Fifteen cup finals, Newcastle and Lerner writes

There is a match tonight and it's a big match, but between now and the end of the season, we've got fifteen big matches. Fifteen cup finals if you want and that really is how everyone should look at them.

There isn't an excuse that is acceptable. There isn't a way out. There is no place to hide. If we don't pick up the necessary points it is because we were not good enough.

And if we're not good enough, you've not got to look far. But we shouldn't think about the unthinkable right now.

Newcastle at Villa Park

So we have the first of those cup finals tonight and this is another six pointer. Win and we go ahead of Newcastle. Anything other than a win and by close of business tomorrow night, we could find ourselves 19th and if we do and you're not going to like me writing this; the future wont be very bright.

But there is a chance. There is a chance that Newcastle, who are just one place above us in the current form table, are worse than us. There is a chance that with these changes they are likely to make, it backfires. Bringing in new players doesn't mean things get better.

Bottom three of current form table

Updates, team news and a statement from Randy Lerner

So, we'll be here for tonight. We'll be here a few hours before kick off and we'll be here, fingers crossed, feeling optimistic that it will come good tonight. It will come good with Lambert, the fear is that it takes too long. If we go down, we might not come straight back up and by then, we'll just be happy to be playing in this league. Relegation will be the death of this club unless we get a new owner.

So right now, you can probably tell I don't feel that optimistic and while the odds for this match at PaddyPower make us the favourites at 6/4, I fancy the 7/4 you'll get on Newcastle is a good price.

But the optimism will return later, it always does. Thirty minutes before kick off I'll believe we can beat Barcelona. And tonight is a cup final. If we play like it is and give everything, anything is possible. I've talked myself into a bet on us in two paragraphs.

But before I go, to the statement. I've not seen it, just seen bits, but I wanted to write that it wasn't Lerner that wrote this. It was a PR firm. It was a communication specialist. These are just words and they mean nothing. What we need is Lerner to be put in a room with supporters and for it to be filmed and for him to now know what is coming, although you'd have to be a very bad PR firm or communication specialist to know what questions are not going to be asked.

And, in days gone by, the owner publicly backing the manager was usually a signal that he didn't have long left. Could it be that if we get spanked tonight change is coming? There is only Wednesday and Thursday but a lot can happen in two days and it isn't impossible for those things to happen for us.

The players

Guzan, Vlaar, Clark, Bennett, Baker, Lowton, Westwood, Bannan, N’Zogbia, Benteke and Bent start. On the bench we have Given, Ireland, Lichaj, Holman, Gabby, Weimann and Bowery.

Honest view; I'm not sure about lining up with three central defenders. It promotes attacking from the wing-backs and you've got to have bags of experience to do that. Our wing-backs are also actually full-backs and they've only really played this way since they came to us and it hasn't exactly been something we've done for a long time or very successfully.

I'll write it now; three, five, two isn't the future.

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  • Guest - You are CUNT Randy Lerner

    It easy to see why Newcastle had no qualms about paying £1.8m for a player who would have been available on a free in the summer. "Sissoko really grabbed the game by the horns and that's what we needed," Alan Pardew, the Newcastle manager, said.

    The 23-year-old's threaded pass for the opening goal was sublime, exposing Nathan Baker's inexperience. The Villa defender was caught ball-watching as Cissé drifted off his shoulder before spinning into the inside-right channel. By the time Baker got his feet moving, Cissé was bearing down on goal and preparing to slip the ball under Brad Guzan. It was tempting to wonder what was going through Lambert's mind at the time, given that the Villa manager had identified Sissoko as a transfer target earlier in the month. What a difference he would have made to Villa's desperately poor midfield.

  • Guest - You are CUNT Randy Lerner

    you ****ing dip**** Lerner

  • Guest - You are CUNT Randy Lerner

    It easy to see why Newcastle had no qualms about paying £1.8m for a player who would have been available on a free in the summer. "Sissoko really grabbed the game by the horns and that's what we needed," Alan Pardew, the Newcastle manager, said.

    The 23-year-old's threaded pass for the opening goal was sublime, exposing Nathan Baker's inexperience. The Villa defender was caught ball-watching as Cissé drifted off his shoulder before spinning into the inside-right channel. By the time Baker got his feet moving, Cissé was bearing down on goal and preparing to slip the ball under Brad Guzan. It was tempting to wonder what was going through Lambert's mind at the time, given that the Villa manager had identified Sissoko as a transfer target earlier in the month. What a difference he would have made to Villa's desperately poor midfield.

  • Guest - You are CUNT Randy Lerner

    It was tempting to wonder what was going through Lambert's mind at the time, given that the Villa manager had identified Sissoko as a transfer target earlier in the month. What a difference he would have made to Villa's desperately poor midfield.


    From Guardian article : Your text to link

    You ****ing dipshi1t Lerner

  • Guest - You are CUNT Randy Lerner

    Lerner is a ****ing ****

  • Guest - weary stickler

    Ref: posts 20106 to 20110: well done, you seem to have found out how to slip in an obscenity uncensored, by using it in your "name"

    must say, I think I know how you feel, but dont agree with the way you are saying it

  • Guest - hvilla

    I dont think we would have lost yesterday if the formation wasn't 3-5-2 or 5-3-2. The best for us is the 4-2-3-1. I hope Lambert realized that. I think that Bent and Benteke can not play together in that formaition. We only need a CB and a ball winning midfielder. Hangeland and Diame. Lambert has to forget Bannan in the holding role, KEA and Delph for me.

  • Guest - Aupa villa 1874

    Won 77.86 on villa losing last night! Going to bet on them losing more often, mite as well take something out of villa being the easy to beat **** team that we have become.

  • Guest - ordinaryjoe

    We only need a CB and a ball winning midfielder. Hangeland and Diame. Lambert has to forget Bannan in the holding role, KEA and Delph for me

    h: very much agree with most of this: desperate need of CB & MF, and those two names would fit.
    Also agree that BB has had a horror time, especially 2013 has been awful, and very surprising to see his name consistenty on the team sheet. I used to be a bit of a supporter and thinking he was going to be really good (and Damian used to also say this).
    I have not yet seen KEA do anything much to be honest, and Delph has shown a flicker of something in more recent games while still retaining the habit of diving in recklessly when not necessary. For rmost of the season before he has been pretty anonymous.
    Someone was on here the other day saying that actually Herd did a better job in that role -

  • Won 4 league games all season and its simply not good enough. Randy should either spend £10/£20m plus wages to bring in a couple of much needed players or sack PL at a cost of around £2m and probably bring in one of the unemployed old guard of manager. Doing nothing is not an option, Lambert looks and sounds out of his depth he has no experience of fighting relegation - something I would have thought essential for managing our club - another Lerner/Faulkner failure!

  • Guest - hvilla

    fair play to Bannan, the hobbit can not play in that holding role, maybe he could play behind the strikers, but ask to him that play like Moussa Sissoko, Diame or Yaya Toure is a silly thing

  • Beginning to wonder if Lerner fears being in the Premier next season more than he fears being in the Championship.

  • Watching The Villa in August/September this scenario was obvious.

  • It's blatantly apparent that if things stay the way they are, Villa can't fight their way out of a paper bag so unless we get a couple of players in things won't improve but why weren't the club looking at getting someone in before the transfer window opened? Months ago we were calling for a decent centre midfielder but the board clearly weren't!

    The club has been run by a bunch of muppets for a few years now and it's time to pay the piper!

  • We are not getting any players and the only chance Lamberk keeps us up is 442 till the end of season and Gabby,Weiman,Benteke and Nzog starting every game(injuries permittting) in a 442 with 2 out of Delph,Westwood and KEA in the middle.He does this and we have a slight,slight chance.I tell you something though if i see a 352/532 agaisnt Everton Sat im gonna put my foot straight through the telly!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Now Norwich look like they are going to start spending, we will soon be cut adrift.

  • An out of depth manager and an out of touch owner - we should not be surprised at where we find ourselves!

  • Guest - Duster

    If Dunne is fit, he has to come into the team against Eveton. That way Baker could be switched to LB as Bennett is having a torrid time at the moment. 4-2-3-1 has to be the formation as this 3-5-2 is not suited to the players and moving Clarke into the defensive midfielder position will give the defence much needed protection. Bannan should be replaced with Ireland as the creative midfielder. My team to face Everton as follows:
    Guzan
    Lowton, Vlaar, Dunne, Baker
    Clarke, Westwood,
    Wiemann, Ireland, Nzogbia
    Benteke

  • Give it up guys, look at that picture of lerner Damian's put on the front page. That's lerner!

    We've got parachute payments, he doesn't see the football league as an abyss.

  • Guest - mon 4-5-1

    Why did we play 5 - 3 - 2 at home against our relegation rivals??

    Back four of Lichaj ----- Lowton-------Vlaar --------- Baker or

    Lowton ---------Vlaar ---------- Clark ------ Baker--------

    could not have been any worse then what we produced in the first 45 minutes.

    The manager cost us that game last night again, due to his stubbornness and poor tactics...

  • Guest - RockSteady

    As much as it pains me to say it - that blonde pony tailed welsh prick was right. Bye Bye Top Flight Football!!!!

  • I think lambert was told to take us down and we can then get rid of all the hign wage earners.Does this sound possible to you! I really do think this is the case.

  • Guest - hvilla

    Guzan
    Lowton - Vlaar - Clark - Baker
    Delph - Westwood
    Weimann - Nzog - GAbby
    Benteke

    Dunne has a setback, I hardly see him to get a match in a Villa shirt again. Lambert considere CLark a CB so he wont play him in midfield, but he can be better than we have at the moment.

  • Guest - vogra

    This club is on its knees at the moment, something drastic needs to happen in the next couple of days for this club to get out this mire, be it a change of manager or a couple of new players.
    Lambert is so out his depth it's untrue, he looks like a zombie on the sidelines.
    Its a pity we can't play our remainig games all away, our form at villa park is a total joke,the players cannot handle the pressure.

  • Guest - paulb

    WindofChange.
    I think you make a very good point in that perhaps Lerner has grown tired of the grief of being in the Premier League, which lets face it you only win with shed loads of money and investment, and would feel more comfortable and perhaps appreciated if we were in the Championship. He is of course deluded, and I think he underestimates that league in thinking we would bounce straight back at the first attempt. Typical of an owner and CEO with no football knowledge.

  • Guest - stevenh

    Duster
    Good comments I agree with your team choice if no new additions (well there won't be any)

  • Lambert's interview with Pat Murphy on 5Live was embarrasing.

  • I did notice a tear in Lambert's eye yesterday as it dawned on him just how many tactical errors he's made this season.

  • Every good half we have played I feel we have created enough chances to win the game in that half alone. Not finishing or that bit of luck deserting us which we really need at the moment. I would be really worried if we wasn't creating any chances, just need that midfielder to sit in the middle of the park to protect our defence

  • good morning,

    cant add much to whats allready been said.
    so ill talk about the fans.30,000 against newcastle is an indication of whats to come.take off their fans,and probably 27,000 villa fans.
    there lies the warning.how long before the gates drop even further.
    but for those that actually applauded them at the end.you are doing as much damage as lerner and lambert.
    well for those of you,i hope your happy when we do go down.you deserve it.

    as for the rest of the villa fans.im as gutted as you.we feel the passion,anger,rage dispair and all the emotions of real villa fans.
    for you i feel total sympaphy.

  • Two the tune of "There were 10 Green Bottles"

    There were fifteen cup finals hanging on the wall..
    Fifteen cup finals hanging on the wall..
    And if one cup final should accidentally fall..

    There will be fourteen cup finals hanging on the wall..

  • jcv

    Morning mate, now you are going to hate me for reminding you about this but you and me are a similar age we both went home and away down to the third division moaning about Norman Smith and then moaning about Doug but we were no different because we supported the team no matter how s**t we were. No different to todays fans.

  • Guest - darrenvilla26

    Was at the game last night and must say, it was a strange atmosphere at the end with the Villa fans giving the team an applause - to be honest i joined in. The effort of the lads in second half was immense and we peppered the newcastle goal - first half was attorcious.

    The formation is a massive issue, 4-2-3-1 is the way forward for us and the 3 behind benteke must be nzogbia, weimann and agbonlahor.

    We desperately need a strong physical presence in that holding role, i think westwood alongside "that player" will shore us up there.

    In addition to that, our back 4 needs desperately addressing.

    I like to read between the lines and from what i heard yesterday pre and post match, yes there is money to spend, but very little. The issue was wages, he missed out on a couple of targets because the player chose higher wages (naturally). In offloading Warnock and Hutton, we've free'd up some capacity, but it might be too late.

    Take a look at the squads of the top 6, they are fairly limited in terms of opportunities for loan signings of experienced players who will walk in to our team and make an impact.

    So what do we do? Unfortunately, go with what we've got. Lambert must take slack for his tacticial approach to the game, but he will say he can only use the tool's he as got (probably a very appropriate word!)

    Realistic targets for me (realistic in a sense of fee, availability and impact):

    Paul Scharner
    Chris Samba
    Tom Huddlestone

  • Guest - darrenvilla26

    Was at the game last night and must say, it was a strange atmosphere at the end with the Villa fans giving the team an applause - to be honest i joined in. The effort of the lads in second half was immense and we peppered the newcastle goal - first half was attorcious.

    The formation is a massive issue, 4-2-3-1 is the way forward for us and the 3 behind benteke must be nzogbia, weimann and agbonlahor.

    We desperately need a strong physical presence in that holding role, i think westwood alongside "that player" will shore us up there.

    In addition to that, our back 4 needs desperately addressing.

    I like to read between the lines and from what i heard yesterday pre and post match, yes there is money to spend, but very little. The issue was wages, he missed out on a couple of targets because the player chose higher wages (naturally). In offloading Warnock and Hutton, we've free'd up some capacity, but it might be too late.

    Take a look at the squads of the top 6, they are fairly limited in terms of opportunities for loan signings of experienced players who will walk in to our team and make an impact.

    So what do we do? Unfortunately, go with what we've got. Lambert must take slack for his tacticial approach to the game, but he will say he can only use the tool's he as got (probably a very appropriate word!)

    Realistic targets for me (realistic in a sense of fee, availability and impact):

    Paul Scharner
    Chris Samba
    Tom Huddlestone

  • Guest - Lerner Out!

    For those of you who applauded the team off last night thanks for sentencing us to relegation! Support the team during the game but let Lambert know what you think after. This deluded bloke now thinks we were applauding him and so does Lerner which 100% will result in him keeping his job and no new players in. Well i hope you'll be applauding in the championship next season because that's where we'll be with Lambert still in charge. Can you not see what's happening for god's sake, wake up because if you think relegation is a good thing you are on a par with Lambert. You've missed the chance to let them both know how we feel and good old Lerner would have been sitting in the good old USA counting his millions with a smile on his face. Lambert the most inept manager I've ever seen in my life and Lerner the worst owner of our club there's ever been. Good combination and I hope your happy with them both because if your one of them who applauded you deserve them!!!! Before you start bringing the loyalty card out, i'll be at everton on Saturday giving it my all but another loss will result in me telling the chuckle brothers what I think again and no one will stop me!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Where have all the supporters gone that kept saying we should give Lambert time.
    And we have to give these youngsters a chance?

    Well you all got your wish!
    Just means your wish is in the Championship !!

  • Guest - carl an villa

    I have a season ticket in the holte end , i have done for 30 years , last night i was a corporate guest in the trinity , watching the game from the side , rather than from behind the goal was an eye opener , i run a youth team u21s , if we dont play well i lose it with them , unfortunately watching Lambert last night he clearly is just going through the motions of being a Premier manager , he stands on the side , he claps the players but he doesnt seem to have any tactical nonce , except for hit the big man , he proved this the last 20 mins v bradford , his assistant is even worse with his aeroplane take off hand gestures , Lambert is ruining westwood , lowton , bannan and bennet by playing them altogether at once , our midfield is so weak it is embarrasing , bringing Weimman and Gabby on to push forward papers over the cracks . Those two players really care and put there bodies on the line for the villa , Nzogbia is playing for a move and who can blame him , there were rumours in the press box of David Bentley , Malouda on loan and Charlie Adams from Stoke , with bent going the other way , but i fear it is all to little to late ,

  • Heard rummors around villa park that bent will go to stoke to replace crouch when he goes to qpr!

  • Is lambert a misunderstood genius or a complete fuxcing idiot ??? How can this guy get back to back promotions and be so inept tactically ??? Is he the greatest blagger in football history !!! It makes no sense

    Picked up on this comment from Ozzy last night. The difference is, Lambert evolved a bunch of League 1/Championship players and took them into the Premiership. They managed to get their way out of two tough divisions, were on a fantastic run and took that form into the Premier League.

    Lambert has now tried to fast track this philosophy in the Premier League with Villa and it just hasn't worked out at all. The team hasn't evolved through time and most of the squad is not good enough for this league, and this includes most of our own youngsters (who aren't youngsters anymore). Did he think this transformation would occur overnight? Was he simply hoping that players like Joe Bennett would step up within a month or two?

    You have to mingle youth with experience, not make radical changes and rely totally on squad players. Up until this seasn, Clarke, Baker, Bannan, Delph amongst others were only squad players but we are relying on them now and the worst thing is they are not even alongside experienced or in form players. No leaders on the pitch and no one to guide those wobbly youngsters. NZogbia has started to play well, but that is the only real improvement I have seen from anyone.

    I agree that Westwood and Lowton have looked decent but again, they are playing in such a weak team that the workload/responsibility on them is immense.

    To be fair to Lambert, he has said many a time that he is working under heavy financial constraints and this has obviously dictated the lack of transfer activity and the type of player he can bring in but surely if he managed to pick up Benteke and Vlaar from the continent, there were similar bargains to be had?

  • Guest - darrenvilla26

    #20142 Guest (carl an villa)

    interesting post and would welcome Charlie Adam and one of Bentley/ Malouda at villa but would much prefer Huddlestone from spurs alongside Charlie Adam.

    just to point out though, you said nonce lol;)

  • Guest - smcvilla

    Richard Dunne has suffered further setback in his quest to return.Check the birminghammail

  • KEITHJ,

    mate different times,different circumstances.
    we were rising from the ashes of bankrupcy in those days.plus it still didnt stop us letting the villa know how we felt.i remember many a game of less than 20,000 before we rose from the ashes.

    plus football was cheap to watch,it was the working mans sport.
    now it costs an arm and a leg,and we have live football on tv,computers etc.

    but my point,is that a fair few fans today,follow football as a fashion and hobby.they dont get emotionally envolved as we used to.
    im not talking about all the fans.
    but we know the ones im on about.of course most are still the same.but a few thousand definitaly fit the bill im on about.

  • Guest - belcs

    Wonder if there is any odds on us playing in league one come 2014, must be worth a few quid given how the moronic board are running this club and heaven forbid if lamberk remains in charge next season, the mumbling buffoon will relegate us again.
    Lets face it lamberk can't even speak clearly without bumbling some crap and he thinks he can patronise the fans with his usual 'we go again' bull****'. He is a fraud, an embarrassment of a manager who does not deserve to be associated with our great club.

    Forget signings, we won't be making any nor would I give lamberk a penny. Other than Benteke every other signing is sub standard, why give money to someone who thought turds like lowton, bennett and el crapmadi were good enough for this once proud club.

  • jcv

    I agree to a point but I think its to easy now with the internet to let rip with a verbal tirade whereas years back it was sorted out with a punch up after the game:):)

  • ABZ,
    thing is mate,any other manager,would have known you cant apply those methods in this league.
    that alone proves lambert to be out of his depth.

    and i think we are wasting our time naming players we need.
    if we cant afford the likes of sassiko at £1.8 mill.who the hell can we afford.
    some of you have all named players that would fit the bill.and none of them would cost the earth.
    thats how far we have fallen.
    sad sad days.

  • I still think Lerner might dump Lambert once the window is shut then the next manager cant have any money to spend.

  • Guest - Old McParland

    Not the most flattering picture of Mr Lerner is this one it looks like hes just been kicked in the BALLS by Allan Pardew ,:D

  • Guest - Old McParland

    Well i suppose the result was a kick in the balls , it was to me .:D

  • Guest - GeiOff

    Mr Lerner you are killing Aston villa sell the club to someone who is interested in football as your surely not. Nobody got rich owning a soccer club villa needs funds the fans do their best but you just want to make money
    Sorry randy you've failed along with mr Faulkner so do villa supporters a favour and sell

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