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A German midfielder, a striker from Spurs and Lerner speaks in transfer window about funds been made available

I'm in a pretty bad way this morning but that is mostly because of a surprise birthday party we had for the wife yesterday and the bath tub full of beer and vodka, but there are some interesting stories doing the rounds this morning to perk me up a little.

First is the German midfielder from Bayern Munich called Tim Borowski. The rumour is we are going to pay £5mn. and for a 29 year old this would be madness in my opinion. I know £5mn. isn't a lot of money these days in the grand scheme of things but for a player that has peaked it is far too much. But it is only a rumour.

The next rumour is one I quite like and while Robbie Keane is 28 years old and is maybe at the top of his game right now, this would be a good player for a season or two and he plays in that Steven Gerrard type role sitting behind the main striker. It would be a pretty clear indication that O'Neill is up for changing things around next season.

I'm just not sure Keane would come when he has just gone back to Spurs and I'm not so sure if Spurs would really want to sell him. He has a very good goal to game ratio and he is a forum favourite, or appears to be anyway. Still, another rumour and we just have to wait and see.

Last up today and back to our owner who is doing more talking in the press and for a man who doesn't talk to the press he has a habit of talking to them at the right time each summer. What he is saying now though is a little contradictory.

Randy Lerner
Martin's achievements have been superb. We have improved steadily and we have qualified for Europe two seasons in a row. He has a reputation as a very good manager, with good success, and that will play a part when playing are thinking of coming to Aston Villa.

The funds will be in place for him.

I say it is slightly contradictory only because a few weeks ago we were told that not as much money as last season would be made available and now, at the height of season ticket sales period, we are told money will be available. Does it remind you of anyone?

One thing is for sure and that is serious money needs to be invested if we are to kick on and I think this is a defining summer for Randy Lerner.

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James Clift said:

Jimbo Daventry Villa
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O'neill must know who he's bringing in and i'm sure there are 2 or 3 done deals that will start going through from July 1st.

We need at least 6/7 players of which 3 must be quality big signings.
Comment 1, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.19 am

lee avfc said:

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i have to agree we need at least 3 quality players this summer and before the session starts, we carnt afford to lose ground early on. i just hope mon pulls his finger out 1st july, because there no excuses, we have the money, the players are there for the taking, and we can offer euro football, come on mon pull your finger out
Comment 2, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.25 am

CR said:

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forum favourite? I hope you mean this story of him leaving spurs is favourite and not actually the player is a favourite! Robbie Keane is almost hated on the spurs forums and a large proportion of spurs fans would be glad to see the back of this mercinary. He's also been utter cack since he rejoined spurs.
Comment 3, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.25 am

Daniel Wilson said:

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Very happy to see us being linked with Robbie Keane today, weather or not there is any truth in it, thats the sort of name thats going to put a smile on your face. I can't see him coming, it would pretty much be a sidestep but if he is being made available then I would definatly chuck 12 million at it. Would be an improvement on Barry for the same money.
Comment 4, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.26 am

oldfart said:

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Hardly any other team of note has bought a player except Man. City. Nobody has loads of money so Villa are right not to splash silly money at current time.Mark my words a big club will go into administration soon. We have got £12mil for Barry---I gather it is up front and in cash--this puts us up for gaining 2 quality players---talk of 6/7 shows crass financial understanding
Comment 5, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.27 am

Awol said:

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Interesting the way you have valued the players in your article. 5 million too much for a 29 year old but 12 million is okay for a 28 year old. I don't remember my body going down hill that much between 28-29; 31 was the kicker!
Comment 6, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.39 am

James Clift said:

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Oldfart,

last season we had one of the smallest squads in the division. From being 3rd in January to ultimatley finishing 6th was due to this and nothing else.

O'neill said time & time again the squad needs improvement & already we have lost 3 of that original squad, two of which were quality players.

Talk of bringing in 6/7 is not crass financial understanding it is a must for us to compete in the same way we did for 5 months of last season.
Comment 7, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.39 am

YogiBear said:

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As long as it is a Young Keane swap that sounds fairsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gif
Comment 8, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.40 am

Daniel Wilson said:

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Yogi, sounds like a fair deal, Luke Young for Robbie Keane, wheres the paper work? I'll sign it now. smilies/grin.gif
Comment 9, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.45 am

Rivett said:

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Keano is far from a favourite on Spurs forums at the minute. The reaction of our good freind CR, and his labeling the great man a 'mercenary' are typical of the deluded tosh a have to sift through on some of my favourite Spurs sites. Luckily, I don't think Harry is quite as ill-minded as the fans I reference, and I feel he is less likely still to sanction Keane's sale to an immediate rival (cue jokes ablut relegation and how Hull and Sunderland are our main rivals - don't bother). The fact that Keane and Carew would link up better than Defoe and Carew makes rumours of a swap even more ridiculous. A player in the Keane mold would certainly benefit your side, but here's hoping you'll have to be looking elsewhere.
Comment 10, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.45 am

SNAKE PLISKIN said:

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Borowski is defo not over the hill and would be an excellent addition to the squad. I watch German football most weeks and he still has a lot to contribute to any team...£5m a steal for him
Comment 11, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.46 am

lee avfc said:

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there is also talk this morning about martins from newcastle, would this be a good idea, would we lose him to the african cup during a critical time in the session.
Comment 12, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.48 am

Rich said:

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Oldfart

Two quality signings will only replace what we have lost since the last season. We would only be in the same position as last year with a team that was ultimately proven to be not quite good enough or large enough). We need four players good enough to go straight into the first eleven in positions I have mentioned on previous threads.This shouldn't be asking too much for the biggest club in the country's second city.
Regarding Robbie Keane: he should have come to us years ago, when Doug allowed him to join Coventry for the sake of 500,000 ( I think I remember the figure correct). I still think he's a very good player and would offer us something we haven't got at the moment - BUT NO SWAP DEAL (unless Harry wants Harewood, Knight, Salifou or Osbourne).
Comment 13, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.55 am

Joky said:

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Transfer Madness.

It looks like MoN will have a tough time getting value for money in this transfer window as it seems the prices for players (of any decent quality) has rocketed. This seems due to Real's super spending and also the prem being seen as a cash cow, with clubs like Man C, Man U and Chelsea having big budgets and supporting big wages.

I feel clubs like Villa, Everton etc are in that tough middle ground where we don't have super budgets to either buy players of a high quality, yet need them to improve.

I think this will be the toughest transfer window for MoN as we now need high quality and possible 5-6 players to bolster the squad so we can compete in all the competitions we have qualified for. There's no point qualifying for europe if you have not got the squad to do well, or if it compromises your league performance.

So, good luck MoN in finding quality players for fair money.

Comment 14, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.20 am

CP said:

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If Robbie Keane signs for Villa, nay, if Robbie Keane leaves White Hart Lane this summer - I will eat my hat. I will eat all my hats. This rumour is totally out of the question.

That's not to say I don't like the player. I'm a huge fan, and have always wanted to see him play for us since he was a reportedly close to joining from Coventry before he went to the Spuds.
Comment 15, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.25 am

Villa Nick said:

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Looks like Learner is going to have to splash the cash for Villa to get any decent numbers in this summer.

MON will probably opt for promoting some of our youngsters into the squad to boost the profile, hope they are good enough.

Comment 16, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.26 am

ben said:

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we did spend alot of money last season without getting much back from sales so if lerner fronts say 20 mil or whatever on top of the barry fee then there will be "funds in place" dont really see that a contradictory. Also how can 12 mil for a 28 year old be fine and 5 mil for a 29 year old be way to much. Me thinks you have not seen to much of Tim Borowski i would rather sign him than keane anyway. should of bought keane a few years back. lol.
Comment 17, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.41 am

kieron said:

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How about this rumour of us signing Hleb for 8 million. Just seen it on sky sports news. Think he would be more than a good replacement for barry!
Comment 18, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.42 am

kieron said:

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Actually that comment sounded like we had more or less signed him. It should have read, we have been linked with Hleb for 8 million.
Comment 19, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.43 am

jO said:

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Sounds good, we got Keene and Bentley.. they got Ashley from us. Ashley as good as he is, isn't as good as his rep.. he was sloopy last season, especially set pieces that was his strength the first year when the hype started. Don't get me wrong, I like Ashley, but Keene is exactley what we need up front.
Comment 20, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.47 am

FatKevs said:

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I like the idea pf promoting the youngsters but do we have enough of them. They should not be ever present as in the main it destroys them. after all that is what a club is about traditionally I would have loved the moore brothers partnership to work we have had a number of promising youngsters dissapear like all clubs that is where real management comes to play
Comment 21, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.48 am

Rich said:

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At long last some good news.

" Villa go cold on Campbell"
Comment 22, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.50 am

Villa442 said:

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6/7 players are a minimum forget finance; Randy should not have bought a football club if he had been trying to balance the books. I agree with those saying 6/7 are needed of which at least three should be real quality and the rest should certainly have the potential of playing in the 1st team - so no more Salifou, Routledge, Harewood. B4 we all lose our heads we can go for some potential Naughton and Delph and use some of our up can comming youngsters and also have a couple of loan signings too.
Comment 23, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.51 am

john said:

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I think you're looking a little too much at his words there Damian. Neither contradict. You can still spend 10mil less than last year and still "have funds in place to spend".

I think what he's saying is, we don't have pittance
Comment 24, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.58 am

Nick said:

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When I see rumors like Robbie Keane I just have to laugh. Not that he isnt a good player, but everything that is logical in this world points to there being .00001% of that transfer happening.

And I laugh whenever I read rumors about goalkeeping considering we have two pretty good ones currently. And they fit quite nicely with one old and one young and both being Americans and all. Every other area of our squad needs building before our goalkeepers...

Some of the stuff that gets made up is such rubbish it boggles the mind.

Anyway the proof will be in the pudding when it comes to the money being available. If it is MON must obviously spend it, he certainly isnt going to try to give us another year of squad size excuses when he is sitting on a sum of transfer cash. Is there any logic in that?
Comment 25, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.01 am

lee avfc said:

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"How about this rumour of us signing Hleb for 8 million. Just seen it on sky sports news. Think he would be more than a good replacement for barry"

When was that shown
Comment 26, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.23 am

gregdavillain said:

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old fart
alk of 6/7 shows crass financial understanding


does it now? does it really?
well since we faded at the business end of last season due to lack of numbers and with the manager highlighting this as a cause of our demise how can u say say 6/7 shows crass financial understanding????

we've lost 3 players now so they have to be replaced, then we have to add to the squad to not avoid a repeat of last seasons mistakes and inability of not being able to start a strong 11 in all competions and burning out in the league, so really 6/7 players would be the minimum requirement showing good business sense and proper finnancial understanding.

I rekon if we'd spent 25 mill in january we would have continued to cpmpete for 4th position, with the liklihood we we're too far ahead of arsenal points wise and the champs league football would have paid for it this time round. Nothing crass about that.
Comment 27, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.33 am

Daniel Wilson said:

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When was that shown


About 3 weeks a go.
Comment 28, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.34 am

RichT said:

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Borowski is a quality player and would be very welcome. While MON's in Munich he could tap-up ('Arry style) Lucas Podolski who struggles to get a game behind Toni, Klose and Gomez.
Bring in a couple of first teamers, a couple of kids and give the youth more games. We'll be fine- keep the faith people!
Comment 29, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.42 am

ben said:

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posolski is going to cologne . agreed last year i think that was his 1st team. i wanted podolski for a while now, think he would make for a great signing.
Comment 30, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.46 am

testie said:

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SSN are linking a Prem club to Hleb this morning i missed the article i'm guessing the team us, am I right Ron? I think he would be a quality signing something that we have not got, I'm not sure if it would happen though. It would be one of those signings we would need to keep under the radar to keep others from coming in and hijacking the deal.
Comment 31, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.54 am

toastman said:

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I don't recall them saying we won't have as much funds as last year, they said who knows we may end up spending, it could be less or about the same. nothing contradictory there and he's nothing like Doug, don't insult the man.
Another artile without thought.
Comment 32, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.59 am

RichT said:

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why's he going there?! They're bad by German standards. The Bundesliga isn't the best league in the world and they ain't the best club in it. How about an approach from a top 6 premier league club? I think we could tempt him with Europa football. Come on MON!
Comment 33, made on June 28, 2009 at 12.04 pm

adam said:

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borowski is a good p-layer i would be very happy if we signed him. robbie keanes about 8 years too late me thinks
Comment 34, made on June 28, 2009 at 12.14 pm

Frosty said:

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No wonder Doug Ellis was "delighted he chose Randy Lerner, above the other 4 preditors", he chose someone he saw wouldn't overshadow his achivements as Villa Chairman. Several things annoy me about this new chairman and although not everything is gray above Villa Park right now, there are a few vultures waiting for the clouds to gather. 1) Lerner quoted: "I'm confident about Gareth Barry signing a new contract", the rest is history. 2) "Sufficient funds will be available this summer", ow much is that? What Martin O'Neill makes from sales. 3) Putting money into a gallery for an ego Trip, dont I remember Deadly was a very charitable man. Villa can not survive in the top six giving freebies away each year. Man United will continue to win things with major shirt sponsorship, Villa give theres away for free.

As I say things are not entirely gray but I have yet to see this new regime win anything, and incase people forgot, Villa did win things under Deadly.
Comment 35, made on June 28, 2009 at 12.32 pm

bass said:

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first up Robbie keane is never on his way to villa park, it will not happen and rather than eat my hat i would wear a blues shirt in the middle of the holte end if he is on our team sheet against wigan on the first day!!
I think learner is a good businessman, he has done good things at villa and he is starting to market the club well and making aston villa fc a brand like the utd's and chelsea's. i think he understands how to make a compant run well i just hope he knows how to make a football team get into the top 4!
lets face it top 4 is going to be even harder this year with man city turning themselves into a world force as i am sure you would all agree if we were getting in some of the players said to be going there we would be very happy, Tevez, Eto'o etc!!
Does anyone know why people keep talking about July 1st???? as far as i understand the window is open isn't it? other teams are bringing players in but we get all the rumours but no end product! even bentley said he was in talks and now....NOTHING! what is going on in the world of Martin???
Comment 36, made on June 28, 2009 at 12.53 pm

ben said:

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RichT, i know cologne was his former club and he was unhappy after 3 years with bayern. not sure if he just wanted to stay in germany or if there wasn't the offers from abroad. i really rated the guy from what ive seen and he also speaks perfect english aswell apparently. Frosty a little negative there dont you think?? OK he was confident of signing barry.. didn't happen at least he tried 80K a week would be enough for most. Sufficient funds will be avaliable.. what should he say exactly how much we can spend so other clubs can raise their prices accordingly to our budget. Im also pretty sure RL was interested in art ect a long time before he had even heard of Aston Villa he wasn't born into this club and can do what he wants with his money its not like he is letting the club go bankrupt. Also if you think the shirt sponsorship is a bad idea you should find another club because that is the best thing we have done in a long long time.
Comment 37, made on June 28, 2009 at 12.59 pm

GG said:

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Frosty, Villa giving their shirt sponsorship to charity is one of the best things any football club has done in England for years. It's not all about winning trophies, it's also about fostering community spirit and giving something back to the city instead of just bleeding it dry. Man Utd are now an empty corporate brand, like Disney or MacDonald's - I'd much rather follow a club with some soul like Villa, whether we win trophies or not.
Comment 38, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.04 pm

Stathis said:

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Positive statement from mr.Lerner, but things gotta start happenin and that is players gotta start comin in.

RichT: Podolski began his career from Koln and they wanted him bad to return, ofc they had a little issue with his wages but since that was solved he's gonna be playin for them.

As for Borowski, he's not bad, he's a tower in midfield but he's not creative - although he can score goals - so if he would be signed to replace Barry personally i dont think that would be needed i would still go for Defour or Jurado instead
Comment 39, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.08 pm

Dubai Dave said:

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Shirt sponsorship was a good idea, gave back to the local community and helped raise the brand profile of AVFC, like no amount of money from a brewery could...

Has Robbie Keane got an attitude problem because a lot of players/ managers/ people on here don’t seem to like him? – He can score goals and frankly if it was a choice of Owen or Robbie I know who I’d choose (if only because of injury worries)

Comment 40, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.10 pm

kieron said:

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The Hleb rumour was def on sky sports news earlier.
Comment 41, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.11 pm

Simon said:

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What does RL mean by funds WILL BE in place? Surely he means funds ARE in place for MON?
Getting worried with the lack of genuine infosmilies/cry.gif
Comment 42, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.11 pm

mikey18 said:

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Robbie Keane can't come to us, can he?! I'm pretty sure you can't play for 3 clubs in 12 months and he has been at liverpool and tottenham. Not 100% sure, does any one else know?
Comment 43, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.13 pm

Dubai Dave said:

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I think he means money is available.

I don't think mr Learner has a problem 'raising' cash - He just needs to decide how much he wants to spend.

That statement is just saying he is prepared to spend......

Comment 44, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.17 pm

Dubai Dave said:

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Reports of Michael Jackson having a heart
attack are incorrect.

He was found in the children’s ward having
a stroke.
Comment 45, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.21 pm

truevillan said:

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so, another spuds player linked! thats the whole spurs team now is it not?!
thank god sol rumour is false, and that we are losing inteest in wheater, decent, but over priced
unfortunately, this is like very transfer window, we are linked with different players every week, without any concrete proof, but nothing happens.
i know people are saying not to panic, not many other teams have bought anyone yet, but 3 of the top 4 we dream of joining, have bought already, and they are much stronger than us before signings.
MON has got to get his finger out, touch wood we will have some signings next week, because come this time next sunday and we still have not bought anyone in, i think it will be obvious to all we do not have anything up our sleeves and yet another last minute bargain bucket buying session will start in august!
but lets stay optimistic,we will have 2-3 players in by the end of next week!! smilies/smiley.gif
Comment 46, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.35 pm

covvilla23 said:

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I thought all M J comments were to be purged. Go and be sick somewhere else.
Comment 47, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.43 pm

Aero-In-Spain said:

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Can anyone explain to me what this July 1st thing is all about? Is there new rules in the transfer market now?
Comment 48, made on June 28, 2009 at 1.57 pm

you-my-hero said:

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Dubai Dave i heard that joke when i switched on my phone at 5am friday morning, this is a villa site not a mj piss take..........ok lets talk soccer no ones talkng about martins (newcastle) for 5 million has we are linked with toffees and stoke, after seening gabby missing all those chances last season. martins could be a 20 goal a season player,
Comment 49, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.06 pm

Daniel Wilson said:

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ok lets talk soccer
what is soccer?
Comment 50, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.08 pm

Mike Carter said:

vivavilla
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On the contrary, a player of Borowski's quality and experience would be an absolute steal for a mere £5m.
Comment 51, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.08 pm

Dubai Dave said:

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Er, there is no Villa news......

relax
Comment 52, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.11 pm

you-my-hero said:

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well we are owned by yanks, so i might put soccer instead of football
Comment 53, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.12 pm

you-my-hero said:

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Borowski's dont think so, no wants to come to villa has we have mon, unless they are players who have lost there peak EG the whole spuds squad
Comment 54, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.14 pm

you-my-hero said:

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its about time randy sold his shares to a rich oil billionaire, it would be great to see a midland super club with a 60/70k all seater new stadium because all the villa fans would come out of the wood work
Comment 55, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.19 pm

Dubai Dave said:

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Cowilla me old fruit, take a lesson from Shakespeare, “The lady doth protest too much”.

Notwithstanding the fact that you invariably will not have a clue who the bard is, or the point being made, or the irony of the ivory tower from you have climbed up. I’ll spell it out for you: those who protest the loudest will probably have the most to hide.....

I’m a little aggravated, more weeks go by and no transfer news to speak of.
Comment 56, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.19 pm

you-my-hero said:

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i wished we didnt sell our steve davis, i really liked him has a player and he could be better than barry, if he wasnt ginger he could of been worth more
Comment 57, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.22 pm

Daniel Wilson said:

DanWilson82
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its about time randy sold his shares to a rich oil billionaire, it would be great to see a midland super club with a 60/70k all seater new stadium because all the villa fans would come out of the wood work


yep, and sell our souls and wash our hands of the history and tradition that every Villa fan prides themselves on.

Arabs, no thanks... I'd rather do it the proper way smilies/cheesy.gif

you sir are ofcourse welcome to your own opinion though!
Comment 58, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.24 pm

RichT said:

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RL is right not to come out and say how much we have to spend! Hes a smart guy and hes playing his cards close to his chest. He did the right thing in giving the shirt sponsorship to charity. The AVFC brand has had a massive boost and we will receive a lot more from any corporate sponsor in the future as a result. Its all part of the plan!
Martins would be good for 5mil but i'd rather have Owen for nowt! Forget Keane, it'll never happen and nor should it- over priced and over rated!
Comment 59, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.33 pm

covvilla23 said:

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dd 'or the point being made' What is the point, actually?
Comment 60, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.35 pm

covvilla23 said:

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...and also... Considering you are quoting the use of the English language and all its nuances, your use of it is essentially useless
Comment 61, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.40 pm

Cuba Montana said:

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Spurs fan here,

I'm really surprised that some Villa fans are beginning to lose their patience with Lerner. MON has done well for your club for 2 seasons albeit you haven't won anything but in recent years, our chairman decided it was time for managerial musical chairs at the Lane and got rid of one of the most loved managers Spurs have had since El Tel only to sack his replacement, 8 games into the new season, all in an effort to break into the big 4.

I say, you guys show some loyalty to the bloke and back the steady ship which MON & Randy have brought to the club, which is much better than days under O'Leary and that ex Wycombe manager who's name I've forgotten because he was so irrelevant.

Breaking into the top 4 requires more than just financial investment on players, it's about building the mental strength to compete consistently, as well as having a talented squad.

Villa have lost alot of decent players recently like Laursen, Mellberg & Barry, which is especially worrisome because all were experienced players and 2 left for footballing reasons, so you need some experienced players like Keano but I can't see MON paying the £15mill & top wages it would cost to prize him away and I don't see a swap deal happening involving Young anytime soon.

I think Carew will leave at the first opportunity if someone came in with a decent bid and Villa would accept a decent bid because I reckon Carew is still unhappy at being over scrutinised for his off field antics especially as it never interfered with his form & his match day attitude and obviously he didn't take too kindly to MON giving him a dressing down especially when all your other players besides Barry seemed to go missing in the second half of the season.

Good luck next season
Comment 62, made on June 28, 2009 at 2.53 pm

K4AVFC said:

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What you said i agree with 100% apart from the Carew bit.. Mate that is total nonsense, trust me. I haven't seen a player for years love playing for Villa so much! He has said many times that he wants to stay and thats end of. Yes i know Ronaldo said the same thing at Man Utd, but Carew isn't a little sh!te like him.
Comment 63, made on June 28, 2009 at 3.16 pm

gregdavillain said:

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cuba montana u seemed to know what u were talkin bout till u came to carew he has repeatedly stated his love for the club and his desire to stay so go back to the lane and look after ur own business like a good little spud head
Comment 64, made on June 28, 2009 at 3.19 pm

Arbee said:

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Borowski would be a good signing but the one player I'd like to see us go after is Rafael Van der Vaart.

I don't know if he'd wanna come to Villa Park but Madrid are listening to offers for him, think he could be the ideal replacement for Barry, he's creative, good at set pieces and (quite importantly imo) is left footed as I think I'm right in saying the only left footer we've got at the moment is Shorey and don't think he'll get much of a kick next season
Comment 65, made on June 28, 2009 at 3.31 pm

you-my-hero said:

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cuba montana what a great post,
Comment 66, made on June 28, 2009 at 3.46 pm

Dema said:

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I think the little mention of MON thinking Gabby is England's next world cup striker (an opinion I share) has ade it clear we won't be buying any strikers this Summer. With Carew and Agbonlahor we have two top quality strikers, Fonzy is a nice back up and ... okay, Heskey's there too.
Comment 67, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.16 pm

confusedvillafan said:

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you my hero,you looking forward to school tomorrow smilies/cheesy.gif
Comment 68, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.17 pm

Rich said:

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Would love Van der Vaart (IMO the best of the Dutch contingent at Real M). He might just say yes should MON chance his arm. Unfortunately I think we will never know, but what a coup it would be.
Comment 69, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.19 pm

truevillan said:

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man city in for naughton, hoping to outbid us! well that aint gonna be hard!
if we lose the chance to sign him, yet again it will be by being to slow to close a deal, will we ever learn!!
constantly checkin for a new signing is taking over my life! and we probably have several weeks to wait yet!
Comment 70, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.30 pm

Robdabank said:

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Think we will have to wait till 1st of July... maybe because of player contracts?? hmmmn

pissing it down here in Thailand tonight... thunder and lightning... could do with similar on the transfer front smilies/cheesy.gif

course mon and lerner are going to keep cards close to chest- they know what they are doing... we just have to keep the faith. It is painful though innit?!
Comment 71, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.33 pm

FatKevs said:

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Does anyone know how much acorns get out of the sponsorship. Someome mentioned £2m if so that is great.
If though they only get advertisement Ignoring the collections & them being the clubs main chariyty as that could happen anyway.
Would it not be better to get a sponsor then increase what the club handsover to them?
Comment 72, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.35 pm

FatKevs said:

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Carew stated his comitment at the PYA to the club. MoN still had a dig at him though about his lucky goal. I am sure there is some bad blood there but they are both professionals getting on with the job.
Comment 73, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.39 pm

gregdavillain said:

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true villain
man city in for naughton, hoping to outbid us! well that aint gonna be hard!
if we lose the chance to sign him, yet again it will be by being to slow to close a deal, will we ever learn!!


i dunno what u mean by that, theres been nothing official that are ever in for this club only speculation, and if we are in for him how do u no its o'neill draggin his heels maybe the player wants to hear all offers on the table.

im sick of every1 slating oneill, the only facts we know is he is a pretty intelligent guy and the first chance ye get to critiize ye blame him for everything, give him a chance, appreciate we know what he's doing so if things arnt going our way maybe its the other factors that are the preoble, like naughton, agents etc

theres little loyalty from alot of villa fans im gettting fed up with it. True villain im onlly usuing ur post as an example and im not trying to offend u personally.
Comment 74, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.56 pm

gregdavillain said:

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i dunno what u mean by that, theres been nothing official that we were ever in for this player, only speculation, and if we are in for him how do u no its o'neill draggin his heels maybe the player wants to hear all offers on the table.

ps this f**king laptop drive me crazy for typin
Comment 75, made on June 28, 2009 at 4.58 pm

ryandavillain4life said:

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alexander hleb 2 villa
Comment 76, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.17 pm

kohoutek, home now and name still not working properly said:

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Sometimes the cynicism is a little over the top. I don't think RL has been blowing smoke up our asses, and I don't think his pronouncement about the funds being there is about season ticket sales.

But that does raise the point that if Villa fans want Villa to push on, a part of that is selling out the park every week. Of course it's a personal decision, but I think the product and the intent and the good faith demonstrated, imho, by RL deserves a full house.
Comment 77, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.17 pm

Doc3d said:

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All it would take is 1 big signing and all you MoN slaters will shut up
Comment 78, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.25 pm

Steve Badger said:

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how do u no its o'neill draggin his heels maybe the player wants to hear all offers on the table.


Of course.
And all players are the same.

And for whoever mentioned about Mr Lerner talking about Barry, it would seem that Barry had intimated he was going to stay at Villa and the club were genuinely shocked at him going.

You can read Mr Lerner's comments about money however you like, but when he said money "will be there", it's plainly obvious to me that he meant it'll be there as soon as MON wants it. And seeing as no deals have been done, he obviously doesn't need it yet.
As for why doesn't he say how much we have, well that's just a joke.

RL will provide decent funds and I'm absolutely convinced fingers are in pies.
Comment 79, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.34 pm

Greg1981 said:

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It's not about MON slaters. It's about wanting the best for the team. Stay real. At the moment, with the present team, we are a bottom half club. One big signing will put us half way up the table. Three top players to stand still.

What we do know now is that not making a real push 18 months ago, on the back of the initial progress made, was a big mistake. MONs reading of the situation, and his ability in the transfer market, is pretty average so far.

When it's looking bad we need to call it for the good of the club. Blind loyalty has held the club back for generations. Don't support Lerner or O'Neill. Support the Villa.
Comment 80, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.44 pm

ryandavillain4life said:

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abcdefghijklmnopqestuvwxyz
Comment 81, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.47 pm

Dr Gonzo said:

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I'd take Borowski
Comment 82, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.47 pm

THE AV VILLAN said:

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I would be happy if we signed anyone!!! Anybody at all!!!!

Come ON MON!!! Sort It Out!!!
Comment 83, made on June 28, 2009 at 5.58 pm

Doc3d said:

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And how much do you think he should spend? And on who?
Comment 84, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.06 pm

keithj said:

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after reading some of the comments on here i suggest that some of you NEVER play poker with mon
Comment 85, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.11 pm

Fitzy_7 said:

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yawn.. so many players have we been linked to now without actually signing any of them??
Comment 86, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.12 pm

gregdavillain said:

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As for why doesn't he say how much we have, well that's just a joke.


i thinks this is not to make other clubs aware of how much they can bleed us for, look at figure ac and utd are being quoted at the mo as they have recieved enormous amounts of money and real are being quoted 41 mill for alonso cause every knows they're throwing around money, same for man city..... id like to no whats in the coughers but its prob good business that we dont.


greg1881, i will support a manager i have faith in, ive called for managers heads b4 but oneill is doing a decent job and one point i keep stressing and maybe im da only one who see's it and am just plain wrong, but we have been so unfashionable for so long we cant expect to sign top players realistically until maybe now, there should be an improved in players brought in this year after the 3 years hard work being done players should have faith to come here again. that wasnt gonna happen in the first year or even 2 and maybe too early in 3 years because there are still more fashionable clubs out there across europe than us, so we cant blame o'neill for that. as a fan u can demand it but if its not realistic those demands can be detrimental to the club, we should support our club, and blind faith aint a bad thing if we're not on danger of relegation and things are being run right, the fans are there to be a 12th man to lift the team, we are there for the club and the club is there for us and we should be supporting players and management alike
Comment 87, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.15 pm

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i think we are startin to book our ideas up and thank god MON is showing some interest in foreign players like hleb and borowski they are two great players when given the chance and it would seriously have a good impact on the midfield and have you the sol campbell rumour, if it turns out to be true i think it would be a good signing because he has the experiance and knows the prem inside out and we would get him on a free because his contract runs out at the end of the season
Comment 88, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.20 pm

Rich said:

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Worrying

Just been listening to Talk Sport, where Mirror correspondent 'adding flesh' to transfer rumours. Seemed to know Harry set on Ashley Young.

Also Everton fan phoned in saying Owen was a done deal. Apparently been 'playing golf with Moyes' and discussing final details.
Comment 89, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.26 pm

Rich said:

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Oh and Eto offered £180,000 per week after tax by Man City. £25 million fee to Barca. Obscene.
Comment 90, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.30 pm

Steve Badger said:

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Just been listening to Talk Sport, where Mirror correspondent 'adding flesh' to transfer rumours. Seemed to know Harry set on Ashley Young.


That wouldn't surprise me at all.

But that doesn't means it has any chance of happening.
Stop worrying. Ash is going absolutely nowhere this year and if he was, it certainly wouldn't be spuds.
Comment 91, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.34 pm

whining_villain said:

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that robbie keane rumour would be great if was true but very unlikely seen as thought he left liverpool
Comment 92, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.38 pm

Villa4life said:

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well i think ellis is still in charge....coming from those randy lerner remarks... as for tim Borowski... he is a good player and at 29 is just right at 5m as barry was 28-coming up to 29 for 12 mil...... simple
Comment 93, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.41 pm

Villa4life said:

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i forgot to mention that MON needs to do something as im sick to hear about man city getting player after player...... samual eto'o and Tevez to add to the squad of 6 other strikers..... are they just going to buy every player in the world

Comment 94, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.42 pm

Greg1981 said:

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gregdavillain:

I agree with your points except the one:

'that wasnt gonna happen in the first year or even 2 and maybe too early in 3 years because there are still more fashionable clubs out there across europe than us, so we cant blame o'neill for that.'

We were in the good position last year. Had we moved on with more signings at that stage - better nous from MON and yes more cash from Lerner we could have really gone for it. Not doing more and better in Jan window was a big mistake. In England we were 5th in line last year and with a story to tell and the media were plugging us everyday. Now we are back in the pack. Man City aren't fashionable; just going somewhere.

Again, keep supporting the team but NO blind faith (sorry, that's two things I don't agree with). If it's rubbish, call it. Simply being run properly isn't acceptable for a team sitting in one of the biggest fan catchment areas in European football.

Now we could be back to fingernail biting time next season against the bluenoses when we should have left them miles behind.
Comment 95, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.44 pm

upthevilla said:

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Mon,although a great motivator is so inept in the transfer market it beggers belief. I really think that he thinks he does always know best...even Fergie makes mistakes. His ability to attract non english players is based on his "old big head" approach and the type of football his teams produce. Time for change. Erickson for me.
Comment 96, made on June 28, 2009 at 6.47 pm

Steve Badger said:

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Erickson for me.


Not for me. I'd take MON over him any day.

Done nothing special for England, Man city sacked after less than a year , Mexico sacked after less than a year. I wonder Why?
And the way he puts it about would become bigger than the club.
Comment 97, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.00 pm

pete said:

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just a quick one has anyone thought all these players. being bought buy shitie just mite upset the apple cart a stadium with all those egos . wot happens when hughes say to one of them your sub f;;k me there be some tears and tantrums. to many prema donnas for them to play as a team i think PLEASE LET ME BE RIGHT
Comment 98, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.03 pm

truevillan said:

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gregdavillan
well i am offended and will never speak to ya again!! joke!
i dont want to be negative, but 5 transfer windows have shown MON is neither the quickest or best at buying players, as iv said before, ashley young and maybe carew aside, name a player he has bought who is worth more now?
i did mention i am waiting until next week and the chance to register players opens, but if we do not have any signings already lined up with our limited squad then it really would begin to concern me.
i just wish we could get some good foreign talent, we have done our bit for the England cause, but we have very few players with type of talents some of the foreigners have and that we need.
we have one of the fastest attacks in the premeirship, but due to our slow build ups we dont always capitalise on this advantage, i think a few foreign players capable of an accurate long pass or dribble through midfield could use this speed and cause more trouble.
i reckon gabby would really benefit from some one capable of sending him an accurate, precise ball to chase down.
Comment 99, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.20 pm

gregdavillain said:

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i agree with all u said there in your last post and i think ur spot on other that 'quickest or best at buying players'... ok i kinda agree with the quickest part, now again though i dont think this may always be his fault cuz i believe he plays by the book, and maybe that maybe a flaw but a good one. In terms of 'best buys' dont forget we just as a club have not being in position for better players but we are building back up to it.

everything else i wholeheartedly agree, we've had such a weak midfield for years now id love to see a real crowd pleaser come in, someone who can boss midfield and get us a goal against the run of play.
of oneilla signings at the time sidwell and shorey looked good buys, cuellar had a good reputation, ashley young is now worth a mint, carew is possibly the best target man in the league, heskey although not a fan favourite will do a job next year hopefully as a squad player, the crowd loves luke young, davies is one for the future and came with a big rep as a promising centre back, james milner is a good player for us and will only get better, now zat knight who tries his best may not be up to the standard but a good squad player all the same, harewood i dunno why, reo coker is a good ball winner and should be played to rest petrov in between european games this season and petrov was player of the year last year when we flirted with top 4 till febuary, so really all in all oneills signings havnt been bad, we've built a strong foundation and we need da bit of class and flair now and i think if we get it we'll be well set up
Comment 100, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.38 pm

Greg1981 said:

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Yes, MON shouldn't be allowed to buy anyone. Ash was indeed a stroke of genius and Carew and Petrov were good deals; but that's about it.

None of us want to be negative, but we are 6 weeks away from the start of the season. We were really poor on our last 6 months form and we've lost our best player. This is all turning into a bad dream.

Foreign, home grown, whatever - anyone - just some quality. Imagine if a creative Sid type or a Merse was releasing Gabs and Ash? And imagine, still more, if Barry was alongside him? Could’ve been us if MON and RL had pushed on a year ago.
Comment 101, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.41 pm

gregdavillain said:

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CALM down greg 6 months bad form what calendar have u?? our form dipped feb5th till mid may where we picked up 2 wins..... thats 2 n ahalf months really.......
Comment 102, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.53 pm

Simeon said:

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truvillan, those precise passes you mention were provided in abundance by Gareth Barry, the best passer of a ball in the Premiership. Counter-attacking football needs either that kind of passing, or pacy dribbling, to work (and the measured long pass beat the dribble hands down every time, if not necesarily for aesthetic effect). And people wonder why some of us are so pessimistic about our prospects! One of the central pillars of our style of play has gone. This is why the signing of Huddlestone would make some sense, because he has a range of passing that doesn't compare too unfavourable to Barry's. But of course that part of his game isn't as good as Barry's, and he offers the tiniest of fractions in other areas that Barry does. So even making a potentially sensible signing would still see us taking a big step backwards.
Comment 103, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.55 pm

mr_chips said:

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alexander helb from barca? according to 'goal.com' what do we thnk?
Comment 104, made on June 28, 2009 at 7.56 pm

Mark said:

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Greg1981: There's only one other manager in the "also rans" premier league - David Moyes - who has a record to match MON over the past few seasons. The players that MON has bought, HIS team have given us consistent results. Give the man some credit for knowing something. I have been going down the Villa since our third division days and in my opinion we have never had such a good platform to build on as we do this year. All of this at a time when player power has undermined managerial skills like never before.

"Bad dream"? Are you kidding? On what basis?
Comment 105, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.02 pm

Steve Badger said:

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and we've lost our best player


i think you'll find most fans think Barry wasn't our best player last season.
Who was club player of the year?
Comment 106, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.04 pm

Fitzy_7 said:

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jees this place is a sea of depression smilies/cry.gifsmilies/cry.gif

did anyone see david o' leary's interview with the daily mail he's one bitter man
Comment 107, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.12 pm

gregdavillain said:

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hose precise passes you mention were provided in abundance by Gareth Barry, the best passer of a ball in the Premiership.


hahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhhaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahah
ahahhaha

call a doctor my sides are splitting
Comment 108, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.13 pm

Keith said:

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I like the idea pf promoting the youngsters but do we have enough of them. They should not be ever present as in the main it destroys them. after all that is what a club is about traditionally I would have loved the moore brothers partnership to work we have had a number of promising youngsters dissapear like all clubs that is where real management comes to play/quote]


Wow i agree 100% with a comment from Fatkevs. The drugs must be kicking in.
Comment 109, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.25 pm

Keith said:

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And i still can't get this quote thing to work properly !!!!!!
Comment 110, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.26 pm

Rich said:

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on BBC 606. Bentley was at VP on Saturday

www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A53776939
Comment 111, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.28 pm

Fitzy_7 said:

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yep and my dog who works on the training ground barked at posters of michael owen so i put 2 and 2 together and owen was at the training ground smilies/cheesy.gifsmilies/cheesy.gif
Comment 112, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.52 pm

gregdavillain said:

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i have a massive erection we must be signing anna kournakova!!!!!!!!
Comment 113, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.54 pm

Ian_Villa said:

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If we have 20 mil to spend plus the 12 mil from the judas sale. Who would you spend the 32 mil on?
Comment 114, made on June 28, 2009 at 8.56 pm

truevillan said:

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truvillan, those precise passes you mention were provided in abundance by Gareth Barry, the best passer of a ball in the Premiership.
WHAT! christ, i liked barry, but the best passer!! could occassionaly do a decent cross but never anything dangerous, that would release our front men, and never had a good game against any of the top teams!
he did used to have a half decent cross into the box from the left of midfield, but never saw that last season.
if we got a player like defour, i for one would be happy with that swap!
Comment 115, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.09 pm

Keith said:

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gregdavillain

massive? really?
Comment 116, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.10 pm

Daniel Wilson said:

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Kournikova is so 2001 Greg mate, it's all about Ivanovich and Cirstea now, damn, moving swiftly on... smilies/tongue.gif
Comment 117, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.19 pm

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I think its fair to say that Lerner will have dollar signs in his eyes with the prospects of 15M from Ashley Young, maybe he can add it to the large warchest for the Browns. Every close season Villa are always last out the blocks, I fully expect them to fall flat on there face next season unless there is some fast vast improvement in the transfer policy. I have just read an article from the "hated DOL", frankly, he does have a point. MON has critisised the fans pretty much as bad as O'Leary did, last season several times. DOL given the money MON has had would have likely to have finished higher than 6th, remember MON threw away 4th or 5th last season because of a "small squad", either MON is extremely poor in the market or the Chairman isn't backing him. Knock my views all you like, but its facts.
Comment 118, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.24 pm

Daniel Wilson said:

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Frosty 15M would be a ridiculous amount for Ash, he wont be going anywhere unless something 30+ comes in, don't worry!
Comment 119, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.26 pm

daniel wheeler said:

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[ MON is extremely poor in the market or the Chairman isn't backing him. /quote]

both may be true imo
Comment 120, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.28 pm

David Tyler said:

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Erickson for me


I would cry if that happened. Losing MON and gaining Sven would truly be a dark day in the history of this illustrious club.

Borowski for £5M? I'd take it. Barry added an old head and TB could do the same, even though we'd still need to add a bit of guile.

Nearly 1st of July smilies/wink.gif
Comment 121, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.29 pm

daniel wheeler said:

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by the way damo.
thought your suggestion had worked but it didn't
still have to log on every time i come on.
Comment 122, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.30 pm

confusedvillafan said:

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frosty get back to bed youve got school in the morning
Comment 123, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.33 pm

daniel wheeler said:

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DOL may be a c££k but he does have a point.smilies/tongue.gifsmilies/tongue.gif
Comment 124, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.34 pm

Tim said:

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I see we also seem favorites to sign Eidur Gudjonsson, that would be a good move as ive always rated him pretty highly.

As on a post a few ago Villa are interested in Alexander Hleb !!

Get him in he's class, also Stefan Dafour.

I'd be happy with Big Sol also plus that Portugeese Defender.

I await with anticipation that we get these players, but as usual ill wait with beighted breath until they sign on the dotted line.

Comment 125, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.38 pm

gregdavillain said:

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keevilla if msssive means small then yes smilies/grin.gif

dan wilson , i still wudnt throw her out of da bed for farting smilies/wink.gif

In fairness to oneill he didnt really critize he just tried to preotect gabby from da boo's, o'leary did call the fans fickle and in truth we are, we must be the most frustrated, impatient and ungratfull bunch goin, but its only because of years of hurt and underachievment
Comment 126, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.42 pm

Steve Badger said:

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I think its fair to say that Lerner will have dollar signs in his eyes with the prospects of 15M from Ashley Young


And I think it's fair to say you're talking out of your arse Frosty smilies/cheesy.gif

£15 mill?
Don't make me laugh mate.
Comment 127, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.45 pm

gregdavillain said:

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this might cheer ye up:
Two old ladies were outside their nursing home, having a smoke, when it started to rain. One of the ladies pulled out a condom, cut off the end and put it over her cigarette, and continued smoking.

Lady 1: What's that?
Lady 2: A condom. This way my cigarette doesn't get wet.
Lady 1: Where did you get it?
Lady 2: You can get them at any drugstore.

The next day, Lady 1 hobbles herself into the local drugstore and announces to the pharmacist that she wants a box of condoms.

The pharmacist asks her very delicately what brand she prefers.

Lady 1: Doesn't matter son, as long as it fits a Camel.

The pharmacist fainted.
Comment 128, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.47 pm

Steve Badger said:

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If we have 20 mil to spend plus the 12 mil from the judas sale. Who would you spend the 32 mil on?


Ian_Villa,

Seeing as I reckon that's a realistic figure, I think that's a really good question.
It pretty well rules out a top signing doesn't it?

I don't know who I'd sign, but 3 10 mill players isn't going to be enough, imo.

I think it'll prove very difficult, with players(sid,NRC)going and us being forced to actually use the kids as backup this year.
I'm glad I'm not in MON's position.
Comment 129, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.56 pm

fatkevs said:

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I do not want Dol Back but he has a point

'At the end of the day, Martin, for all the money he has spent over three years – and they’re raving about him – hasn’t finished any higher than what I finished.

DOL's record P131 W47
MON's record P138 W54

Seven Games in it

No £30m Striker the equivelent of Dougs Striker in todays market & we are red£73m

Comment 130, made on June 28, 2009 at 9.56 pm

James Clift said:

Jimbo Daventry Villa
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O'leary has unfortunatley spoken the truth.
Comment 131, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.01 pm

Frosty said:

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DanWilson82, yes you would think that 15M would be ridiculous to sell Ashley Young for, but you have to remember that we are dealing with a manager who has a very poor track record with players. My opinion is as follows to his track record.

A.Young - Good
L.Young - OKish
Carew - Good
Petrov - Good
Friedel - Good, for a few seasons
Guzan - Verdict still out on him but no better than Taylor was
Sidwell - ??? Never played - Injured - NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO REPLACE FIRST 11 PLAYER - 5M
Davies - Very Poor for 9M - would rather have Gary Cahill
Knight - Accident Prone Poor
Shorey - Poor
Reo-coker - Never played so cant comment
Milner - Never worth 12M and is potentially been touted as a right back
Heskey - Is he a squad player? Poor so far
Harewood - 4M+ for a player with a major crisis of confidence
Salifou - Poor
Cuelarr - Poor so far

I expected to see a squad put together that would have players who could COMPETENTLY cover a position as good or at least nearly as good as first choice 11 players. The money that has been wasted resembles money wasted by Tottenham over the past few years but in a much smaller quantity. The bookies odds are as such that we are 7th favourite for the title, i.e will finish 7th. This would indicate a step backwards. I really hope we do not return to the days where a 2/3 year period between management changes occurs. But unfortunately I suspect that IF we are expecting to spend SIGNIFICANTLY less than previous years as Lerner has stated, then with Man City's spending power and the stability that is creaping into Tottenham, I can only see the squad going stale and deminishing even more. I hope I am proven wrong, but don't expect to be.
Comment 132, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.01 pm

Fitzy_7 said:

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hahahahaha greg now that joke was funny smilies/grin.gifsmilies/grin.gif

any more?
Comment 133, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.03 pm

gregdavillain said:

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he amounts of money being spent in da last 3 years is higher than back then, in fairness dol would make a gr8 no.2 he has an eye for a player and is a chequebook manager, but the way he'd take credit for himself when winning and blame the palyers when losing said it all about him tbh
Comment 134, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.04 pm

fatkevs said:

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We do not know the limitations have been placed on Mon by the chairman.
Mon really wanted the CL spot & gambled everything.
He could see we needed players yet we got Heskey, I am sure he wanted more.
Randy was counting on the GB Sale last summer it did not happen so i GUESS that is why, before Mon went on his Hols, Randy Said he was confident in keeping Gareth then santioned the deal when m
MoN was on the jet.
Comment 135, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.12 pm

fatkevs said:

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I second DoL for No2
Comment 136, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.12 pm

Carl Main said:

Maindog
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My mate's mum's brother in law's dentist has a mate whos wife works at Villa Park and she said that Messi was having a beer in the Holt inn with Randy and MON on Saturday......
Comment 137, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.31 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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so i GUESS that is why, before Mon went on his Hols, Randy Said he was confident in keeping Gareth then santioned the deal when m
MoN was on the jet.


And it's a crap guess.

MON sanctioned the deal because he had made a promise.
Mon was on the jet, so what? Do you really think he wouldn't have known what was going on? Does it take weeks to fly to the US?

Have a read of this link. 2 people saying the club were shocked, as Barry had pretty well said he was saying.

http://boards.footymad.net/for...230&page=1

And stop with the 100% negative guessing.

Can't you guess something positive for a change?
Comment 138, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.35 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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* staying, that is
Comment 139, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.37 pm

whitey said:

0
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Borowski is of similar ability to Barry and yet he can tackle, so get him in! Left footed, good passer. Big f**ker.

Can't see it happening though. Why would Bayern be selling one of their top German internationals to Villa? Doesn't make sense.

Tommy Hitzlsperger would make more sense but no links sadly.

Can anyone explain why I, as a season ticket holder didn't bother going to another home game after Stoke equalised and yet I am now checking every website for any tenuous transfer rumour? There seems to be a distinct lack of perspective here.

It's always the same. And I do play cricket so there is my excuse. I am not fickle. Oh no.
Comment 140, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.38 pm

Shakey4 said:

0
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Anyone seen that Onyewu for USA, very good centre half. Plays for Standard Liege 27 years old. Think he would be a great buy
Comment 141, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.38 pm

gregdavillain said:

0
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this ones for you fitzy baby!!

went to the Pre-ejaculation Clinic today. The problem was that when I got there everyone was gone. I guess I came early.
Comment 142, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.40 pm

Doc3d said:

0
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Bentley - 8mil. Naughton - 6mil. Jurado - 7mil. Richards - 8mil. Defour - 14mil. Total - 33mil
Comment 143, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.41 pm

gregdavillain said:

0
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fatkevs all we need now is sombody to pass th emotion!!! ah i dobt think he'd ever be accepted bak here again, after reading the interview i can remember just what a smamy bastard he was!!! 'mourinho rates me' 'capello came down off the top tanle and asked me when da hell are you getting bak in da game'!! what a self-seving tosser, but he did sign bouma and laursen, and i think with money he does no classy players (he did sign berson and djemba djemba for a million quid but da guy hadnt money to spend so if u pay peanuts u get monkeys!!)
Comment 144, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.43 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Bentley - 8mil. Naughton - 6mil. Jurado - 7mil. Richards - 8mil. Defour - 14mil. Total - 33mil


Good call Doc.

I hope it's something like that.
It might shut the constantly moning gets up.
I doubt it though.
Comment 145, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.47 pm

Daniel Wilson said:

DanWilson82
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A gift for half the users of this forum -

Comment 146, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.47 pm

kenvilla said:

0
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I find it really funny how some of you have forgotten that o'leary had 1 good season when he finished 6th but then took us down to 16th in 3 seasons after he did spend a reasonable amount of money on transfers. MON has had quite a lot to spend on transfers but he has sustained a top 6 finish which O'leary could not do. I really do hope that Martin brings in the rite men for the job. Hleb, Defour and Upson as our main signings would work for me with Pennant on a free transfer as a squad player and maybe owen on a free would be a great transfer followed by promoting some youngsters into the 1st team. If this came off I would be over the moon.
Comment 147, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.47 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Er, total 43M though.
Comment 148, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.48 pm

gregdavillain said:

0
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ninus da 12 nade on barry though badge
Comment 149, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.51 pm

FatKevs said:

0
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We do noy need to like him if he can find players ( i thought berson had an eye for a pass). I cannot see Mon Thinking now there a man that an help me out
Comment 150, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.51 pm

FatKevs said:

0
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Badger its worth considering why we have trouble in spotting tallent instead of thinking everything is magic.
We will need paul daniels next season to repeat a challenge on the top 4
Comment 151, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.53 pm

gregdavillain said:

0
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oi danwilson ne upjohn 90's? they'd go down a treat mate!!!!!!!!!!
Comment 152, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.54 pm

Doc3d said:

0
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Errrrr yeah. Maths. Duh. Still the sort of money MoN should have.
Comment 153, made on June 28, 2009 at 10.55 pm

Benny Tallis said:

Top_6_Villa
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*Does anyone know how much acorns get out of the sponsorship. Someome mentioned £2m if so that is great.*

The 2 million mentioned is what Villa lose as that is what any shirt sponsor would of had to pay for sponsorship.

i think the acorns sponsorship is free advertisiement in conjunction with other deals that see money going to them
Comment 154, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.01 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Badger its worth considering why we have trouble in spotting tallent instead of thinking everything is magic.
We will need paul daniels next season to repeat a challenge on the top 4


WE KNOW, as you constantly keep telling us.
But bloody hell, the only way you can challenge now is throw stupid money at it like Citeh.
That isn't going to happen and you have to accept it.

Or you build steadily like MON is doing.

Most of see that and we're willing to have a bit of patience and see how things go. That's football.
I've seen many posts recently suggesting a major club is going to go tits up. I agree.
But it won't be Villa.

As for the 2-3 year manager cycle, I agree with that too.

I hope MON gets at least 5 years, as I can see him emulating Ferguson.
Then again, with the negativity, he'll probably be gone before that.

Comment 155, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.02 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Greg, i forgot the Judas money.
Comment 156, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.03 pm

gregdavillain said:

0
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lol how could u forget the best passer in the premiership smilies/grin.gif
Comment 157, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.16 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Tbf, Greg, Barry does do the straightforward stuff and doesn't give it away much, so his stats would look very good.
Which is where I reckon he go his views from.

To say he's a fantastic passer is a bit ermm smilies/cheesy.gif
Comment 158, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.23 pm

gregdavillain said:

0
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come on the guy was ok, he never oozed class i used to like him because he had a good peno and was consistent enuf without ever setting the world alight, his passing was average, 10 yards to the left, not much telling passes and he rarely dominated the midfield, he was composed and good at holding the ball up up and doing that little cirlce turn he used to do, u no the one in tight space he would keep the ball well at times but in fairness for me was always found out against good oppositon, lampard n gerrard used to make a fool of em.....

i think him leaving has opened a door and im not being sour grapes, im 26 and hes been at villa since i was 14 thats nearly half my life!!! i wish him well, but he's replaceable
Comment 159, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.34 pm

gregdavillain said:

0
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oh sorry i was taking da utter piss out of simeon in case u didnt notice with my 'he's da best passer in da prem' read his post way up!!!
Comment 160, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.36 pm

Rich said:

0
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Doc

Like your list but no centre half!! (and it adds up to 43M,not 33M if nobody has spotted this already).

Possibly don't need Jerado and Defour.

Naughton 6M; Bentley 8M; Jerado 7M; Dunne 4M; Hangeland 12M; Owen free

Total 37M with income from Barry and possibly another 4M from Knight and Harewood - Net Spend 21M. surely this is not beyond our means and would represent a significant improvement.
Comment 161, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.40 pm

Rich said:

0
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Just read the threads, which I hadn't bothered to do B4 and see Matths errors already noted. Sorry
Comment 162, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.43 pm

FatKevs said:

0
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Badger does that stop us spotting tallent then.
I think DoL or his scouts had a better eye for a player at the lower end of the market
I do not like Mons style of football but it is effective
My only isue with MoN like many others is his transfer accumin
Comment 163, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.45 pm

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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Badger does that stop us spotting tallent then.


Kev, MON has been out scouting. How about looking at it from a POV that he knows what he wants, but hasn't seen it yet, at the right money?
We're supposed to have a great academy and great reserves, so we don't need to be looking at youth bargains.
My bitch would be why aren't we blooding these kids?

Our scouting network has been dire for years, but we're supposed to be building it back up now. You can only trust that things get better.
If they don't in a couple of years, it'll be a major moan of mine too.

Comment 164, made on June 28, 2009 at 11.54 pm

truevillan said:

0
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just seen MON being thrown out of sainsburys!
his missus had sent him there this morning for the sunday joint, he wanted best beef, decided that pork would be better value, then decided to see what was left at the end of the day in the'special offers' counter!
unfortunately left it too late to buy anything, now rummaging around the bins!!
Comment 165, made on June 29, 2009 at 12.08 am

Doc3d said:

0
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Naughton n jurado need to be definites. They both oozing potential n wanna come
Comment 166, made on June 29, 2009 at 12.09 am

Steve Badger said:

Badger
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I think DoL or his scouts had a better eye for a player at the lower end of the market


Bakke or the Djembas ring a bell?

Guess who bought Djembas before Villa?
Comment 167, made on June 29, 2009 at 12.14 am

Villapete said:

0
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Keane has lost a yard of pace so no thks.
Bentley 8M; Hangeland 10M; van der Vaart 10M; Hleb 7M
I think Hleb would be great for us
Comment 168, made on June 29, 2009 at 12.27 am

Matt T said:

Matt T
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I think people should give MON some credit - the guy deserves another 3-4 years just to build the brand up to something solid. Let's face it he's hardly the type to just leave and abandon ship and I believe he has his heart in with Villa.

Ok yes the guy does tend to leave things late with transfers but look at where he's got us since he took over - a lot higher than 2 places above relegation.

If we're still finishing 6th in 4 years time, or if we finish in the middle/bottom half of the table next season, I'd be asking questions.

Till then - give the guy some chance to do something for the club. We have a solid chairman who is offering to support MON all the way financially. Fact of the matter is that MON takes his time with purchases - it's just who it is.

We can't just find and get quality players straight off the bat in our current standing. 1982 Champions of Europe we may be but we haven't won anything of note since the League Cup in 96. It's not just a case of offering lots of money and knowing that will work. A) That isn't MONs style and B) we couldn't compete with Man City on that level anyway. This isn't Football Manager after all...
Comment 169, made on June 29, 2009 at 2.23 am

Jason said:

Spanishjon
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I just love the prices people come up with for players of other clubs! we demanded £18million for Barry last season, yet some people think we will get Bentley for £7million. Your taking the piss, he will cost at least £10mil, and Haagerland is rated very highly at about £12million, and when a player has 3 years left on his contract he will probably go for higher than that price. Especially if Wheater is going to cost £8mil. I would like both but we could also do with Sol Campbell - certainly not as a first team player, but someone great to fill in and to help bring Davis along.

I still can't see who we're going to sign as our creative midfielder, one thing I wanted to ask people was - Who has MON signed in the past (at any club) who plays that role of lock picker. I can't really think of anyone but i don't know his previous first 11's that well. I would seriously NOT recommend Defour - just info i've been given, but we'll see.
Comment 170, made on June 29, 2009 at 3.02 am

Rich said:

0
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Villapete - can't argue mate, all of the quality that we need to improve. A perfect wish list, unfortunately (and it shouldn't be the case) Van der Vaart may be unrealistic. Worth asking though!
Comment 171, made on June 29, 2009 at 8.30 am

Damian said:

Damian
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When I said contradictory I meant in the way that just a few weeks ago it was 'we won't have as much money to spend as last year' to 'money is there for martin' very much suggests it is dumbing down and then building up expectations

it reminds me of ellis. it doesn't have to remind others of ellis and i'm not saying it is the same thing as ellis but it is happening at the same time, much like krulak when he started saying there was £30mn. for one player if the manager wanted it

it is getting said to sell season tickets
Comment 172, made on June 29, 2009 at 10.12 am

David J said:

0
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Damian - I stll haven't changed my pro-Lerner stance but I think you're right about the timingf of this latest quote.

When someone speaks so rarely you have to fancy that everything they do say will have been carefully planned and its impact analysed.

I've thought for a while that we won't be spending much this summer and RL seemed to back that up in an interview a few weeks ago.

This quote seems to suggest otherwise without explicitly saying so, and it does come across as an attempt to sell season tickets.

We'll know one way or the other come August 31st - let's hope we're in for a pleasant surprise
Comment 173, made on June 29, 2009 at 10.53 am

Halfwit said:

0
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Every year lerner says this the problem is getting martin o neill to spend it something he finds difficult to do
Comment 174, made on June 30, 2009 at 4.52 am

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