentioned had the chance to bring in loads of players so they could stamp their own brand of football on the team. AM hasn't had that chance yet, he's having to make the best of what o'niel left, and let's face it how many proper footballers did he buy.....none! All workers with limited skill. I'm not pro AM neither am I anti him, but I am willing to give him a chance, it will be difficult under the present restraints, but he should be given a chance. Let's assume he gets the boot, who the hell would take over this poisoned chalice, with the lack of financiers, (thanks o'niel, you tossed) plus who would want to take all the s**t you lot give the managers, as you mentioned in you post. I am asking supporters to support the team, not the manager or the owner, don't you our kids deserve it. Headologist Do you think it's good management to throw the kids in to the viper pit that's villa park? No it would destroy them even the seasoned pros are feeling the crowds viciousness, al because you hate 1 or 2 men..AM & RL Pathetic!!!!! Come on you lions And to all you so called supporters......KEEP RIGHT ON.....blue nose t**ts |
r0bb0
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... sasa, I agree with much you've said, but don't you think that things are better say...in the last 6 games than the first 6? I know it's all relative so I'm not necessarily saying it's good enough, but what do you think? |
Nike
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... Them last 7 games are are frightning for a club like us in the kind of form we are in aswell be lucky to get a draw out of 2 of em........be glad when this season is over so i know our fait |
Sasa
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... Yes it's been better since Ireland has come in and decided to play. It's been better because the waste of space Heskey is not involved. It's been better because a quality player who has lost all his pace, decided to use his genius ability and shoot rather than run on Sat afternoon. But the question is, with a full pre-season why did AM play a load of players in incorrect positions and persist with that useless donkey, playing him in bl00dy midfield of all places? We had one of the easiest opening PL fixtures in years, a great chance for AM to play forward thinking football and get some points to boot, as well as fan backing to appease the summer hostility. The away results were actually very acceptable, given that away PL victories are hard to come by unless you're an established top 4. But it was the manner in how we snatched those draws. And these fears were then confirmed with the way we played at home, where the onus was on us to come forward. If he was daring in his management we'd probably be sitting on the same points as Newcastle. Has AM played the current team due to injuries, or is he starting to understand his squad, or has he read Villa opinions on fan sites and caving in to their demands with the Board having an eye on 2012 revenue? McLeish has a great chance to win some fans against QPR. But if it ends in tears as it did against Swansea, then it's another month of hatred until he achieves his 1 in 4 victory stat, when hope will start again.... followed by another month of hatred. |
Sasa
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... Advilla, the type of manager we need is someone who believes in our youth model. All of our players who've come through the ranks look to keep it on the floor, even in tight situations. This shows they have bravery, not like the pu55ies Hutton, Warnock and Collins who just aimlessly belt it to the invisible man, and are happy to pick up their money this way. The club have to sell the idea to the fans as a manager trying to bring in a footballing philosophy (maybe they tried to do this with Martinez), rather than a manager who is established but will want funds to get to the top, which basically means "let me do a good job at Villa so I can get the Chelsea or Liverpool job." As long as the fans understand that the club is going to be structured to achieve this then it is their duty to provide the backing. This is the best long-term vision to try and achieve something without money. |
Mcw**k Out
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... Happy we won but could really have gone either way. There was a sustained period in first half (after we went ahead) we were embarrasing and if Wolves were bit more composed could have been well ahead by haltime. I was relieved it was only 2-1 at halftime. Keane's winning goal was brilliant. If only we had signed him 10-12 years ago. Oh well. It was a schizophrenic performance -agree with poster who said McLeish's wins so far seem to be from accident and bit of help from lady luck events rather than design. His changes were enforced upon him on Saturday as were Wolves. Basically 6 wins in 22 games is diabolical. MON has managed 6 wins already with a poor Sunderland squad in a few weeks. I hope McLeish can galvanise something from this result but given how we meekly squandered any good done in Chelsea game against Swansea i wont be holding my breath. |
Dr. Villa
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... NOW is the time to get behind the team and the manager or shut up. Managers don't get sacked just because fans aren't happy (look at Blackburn!). Managers get sacked because of long runs of poor results, NOT poor football. And if you take away the poor football, our results and league position are not sacking material. Not with this Chairman anyway. |
windofchange
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... Managers do get sacked because fans arn't happy - Steve Bruce at Sunderland for example! |
davidc
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...the type of manager we need is someone who believes in our youth model. All of our players who've come through the ranks look to keep it on the floor, even in tight situations Clarke, Albrighton, Gardner started. Weimann and Bannan came on. There's lots of things I could criticise McCleish for, but not giving the youngsters a chance is NOT one of them. |
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