Written by Damian Friday, 23 July 2010 12:16
This whole James Milner saga is starting to get extremely boring now. Just before the World Cup we were told that talks were positive but yesterday we were told that the player intimated he would like to leave in that exact same conversation. Does it add up to you?
Then we have General PR, Krulak if you want, publishing figures about the net spend of our club over the past two years, when that information isn't publicly available. That isn't so surprising - the PR department should know this information, but he then starts quoting figures from other clubs, also for the last two years, claiming as fact, net spend figures for the likes of Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton.
How can he get these figures? I'll tell you how; he can't. He is either making figures up to try and create positive PR or someone has handed him information that is made up, to create positive spin and PR.
Add it all up and believe whatever you want to believe - but actions speak louder than words and we will know on September 1st 2010 the real intentions of Randy Lerner.
At the end of the day, if Martin O'Neill doesn't put some silverware in the cabinet this season or finish higher than sixth, General PR is going to need to get his spin back on and start talking about six year plans for Champions League football or explain why failure is acceptable, if Martin O'Neill isn't sacked.
The sun is shining
But, to James Milner, as this is the story that is going to run and run. At the end of the day we had to say no to the first offer but if and when Manchester City make another, we have to think very carefully about accepting.
At the end of the day, if you take away his engine, his other attributes are fairly average so if we can double our money on the player then we would be mad not to do it - it isn't as if we play through midfield that often or that Milner is irreplaceable.
When the sun shines make hay and the sun is shining on James Milner - we might not see this amount of cash for one of our players ever again.
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Ascone Villa
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... I think the ONLY positive outcome from Milner's sale will be if we do actually acquire Stephen Ireland plus money (we would be getting by far the best deal). I'd be delighted to see this transaction; but if not, I can't see Milner's sale having any good impact. I think there's some unfair pressure on O'Neill this season. Why should we "expect" to get Champions League Qualification when we have to sell-to-buy and we know that this, once again, could not be further from the situation at Spurs and City. I still wouldn't rule it out, but I don't think the club is in a position to be handing out ultimatums to our manager. |
VillaJigz
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... Wow I have finally agree with you Damo only on the James Milner (The sun is shining bit. I think Milner is just a good prem player, nothing over special about him without his engine. If the talk is true and I hope it is, I think Ireland is a better player than Milner is the attacking sense. So I for one will not miss Milner IF we get Ireland or someone of similar quality!!! |
Chiefy
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...I think the ONLY positive outcome from Milner's sale will be if we do actually acquire Stephen Ireland plus money Witsel is better than Ireland  |
Chiefy
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...At the end of the day, if you take away his engine, his other attributes are fairly average so if we can double our money on the player then we would be mad not to do it - it isn't as if we play through midfield that often or that Milner is irreplaceable That is exactly it Damo, 100% agree |
Craigy1874
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... He is a big loss, no doubt, but he does only tend to play superbly 1 in 3. I just wish it would be over with so we can move on and sign some replacements though. |
Damian
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... VillaJigz my view on milner has been fairly static since the day he signed - surprised it has taken you this long to agree with me |
RichT
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... Sell James NOW! Todays papers are saying City will offer 24m quid for our tallented but fairly average player! It's crazy money for Milner and we should rip their hands off! MON will be lucky not to get arrested for daylight robbery! I think this will happen and the sooner it does, the better. My only worry is how Martin will spend the Milner money. I think he will be allowed to re-invest but I am concerned that we will be held to ransom for average players as the selling clubs know we have 24m burning a hole in our pockets! If we clear the dead-wood out of our squad, buy 2 or 3 quality players and give the kids a go in the first team then I will be a happy man. A right back and a creative midfielder are top of my list. Then either buy a top striker or give the Fonz his chance...im sure he will take it! |
Hobbsy
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... Axel witsel is a quality young player. Witsel, mcgeady, Cardozo and keane would be amazing for us. Milner has nerve saying he don't want out of villa when a colleague was at his house by belfry yesterday emptying his septic tank - a requirement before putting house on Market quick thing - it's my understanding that we have £15m to spend, add £25 from milner plus around 5-10m from selling reo coker, young, sidwell, beye hopefully heskey!! Thats £50m to spend!!!! Could be intressting, however I have it on good authority that villa want straight cash from city, no players |
Andy
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...Milner has nerve saying he don't want out of villa when a colleague was at his house by belfry yesterday emptying his septic tank - a requirement before putting house on Market What a complete load of crap (sorry about the pun..!)  If this is what you base your info on you talk rubbish. |
D Sparks
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...Milner has nerve saying he don't want out of villa when a colleague was at his house by belfry yesterday emptying his septic tank - a requirement before putting house on Market Also needed to be done when the tank is full or for no doubt a lot of other reasons |
mickey86
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... yea andy, he mite off just had a bad case of the s**ts since getting back from South Africa. I want him to stay for villas sake, as we need a hero at the club. but im bored now so would rather him go than to have to put up with this story for the next 2 years. |
mr_stevebob
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...if Martin O'Neill isn't sacked He'll leave well before that. Hope he stays though. Damian, I think I'm right in saying you've never had a very high opinon of James Milner. Even when he moved into the middle and broke into the England team there was never anything more than a grudging respect. Now that it looks like he's off you've jumped at the chance to say "oh well he wasn't that good anyway". As far as I'm concerned the sun aint shining because we're losing one of our best players just as he's starting to enter his prime. If he wants to go then lets get as much cash for him as MON can carry out of Eastlands in a wheelbarrow. Just don't ask me to be happy about it - once the other clubs know MON's got the James Milner money jangling around in his pockets we'll be quoted outrageous prices for every half-decent player we try to sign. |
mickey86
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... what does everyone think of the flamini link? i cant see it happening, but if it did id be very happy, especially for £4million. |
McParland
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... If £24 million is offered then MON should take it and get some other decent ceative players in ASP so they can have time to gelprior to the season opening.Not sit on his ass until the very last moment pondering to much.. |
Damian
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... mr_stevebob i think you'll find that last season i wrote that he would be the first name down on my team sheet - after getting moved into the middle and after banging that drum for half a season before it happened - hardly "grudging respect" - although i will say that when i wrote that i did say for his work rate as for jumping on something - do you want me to change my mind about him as a player just because he might be/wants to leave? end of the day - it is opinion based. i dont think he is that good and i think if someone is going to be fool enough to offer more than £20mn for him then we would be fools to not accept |
TheDiamond
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... It will be tough to get Flamini at the club but I think O'Neill is probably looking at tonnes of central midfielders right now. i wouldn't rule out anyone. |
mon 4-5-1
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...mickey86 said: That's because as some of us have said here, our muppet of a manager is incapable of spotting talent in europe, or refuses to take a gamble on hot prospect in europe. We could have got Defour for around 12-14 million last season,but instead we opted for Downing. Even now we are being linked with journey men, that frankly are not worth being in a top 4 side. |
Brum in the south
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... Let him go!! Got to say he is the one player I thought would not do this to our beloved club but it just goes to show he's just like judas Barry!! We will more than cope without him. Some games last season he was a passenger just like sidwell! And believe me i think 25 million for him is out of this world |
Damian
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... March 26th 2009 - Steven Defour talking up Aston Villa: http://www.thevillablog.co.uk/...lay-4-5-1/ |
meangene
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... Stephan Ireland, Stephan Ireland, Stephan Ireland. Please, no deal without Ireland coming in the oppisite direction. Twice the football player Milner is and even has a bit of that work-horse side to him. He is however a complete tosser, douchbag though, but every player has his baggage. |
Chiefy
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... Dam0 - Defour, Witsel, Bouaffaa or Sennsong (who is being offered out at 8million) ?? |
mickey86
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... defours still recovering from a broken leg so theres probably not much in the man u link anyway. cant say i know much about him? was it a case of hes foreign so hes good? |
SCOTT1
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... sell him! even at 24m,beg flamini to come.hes 26 better than milner ,and already has premiership experience.if we got him and put 20m in the bank it will be one of the best bits of business ive seen. |
Hobbsy
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... Boys i'm the operations manager for the uk's biggest independant drainage company, James milner has a 1000 gallon septic tank which are all fitted with soakaways to remove the liquids and the solids build up over a period of around 12 months so at most will be emptied twice yearly, milner had his done in April and has had it done again yesterday for the cetification, his mrs signed for the works, I suppose I could always scan on the customer acceptance report for your perusal, I guarentee he has had his done pre move to city |
jimboAVFC
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... If we sell jimmy for 24m, we can only judge this as a good deal after we see who MON replaces him with. If we have lots of money and spend it on sh!t then the whole saga will be a waste of time. i reserve judgment until then........ |
mon 4-5-1
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...cant say i know much about him? was it a case of hes foreign so hes good? from a article "Ferguson is always interested in Steven (Defour) ever since he sent him the letter when he was struggling with injury. He is interested but we have to wait for an offer to be validated. "At the moment he is not 100 per cent because of his long term injury, and now he has to work on recovering from this." Stefani was then asked if Manchester City, Liverpool, and Chelsea were monitoring the player's situation: "Yes, they are interested, but many clubs are interested, from Spain, Italy, and Germany. To say that tomorrow he will go to England is not right. There is always interest and every wants to play in the Premier League because it is a very big competition. But, I think we will have to wait until he is a 100 per cent fit, not 85 per cent." Somehow it is a case he is actually quality, and again we have missed the boat. |
McParland
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... I for one would cerainly WELCOME flamini because of his natural flair and creative abilities.But MON needs to strike while the irons hot or someone else more assertative will get in first. |
ak_27
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...If we sell jimmy for 24m, we can only judge this as a good deal after we see who MON replaces him with. Well McGeady looks nailed on for around £10m which seems very excessive to me. Especially as it looks like N'Zogbia is available for £8m who is a far better player in every department to me. |
Aero-4-Villa
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... Milners sale is actually very exciting. We could bring in three players who are arguably better than him for less than we sold him. I know it would never happen but in terms of money, it would be possible for us to sign Van Der Vaart, Hleb and Flamini. All just from the sale of Milner. Van Der Vaart - 10 million Hleb - 8 million Flamini - 5 million ..... Overall - 23 million But as i said yesterday, im not in the slightest way confident MON will do anything spectacular with the money. Sometimes i do envy Tottenham for they have a manager who knows how to sign big players |
ak_27
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...Stephan Ireland, Stephan Ireland, Stephan Ireland. Please, no deal without Ireland coming in the oppisite direction. Twice the football player Milner is and even has a bit of that work-horse side to him. He is however a complete tosser, douchbag though, but every player has his baggage. Spot on. If this club and manager have any clue on how to climb the table then Ireland has to the most vital part in the Milner move. |
jimboAVFC
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... MON 4-5-1, Defour is quality, but if man u, chelsea and liverpool are interested i can assure you we have not missed the boat. There is no chance of us attracting a player ahead of the above teams. |
Chiefy
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... AK_27 -- Ireland is a lose cannon and many issues going on in his head, Alex Witsel is the man we want he would be immense he is better than Ireland without the Chavyness attached |
Andy
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... Bloody Hell..Sheffield Wednesday have been served with a winding up order by HMRC...! Once a decent club...! I'm thinking FIFA should start to cap salaries/wages/borrowings aswell as the squad numbers to protect clubs from falling by he wayside. What is happening is poor for football in general. It's looking about time the governing body had some intervention to protect football for the longer term. I'm not an advocate of the nanny state, but clubs that have good support are being sent to the wall.  |
Chiefy
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... Anyone want to see what the general has said ?? its axel witsel as well sorry my mistake damn typing |
ak_27
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...Ireland is a lose cannon and many issues going on in his head, Alex Witsel is the man we want he would be immense he is better than Ireland without the Chavyness attached I think Irelands personal issues are being way overhyped to be honest. The reason he wants out of City is that he hates sitting on the bench. When he was played every game for City the year before last he was the best attacking CM in the PL that season in my eyes. Now i honestly can't say how good that Alex Witsel guy is as ive never really seen him play but the reality is he hasn't done what Ireland has in the PL. Ireland would be easily the safer decision as he has proved what he can do. The other point regarding Ireland is that his enigine and ability to break from deep is second to none in the league and it would really suit our counter attacking game plan that MON prefers. And the reason he has such a great engine is that he trains on his own during the off season which is not exactly the sign of a troublemaker. He is just a tool not a troublemaker. He is in reality a very commited (except for his bloody country that is) and extremley gift techically young player the likes of which i honestly cannot remember the last time we have such a CM with his qualities. One last thing is that he also is top notch at weighing a killer pass to perfection which is something that Gabby perhaps would relish for a change. That combo could be deadly. |
jimboAVFC
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... i can't really comment on Mcgeady ak_27 cause i have only seen him play a couple of times but i have always been a fan of N'Zogbia, think he could do a good job for the villa. but as most people of said, Ireland is the one we need. If we got him, it would be the best bit of business MON has done since he swapped carew for baros! |
VillaNick
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...By the way, i just uploaded a John Carew movie to youtube. Its very nice! Watching that put a smile on my miserable Villa supporting face. A true hero, top bloke. If we sell him I'm gonna get the right A*se. |
ak_27
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...i can't really comment on Mcgeady ak_27 cause i have only seen him play a couple of times but i have always been a fan of N'Zogbia, think he could do a good job for the villa. Ive seen a lot of McGeady and in ways i like him but i also see his limitations as a player which seem to have really began to effect his Celtic career. Put it like this any Celtic fan whi ive spoken to are delighted at the meantioned transfer and are praying to god we fork out £10m for the guy. N'Zogbia playing on the right coming in on his favoured left foot could be a very dangerous weapon. |
mon 4-5-1
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...jimboAVFC said: jimboAVFC - but he mentioned us prior to all the big names being mentioned, or being interested in him. We could have at the time got him for around 12 -14 million. Even Moyes was interested and the only reason Everton did get him was they were unable to afford him, but we were, and did we even make a bid for him? |
Howard
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... It makes hardly any difference who we buy and who we sell if MON is going to continue to play old fashioned 442 and with a CB playing at RB. I remember before we played Chelsea in the Semi Final when MON said "I want us to play like Barcelona". Well Martin, if you want to play like Barcelona you have to set your team up to play 4 3 3 in the same way Barcelona (or even Chelsea and Arsenal do). Could you imagine Barcelona with Heskey playing in a 442 set up? Even playing 443 (our best set up) and with say Ireland and a good RB its going be difficlut to challenge for Top 4. Its not just the addition of quality players to our sqaud thats required. Its going to take a massive step up from MON to get us even in a challenging position. He has to think about how the best teams set up these days. If you have 2 in CM against 3 its obvious that your two will fade towards the end of a game. If Milner went and we can bring in Ireland and a quality RB then I would be happy providing Heskey and a couple of the other fringe players went. I like the look of Delfonso, Albrighton, Eric L, Bannan and Clark. |
VillaNick
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... I agree, boring Milner talk turning into another Barry saga. Buying players is all well and good, but not being able to hang onto them when they start to flourish is not acceptable in my mind. One simple thing would allow us to keep these players at the club and thats Champions League Football. There is more chance of rocking horse poo that seeing that at Villa Park under MON. ....so a selling club we are then! |
leight
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... b30 villain http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/22/the-general-returns-with-a-strong-message-for-the-fans/ |
Chiefy
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... Leight -- thanks steal my thunder General Krulak here: I will always win  |
leight
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... chiefy sorry mate, i was actually reading the article at the same time so pasted the link.... |
david g
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... I find the prospect of losing Milner for about 25 mill, and MON using about 10 mill of that to buy McGeady, to be a deeply depressing prospect. Having watched McGeady a few times, imo he looks to be a fair to middling player in a very poor league.MON has made some good signings and some really poor ones, like any manager, but I'll hazard a guess now that, to coin a phrase, McGeady will be "the new Maloney", only a lot more expensive. I reckon that Celtic will bite our hands off for that sort of money for the player. Surely there must be better players than this out there in the whole wide wide world to spend c10 mill of our precious transfer resources on, Mr O'Neill?? If you really think that there isn't,or you can't get them to come to VP for whatever reason,or you just really are scared to take a chance in Europe, how about giving the likes of Albrighton a real chance instead?? |
Chrisodon
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... Got this off the ever reliable Football-Rumours 23 Jul 2010 12:39:08 Villa News.I Thought i'd share this info, As a few sources in the club have said these too me. MON, Is waiting for the Milner ordeal to end (Hence the announcement yesterday) But will not be accepting Steven Ireland in p/x, But is willing to receive Richards or Michael Johnson. Villa have also made tentative enquiries for several players as to there availability & if willing to move, No figures or prices asked just yet. The Players are, Bobby Zamora, David Bentley, Aiden McGeady, Robbie Keane, Alex Witsel, Michael Johnson, Micah Richards. Mon's no1 target is Bobby Zamora, but Fulham are employing a no in's & no's out policy just now. The Robbie Keane interest is just that incase a move for Zamora doesn't happen. David Bentley has been wanted by MON for the past two transfer windows so there is previous but spurs are waiting on a few replies before selling. Aiden McGeady, is the back up option and only that. Richards adds options to the backline especially at Rb. Johnson & Witsel are both highly wanted to replace Milner but Mon would settle Johnson (Even though he is still recovering) if he's allowed by City to move for Richards also. If not then it's Witsel to be bought and Richards in on a p/x from Cit.The players hoping to move on are, L.Young, Beye, Shorey, Sidwell, Reo–Coker.Ashley Young will be signing a new contract soon, And Gabby isn't going anywhere. |
leight
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... chrisodon... bobby zamora no1 target, FFS i hope this is a rumour i think bobby davro would be the better option IMO... |
Chiefy
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... I heard that West Ham have reduced there asking price for  |
Jinksy
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... His record and watching him play Chefy......Bull Fing s**te... Sorry but i don't believe a word of it....Sorry but i don't |
Chiefy
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... Zamora and Carlton Cole ?!?! can one of our Irish Villans please make there way to where the villa are playing and could you be so kind as to mug MON of the company debit card before he starts going nuts with it |
Elvis at Left Back
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... http://thetheatreofbasecomedy....ounce.html quite an interesting and somewhat unbiased view from a Citeh blog |
mon 4-5-1
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...MON, Is waiting for the Milner ordeal to end (Hence the announcement yesterday) But will not be accepting Steven Ireland in p/x, But is willing to receive Richards or Michael Johnson. Villa have also made tentative enquiries for several players as to there availability & if willing to move, No figures or prices asked just yet. The Players are, Bobby Zamora, David Bentley, Aiden McGeady, Robbie Keane, Alex Witsel, Michael Johnson, Micah Richards. Mon's no1 target is Bobby Zamora, but Fulham are employing a no in's & no's out policy just now. The Robbie Keane interest is just that incase a move for Zamora doesn't happen. David Bentley has been wanted by MON for the past two transfer windows so there is previous but spurs are waiting on a few replies before selling. Aiden McGeady, is the back up option and only that. Richards adds options to the backline especially at Rb. Johnson & Witsel are both highly wanted to replace Milner but Mon would settle Johnson Chrisodon - are you trying to depress us even further!! |
Villa_Chris
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...Chrisodon - are you trying to depress us even further!! Certainly dented my excitement |
david g
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... Oh no not Bobby "Row Z" Zamora again!! I'm off to get well and truly drunk; oblivion seems to be the only option at the moment!! |
Simeon
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... Chrisodon I've suspected that Zamora might be pretty high up on our wanted list for at least six months now. I don't think our manager is a huge fan of Carew, and I think he'd see Zamora as a like-for-like replacement. Personally, I think this would be a huge mistake because, as well as Zamora did last season, it was just one season. And even on the basis of this past season alone I'd say Zamora is an inferior player to Carew. A straight swap with Fulham of Care for Zamora would be stupid, but of course Fulham would be wanting a significant wedge as well, which just makes the whole idea ridiculous. On Michael Johnson, when he first came on to the scene, he looked a real player. But he has had injury problems for the last two years. In that time he's made 4 (four) appearances. All the signs are that the kid is a physical wreck. It may well be that his body can't cope with the rigours of modern football (although the suggestion is that he has hardly helped himself in this respect by enjoying life a little too much). I would be perfectly happy for us to take him on loan for a season, having agreed a fee to secure his signing permanently if things worked out. But until he's actually proven his fitness, forking out a transfer for him couldn't be justified. McGeady being a backup plan in case we can't get Bentley makes some sense, and I'd be far happier with Bentley than McGeady anyway. Our manager's interest in Bentley is well-documented, and should Milner be sold, he'd be a logical, if not inspired, replacement - although it remains to be seen whether he could effectively make the transition to central midfield, making it a risk to say the least. (Unlike some other Villa fans, I can't see either Downing or Young doing a job in the centre. You can't afford a lightweight in a 4-4-2.) On Richards, I can see it happenning, and it would be a disaster. The boy hasn't got a brain and I don't see him ever making a good defender. The only way signing Richards makes sense is if their is a plan to turn him into a defensive midfielder, but there's no guarantee this would be successful because learning a new position takes intelligence. In my view, Onuoha would be a far better option, although if you talk to City fans they'll tell you we'd be much better off with Richards. For obvious reasons. |
Simeon
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... One last point (for now at least!). If our manager sees Zamora as his forst choice, and Robbie Keane as his second, what on earth is he thinking? They are two completely different players. If this were true it would be proof positive that our manager doesn't know at this point how he wants the team to play next season. |
leight
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... mon needs to be looking down the road cos a player that would be perfect for us is kevin doyle, he is by far the best of the irish 'lot' that is been mentioned, he has prem experience and if you can remember at vp last season he played as lone striker and ran us all over the shop, he is young aswell would be a good buy even at 10-12 mil, and wage demands would be a lot less than robbie keane... |
leight
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... friedel warnock cuellar dunne ??????? petrov/ reo coker ??????? young downing doyle gabby just need RB + holding mid happy days |
Hadders7
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... Zamora and Carlton Cole....are things really that bad...I would rather keep Emule and he is proper pants! Cole was on loan with us under O'dreary remember and I think he managed a prolific 3 goals in 40 odd starts...Emule standards and Zamora has had one decent season but plenty of crap ones...we must be aiming higher than that surely??? |
DanWilson82
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... Really fed up with whats gone on today, I had no real hard feelings towards old James until he accused Mon of telling porkies, oh well, cash in and bring in some new faces. Good luck Jimmy, you WILL need it.  |
ak_27
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...On Richards, I can see it happenning, and it would be a disaster. The boy hasn't got a brain and I don't see him ever making a good defender. The reason we have Dunne right now is that Richards made him look so bad his last season at City. Onuoha is a far better player IMO. |
VTID
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... I understand how the pre-world cup conversation could have been both positive AND Milner intimating that he was open to leaving. I bet the positive was that Milner said he would consider a new contract from Villa while Milner would also consider a move away. Fast forward to post-world cup disappointment and Milner's agent tells the club that Milner has ruled out a contract extention so now that changes EVERYTHING for the club. That signals that the player is not invested in staying with the club even if he plays there for this season so now the club is looking to make money on him NOW rather than maybe lose money on him next season after he might have a sub-par season this year. So it went from "hopeful" for the club to "all hope lost" for the club and Milner and his agent swung the pendulum not the club. Well that's my story and I am sticking with it! |
kie mcgrath
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... sell him for £23mil + ireland. ireland has said he doesnt want to be at man s**tty, and a move to a club challenging at the same level would be ideal. he would walk straight into the villa team. we need a striker badly aswell, and with the extra millions from the 2nd team in manchester we could afford a decent 20+ a season scorer |
Simeon
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... ak_27 I'm sure there's alot of truth in that. A related point is that, in that same season, Onuoha looked very good, and that is another reason why City were happy to let Dunne go. Onuoha would be a good acquisition - although if he did sign, I have a funny feeling that Cuellar would still be right back. Would Onuoha swap one bench for another? Could we justify having a fifth right back on our books? |
ak_27
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...have a funny feeling that Cuellar would still be right back. Would Onuoha swap one bench for another? Could we justify having a fifth right back on our books? Not sure but I honestly (and i really mean this) can't stomach another season without and out and out right back playing in that position. |
Simeon
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... leight Doyle will be 27 in September. He's hardly an up-and-comer. He might be a decent enough player (and I agree that he'd be a better signing than Keane), but shouldn't we be looking at younger options that are within our range? Nathan Delfouneso for example... From what I gather, it would take a ridiculous sum of money for us to sign Doyle anyway. We have to be getting better value with our financial situation as tight as it is. |
Simeon
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... ak_27 I guess we better brace ourselves for some gastric fireworks on the Villablog in the coming months then |
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... gotta say i'd be happy with cash+Richards - could be a very good player if handled correctly...wouldnt be thrilled (and i imagine most wouldn't)if johnson move was also part of any deal...he must be like 7th/8th choice at City - doesnt set the pulse racing - a far better player would be Wistel/M.Bradley/Defour/Flamini and to take one for the future i would also make a move for Wigan's James McCarthy - very similar in style he could well be every bit as good as Milner in 1/2 seasons...i'd also like bentley to come in with a new striker...pls god not Zamora/Cole - would be a nitemare...keane would be good as i would only use one up front ina 4-2-3-1.. Freidel - Warnock, Dunne, Cuellar, Richards - Petrov/Delph, Witsel - Downing, Young, Bentley - Keane/Gabby with a bench including Collins, Carew, Fonz, Albrighton, McCarthy, Guzan, Davies |
proxopera
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...i would also make a move for Wigan's James McCarthy - very similar in style he could well be every bit as good as Milner in 1/2 seasons Good shout.Now we're starting to make sense. |
Chrisodon
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... I'd very much like McCarthy, i seen an awful lot of him for Accies, and have to say him & Delph could be a great midfield combo for Villa then City obviously. Also in reply to my previous post it depresses me to think of rowZamora but it did also seem to speak some truth like Bentley. But sorry for causing near suicide lol |
Chrisodon
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... Taglor i agree, i used to see Vassell every week outside at his relatives hairdressers, in the Alum Rock (It was on the Phelham across from Capitol Cinema if you know the place). But the guy was a glorified t**t who loved showing off his cash. The Moore brothers were another pair of t**ts. |
Trinity London
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... What a great comment from Sir Tony Morley "Man City are not a bigger Club than Villa" and "Hes a millionaire already, so why does he need more money" what an ungrateful little S**T Milner is, i think we all expected a bit better from him, still thats football, get him out, dont look back and lets do the double over them this season, UP THE VILLA. |
Andy
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... So as Milner has said he's never said to MON he wants to leave I take it you all ignore his side of things and just believe MON is right. MON has not even dared to come out and say that Milner had a conversation with him where he told him he actually wanted to leave. Really, ask yourselves why can't MON come out and actually say say Milner told him he wanted to leave. If you are honest with yourselves you can answer that question. But I suppose it;s easier to just put the blinkers on and direct your hatred to a player, because you think he had berayed our beloved Aston Villa. Just for a second let's just open our minds, look outside the box, so to speak and consider that MON may actually just be orchestrating a move here. Probably because he need the funds. It's not exactlt far fetched is it..! MON can obviously walk on water and most people just seem to be sucked in by him. Ask yourselves. Why would Milner even bother coming out and saying he did not request a move. He could have just laid low. If, as some think he's such a money grabber and does not give a toss about the fans, then why would he bother saying anything at all. |
DanWilson82
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...MON has not even dared to come out and say that Milner had a conversation with him where he told him he actually wanted to leave. Mons quotes yesterday, printed on the Official site said this? Am I missing something? |
Nanwasafan
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... Time for a new manager. If MON can't hold onto a player like Milner, which has always been his strength, then what DOES he have to offer us. Gutted. Absolutely gutted. The season holds no hope. |
DanWilson82
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... Just for the record Mon is certainly not walking on water with me, but he is generally straight talking and I don't see any reason why this would be made up. His whole reputation would be destroyed if what he said yesterday was crap to get the Milner money in. If it's proved false then then I'll hold my hands up but right now I trust the words of our manager over those of an un-named source in the paper. |
kohoutek
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... Chin up, Nan. I'm thinking the season might actually be showing a bit more promise if we take the money, and bring in a couple of the players we keep hearing about. |
Andy
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... Dan...I have read what he said..Go read it again. Where does he say that Milner 'actually' told him he wanted to leave...? I'd love MON to come out and actually say that Milner has actually 100% had a conversation with Milner where Milner has actually said he wants to leave. Come on MON, because I I've not heard it yet..! |
bobvillian
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... reading between the lines i have a nasty feeling we are going to end up with zamora or c cole.either on are overated;old and injury prone.and giving sullivan 10-14mill for cole would be a disgrace and hopefuly MON would resign over it.if he cant bring in suitable replacements with 22mill+ then he does not deserve to be villa manager?hopefully he can prove me wrong about him.tell you what m.johnson at man c would be a good shout p/x with milner.forget ireland he is to settled in manc land. |
DanWilson82
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...the player intimated he would like to leave I guess you can take that however you like, however the dictionary definition of intimate is - 'To make known subtly and indirectly' please don't think i'm trying to be a cocky knob quoting dictionary definitions because my use of the English Language is my no means perfect but Mon's an articulate guy and it seems obvious to me that at some point during discussions Milner or his agent (who is directed by Milner) have suggested that Milners wants to ply his trade else where. I actually think Mon could have been a lot harsher with his choice of words. |
Andy
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... Dan...To clarify these are MON's actual words used. "There is still a doubt really as to what is happening to James Milner," O'Neill said. "The state of affairs is really straightforward. James and his agent came to see us before the World Cup and intimated that they would like to go. "Then Manchester City made the offer which we told them about. There is a difference of valuation at this moment between the buying club and the selling club. Where does it actually say that Milner said he wanted to leave. If it were the case, how come MON and Milner said just before the WC started that they were set for talks to discuss Milners future AFTER the WC. So which one is it MON...? You spoke before the WC or you were going to speak after the WC...? Does he actually know...? You gotta admit something does not ring true with what MON is saying here. MON usually says it how it is. How come he's using wishy washy words such as intimated now..? I suppose some won't hear a word said against MON though. |
Andy
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... So then Dan...Being this great manager MON is supposed to be. Do you not think he would pick up the phone and say to Milner...'Hello James. How are you doing, having a good holiday...? By the way, you know that conversation we had before you went to South Africa...Well, it's just I need to know if I need to buy some players and if you are wanting to go I need to sort things. Can you tell me if you want to leave or sign a new contract...?' Now easy would that be for our great manager to do. It beggers belief that a manager does not have the gumption to be able to pick the phone up and talk to one of his players. Beggers belief...! |
Andy
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... Also MON said before the WC that the talks with Milner were positive for all parties. No mention at that point from MON that Milner said he 'intimated' he wanted to leave. So...If MON has not spoke with him, what's changed. You see, MON is obviously telling a lie here. Only one of the statements can be true, not both.....! You decide, but it does show that MON is now saying something different. |
DanWilson82
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... Its a bit pointless trying to go into it when we don't and may never know the facts. My guess would be that during the initial conversations Milner was advised not to make any snap decisions because it was obvious that offers would be coming in. I also guess that this indecision led to Mon using the 'intimated' word. At the same time i'm certain a new contract would have been on offer because Mon or whoever is in charge of contracts at Villa would be out on their ear if they readily let players contracts run down to a single year knowing how much thier prices would decrease that being the case (eg Gareth Berry 18 to 12 Million a 6 million loss) I agree that something smells of fish here, BIG TIME, but and a BIG but, there is no way I am going to believe that Milner gave good signals about sttaying with us for the coming year and that no contract was discussed whatsoever, like has been printed in the press today. To be honest there is no way we as fans can know any of the truth of this whatsoever so it's pointless arguing, but yes I will side with the manager until proven wrong, I'm a villa fan afterall and if and when Mon is proven to be a calous liar then I'll call for his head, until then, well i'll happily produce images of books with Milners face on the cover |
mickey86
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... anyone got any thoughts on sebastien frey? i know his agent has dismissed us but he is no longer first choice at fiorentina. id take him at villa, guzan isnt good enough and friedel is 40. thing that worries me about frey is that if he was good then arsene wenger would be after him. but id still like him at villa (if he got his hair cut) |
SCOTT1
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... agreed dan defo something fishy going on.if mon new milner wanted to go why wait till yesterday to talk to ssn? i could understand if milner was back training but hes still on holiday!i think mons had another meeting with lerner whos repeated theres no money and this is a knee jerk reaction that smells of desperation to me!if it goes tits up and mancini sets his sights on another player we are in the s**t |
mickey86
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... ideal starting 11 for net season with linked players -----------------Frey Richards - Cueller - Dunne - Warnock Young - Ireland - Flamini - Downing --------------Keane -------------------Carew |
Andy
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... That's all well and good Dan and I understand. You obviously know my thoughts on this matter. I feel MON, for whatever reason has pushed Milner into a corner, not only now, but before the WC started. I've worked a lot of my life on gathering evidence and facts and what people say and do and I'm putting this together in an unbiased investigative manner. I take your point it's kind-of pointless arguing about it, but in a way it is, because for those people that want Villa to hold onto their best players, we may now have seen one pushed out of the door because of the money they can get for him....! I never had a problem wit selling Milner for a huge sum, in fact I was one of those that's been saying sell him. What is worrying is that our manager now looks like he does not have any control or even talks to our players. Why does he keep falling out with players. Such as L Young, NRC and now Milner. Now that is not an indicator of good management in any business or organisation. |
McParland
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... Truth is we have been associated with so many players of late i have lost count but in actual fact thats all thats happened having actualy signed no one.Is MON actualy intending to purchase any decent additionsthis window?or is he stringing us along and on the final day inform us heskeys signed a new contract which will please me no end when i would actualy like to see Flamini ,or Hlieb even a robbie keen will get us some goals.I understand you have to be cautious but at least show you are actualy competing with other managers instead of conducting yourself as uif your playing a very mportant TOP TILT POKER GAME. |
kie mcgrath
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... martin oneill is probably busy doing other things, and im sure he would rather concentrate on them instead of holding press conferences every time a situation changes. people moan at the lack of transfer activity, and then complain about lack of press conferences. MON can only do one thing at a time and who cares that we dont have any transfers in yet, the season doesnt start for another 3 weeks, although it would be good for a player to get settled in before the seasons opening game, its not the end of the world. Most of MON targets will have played with some of the players at villa already, whether its for their country or a previous clubs. everyone needs to relax and stop calling for MON's head because he hasnt rushed everything. just think back to 5 years ago when we had david o'leary in charge. anybody want to go back to those days, didnt think so. |
Martin Laursen
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... mickey86, Frey is probably in the top 5 keepers in the world.He would be an absolutely top-notch signing,but he is by no means no longer first choice at Fiorentina. |
Elmo Grub
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... ‘James and his agent came to see us before the World Cup and intimated that they would like to go' 'James’s agent has also told our chief executive that he won’t be signing a new contract.' Important words quote one 'James and his agent intimated'. Important words quote two 'James's agent told'. Subtle differences but important ones. Is Milner's agent a recent aquisition? According to a Guardian article in Feb2010 he didn't have one. Someone might want a fat commission and is poo stiring deliberately because all this recent behaviour is very out of character for Milner. Anywho. Always rated Milner from the first time he pulled on a Villa shirt on loan to us. He'll get better too. That said.. doubling your money in a few years and 24mil in the pocket makes good business sense.... Sell, sell, sell, sell - sellity-sell, selll, sell, sell. |
rocky5
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...Andy said:old bill alert |
MoodyVilla
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... If he goes, we'll replace him with three players, one of which will probably go on to be class and the other two will be s**t and the good one will cover the cost of the other two in transfer fees. If he stays we keep a great young talent. Win win. |
Tonebone
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... Andy, Completely agree with you. Its lauaghable how everyone is defendign Mon And criticising Milner. Its clear Mon is spinning this to get the move through and raise cash. If you look back on qoutes over the summer there is no getting away from the fact that MON has lied at some point to the press and us fans. there is certainly no proof that milner has but for MOn therwe is no excuse - its there fro all to see!! |
Bosnich13
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... i dont think for a second that Frey is among the top 5 in the world...martin laursen gimme some of that icky-sticky green you're smoking i could name 5 better keepers in the premier league alone |
Mellon
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... Milner was probably our best player over the last season having moved in-field but he isn't world class! He wants to go and he is embarrassed that everyone knows he wants to go!! Fabregas and Gerrard are being talked about for £30m, Milner isn't worth anything like this. If Man Utd were in for him and Man City didn't exist we would be looking for circa £16m ish, and he'd still want to leave. Don't blame him for wanting to double his salary or play with better players!! Be angry that he has messed and misled us all. Lets be glad it's Man City rather than Liverpool or Man Utd and move on now. £25m+ provides us with an exciting opportunity and it's no shame losing a player to Man City these days, ask Arsenal and Man Utd... |
frem
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... it is worrying at the moment. reports are saying we will let young go to fulham. Why ? if we dont get ireland as part of the milner deal we are in trouble because we have no quality in our midfield then. oneill said he want mgeady basicly. ok he might be ok but he cant be the replacement for milner. we just have to hope that dunne coming out and saying he would love keane, mgeady and ireland at villa has a bit more depth in it. witsel or flamini would be nice to give petrov a rest sometimes |
Nanwasafan
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... No sarcasm this time, I'm afraid. We needed Milner. I took it for granted that once MON had nurtured a player that was HIS player, then that player would play for MON until told not to. I cannot believe for one minute that MON has decided he doesn't need him. Therefore, I am totally serious in saying that I cannot see what MON has left to offer. I thought he gave us security of young talent. It appears he does not. Time for change. |
Clarkamus
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... frem you are a flid, its luke young there on about do you believe that ASHLEY young would go to fulham or that they would have enough dosh to pay for him? evryday i see a name mentioned in the paper or on here and you seem to believe every word of all speculation as gods honest truth, come on man sort it out!!!!! |
bass
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... Villa once again prove we are a feeder club to the big boys! yet another player decides to move on and play at a 'bigger' club with more chances to win the top trophies! we need to face facts again we haven't got the main players saying i want to play for aston villa and they cant all be wrong! so what are we doing wrong? we are just the also rans and we will not win anything this year, we will not finish above 7th and Martin o'neill will not be our manager this time next year! mark my words the rest are moving forward as we stand still yet again! |
Tonebone
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... Ransy please sack Mon now and give a new manager a few weeks to make soem signings!! The clown has to go!! |
KrisAVFC
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...... Completely disagree!!!! Sack him and we wont finish in the top half next season, Since MON has come to the club, consecutive 6th place finishes, 1 cup final another wembley appearance. A player bought for 12 million and sold for potention 25M+, potential to of breaking top four (admitadly we do need to sign a few players for this to happen) Has he give us reason to doubt him before??? He'll sign players in his own time, but speaking as a fan i hope its bluddy soon. |
thebiggestvillafanever!!!!!!!!
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... what up home boys fellow worshipers this is what i think we should do shut your whiney bitch asses up and have faith in our manager he will know what to do sacking him isnt gunna help in fact it destroy us we will come through in the end as our villa bond will come together and be stronger then ever... rock on... tonebone: who would you rather be manager phill brown danwilson82 your a legend man anyway i bid you farwell and leave you with some advise ahem DONT STOP BELIEVING HOLD ON TO YOUR DREAMS WOOAAAAH OHHHHHH peaceout !  |
Andy
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... KrisAVFC wrote... Has he (MON) give us reason to doubt him before??? Is this a serious question..? Surely you don't actually believe that MON has done no wrong in 4 years..? I could think of quite a few good reasons to doubt him off the top of my head, but they have been dicussed to death over the last 2/3 years and I very much doubt you'd hear a word said against MON anyway, so why should I bother...! |
Smyth1990
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... KrisAVFC said Sack him and we wont finish in the top half next season, Since MON has come to the club, consecutive 6th place finishes, 1 cup final another wembley appearance. A player bought for 12 million and sold for potention 25M+, potential to of breaking top four (admitadly we do need to sign a few players for this to happen) Has he give us reason to doubt him before??? He'll sign players in his own time, but speaking as a fan i hope its bluddy soon. Wat he said |
kohoutek
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... Nan...I hear what you're saying, but I think the money City have injected into proceedings has more to do with this than anything. MON can't change the fact that City are either bidding for or buying anyone they can, with money no object. As others are reading between the lines in MON's statements and Milner's reaction, my feeling is that it's not so much a case of not being able to hold onto the player as it is MON saying, Right, you didn't want to pledge your future after the first team came knocking, and with what I've done for you, you can feck off. I think after the Barry saga, he's realized it's probably better to take the ridiculous money and be done with it all, as we'd likely lose him next year for much less. Villa's funds may have a lot or a little to do with it, too, and he may very well be thinking, If his head's been turned, then I can strengthen and come out ahead of where we would've been. |
kohoutek
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... I'd also say, since MON was very tight-lipped about the NRC bust-up, etc., that I doubt he's lying. He didn't seem to be lying during the Barry saga. Don't think he is now. It could simply be that he and the chief executive read Milner the wrong way, and in listening to an agent, like Barry, Milner may have unintentionally sent signals that seemed clearer to MON than they did to Milner. |
Martin Laursen
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... Bosnich13, Given is the only keeper in the league who is in the same class as Frey imo.As well as this,he is only reaching his peak at 30.Also I wouldn't bet against him leaving due to the terrible season Fiorentina have just had and given the fact that they have signed Boruc. |
Clarkamus
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... in·ti·mat·ed 1. To make known subtly and indirectly; hint. the question is did his agent say that he would not be signing a new contract? the answer to whos telling the truth lies within that statment, im sure he will go and was as soon as he didnt say at the end of season he was happy at villa instead saying he wanted to win trophys etc and to me that again intimates that he wanted to go wihout really saying it, obviously he just wants to play football and not be a villian (no pun intended) which is fair enough i suposes but lets just get it done quickly now as im sure it will be, good luck milner thanks for a great couple of seasons its a real shame you couldnt stay but with the money and players we will get from the sale i can only see us getting stronger as a team anyway so everyones a winner xxxxx |
TheDiamond
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... Strange rumour about Heskey going to Blackburn http://astonvilla-views.com/20...rn-for-2m/ |
KrisAVFC
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...but they have been dicussed to death over the last 2/3 years and I very much doubt you'd hear a word said against MON anyway, so why should I bother...! smilies/cry.gif No i agree he does have his faults and there has been times when i've been very dissapointed in him, Sighning Heskey and not finishing in the top four when it seemed a given. But i think he has had more good times with the club than bad times. His pros certainly out weigh his cons |
Luckynumber7
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... some people will never be happy and will always blame the gaffer... that's life. I can't spend the time searching for quotes and posts, but what I can assure you is that the same people who are moaning now, will be moaning in 10 years when we have a different gaffer. It's simply a way of life for some people Let's get this business done, sort the team out, and get on with it.I personally can't wait, and as with every season I'm looking forward to getting back to Villa Park... also quite keen to get High Def sky coverage.... it's hapopy days. |
frosty
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... The only person who's f**ked up is Milners agent, just as Barrys did. Clarkamus I think thats probably the most realistic evaluation yet. |
frosty
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... And whilst we're doing definitions of words from the English dictionary try this one.. sup·port /səˈpɔrt, -ˈpoʊrt/ Show Spelled[suh-pawrt, -pohrt] Show IPA –verb (used with object) . to sustain or withstand (weight, pressure, strain, etc.) without giving way; serve as a prop for. |
rocky5
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walshy
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... chiefy Dam0 - Defour, Witsel, Bouaffaa or Sennsong (who is being offered out at 8million) ?? do any of these hold a british passport? if not MON will not be signing them haha |
AV4EVER
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... I would like to see us sign Keane and S Ireland, the last time we had a good base of Irish players (McGrath, Houghton, Staunton and Townsend) were in my eyes the best and most exciting times as a Villa fan. |
AussieLion
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... The Milner thing also seems a bit fishy to me. They first said the interview was positive and MON and Lerner siad they both wanted to and were confident of keeping him. But now MON has said Milner wants to leave. But if this was true why would Milner be so angry at MON? If it was true then there'd be no reason for him to be angry, players are bought and sold which is a natural part of soccer or any sport so no one would really feel too bad against him. But now Milner says he is angry at MON becuase he thinks the Villa fans will have turned against him. Surely if he was going to leave, he wouldnt care too much about what the fans think. Ive got a feeling that MON siad that to speed up the transfer and get some money in, as well as to move Milner further away from us. Now I dont mind that he is leaving, 25-30m is great money and Im very happy with it, my only problem is that Milner might not possibly have wanted to have leave but that he might feel like he has to. I think taht MON really wants/needs the money because he will not get any sizeable sum from the deadwood due to their wages scaring other clubs off. In regards to the money im also worried about what MON will do with it. That list of players that Christodon showed was truly bad and if that is what MON is looking at it shows that the club clearly has no ambition. To some good news I read that Blackburn are going to make a 2m offer from a Premier League striker and then the next day (today) read that they want Heskey. Hopefully it happens! |
VillaNick
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...... It is fishy, you're right. I think Milner thought the sale would go through quickly as Man City have more money than sense! As it stands Milner is backtracking incase he has to stay another season and go through what Barry did 2 years ago. |
TheDiamond
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...do any of these hold a british passport? if not MON will not be signing them haha Stupid post. Brad Friedel, Brad Guzan, Richard Dunne, Carlos Quellar. Stillyan Petrov, Habib Beye. |
VillaNick
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... Heskey to Blackburn would be the best bit of business MON will do this summer, if true. As for Young to Spurs, he's a lifelong Arsenal fan so it looks unlikey anyway. Sloppy journalism from the Anti-Villa cockney press again! |
TheDiamond
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... Just looking at O'Neill's history in the Summer transfer Window. In 2008 he signed Davies on July 3rd, Sidwell on the 10th and Friedel on the 26th. he signed Shorey and young early in August but didn't make his big signings that year (Cuellar and Milner) until August 23th and August 29th respectively. In 2009 he made one signing in July. (Downing) on the 16th and bought Delph and Beye early in August. He bought Warnock, Collns and Dunne between August 27th and September 1st. Even by O'Neill's standards he's leaving things very late this year. It's not intentional. |
VillaNick
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...Even by O'Neill's standards he's leaving things very late this year. It's not intentional. I think he's just waiting to see what happens with Milner before buying anyone! It's doing my head in now! |
TheDiamond
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... I'm not sure he is waiting though. I think he's made several attempts to sign midfielders and has probably made an offer for Robbie Keane. |
FatKevs
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... Andy Comment 92 congratulations someone that can see through the PR. Yes James would be mad not to want to go to a club with ambition or one that is run with a desire to succeed. Lets not chastise another player that actually performed for the club & praise & wish well the likes of s**twell. |
True Villan
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... really not bothered about milner going, very good engine and will give everything, unfortunately, everything from him is mostly average! hope to god the rumours about cash only are not true, man city have some excellent players who would do a job for us, one example is joe hart,there is no way he will want to play second fiddle this coming season to given, so why dont we unsettle one of their players and state we want him, he may be interested and see if city like to have players tapped up! like everyone, im just concerned about how MON will spend, we need flair, he likes work horses, and this is why they burn out around march every year, unable to let the ball do the work! we need to take an example from liverpool, there was a lot of unrest around their squad, but a big signing of cole has sent out a statement of intent, and settled the boat, we need to do the same |
Andy M
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... Personally I think keeping a player who doesn't want to stay is like flogging a dead horse. £30m is definitely an over valuation of Milner and like the post said he's not irreplaceable. Someone like Stephen Ireland who I highly rate could do the same job Milner can. Milner has only really flourished this past season. I remember the season before Ashley Young was a far better player, but it seems there roles reversed last season. Personally I think we should sell Milner with £12 plus Stephen Ireland. Use the £12m on a new striker, and the money we get from selling sidders, reo coker etc be used for a new defender. In regards to Martin O'Neil being sacked. Martin O'Neil is the best manager we've had at the club for decades. He's been a victim of his own success to be fair. There's not more he can do without millions in his pocket. But this club was an absolute mess when he came in and Villa were a joke and I think Villa fans are more than guilty of expecting too much at times. |
McParland
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... Has he gone yet? after so much talk i hope so then MON will have some serious cash to spendon 2or3 decent players.Providing they have not been snapped up by other teams getting in first.LOL |
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