Written by Damian Wednesday, 29 April 2009 15:58
Martin O'Neill has chirped in with his opinion on this and it got me to thinking about it, which as you all know when it comes to things like this, leads to a quick question, where you get to answer yes or no, but before you answer, think of the changes that this would bring.
Now, I only know what I've read and I don't expect for a minute that we'll get all the details, just the stuff we need to know, much like the 39th game shambles. All we really needed to know about that mess was that they were thinking of adding it and we all knew it was wrong, mostly because it wasn't fair. But would this be wrong?
From what I understand there are going to be talks this summer about splitting up the Premier League into two divisions of 18 teams and that Celtic and Rangers would be invited to take part. Does this sound right to you so far?
It sounds to me like all they are doing is changing the name of Division Two The Championship to Premier League 2 and adding Celtic and Rangers, probably to the lower of the two divisions to start with.
It doesn't sound that bad does it, but surely you have to consider what happens when Celtic and Rangers join the league and is it right that a team from another country is allowed to come and join?
Celtic and Rangers are massive clubs with huge support and if they find themselves playing in the English Premier League, it won't be long before they have the financial clout to really muscle in. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for competition and just because they get a lot of support it doesn't mean it's instant success, but it's the different country thing that makes it feel wrong for me.
We've got teams in this country, playing in the English Premier League, who get or could get as many supporters every week as Celtic and Rangers and it hasn't guaranteed them success, in fact Celtic and Rangers could struggle if they come down and play in the English Premier League. It will certainly be a lot more challenging.
Despite the support and the success they are used to, I don't think either team would be that much of a threat to our current top four and they may even struggle to fight for a top six place, but again, that isn't the bit that makes me think it is wrong.
For me, it's wrong simply because they are in another country and while I'm all for competition, when you strip everything away, I suspect the real reason for this is financial, either for the clubs or the league and rather than try and paper over cracks or create new ones, I just think it might be better to fix it before adding to the problems.
However, this is just my opinion. Celtic and Rangers should stay in Scotland and we should just stick to the one league. However, Martin O'Neill thinks otherwise and I know my opinion is sort of a double standard as we have Welsh teams playing in the English league system but that sort of, feels different.
My personal thought is that Celtic and Rangers would enhance the Barclays Premier League.
Glasgow is a phenomenal football city. Celtic house 60,000 fans and Rangers house 50,000 fans every game. I'm not sure about Rangers but I know Celtic's capacity could go from 60,000 to 80,000 overnight, without a doubt.Martin O'Neill, April 29th 2009
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jazrfc
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... rangers took over 250,ooo fans to manchester where a few morons let the club down but they have a home crowd of 53,000 |
Celtic Chris
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... I think that joining the EPL would benefit both the Old Firm and the EPL. Of course Celtic would bring a great deal of value to the league, a huge, vibrant, partisan fan base to say the very least. A non debt laden set up that would see a more competitive upper region of the EPL within a few years due to no debt to service. A tradition which is world renowned as well as the club being world recognised for great support, excitement and a club which is loved by football fans everywhere. Rangers of course would bring with them the "old firm derby" value.....little else other than contempt and agression, and a fan base which isnt as big, vibrant or as partisan....but they brin g the excitement that they can let themselves down at every away game which is going to be on a greater scale than their racist bus trips to inverness and hamilton. The clubs would benefit in the EPL due to increased interest from the world over, more tv money and being selfish about celtic...we could push on and with some hard work, correct moves and increased money we could move up the EPL and give our stadium the football it deserves and teams in deserves every week. God bless St Martin of Celtic |
Bawsman
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... I've followed Celtic nearly 45 years now and find no attraction in the trek to Hull, Bolton, Wigan, Boro, West Brom etc. where the opposition is no better than Aberdeen, M'well and Hearts. We are immune to the condescending crap from down south and we should be setting our sights higher than bailing out the Bolton Chairmans club. North Atlantic League against Ajax, Porto, Benfica is a MUCH more attractive proposition. Celtic is a dormant monster, there is not a club on the planet with more supporters clubs and accessing the right market would release a whirlwind. |
Andy Scarborough
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... Why should they want to become mid table teams when they have their own league? Seriously though, I have long thought that it would benefit them and us, so why not. Just as long as the two nations can continue to field seperate national sides. Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham are in the English leagues. Let them if they want to. The only consideration is what will happen to the SPL without them? |
Michael
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... im against it aswell, for celtic and rangers to be given a place in the premier league is unfair on all the english teams that have never been in the premiership, teams like walsall will probably never be able to get into the premiership, even tho its the pinnacle of there countrys league, where as 2 scottish teams, who finish top of a league thats probably similar to our league 1 in quality get to just move into it as easy as that, and take there share of english teams money. also, within a few years they could possibly be challenging for the title, there fan base will grow, because who in scotland is going to support there local team when they can support rangers or celtic in the premiership. this will be unfair on the premier league teams who have either wanted to challenege for years - villa, everton, spurs etc or teams that have built up there own quality squads - the top 4. if they really want to join english league football then, like every other club then they need to start at the bottom and work there way up, just like afc wimbledon have had to recently. even if they enter a reserve team into the bottom league, and im talking none leage and not the conference then that will be ok and when that reserve team reach the championship then they can switch. also, what will happen to the other scottish teams, it will just kill them all, because with out the old-firm scottish football is crap. and why should we anyway, ireland, england and wales want a teamGB at the olympics - scotland dont, so if we aint good enough to team up with internationally then we aint good enough for the domesticaly either. |
Majkee
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... Do you really think that this is the matter of more money? Celtic or Rangers are playing UEFA Champions League year by year and this is a huge sum of money gifted away as they will not qualifiy into CL by playing in Premier League. Yes there will be a compensation from tv rights, but this is really questionable whether they will be more profitable. Take in mind they should start in PL2. From my point of view, it could be interesting to them to recognise they were wrong if they claimed in the past that they are as good as other top English clubs... That is not true imho. |
Chrisodon
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... I'm all for it as i live near glasgow and i'd get to the mighty villa easier than travelling south of the border. |
Michael
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... for celtic and rangers its partly about money but id say its more about football, it must be so boring playing in that league year-in, year-out. imagine the excitement it would bring to them entertaining the likes of liverpool, man u, chelsea etc instead of hibs, hearts and aberdeen. and no, they arent as good as the top english clubs now, but with there extra money, and the pull of premier league football they could easily attract star players, if they came into the premiership id guess that they would be challenging top 4 within 3 seasons. and could easily make top 10 in there first season. they will make as much money as united from home games and could afford to pay top wages and pay top transfer fees without some prince of dubai, and even if they coulsnt then a prince of dubai will probably want to buy them more than they would like to buy the likes of everton, villa etc. |
William Anderson
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... The comments from Celtic Chris shows what most decent football fans in Scotland are up against. No decency and certainly no sense of talking about the subject matter. A bigot if ever there was one is Celtic Chris. As for the bigger fan base? If there's one thing the English will find out about these pathological liars called Celtic fans, they tend to talk complete bollox and want everyone to love them, no matter how despicable they are. They're not called ambulance chasers up here for nothing. Straight forward answer from me on the Rangers coming south. Financially = good idea. Morally = want nothing to do with it, even though I'm very pro British. The Scottish league is our bread and butter and we should remain in our own country. Ooops! I forgot to mentiuon. Poor Chris mentioned racism. You aint seen anti English/British fasicts until you've seen the Celtic support. Mixed in weith some support for terrorism and throwing bananas at Rangers players (remember Mark Walters Villa fans? If not - Google it) |
Andy Scarborough
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... I like your comments mickey86. This is something that will probably not happen for the very reasons you put above. |
joesoap
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... Wait till you hear the racist and anti British, anti queen, pro-IRA chants coming from the celtic fans. And whilst they may have a lot of supporters clubs, they are based in Irish bars in Poland and Ukraine. Go figure. In terms of game going fans, Rangers certainly have more - they definitely take a larger number to away matches in Scotland, and Europe than Celtic. Obviously with a slightly smaller stadium, they have a lower home average (about 6k less than Celtic). Barcelona got 25000 Rangers fans last season, the biggest ever away support (except the final) in the history of the European Cup. I think that Celtic took 8000 there. |
William Anderson
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... Mickey makes some valid and worth points. Rangers are not good enough for a top 6 spot right now and could possibly be in the lower half of the league. However with the revenue generated in the Premier, I've no doubts within a few years, we would be challenging at the top. We get 50,000 against Motherwell and Inverness, what would we get against Villa or Chelsea? Not just the TV money, but the gate receipts would be massive for us also. |
london calling
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... #5 I believe you will find most Rangers supporters are in favour of a team GB #2 "Celtic fans are loved all over the world" [snigger] You had more banning orders than any other club after you played in Blackburn.Chaos in Newcastle also ,need I go on. |
John Flynn
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... Well we have teams from Wales playing in Football League, so i dont see a problem with them joining on the basis they are from another country... |
Bawsman
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... Oh Dear, out they come from under their rocks. The disgraceful Mark Walters incident happened 20+ years ago and STILL the Huns try and beat us up with it. We were wrong but have moved on. For an example of your average cuddly Hun you only have to watch crimewatch these days, the quicker we get into a Euro league and leave those knucklederaggers to howl at the moon the better. |
Anthony Laud
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... its all bout money guys. the guy above that reckons celtic and rangers make as much from there short champions league stays each year as they would even coming mid table in the prem is so far off the mark. there income would go through the roof. and the guy that says he wouldnt want to watch his team play boro, hull, wigan etc because they are of the same standard as aberdeen or motherwell. Um - i'm sorry but wigans squad and team is better than celtics and rangers. if played on a neutral pitch with no fans for example wigan are a better side than either of those 2. the thing that straight away would make them able to compete would be there home form. not many teams would go up there and get much. then within 2/3 years they would have built squads to be able to compete and have the financial backing, they will then be challenging for around 4th place. I dont think it will happen but if it does and works it wont be long after that that a european super league will happen |
William Anderson
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... We were wrong but have moved on said Bawbag. That's right, they've moved on to this (Aberdeen game last week) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhBoH3CQ16Y In it, those fun loving craicsters let their guard slip with one particularly nauseating rendition of “Boys of the Old Brigade”, which, for the uninformed, is an ode to the IRA. It starts: “Oh, father why are you so sad On this bright Easter morn’ When Irish men are proud and glad Of the land that they were born? Oh, son, I see in mem’ries few Of far off distant days When being just a lad like you I joined the IRA” Amongst other lyrics is this friendly little excerpt “For I recall my comrades all And dark old days gone by. I think of men who fought in glen With rifle and grenade. May heaven keep the men who sleep From the ranks of the old brigade.” They've moved on from racist thuggery, to supporting a defeated terrorist army. |
William Anderson
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... Or moved on to stabbing rival supporters. A Celtic supporter has admitted attacking a Rangers fan when a fight broke out in a Glasgow pub hours after an Old Firm match. Shaun Duffy stabbed Brian Duncan, who had come to the aid of his brother, in the Springcroft Bar and Diner in Baillieston last December. At the High Court in Glasgow he admitted assaulting Mr Duncan to the danger of his life. Judge Lord Woolman deferred sentencing until June for background reports. Duffy has a history of violence and was jailed for another knife attack in 1998. Mr Duncan was left badly injured and is still affected months after the bar attack. The court was told that the victim's brother, Colin, and his friends had gone to the pub on 27 December after watching Rangers lose at Ibrox earlier that day. Duffy and his group were also in the busy bar sitting nearby. Bar fight The court heard that the accused and Colin Duncan later became involved in a fight. Brian Duncan, who had been playing pool, saw what was happening and rushed to help his brother. The 37 year-old was pushed to the ground then Duffy pulled out a knife and stabbed him on the chest and neck. Simon Bowie, prosecuting, said Mr Duncan was unable to stand up after being attacked. Duffy, from Garthamlock, fled the scene as people attended to his victim. Keen footballer When police arrived, they found chairs and tables upturned in the bar and blood on the carpet. Mr Duncan lost two litres of blood on the way to hospital and had to be resuscitated. The court heard he has been left with a lack of feeling in his fingers and his lower legs. Mr Bowie said: "He was a keen footballer, but is unable to do that and does not now socialize." Tony Graham, defending, said his client accepted that prison was inevitable for the stabbing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8012269.stm From last week - so much for moving on. |
William Anderson
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... Look at this and see how much they've moved on. http://sweepingsince1888.blogspot.com/ |
Bawsman
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... What's the problem with the song Wullie? It's from 1916-21 about a fight for freedom. We are of Irish origins and proud of it, you may not like that but we don't really care. I also think the Royal Family should be disbanded and the country a socialist republic, Ireland should be united, religion abolished and rangers shut down for racism. On we go to 4 in a row, and I hope Martin breaks into the top 4 next season. |
Majkee
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... May be...about pride? Glory? Competition? Enjoyment? There is always a little tension between Scots and Englanders, isn't it? And they do not have real competitors in their league. |
Majkee
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... Damian, my previous post has been for you  sorry I forgot to mention it in that post. |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... The thing is bawsman is the singing of a BANNED TERRORIST ORGANISATION'S past, present ot future actions is against the law and they should be arrested upon the police / stewards hearing of any such song. As the Irish Republican Army are on the proscribed list, you should not sing any such songs, but hey we'll take that as the craic will we?? Thems the facts and no Liewell or Sellick PR machine can get away from the fact you lot sing these songs on a constant basis. |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... Oh and your wee 'HUN' term is also sectarian but it that the craic too?? HHHMMM TGFITW only in their own wee world. |
Frank Burnside
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... Bawsman said, "The disgraceful Mark Walters incident happened 20+ years ago but the H*ns still try to beat us up with it." Are you saying that we should forget about racism? Because it happened over 20 years ago, then the worst incident of racism ever in a British sporting arena should just be swept under the carpet? I'm not surprised. It's what you lot are famous for. Rangers and Celtic would be a good addition to the Premier League, no doubt. However,the EPL doesn't need either of us. |
William Anderson
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... Bawbag thinks it's perfectly acceptable to sing about killing British soldiers and citizens at a football game. They've on you know. |
Danny
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... Oh no, not this old chestnut again. Hasn't just about everyone who is interested in the topic posted their points of view on a multitude of different forums by now? Haven't we heard 'turkeys don't vote for Christmas', or 'it'll never happen', or 'we don't want you' a thousand times by now? Feck it- I'll say my piece anyway. Again. Celtic (particularly Celtic) and Rangers are MASSIVE clubs with HUGE fanbases that would, within five to ten years, make the English top 4 a top 7 (I'm including Man City as well here...!). And as O'Neill says, their inclusion would make the next tier of clubs (Villa, Everton, Spurs, dare I say it...Newcastle United) up their game and make for one heck of an exciting league. Yes, that's right Premiership fans- even more exciting than it already is. But do the current Top 4 want the competition of a Top 6 or 7? I doubt it very much. Do Championship sides want to lose possible places to two Scottish sides? No! Of course they don't. Ahem, turkeys don't vote for Christmas, do they? Well, they might, if a gun is pointed at their heads. Cue SKY TV... Get used to it, my friends. Whether you like it or not, we're coming. Don't know when, exactly, but we are coming. |
ruairi
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... As far as the 'Old Firm' goes I as a Celtic Fan could'nt care less about Rangers and certainly not about their racist, neo-nazi fans.Celtic don't need Rangers and with all their debt the new league would'nt benefit from their addition either. I think Celtic would be a good thing for the premiership and within a short space of time could be challenging the top 4 or five clubs in it. Money will decide the outcome of this. |
William Anderson
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... Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland); 7th November 1998 JOCK Stein and the Celtic board covered up allegations made against Boys' Club founder Jim Torbett, it was claimed yesterday. But when the claims subsequently surfaced, Celtic manager Stein and the directors were anxious to keep the image of the club clean and nothing more was done about them. According to Mr Stein, he literally put his foot up his backside and kicked him out. It was all covered up by Celtic as to why. He told how he took the allegations against Torbett to the Celtic board and Stein and even told the then vice-chairman, Kevin Kelly, about them at a meeting in his car. Although there were people who spoke to me I couldn't go to the police without actual proof of the allegations. When I joined as chairman, I was told by Jock Stein to keep the name of Celtic Football Club clean at all times. So there you have it folks. Supporters, both vocal and financial, of an organisation who were involved in the greatest scandal football has ever known, referring to another club as “Scotland’s Shame”. Even this week the BBC have reported the stabbing of a Rangers fan by a Celtic fan in a Glasgow pub, whilst the ITV programme Cops on Camera have shown Celtic fans being arrested at Pittodrie for despicable behaviour, including sectarian and racist abuse. Today we have Coco The Clown, aka Peter Liewell, telling the world how well behaved The Bheasts are on trips to England. If they didn’t exist, we’d have to invent them. |
William Anderson
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... Do you really want this sort of football club in England? Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland); 13th November 1998 (Editorial) FOR MORE than 30 years the shadow of sexual abuse has hung over Celtic Football Club. From the boardroom to the dressing room, it was murmured that Celtic Boys' Club boss Jim Torbett was molesting young stars. To a man, the Celtic board did nothing to expose the pervert and the dreadful scandal. If ever a story had been hushed up it was this one. The shameful silence only helped the man who preyed on the teenage hopefuls, knowing they would be too afraid to reveal the truth. Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland); 13th November 1998 (Report) Hugh was made chairman of Celtic Boys' Club after Celtic FC manager Jock Stein kicked out Torbett amid complaints of abuse. He said: "Jock said to me to keep its name clean." As more parents complained to Hugh about sex abuse, he informed Celtic vice- chairman Kevin Kelly, on advice from Jock Stein. He said Kelly, who had just been given a plum job at Torbett's Trophy Centre, promised to investigate and the claims were reported to the Boys' Club committee. But minutes from that meeting have vanished. Hugh claims he finally quit after a row with Kelly over the abuse claims. |
William Anderson
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... “Rioting fans”. What a way to start. The dregs of humanity’s selective amnesia kicks in from the off. Lest we forget it’s only a few years since fans of Celtic managed to obtain more banning orders in England than fans of every other club combined, subsequent to their rioting in Blackburn. The local constabulary arrested 64 Celtic fans at the UEFA cup game and issued 26 banning orders, the highest ever issued in one game. https://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&attid=0.1&thid=120ced0f17b74399&mt=application/pdf |
The Blue Sea of Ibrox
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... Do the English people really want Celtic and the vermin that follow them. Do they want rememberance sunday sullied by a shower of rodents destroying the minutes silence for "our brave fallen" by singing IRA songs and glorifying the murder of British soldiers and citizens. Remember thes are the scum that boo the national anthem of the UK, The same scumbags you chanted Argentina during the Falklands War The same degenerates who abuse Poppy sellers in the run up to rememberance Sunday The same despicable excuse for human beings you destroyed a minutes silence for 9/11 by singing songs in support of terrorists. They are anti English and anti British to the core, Let them play where they belong,,, In the Irish League |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... ruain is obviously getting himself mixed up with the neo-nazi supporters, no? May I remind him who's fans, while playing in Munich, decided to give the locals a nice wee Nazi Salute while shouting "Seich Heil". HINT they don't play in blue. Of course I won;t mention what the previous posters above have stated because let's face it it was the most disgusting, vile racism EVER seen at a football ground. SWEEP IT ALL AWAY though eh?? Only since 1888 has this been happening. |
adam
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... i would love celtic in the prem due to my first villa hat at the age of five being half celtic too. because of this ive followed celtics games since i was a nippa and believe they would enhance our leagues  |
Tom Mclellan
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... I would love to see Celtic and Rangers in the EPL. I think it would be great for the EPL and both teams. With the amount of support both clubs have it would only be a matter of time before they would be up there with the biggest English clubs! Bring it on!!!!!!!! Celtic fan! |
Michael
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... lets all hope that if there is a vote its for every team in scotland and england and not just the premier league clubs, i think there will be 9 yes's from man u, liverpool, chelsea, arsenal, villa, spurs, man city, celtic and rangers. and 95 no's from the other 10 scottish premiership teams and from the other 85 english league clubs. every team deserves a vote as it will affect them one way or another. |
Big Jock Knew
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... Just this season we've had Celtic fans attack poppy sellers outside Hearts' ground, and walk out of a minute's applause for Rememberance Day in their own pig sty (due to the self-styled Greatest Fans In The World tarnishing silence after silence, we up here in Scotland now have to have a minute's applause). The IRA songs have, if anything, become more vocal and more frequent as the years go by. Of course they are immune from criticism from the corrupt media up here, but the English press would have an absolute field day with them. Perhaps one of the Celtic fans on here could explain why every Old Firm league game since 1999 has had to have a lunch-time kick-off? Entering the Premiership could be the best thing to happen - let the world see these vile, anti-British knuckle-draggers for the bigotted scum they are. |
David Tyler
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... Any Villa fans on here?  It would be an 'interesting' transition. Remember the atmosphere at the Villa v Blues games when they 1st got promoted? It would be fights galore but would eventually settle. Obviously we have Cardiff and Swansea in our league and Berwick up in theirs so the precedent isn't so bad but I think this only makes sense to the English game strategically if the aim is to start breaking the lower levels down into regional structures, possibly even becoming a British structure. The painful truth is that while the top of our pile is the leading brand in the world, the need to be in it will kill off our smaller clubs. A necessary adjustment, of which this is probably the headline news. |
Damian
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... TheMachine A few .. not many though and traffic the last two hours has been at over 60% Scotland .. which doesn't surprise me, but sort of answers your question ... New site design coming next week Working on it now! |
JT
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... The truth is that the teams it would hurt are the likes of Villa, Everton etc. After a few years and thanks to their massive support Rangers and Celtic would also certainly turn the Big 4 into a Big 6 and muscle out the likes of us. It may be exciting for neutrals (and Celtic and Rangers fans) to see the league shaken up in this way, but my first concern is for the Villa. |
ian
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... im a man u fan actually damian im just a bit confused as to why you want to debate about two teams who arent an never will be in our league |
David Tyler
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... Will look forward to it, Damian... I'm sure it will have the usual panache - and the occasional honeypot for excitable fans of teams from other countries! PS "honeypot" was "grenade" but that just seemed wrong in such a heated debate |
Jasper
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... 16 Celtc fans have been klled after games v Rangers in recent years, Scotland is a great place but also a dreadful place full of villages that are no more than big Orange halls that spew out bigots to follow Rangers everywhere, the people of Manchester/Newcastle/ Brmingham and Barca will tell you that. Ask the people of Sevlle about Celtic, 80'000 and no arrests. |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... Oh dear wee Jasper, it appears you make stuff up as you go along, maybe we'll keep the fact that one of your own fans stabbed another celtic fan in Seville on the quiet then!! Meanwhile on the way you had a riot in Vigo, got a plane diverted to Cardiff, got 26 fans arrested in Blackburn then given banning orders, and on the night of the final you had 81 arrests in Glasgow ALONE. And the Suvill calculator is just that big stuff, you make it up as you go along, 80,000  The Port Authorities had it at 57,000, just where did the rest come from?? We shall also keep quiet the fact that the Republican marches, which you no doubt attend, are all in 'respect' for cowards who have murdered A British subject, whether it be man, woman, child, makes no difference does it? Hey ho eh, it's all they big bad Rangers fans/ Proddies fault. You are living proof we do not make you lot up. |
William Anderson
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... What did I say about Celtic fans and lying? Look at Jasper's comments and see how mentalist these morons really are. Jasper I'll wait right here for you to prove your tale of fantasy If Celtic fans didn't exist, we would have to invent them. |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... It's what they do best William. They are a deluded bunch and their comments on here just makes me want to vomit, the obvious 'love me, love my club' is coming to the fore. What a sickening bunch. |
Bert Konterman
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... You sad sad little man Mr W. Anderson. Get a life for Christ's sake. A right little one man bullshit army aren't you? The saddest thing is the WORLD knows the truth. Manchester knows it best of all. Ugly, baldy fat toothless buckfast swigging scum of the earth. |
William Anderson
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... Bert's so sad he's using an ex Rangers players name. These morons are obsessed with all things Rangers. There's a saying about Celtic fans in Glasgow. "They hate Rangers more than they love Celtic" A club steeped in child abuse, terrorism and anti British racism invited to England - I don't think so. |
Damian
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... ian our manager talked about it and i think it is an interesting subject its a football subject and i think we all have an in interest in it |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... How was the tour of Japan Bert?? Are the results in yet?? Todde along wee chap your brain cell is fighting for some air. |
jimmy cromwell
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... Ref Bawbags post #21. Just shows you that Celtic fans want to leave a country they despise to play in a country they despise even more. |
Villa till I Die
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... Very interesting reading about the scum who call themselves Celtic fans, especially since it is backed up by offical figures and newspaper reports, The people of Birmingham would welcome such a great club as Rangers FC, as for the filth from Parkhead, they can keep their songs about the murdering who killed our soldiers and citizens (men, women and children) to themselves and thier squalid Glasgow slums |
Napoleon
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... If you want to check out the mentality of Rangers fans, get a logon for one of their jolly footie forums. That will tell you everything you need to know about them. If you need any explanation behind some of the terms used on there to describe Celtic fans let me know. Hopefully within the next year they will be in administration, because that's where they are heading, and not long after that an ugly blot on the football landscape will be gone forever. The Police Forces responsible for Manchester, Bolton, Sunderland, Newcastle etc etc, will breathe a huge sigh of relief. |
Villa till I Die
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... Why don't you Celtic fans get your team and just go to Ireland where you can join the IRA, Instead of singing their songs and supplying money for them to buy the bullets that kill "Our Soldiers" You can bet your bottom dollar these vermin would take great delight in glorifying the Birmingham pub bombings if they got the chance to play here |
jimmy cromwell
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... Who wants to listen to thes songs in a football stadium? Soon ther'll be no protestants at all. Boys of the old brigade Hope you die in your sleep Nacho Novo ( they will think of another name) Go home ya huns. and other "political" ditties against Britain and the Crown |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... The same could be said for your mhob Napolean, NO?? Of course your terms need no explanation do they, what was it they said about the 3 Scottish/British Soldiers killed in Afghanistan, "THREE IS NOT ENOUGH". I'm sure the constant hating of Britain/England and our brave troops will endear yourselves to the people south of the border. OH NO that's right your already loved the world over. HOHOHO HEHEHE We should also warn the other teams what they should expect when they play at the Paul Gadd Arena. They should expect their players or staff to be in the middle of a hail of coins or mobile phones, maybe a cheeky wee chappy will run on the pitch and try to slap a payer or two, it's all for the craic though. All they have to do is ask Mark Walters, Doc Jackson, Andy Goram, Ally Maxwell, Hugh Dallas, Fernando Ricksen, Gordon Strachan, Dida, Brandao of Shakhtar just what a friendly bunch they are. |
William Anderson
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... It’s shocking but no longer surprising that the under classes who follow Celtic Football Club have once again shamed themselves, the organisation they support and indeed humanity with their latest sick stunt. Following hard on the heels of the truly nauseating “Poppy Day” fiasco, Celtic fans thought it funny to wave pizza boxes at Rangers fans at Larne Ferry Terminal and at other locations around Great Britain. Their sick stunts were of course in reference to the Masserene Army barracks murder by IRA cowards of two British soldiers who were going out to collect pizzas that had been delivered. Predictably, the Celtic media machine immediately went on the defensive, an unnamed spokesman declaring “We have received absolutely no report of this incident whatsoever. However, as a club open to all since it’s formation in 1888, Celtic stands firmly against all forms of bigotry and sectarianism. Where do you start with inane tosh like that? First they infer the incidents never happened. Then they propagate their “open to all” fable. Well it did happen (as the photograph below proves) and not just in one location. That’s a fact. I’ll leave those shameful events and the increasingly despicable actions of Celtic fans for now as I’m sure they’ll be well covered elsewhere. Read more right here................. http://www.vanguardbears.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=26 Celtic fans rejoicing at the deaths of Two British soldiers in Northern Ireland. Wh would want this kind of vermin roaming about their home town? Certainly not Glaswegians. |
stu
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... if they came to the prem and the prem was split into 2 leagues of 18 what 36 teams would they be...the prem 20 and then the 2 scots and then would it be the 14 highest in the championship? |
William Anderson
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... See how these animals have moved on... A man has had an ear bitten off in an assault in Ballymena. The 21-year-old was walking his dog near the Waveney Youth Centre, Doury Road, at about 1900 GMT on Wednesday when two men approached him. The victim, who was wearing a Rangers FC football shirt, said the men made abusive sectarian remarks before assaulting him. During the struggle, his left ear was bitten off. He was taken to hospital, where the ear was sewn back on. One of the assailants was described as being about 5ft 4ins tall and of a medium build. He was wearing a green and white striped top. The other was shorter and was wearing blue jeans and a blue top. Police have appealed for any witnesses to contact them on 0845 6008000 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7968849.stm Now far be it for someone many miles away in Glasgow to speculate what really happened here, I’ll leave that to the local Police. But reading between the lines this appears to have been a sectarian attack on an innocent Bear going about his lawful business. |
William Anderson
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... Bert said... You sad sad little man Mr W. Anderson. Get a life for Christ's sake. A right little one man bullshit army aren't you? The saddest thing is the WORLD knows the truth. Manchester knows it best of all. Ugly, baldy fat toothless buckfast swigging scum of the earth. Does the world know about your football club sexually abusing children for over 20 years? Does the world know your football club covered up said child abuse? Does the world know about the subsequent cover up of children being abused at Celtic park? Does the world know how much Celtic fans hate the truth? Celtic FC - Ireland's shame. |
Michael
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... i think this blog proves that we dont need/want celtic and rangers in the premiership - sounds like they are talking about a war and not a footballing rivalry, cant remember racism, child abuse and murder ever being mentioned on this site b4 now. |
jimmy cromwell
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... Do you want this filth on the strees of Birmingham? "Honouring" the perpetrators of pub bombings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM_ax89ge-w&feature=PlayList&p=5C260A18EA9496F5&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=44 |
William Anderson
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... Mickey I apologise for the posts. You'll see I started talking about Rangers in England before the animals appeared and started their horrid propaganda. We have to contend with their squalid behaviour and the only way of doing so is, by counteracting their hateful nonsense. I can assure you, we Rangers fans have no dislike of any club, other than Ireland's shame - Celtic |
Napoleon
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... # 70 You hate Celtic, and their supporters, more than you 'love' your own club. The tone of your posts tells any reasonable person that. It's not going to be long before you don't have a club any more. |
theriotsurvivor
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... Moral fortitude. Scotland was once famous for it, but alas it is disappearing by the day. Let me be one of the few Scots left to demonstrate that it still exists. I apologise unreservedly for the behaviour of the scumbag who has polluted this site with his hate fulled bile all day. It is with good fortune that I can advise you all, that despite using many alias` he is the same person. He is an administrator of the vanguardbears.com website and spends his full day spending yours, and mine, tax payers money cutting and pasting this bile in numerous media web sites from his Linwood bedsit. It is important to note that Vanguardbears.com (type it in) has been suspended by its web hosts due to the extreme political, racist and sectarian views. It's greatest claim to fame was the "parity of esteem" campaign to recover the "culture and traditions" of Rangers Football Club. As he has correctly posted, Rangers have 50k people inside Ibrox every week. They took 100k plus to Manchester last year. His views are that extreme that he attracted 500 signatures on his petition. Thomas (or Tam - whatever name you answer to), as the owner of Rangers FC prostitutes the club across Europe, desperately trying to find a buyer to avoid the financial abyss which awaits, he is continually thwarted by "the enemy within" (his words), who make that club unsellable. It is in the interests of RFC and the people you (incorrectly) claim to represent, that you stop this campaign of hate with immediate effect. Wherever you rear your ugly head, be assured, I will not be far behind to tell the truth. |
Scot-Villa
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... I really have to laugh at the rather sad and transparent attempts of Celtic fans to besmirch the name of their Old Firm rivals. I have the unfortunate task of living in the west of Scotland and can assure you, you are not fooling anyone. Your club is synonymous up here with child abuse cover ups, terrorist sympathising and anti-Englishness/Britshness. Not to mention the fact that you are unable to accept defeat graciously and choose to liberally riot and lob coins in a sad attempt at dealing with not getting your own way. Then theres the fact your Chairman is a sex pest. I dont ever want to see your lot at Villa Park. Go and play in the Irish league. Ta xxx |
William Anderson
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... Riot survivor. Thanks for the ISP no and email address. Biggest mistake yet son! You fell nicely into our little trp. |
William Anderson
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... Molloy You just couldn't help yourself. Big, big mistake. Almost on a par with joining another website. Only we are not like them and you know that from the time you shit yourself after organising a scrap. Big, big mistake tonight Jim. |
theriotsurvivor
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... You fool. I mask my static IP address. I am talking over a dynamic IP address which changes. The truth is now out there |
William Anderson
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... Mask? Not on Vb you didn't. BWHAHAHAHAHA very big mistake James, very big. You just couldn't help yourself Jim, could you? We just waited and waited for you to make probably the biggest mistake you'll ever make and you never disappointed us. Tick tock Jim. |
William Anderson
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... The truth is out there right enough. 10 Grimoldby close. Louth Lincolnshire. We gave you enough hinys you thick little cockroach where to find us and you didn't disappoint us Jim. Big mistake James. |
Ian
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... Manchester united will take a one nil advantage into next weeks champions league semi final 2nd leg after a good game of football at old trafford.arsenal failed to threaten a meaningful attempt on goal and can count themselves lucky to be only trailing by the one goal after man utd gave an onslaught on the arsenal goal in the opening half hour.a tense 2nd half almost exploded into life when ronaldo thumped a rasping shot onto manuel almunia's bar.arsenal looked ragged and unstable for long periods of the game.arsene wenger will count his lucky stars that his side will only trail by tht single goal going into next weeks enthralling tie. IAN BANAGHAN REPORTING FROM OLD TRAFFORD. |
Michael
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... i kno football to many is a religion, but the old firm take it to far, celtic are catholic, rangers protistent? why is this. was neil lennons deathreats anything to do with the old-firms religious choices or northern ireland? |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... I have just typed in vanguardbears.com and it told me it was no longer available. However being a person with more than two brain cells I just typed "vanguard bears" in the search space and found vanguardbears.co.uk Is this the same website?? |
William Anderson
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... Wherever you rear your ugly head, be assured, I will not be far behind to tell the truth. This little thief and he is a thief, organised a little scrap with me in a park. He didn't turn up, he was counting his big pay off from the council after stealing all their cash. James Molloy from Greenock, now Lincolnshire. PS I'm Tommy from Linwood bwahahahahahaha Big mistake tonight James |
Dave
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... A fair assessment Ian. I was able to see that myself thanks to this new fangled thing called tv . WTF has it do with us villans on here ???? |
Jake Gardner
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... ian why are u coming on a villa site saying all this do u not have any friends or man u fans to say it to or are u a glory hunter and live in birmingham so feel u have to speak to fellow brummies? |
William Anderson
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... Mickey I think you'll find the threat came from Riot survivor with this comment Wherever you rear your ugly head, be assured, I will not be far behind to tell the truth. I have merely told him his email and ISP no is logged after his threat. |
Jake Gardner
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... yeah but this is a villa site we are only talking about the celtic rangers thing because it effects us, and MON has spoke about it. i and no one else could care less about the man u game. if we did we can lok on skysports. |
Dave
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... Damian. Please don't mention Rangers and Celtic in a headline again,this was inevitable,and could go on all night . This is not rivallry,this is hatred and has no place on our blog. I can see your point,asking a fair and reasonable question but when it comes to the old firm,fair and reasonable goes out of the window  |
Andy Scarborough
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... I have the answer! Let the Scots have our Irish club - Liverpool. Then we would all be happy (apart from 'Gers of course. But at least Rangers are up to the task. |
Frosty
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... I can honestly say that I think Rangers would be relegation material in the Premier League. There are signs they are to become a feeder club for Birmingham who I am sure will drop back down once again next year - a quick example, of the current premier league teams how many would Kris Boyd walk into? |
Villa till I Die
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... why are Celtic fans referred to as BHEATS, Is this in reference to their cover up of Child Abuse within their sordid club. Riot Survivor, Are you the same idiot who has been banned from the Scotsman several times for racist and sectarian comments, Crawl back under your rock, Roman Catholic Bigot ! I believe thats what THE BHEAST'S owner Fergus McCann called a large section of their support |
Andy Scarborough
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... Gonzo, do you think we need Taglor's pithy remarks here tonight? Perhaps Nan will come out and spank the lads. Maybe Ches Knee will sort things out. Oh, how I yearn for some rumour chat, who to replace Rock Laursen, who to replace Gareth, who's to get us twenty goals a season, mundane things like that. Don't get me wrong, this has been fun, but the implicit death threats are taking things beyond football banter into the realms of sectarian violence. Not even a City supporter would get this sort of treatment on here (probably). |
r0bb0
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... What a depressing blog this has been. Is it a demonstration of how a few bigots can tarnish the reputations of two great clubs or is it actually shining a light on the rotten core at the heart of Scottish football? |
David Tyler
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... good question, r0bb0, but i don't think football is coming into it much. Much as I am a little curious as to whether fewer Old Firm derbies would make the matches more intense, it is easy to think that the headlines will be made by whichever of the two is playing in England that weekend. I must admit the deplorable comments in this blog made me think how much I did not want the two clubs to join our Premier League. But... it may just be that a period of not being top of the pile might ultimately foster a more balanced atmosphere between themselves and also with the English fans more generally, too. But hey, I've only just given up on 4th place so that says how naive I am! |
Hairdo
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... Oh dear damian, uve started something now! celtic and rangers fans arguing... this wont end in a hurry |
Steve Badger
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... God no, keep the jocks out  Remember The Villa-Rangers friendly. I'll never forgive them for that. This is only about money. I don't want that sectarian rubbish either. Wherever they started, they would end up as bigger clubs than anyone outside of the top 4, because it's more than just football to their fans and things are bad enough with a Sky 4 which would surely turn into a sky 6, imo. Stick where you are sweaties, you get CL and silverware every year as it is. If they get let into the EPL, I want Villa to get into the Belgian league, put it that way. EPL for English clubs, SPL for Scottish clubs, simple, especially as Scotland wants more and more autonomy O'Neil, you arsehole, don't give this any credence. Can anyone tell I've got the hump over this one?? |
adam Murray
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... Who is this riot survivor chappie ? Is he the same bheast who failed to show?Remember,remember the 4th of October Jamesy Bhoy And to all Villa fans be thankful that Rangers and Celtic will not be allowed in your fine country So you will be spared the Bheasts singing the praises of the Mhob which blew up your city centre pubs in the 1970s |
Albertz
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... CELTIC FC Supporters......................Aeroplane gestures to American player after 911, Hail Argentina during the Falklands War.......Support for the IRA bombings of London, Birmingham, Manchester........Sick jokes about the Soldiers killed by IRA terrorists earlier this year.........Coins thrown at a referee for awarding a foul against them........Same referee having his house windows bricked..........Death threats to a Spanish player which promted the Spanish Government to complain to No 10..........Pervertion against young players at Parkhead ( ask Alan Brazil )........Refusal to show respect towards the War Dead by not allowing a minutes silence ( Celtic management could not trust the fans to be quiet ) so orderted applause instead...............Applauding the Death of thousands of War Hero's.........Hatred of anything Royal or British ( apart from unemployment collections from HM Government ).....Collection tins in the 70's and 80's at Parkhead for the IRA........Ordered to play a Euro tie behind closed doors because of fans behaviour........Bottle throwing at a foreign player..............Assault on AC Milans goalkeeper.......... The list is endless Celtic FC 'BHEASTS' since 1888 |
Allan
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... This post has been filled mostly with Rangers fans attempting to besmirch Celtic FC using the vilest of insults. Well seeing who the dominant force is in Scottish football these days, the very idea of Celic having success flies them into an incandescent rage. There are a few very insecure keyboard warriors in this thread. Andt hey say there's no such thing as bad press :-)) |
Allan
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... Ha Ha Albertz...not want to talk about the football then? Figures. My my, someones panties ARE in a bunch aren't they? :-)))) |
Tichie
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... Mickey "i think this blog proves that we dont need/want celtic and rangers in the premiership - sounds like they are talking about a war and not a footballing rivalry, cant remember racism, child abuse and murder ever being mentioned on this site b4 now." Nail on the head mate. I'm a Man City fan and I live up here with the two of them (I'm just websurfing, I hope you don't mind). Remove all connections O'Neil has or had with Celtic. Reality check here. Singing in praise of the IRA? What the flying f**k??? Laughing and rejoicing in the recent murders of the two squaddies with jokes upon jokes of Pizza deliveries? What the flying f**k has that got to do with football in the 21st Century? As for the Manchester UEFA final last year. I can recognise a large group of p*ssed up fans wanting a scrap as much as the coppers - that will ALWAYS be a part of football, but Celtic fans coming to my city and singing in praise of terrorists that bombed the centre? Surely ditto Birmingham? Sadly more so? I have yet to see a picture at Celtic Park of a Saltire (can you imagine them with a UJ?). It's all Irish, Irish f**king Irish. Living in a Union that they hate and celebrating a terrorist organisation that bombs women and children from the same country that they live in? That's mentaly deranged. And this stuff that I keep on hearing about a cover up of a peado scandal at Celtic Park just puts the nail of the coffin. The EPL doesn't need these two clubs and to be honest, I don't think they need the EPL either. |
Allan
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... Tichie, I think we all know you ain't a Man City Fan. You'll find any of that "patter" on any Rangers website. At least have the cajones to drop the mask. I hear it slips quite easily. |
Tichie
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... P.S. All the best for next season even though I think we'll beat you in the placings!!! But please, please, don't fall for any Celtic lovers just because of the O'Neil connection. Put it this way, would Villa fans accept an English Club that had 60,000 fans singing haterd of all kinds about England and in praise of Al Queda and the London bombings? Reality check lads!!! Well then, swap the muso nutters for the Celtic IRA lovers. |
Allan
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... Oh dear Titchie, you're definitely a very impassioned "neutral" Man City fan. Next you'll be telling everyone Hitler managed Celtic. Haven't you a soapbox to be standing on somewhere? |
Anthony Laud
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... Ian you certainly werent reporting from Old trafford as you were on here all night. from london no doubt! |
Daniel Wilson
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... Wow, just popped on to see what the gossip was today and it looks like i've entered a war zone. Personaly I always thought seeing Scotlands 2 best clubs in the premiership would be a good thing, but after reading this, maybe not. This thread needs someone to cheer things up a bit, wheres Taglor? I want an update on those elecie bills! |
Tichie
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... Allan, wow, your telling me who am not? Amazing powers. Am I to now tell you who you are or aren't? Why don't you challenge what I have written? You can't because Celtic fans sing in support of the IRA. Re-read the f**king posts. English people hate the IRA. Celtic fans sing in support of the IRA. I don't need any of my, yes, Rangers friends to tell me that... Re-read the posts numbnuts. Where have I mentioned the word neutral? And it was The Daily Record that did the epose on the peado cover up and not a Rangers fan. Tosser. |
Alex
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... If Celtic and Rangers joined they would not qualify for the champions league and this would cripple them financially. Admittedly tv money would be more but they would not be able to replace the champions league revenue! Furthermore allowing two teams from ANOTHER COUNTRY to join the league will add further fuel to the fire regarding team GB. I for one would hate to have a team GB. I travel abroad regularly with work and it pains me that people introduce me as being from the UK. I am from England, and no disrepespect to Scotland, Wales or Ireland, but i am proud of being English and want it to stay that way. Allowing our leagues to merge and the national teams to do the same would slowly but surely ruin our identity as individual countries! Rant Over |
Tichie
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... Well said to point Alex, the OF get around £2.5m in TV money plus £10m in CL group stages - sod all really. Team GB for the Olympics only, as happens with all the other athelites. Far too much scare mongering going around. Berwick play in Scotland and the Taffies play in England. Have done for so long. |
AVFC CELTIC
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... In Glasgow town we have a team and celtic is the name, We've beaten rangers and Milan for celtic know the game, and if you don't belive me boys come and see us play, For Glasgow celtic, up the Celtic, beats the world today. |
colm tarpey
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... Maybe if they did come down t the EPL and had their asses handed to them on a plate week in week out they would start to take an interest in the football side of things instead of this sectarian crap... |
Nick
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... What happens to the spl when this happens? I bet a few other SPL clubs would love to be included in the 36 clubs that make up both "premier leagues". I think it is a really, really bad idea. I also think that it will never happen. |
peter power
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... dont let the celtic terrorists in to the ENGLISH league,they hate us we hate them end ov. follow follow up the villa  |
Allan
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... Tichie "Allan, you're telling me who am not" You'll need to interprete that for me mate. I don't speak fluent chav. Unfortunately Rangers "supporters" of your type (although the club wouldn't want your type anywhere near the ground)have to resort to these vile, dispicable insults to try and besmirch the good name of Celtic and it's supporters. I could wax lyrical about the litany of your clubs abhorrent behaviour, but I don't feel the need to try and garner hatred towards another club from other fans who are unconnected with us. Its all fairly desperate and ever so transparent. You will see that 99% of all the "old firm below the belt insults" in this thread are by you and your "type". Fact. The tremendous thing is that you and the other trogladytes in this thread are actually bringing your own trangressions to the attention of others, and for that I thank you sincerely. |
Bawsman
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... Pretty depressing reading from one or two Rangers supporters, they just ooze hate, that's what they do. Please don't fall into their trap that the trouble with the 'Old Firm' (I hate that term and being linked with them), is sectarian. Celtic have since the outset had players and supporters of all faiths, colours and creeds. They have some rabid individuals who seem to be in full time employment on websites attempting to pigeon hole the Celtic support as above but their day is done. If the SFA had the balls they would be shut down by now for their racist chants and abuse of ANY Catholic/Irish person who happens to play in Scotland. Young McCarthy at Hamilton, Noel Hunt and Willo Flood formerly with Dundee Utd were particular targets. If these guys were black and on the receiving end of their abuse the law would be down on them like a shower of Manchester polis. I think you will find it was Scotlands Shame FC that had a sectarian employment policy, instigated by the arch bigot William Struth when the shipbuilders from NI came across to Glasgow after the first WW and continued with the complicity of the media and establishment until Souness signed Maurice Johnston, a period of circa 85 years. I will party like never before when they are put into administration in the summer, I HATE the poison they spout and unlike them I want rid of racism and sectarianism in football, the quicker they are made history the better for society. As a matter of interest, I spent a long time in the forces and I have a sibling and 3 neices/nephews serving. Wullie above spouts about his country but thats usually all rabble rousers and keyboard hardmen do. The fact that I served does not stop me thinking that Ireland should be United, that soldiers should not shoot dead unarmed civil rights marchers and Royalty should be consigned to history. Most importantly though, I will love it when we do four in a row, Villa get into the top four and Rangers fold. Hail! Hail! As for the term HUN being sectarian I'm old enough to remember Rangers supporters calling US Huns, EVERY other teams support calls them HUNS, 'after the Manchester crimewatch special who will argue the term fits? |
Allan
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... Bluey: the only terrorising that Celtic have done recently was Aiden McGeady to Kirk Broadfoot for the winning goal in the latest cup final. Still hurts doesn't it? Nice. |
Phil Mac Rackin
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... Bawsman wants to forget a disgusting incident of racism at the home of Celtic FC which happened 20 years ago but wants to sing songs about the I Ran Away from 93 years ago. These Bheasts don't do irony. |
Phil Mac Rackin
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... As for Jim "The Midget" Malloy, yes thats what his ex-colleagues at the council called him, I take it thats another schoolboy error? Bwahahahahahaha!! |
Cavan
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... theres a little snag i think most ppl have forgot about, scotland is too cold to play in winter and they shut down for christmas, it wouldnt be able to work if every christmas celtic and rangers wouldnt be able to play their home matches. FIFA will never allow this as it allows for other teams from other leagues to join the bigger leagues, it would allow Lyon to join the italien league, Porto to join the spanish league, Ajax to join the german league etc, this is why it wont happen tho i do think everyone needs to get off their high horse about scottish football being racist and thugs, as english football is no better, coin throwing has become a common theme in the EPL these days even villa did it at harry, and i think villa are a nice club, celtic and rangers would be great for the EPL in a purely nuetral way, but as a villa fan, i dont want them here, as it will make it even harder for villa to break into the top 4, just like i wouldnt want real madrid and ac milan join the epl for the same reasons, that is why we have champions league football, instead of bailing out the SPL they should be strenngthening the league by equal sharing the tv money so that hibs and aberdeen can become strong teams again,, make scottish football more competitive, celtic and rangers hog most of the tv money, make them have equal shares, i belive they threatend to quit the league last time they tried that, well let them, as they will have no where to go, as we shouldnt take them. |
Gray1981
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... Rangers and the other team mentioned may struggle in the infancy of there time in the EPL. But with the fan base Rangers have and the money that would be generated by the Sky television deal within 3-4 years Rangers would be a massive force in Europe and also in domestic football. Of that I have no doubt. |
Bawsman
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... Hibs under 19's just completed the league and cup double in Scotland and Celtic reserves won the league for the 8th time in a row the other day. Mr. Murray, the rangers chairman, sunk a huge wedge about 8 years ago into a state of the art training facility.........Looks like it's not the buildings what count. They'll be working a spent seam if he's got to get rid of TEN first team squad players in the summer and using the youth to progress. Rangers will struggle for top 6 next year. Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Motherwell will have better squads when the dust settles after the summer meltdown in Govan. |
Bawsman
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... I have not said we should forget about the racism. We wholeheartedly apologise for it, learn from it and do not condone ANY racism. Rangers should follow our example. Let's start with you Phil, eh? |
Phil Mac Rackin
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... Here we have Bawsman, the bigot, another Bheast who is obsessed with all things Rangers. They hate Rangers more than they love Celtic. FACT. |
Phil Mac Rackin
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... Bheastman, nice attempted deflection but get your own house in order first. PS. I'm still laughing at Molloy here. |
deek
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... With Rangers winning the most leagues in Scotland,ppl like Bawsman are now trying to find some importance in the stiffs league. It's ok winning a league thats designed to bring through players,or to bring players back from injury,but my question to Bawsman is this why are Celtic not bringing through any 9 million pound players like Rangers did with Alan hutton? |
razz
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... this all makes perfect sense. but what about that football club in birmingham called aston villa or sumat?? they're quite a good football team. dont know whether anyone on here knows of em?? |
Bawsman
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... Deek, we keep our 9 million pound players son, we are NOT a selling team....unless they want to go, like Petrov . How many leagues have you won this century mate? Razz.....run along now, this thread is for Jocks. Phil......Methinks you protesteth too much. Have you a dark secret son? |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... Bawsman is the classic tell a lie long enough it becomes truth.. Ra Sellick NEVER signed a Protestant until the 1920's and considering Scotland's Catholics were and still are in the minority I think we all know who were formed on a certain non-signing policy, indeed Rangers had Catholics playing for them BEFORE you lot were formed. TRY AGAIN muggins. As for booing certain faux Irish players, when they come out with stupid comments they deserve all they get, of course you lot don't boo anybody who plays for or has played for Rangers FC, do you? Your faux moralising is laughable at best! As for Rangers sending their players to the shipyards during the war I have a list of all players who served during that time and would gladly post it, do you have a list for yours?? ANOTHER BHEAST MYTH BUSTED. WEE Bawsman is the a-typical sellick fan. Bullshitter extraordinaire with stories full of holes. What was your ex chairman Fergus McCann called you lot "CATHOLIC BIGOTS" - you truly have earned that. WELL DONE YOU. |
Bawsman
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... John........Another rangers poster fixated with a child abuse, I think you need help. However, Celtic (unlike Hibs) were formed as a non denominational club, hence the name. I never stated that rangers had a sectarian employment policy before the arch bigot Struth instigated it to attract the NI shipyard workers who were looking for a vehicle to peddle their particular brand of sectarian filth. "Faux Irish players" like Flood, Hunt and Lennon........Give us peace. Point out ONE bigoted thing I have printed? |
Allan
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... If any of the hun scum want to know a real "tradgedy", it was from their own club who failed to build their stadium correctly and therefore were responsible for killing 66 of their own supporters. Every cloud... |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... However Sellick were formed on a sectarian footing from the start. They stole Hibs and Renton players (ALL CATHOLIC) with inducements, money under the table etc, the promise to buy them pubs, when Scotland is mostly Protestant and you sign ALL Catholics just what does that make your club? Considering Scotland was/is 80% Protestant it is highly likely that any club going out of their way to sign Catholics should be considered more bigoted than others eh?? Jesus wept just where did you get your info on the Northern Irish Shipworkers and the Bill Struth, KDS, TAL, Sellick Minded, any other I Ran Away lovers website you may care to mention!! I did say CERTAIN faux Irish players, you know McGeady, McCarthy. As for the rest Hunt and Flood have came out with stupid comments just before Rangers were due to play them so they got booed. And wee saintly Lennon HAHAHAHA, where do you start with the Lurgan Bigot, maybe him shouting at the Rangers bench "YOUR CHEATING ORANGE BASTARDS" and spitting on a Rangers scarf is not the best player to put up here for moral fortitude. Poor wee Lemmy never does any wrong. HUN - IS SECTARIAN AND BIGOTED AS PROVEN IN A SCOTTISH COURT OF LAW AND DEEMED SO BY NBM. Oh dear is that too hard for you or are you stuck in your bigoted ways? Fergus McCann was and still is right. |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... As if to prove my point at just how sick these scummy self proclaimed GFITW are have a look at Allans last comment. |
Allan
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... Wind yer neck in JR, do you really think the world is ready for your nondescript witterings. As if any neutral would believe your rantings. An average permaraging hun with time on his hands, who'dathunkitt? Setlle down and have some orange squash. |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... Has something got yer goat you bigoted sicko?? FACTS pleb FACTS something your ilk don't like!! What's the matter is yer wee halo slipping, oops it slipped with your last comment didn't it?? It just shows we don't make you lot up, it's all there in print. What a plum you are. |
Allan
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... Aye. Facts. Right then. Funny how I don't see reams of people agreeing with your "facts." Are you trying to convince me that Celtic don't have an element of their fanbase who are not whiter than white? Save you breath. It stinks of hypocrisy. If you think ANYONE bar the other amoeba who call themselves Rangers "fans" cares about your "facts" you are delusional. The media up here speaks mostly of Rangers fans poor behaviour be it singing racist songs or ripping up manchester. If you think digging up "facts" from decades ago is pertinent, tnen you go ahead sunshine. 3IAR and counting, prick. |
gers1873
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... Allan said: ... If any of the hun scum want to know a real "tradgedy", it was from their own club who failed to build their stadium correctly and therefore were responsible for killing 66 of their own supporters. didnt take you long to show your true colours did it.... and just weeks after england mourned the 20th anniversary Hillsborough there you are mocking disasters in stadiums. So going by your logic all stadium owners are to blame for disasters that happend in their grounds even though they were outwith their control. Very sick way to think Timmy With fans who think like that,(along with their IRA loving fans) I would think Thats a very good reason for celtic staying where they are. |
Michaell Lockey
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... sorry got stopped there. anyways i think we should just merge the hole epl spl and whales into one. have a massive comp where the top teams from all the top league of each league plays in a mini league and the top 30 teams from that are the new premier league the rest go into the championship. the teams in the second divsion do the same over and over. until all teams are re-seeded. then start the league this could takes months but would make the game so much better. and would give all teams a even chance to get into divisions. |
Allan
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... Gers 1873 said: "blah blah blah blah blah (ooops try to ingratiate English fans) ermmm....Hillsborough!!" I see you've conveniently not spotted any of the multitude of references to peadophelia, racism, sectarianism and general bile that's been directed towards Celtic in any of this thread. Having a bit of trouble climbing onto that moral high horse now then? I think the Ibrox Disaster was genuinely a shame of course, however if those 66 people shared any views of the large majority of Rangers "fans" (and by that I mean the ones indulging in vile insults)in this thread I would gladly have paid for their entrance to the stadium. Do you agree with their views? |
Allan
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... Ooooh, controversial Phil. What WILL you think of next? Hopefully something with a little more substance. Maybe you want to explain to everyone what "ambulance chaser" means. It's clearly tells us more about you than anything else. The floor is yours, hunney. |
Phil Mac Rackin
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... Allan, obviously you were glad to see 66 Rangers supporters die in a stadium tragedy but on the other grubby hand you run all the way down to Liverpool demanding Justice for the 96. A better example of ambulance chasing you will not find anywhere. Your Bheastly clubs fans support those who bombed England (Warrington, Manchester, Brighton, Birmingham, London...) and killed women and children but you just want to be loved. What a disgusting bheastly club you follow. |
Deek
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... Bawsman you dont have any nine million pound players Son. And I dont remember Petrov coming through your youth system.When did that happen? |
Allan
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... I see Phil. Obviously? I made it clear that I thought the ID was a genuine shame, (you CAN read Phil?) but you still find supporting the 96 from Liverpool "grubby" Oh dear Phil. Seems you'll tarnish a lot of things to get your petted lip noticed. That's a shame. For you, of course. And your family. Maybe you can explain the taunt "bheastly" next? Roll up!! Roll up everyone!! Phil is dissecting himslef live on the web!! Horror guaranteed!! Oh dear. |
gers1873
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... do i believe that boys were abused by a celtic coach and then the abuse was covered up by the management at parkhead ?? YES Do I believe that celtic fans are sectarain?? YES Do i believe Celtic fans are racist??? Yes The thing is all my answers are backed up by facts all of which have been posted in various posts above. From covering up CHILD abuse to throwing bananas and chanting vile IRA slogans and now its the turn of 66 dead peole who cant defend themselves. All this from the greatest fans in the world You Are Scum |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... I don't care a jot if you agree or don't agree with what I say, you can put your "facts" in your daft wee quotes but you and I know what's what, don't we? Your just seething inside that you follow such a vile and disgusting club. LOVE ME, LOVE MY CLUB is your mantra sicko, yet your club allow you bheastly hordes to sing in favour of a banned terrorist organisation who have murdered women, children, men and any other living creature that just happens to pass a bomb by. No matter how you spin it dummy you and your fellow bheasts cannot deal with the truth, it's always someone else's fault. Just who on here agrees with your vile comments, bheast? Irony or what. Is there a big long list while you tell your wee buddies on TAL, KDS or better yet I bet it's the fuddleboard. Just what views are you talking about?? The fact your club did hide child abuse? The fact your club did have a sectarian signing policy? The fact your clubs fans attack players, referees and staff while playing at The San Giro? The fact your fans are responsible for the most vile racist abuse ever at a football ground? The fact that your fans have interrupted minutes silences for The Queen Mother, Princess Diana, The victims of the Omagh bombings, The victims of the Hillsborough disaster and refused to have a minutes silence for the British troops lost in action because it's not "the celtic way". You really do deserve each other. I bet Fergus is glad he's away from you lot. |
Phil Mac Rackin
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... Allan, I branded your hands grubby not the 96 from Liverpool, now who can't read? You know and everyone on here knows why you and your like are branded as bheasts. Deny, deflect and blame is Bheast FCs best game. |
The Mighty Steve
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... Damian, you must have the ability to close comments on this post surely? It’s getting a bit ridiculous. |
Allan
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... Aye Phil, that's right. You keep peddling lies about child abuse in a point scoring exercise over someone who has the temerity to support the dominant force in Glasgow. At least one of us will sleep easy tonight. And it won't be the keyboard warrior glorifying paedophilia, that's for sure. you can bet your last thin dime if Rangers were the team on top these days, you'd hardly hear a peep out of you all. The very thought, in fact the utter reality, that Celtic is on top, is simply too much for you to bear. Which is nice. |
Allan
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... I urge any neutrals to simply click on this link. You'll see Rangers fans at their absolute best, and how they are viewed on a global stage. I bring you "facts" that you can see and hear for yourself, not the witterings of a demented few from the Glasgow slums.. http://www.footballkitsonline.com/2009/02/07/most-daring-massive-manchester-united-riot-from-trutvcom/ |
Phil Mac Rackin
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... Allan or should I call you by your real name Jim? Stick up a link to the record number of banning orders your Bheastly support received in Blackburn. Over to you Louth Mouth. |
chappy74
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... allan . ."peddling lies about child abuse" get a grip, the only people that peddled lies were your club, when they covered up for Mr Torbett . . .these are not lies we cast against you, we back them all up with irrifutable facts and evidence . .and for the whole of this thread, not ONE of your cast aspersions against rangers footballl club or us, its fans , have you backed up with any kind of factual justification or evidence . . .TGFATW hillarious |
John "sex pest" Reid
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... Allan your vid post is full of bheasts such as yourself slating Rangers, hardly a world view dimmy is it?? ONLY 15 comments on that site dullard. You really have to try harder thicko you are as transparent as tracing paper. "PEDDLING LIES ABOUT CHILD ABUSE" you said Only Celtic FC peddled lies about the child abuse they swept it under their very large carpet at the Piggery. Maybe you should tell that to Alan Brazil and James McGrory are they lying about it too. What a thick bheast you are. |
Villa till I Die
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... I thinkn it is safe to say that we can do without the green and grey BHEASTS in the EPL |
Peter Dragoonis
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... The fact of the matter is, celtic and rangers need the Premier league more than it needs them. leave them in scotland |
Villa till I Die
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... The irony of The BHEASTS wanting to join the EPL is comical, This is a club who detest everthing English and British, but they want to play in the English League, what next, The Taliban entering a team in the NFL |
Villa till I Die
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... I would welcome Rangers FC into the EPL, They have the largest travelling support in the world, They have a 5 star stadium as classified by FIFA, THE BHEASTS do not, Do we want an anti English team in the EPL, with all their IRA attachments |
Martin Clabon
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... Fckin Hell, I thought I hated Blues until I read this stuff. Turns out I only mildly dislike them |
YamYamVillian
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... They would bearly scrape mid-table. Have you ever watch the SPL. But then again watchin Rangers destroy Celtic in the old firm derby would be great in the prem cuz i f**king hate Celtic |
Allan
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... The number of hun scum pretending to post as Villa fans simply shows the deperation of this nazi club. "I love Rangers they have the biggest travelling support" "I love Rangers are they don't support the IRA" "I love Rangers as they have a 5 star stadium" Just some comments you would typicaly find from die hard Villa fans, of course (snicker) Oh how we laugh at the desperate whingers Rangers FC have become since Celtc have become the dominant force in Scotland. Oh who's the champins now SCUM, Who's the champions now? Beaten into submission on your own land by a team founded on behalf of Irish immigrants. Hahahahahahaha. Love it. |
chappy74
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... wow allan, your back . . . still waiting for fact, evidence, or anything to back up ANYTHING you've said, or are you still scouring the internet for any shred to back up your comment that we're peddling lies about septics child abuse shame |
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