Aston Villa pick up a point at Everton but there is hope of better to come

Paul Lambert has mixed emotions from yesterday and I feel exactly how I thought I'd feel. To sum it up, I asked Twitter for some words and the two that came back were encouraging and predictable. And, I think they're good words.

Predictable is spot on. I even predicted goals and the draw yesterday, but also because we sat back too easily. Encouraging, because the manager played four at the back and we scored three times.

And even had we not thrown away the two points yesterday, we'd still be in the relegation zone and I think that needs to be stressed because that is how serious our predicament is at the moment.

But another prediction; that will change next Sunday after we beat West Ham and Wigan and Reading both lose. But Reading must lose because of goal difference. I hope that it doesn't end on goal difference.

The match

It started with a Benteke goal after two minutes and at the time, I didn't think this a good thing. I thought we'd sit back for the rest of the game trying to defend it and we did. But we also looked to attack.

When they got the equaliser twenty minutes later, I honestly thought that was it. They had had the lions share of possession, a few corners and were looking dangerous, but then everything changed. Three minutes after they equalised, Gabby Agbonlahor scored a goal for Aston Villa.

And we went in at half time leading. Then, we entered territory not that unfamiliar to us. With thirty minutes to go, we got a third and this was probably our undoing. After the third went in we sort of sat back. We still went forward but we didn't move forward with real purpose. We moved forward aware that we had a two goal lead.

And when the second went in for Everton, it was only a matter of time before they got the equaliser. It was written in the stars.

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There is hope

But, from the performance yesterday, there is reason to be hopeful and even though I've predicted a win next weekend, I'm not predicting we remain in this league. We're still one of three favourites to go down according to the bookmakers and one result doesn't change that.

We need to beat West Ham. We then need to get something at Arsenal or we might very well find ourselves back in the bottom three. The sad truth is that because of the mess we're in, we have to get something from every game now or find ourselves back in the relegation zone.

But, there is hope. Hopefully.

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  • Guest - Trinity London

    Sorry, Answer

  • Regarding purchases of players outside the transfer window. There is a clause.

    "However, many transfers will not be completed until 1 July because many players' contracts expire on 30 June. Outside of the transfer window, a club may still sign players on an emergency basis, usually if they have no goalkeeper available. Special dispensation from their competition's governing body, for example the Premier League, is required."

    Does this statement apply to us because we have no defenders available ? ;););)

    Maybe the FA would be lenient towards us, as we're not cheating the new UEFA financial fair play system(only just). And allow Villa to sign an out of contract defender on a free... ? ;)

  • Guest - B6 villa

    The problem is the defence, how many games and weeks of training does it take to sort it out, and why not buy a strong CD in the summer or jan to sort it out. Sick of it when it's the same f**king excuse and also allowing lower league teams to take the p1$$ out of us too. The main reason we have dropped points from winning positions.

  • Hi Guys

    Been working in London at an Exhibition until last night - what the general view was the second half against the barcodes any good did we play better at Everton. I have read the post and there seesm to be a mixed view????

    Right off to 5-a-side back later to review your responses - ps i tought we would have at least tried to buy Scott Dann!

  • just come on to see whats been said.
    its all gone a bit quiet on here.
    the television is worse than the villa.sweet fa wortth watching and we have all these extra channels.
    windofchange,post22657,
    im sick of talking about it"lamberts response when asked about conceding another goal from a corner-well guess what paul? so are we!!!
    yes we are.so why isnt it corrected in training.who is our defensive coach.thats if weve got one.

  • vancouver,
    mate we dont want a joint investor,lerner must just sell up.
    thats if their are people out their willing to take over.if not god knows where this bloke will take us.

  • jcv

    It's psychological for the players now - like England and the penalty shoot outs!

    Although I've been a bit disappointed with Vlaar a few times lately - to many basic errors.

  • Guest - George

    I read a post on here in the last few days that our wage bill was on a par with Spurs and considerably higher than Newcastle's.

    I have also remember reading that it's not the transfer fee that was screwing us but the wages people wanted to be paid.

    Reading between the lines it suggests that the Aston Villa manager (whoever that might be) has to work within a certain strict threshold of 'total cost of salaries' ... maybe in line with Spurs...or Newcastle's? This would seem to make sense and offer some logic to something that seems superficially illogical.

    This would also certainly explain PL's recent comments.

    If this is the case the sooner we can shift out some of the high earning deadwood the better - imagine what we could do with just Ireland's wages and $5m in transfer fees to spend!.

    This doesn't excuse any of the mistakes that PL has made but what it does highlight is the fact that it is the shocking ineptitude that Lerner and Fatty have overseen in the previous few years is what is the cause of our current problem.

    Also if this is the case why the fukc don't they come out and publicly say it?

    There is only one reason for that - they don't have the balls!

    They have fukced up and don't have the balls to step up to the plate and apologise to the fans!

    Wan kers!!!!!!!!!!!

  • pace,
    the whole defence is shell shocked.same as midfield.when you look at our line up,lambert is only relying on 2 players in there.gabby or nzog are not midfielders.

  • Guest - potts

    we cannot trust billybob and the fat controller .we discus were we may be playing our football next season . let me say after the last few seasons i was on board with trying young hungry players . we had all the big time charlies on silly money and it did not give much return in the long run. so ok young and hungry it is, the only draw back with young and hungry is you still have to try and get the ball off david villa or out muscle vincent kompany , my worry is if we go down i do not think there will be big investment . and we had a little taste of lower div football in the cups . its a mare to get out of the fizzy pop .we should go all out to stay in the prem . but i think the none purchase of a cd said it all vtid ( we will not go quitely into the night )

  • george,
    but that was when mon was manager.and even if we get rid of the other high earners,
    how are we expected to compete with those sides,in the future.

  • jcv

    I can't really disagree. The only hope is that it might suddenly click into place - there are moments when it looks like it might. The defence is certainly a problem - Bennett is the sort of player who should have been gently eased into the team not just thrown in.

  • we all know whats wrong with the side,and im afraid we havent got the players to fill the gaps.
    i really cant see us surviving.
    i can only see 32 points at best.
    lerner is the only one with the answers.and i wont hold my breath about him telling us.

  • I get the feeling that the club is being readied for championship football next season. The transfer window just gone speaks volumes, the owner still backing the manager speaks volumes.

    I think Randy is reading his Newcastle 2009/10 Annual and taking notes.

    Earlier I came across the reserves beating Arsenal 10-1 last season and thought "f**k me, this is virtually our first team this season".

  • Guest - Bdk

    Not only is lambert the worst manager ever, he's a ****ing joke! " I'm sick ov talking about it, it's man for man it's simple!... " yeah it's so simple u can't even work it out, if he's so sick ov talking about it, y ain't he dun nothing about it? It took him most of the season and he still can't work it out. What the **** does he do in training, god knows, he's subs, are baffling, he's says the same old **** week in week out, the sooner this dunce of a manager goes the ****ing better

  • pitbull,

    mate,dont forget newcastle retained all there high paid players when relegated.
    and have tried to make sure this season,that they dont go down again.
    ashley must have learned his lesson.
    the prem is where the money is.

  • bdk,
    mate i understand your anger.
    but im afraid a lot of villa fans,need to catch up,and see whats happening.
    they are still ,living in a false hope that we will stay up,and push on.
    blind faith.what a joke.

  • JCV,

    Mate if memory serves me correctly, didn't most of their big earners leave in the summer? (Bassong, Owen, Martins, Duff). The barcodes introduced a wage cap and new transfer policy after they dropped.

    It all sounds remarkably familiar.

  • pitbull,
    some may of left,but guitereras,nolan,collichino etc stayed.i think the players you mentioned were surplus to requirements anyway.they did keep the rest.
    how many would we keep.

  • p/s
    they also had the likes of carroll.
    i dont think benteke will stay and play for us,if relegated.

  • I reckon if we go down, we'll be without Benteke, Bent, Ireland & Nzog definitely, and Given, Weimann, Gabby & Vlaar most probably. It'll be a bumper harvest for Randy. That's the best part of £30-40 mil right there and the "wages nightmare" over.

    It kills a number of birds with one stone.

    The question on everyone's lips will be whether we'll be allowed to re-invest the money on transfers. I''m betting in that scenario Lambert will be given half and the other half will be pocketed.

    I wonder what the odds are on that.

  • pitbull,

    lerner will pocket the lot,and will tell lambert to continue with the kids.:p

  • Guest - Bdk

    Jvc. Those who don't want to catch up do so because they don't want to admit that they were wrong.. Or That we were right all along

  • JCV,

    Re: Newcastle - Yes - get rid of the high earners not playing and keep the lower earners who are.

    Sound familiar?

  • Guest - WhatToDo?

    anyone want a laugh? look at the cb position and possibly the rb position.

    http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3064823,00.html

  • Guest - WhatToDo?

    if it doesnt work welll basically benteke lowton and clark are named in the team of the week!

  • anyway lads,
    im off to bed,have enjoyed your company.
    goodnight all.;)

  • Guest - George

    george,
    but that was when mon was manager.and even if we get rid of the other high earners,
    how are we expected to compete with those sides,in the future.


    JCV - Our high earners are **** - if they weren't other teams would have bought them!

    Given, Dunne, Hutton, Ireland, Bent .... have i forgotten anyone?

    If for example we could get rid of that lazy prick Ireland who's on 60k a week we could get 2 bloody good players ins in on 30k a week each and be in exactly the same financial situation as we are now.

    I think this is the remit that our manager (whether it's PL or anyone else) has to work with ..... keep the total salary level within a certain figure - whoever our manager is he has to balance the books.

    It makes sense - and works for others - it's just we are stuck with a pile of shlte on inflated wages and long contracts.

    In the meantime we are ****ed and on our way down!!!

  • george,
    just caught your post,before logging off.
    and you are spot on.we have got **** players on long term contracts.
    but that shouldnt stop us paying players,the going rate.if they are good enough.

    goodnight mate.;)

  • Guest - B6 villa

    Think if we had signed decent quality known players in the summer don't think we would of had a problem attracting the same type of quality players in jan if needed. Thing is you don't have to pay over the odds if scouted the right way like necastle have

  • Guest - George

    Night mate :)

    I'm not disagreeing with you - simply trying to get my head around what the **** is going on behind the scenes ... we are told **** all!

    I said since the beginning of the season that I thought it would be up and downs all the way and thought that we'd get in 2/3 with experience and guile in Jan to bolster the squad - but am as pissed off as anyone we haven't.

    We are now odds on to go down - we are fukced!

  • Guest - George

    B6

    I don't think it was about attracting the players - PL couldn't get rid of the high earners and therefore didn't have any wages to pay - if he'd of had the money they'd have come he didn't hence all he could afford was peanuts for the two we did get in!

  • Guest - B6 villa

    George

    Just fustrated that necastle have bought in decent players in thier time of need and we bring in a couple of unknown players. The problem is PL has bought in players that might come good in time and it's time we haven't got. If only he could of mixed it up with the signings

  • Guest - George

    I agree B6 - I think before the season started he felt (naively) that he'd get more out of the experienced players but it only seems to be Zoggy who's doing the business and that's only recently.

    Dunne = fukced
    Hutton = shlte
    Ireland and Bent = Lazy posers who couldn't and don't give a ****
    Given = very expensive has-been

  • Guest - Match Fixing

    With the Champions League match fixing scandal breaking news today, I firmly believe this spreads to the Premier League.

    This country is run by Villa fans – David Cameroon, Prince Willy and Harry the Barstard are all Villa fans. Therefore it stands to reason that Villa cannot be as bad as the table and results suggest, and that this triumvirate of Villians are conspiring to fix results to oust Paul Lamberk and Slow Lerner.

    I rest my case.

  • Guest - daveyboy

    @ Match fixing , I believe Harry is a chelsea fan its william that supports the villa.

    Also I believe Petrov is on a reported 60k + although the boy can actually play when well, I reckon Zogs and gabby are on a fiair few quid aswell

  • Guest - B6 villa

    George

    The players you have named have come from the so called big clubs and might of seen our club as a step down hence the reason we ain't seeing the best out of them and fighting for the cause. N'zogbia has been through it before but as you said has taken his time to play anywhere near he has done at Wigan

  • Guest - daveyboy

    Is cameron a villa fan I didnt know that ??

  • Guest - vancouvervillan

    George
    I agree there is obviously a wage cap of some sort in place, it may be worse than we think ,if it's a cap on the overall wages compared to other clubs, as you suggest, then surely we would have had some room by moving hutton & warnock off the payroll, (90,000 a week ?), but it may well be there is a cap on individual players wages, say no one over 20,000 a week , that's even worse !
    maybe that's why no one wanted to come.
    The number of current players earning over 50,000 a week is ridiculous, most are not even playing regularly, even more ridiculous is that no one wanted to buy them in the window, so who is responsible for handing out these deals in the first place ? Faulkner is responsible for Ireland (70,000 a week, signed when we had no manager), Given (60,000 a week for 5 years at age 35 !) we can't blame Lambert for this his hands are/were quite clearly tied, hence despite our obvious needs in the window we did nothing.

  • Guest - Royal Villans

    I remember seeing Harry interviewed (the Royal one not the Wockney Canker from QPR) and he said that he grew up supporting Villa like his brother...

  • Guest - Grobbelaarr

    Liverpool's 2009 Champions League match against Debrecen allegedly fixed by Hungarian side's goalkeeper...

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  • Guest - George

    I agree there is obviously a wage cap of some sort in place, it may be worse than we think ,if it's a cap on the overall wages compared to other clubs, as you suggest, then surely we would have had some room by moving hutton & warnock off the payroll, (90,000 a week ?), but it may well be there is a cap on individual players wages, say no one over 20,000 a week , that's even worse !


    VV - my guess would be that it is a total cap ... even with shipping out Warnock (we would have had to have paid his contract til the end of the season up maybe) and with Hutton we will be paying a large % of his wages.

    I don't think anyone would manage a Prem club with a single player cap (or any club would do that - even us!!).

    It may well be the case that the overall cap is still being breached and we need to ship more out before we haf free money for wages to bring in quality players.

  • Guest - Stu

    What happened to Cypriotvilla ? is he still peeling the spuds ?

  • Warnock (we would have had to have paid his contract til the end of the season up maybe)


    We sold Warnock to Leeds so wont be paying his wages. Hutton is on loan with a view to a permanent deal so I guess we are probably not paying his either or if we are only a 5age.

  • Is cameron a villa fan I didnt know that ??


    His uncle was Sir William Dugdale - he cant fail to be a Villa fan.

  • Guest - Poppycock

    Talking about wage capping. Liverpool pay their youngsters 25k per week + a bonus of 10k if they play in the first team. One them recently was refusing to renew his contract unless he was paid 45k. Rodgers told him to reconsider his position he should be proud to wear the shirt wages are secondary.
    That's what we don't have anymore.A club to be proud of. that's why we cant attract decent players.
    Suarez was saying his 3yr old can sing (and does) You'll Never Walk Alone)
    What do our youngsters sing (if anything) **** on the City)?
    Says it all really.

  • Guest - flights to jeddah

    I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first
    comment. I dont know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog.
    I will keep visiting this blog very often.

  • Guest - Talkoftheterrace.net

    Gabby always scores against Everton, can bet you life he always bags one..

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