Tuesday, 07 February 2012 09:51
Well, the dust has settled and it turns out Stephen Ireland didn't get subbed for telling the manager something he shouldn't and there is no unrest in the dressing room. We know this because of all people, Stilyan Petrov, has come out defending him.
So, if the captain comes out defending him, it has to be true. It doesn't matter that Stephen Ireland told him twice to do one and that Charles N'Zogbia sadly admitted that he was unhappy playing football, for the first time in his career, under this manager. There is nothing wrong and the players are happy.
But just because the players are happy, doesn't mean all is good. Could it be that Petrov is just happy picking up his money, saying all the right things, hoping for a new contract? I know that is a very cynical way to look at things, but they are naturally going to be happier after Houllier.
Houllier had them training in the afternoon. Houllier had a much stricter regime and Houllier quickly identified the players that were not going to cut it at Aston Villa and was working on getting them out and new players coming in.
If my work load was cut in half, I'd be much happier too and I'd say all the right things supporting the man that made my life easier. The thing is, it isn't supposed to be easy. Actions and all that.
But you know what, the saddest thing about all of this isn't that we are stuck with a third rate manager (I'd class him second rate if he had a record of keeping teams in the Premier League) or the football is hard to watch, it's that the people at the club seem to accept that this is okay.
Aston Villa news in sixty seconds
So, leaving what didn't happen behind, we go to a quick fire few paragraphs and we start with the news that the Macron news is confirmed and this is good news. The deal with Nike was never anything special - it really wasn't people - but now we do have something that is special and talk is you'll be able to buy the shirt in June!
There is talk of a protest coming up and I know this will fall on deaf ears, but don't get involved. Instead, just don't go. That is the easiest way and the biggest form of protest. The easiest and most effective way to protest is to not turn up and leave the seat empty. They can only give away so many free tickets.
And that is it I think for news, unless I dig out something about a programme award or Valentines Day dinner at the club and I'm not going to.
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@lewjt
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... N'Zogbia isn't unhappy because of the manager. He is unhappy because of the abuse he is getting from avfc 'fans' |
villatone
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... He looked happy enough when he scored his first goal last Wednesday so what has gone wrong since then Charlie boy?? |
Return of Rowley
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... His twitter post came after an away game when the villa fans had been excellent as always. He posted his comment after being subbed for an overrated, past-it, striker-cum-left-winger. He knows McLeish isn't playing to his strengths. That is why he is unhappy. Moron |
Balabans booots
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... can't read too much into the behaviour of N'Zogbia and Ireland. Look at their histories. Two of the the most self centred and spoilt individuals in the game. very good players on their day though. Sometimes you need to be a bit of an idiot to be a a good player. See Gazza, Best and Maradona. Not in the same class obviously. But i think you see the underlying principle......  |
davidc
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... N'Zog and Ireland are not the #1 worries. The 'leaders' in the dressing room - the Warnocks, the Dunnes, the Collins' need resolving first. Then the 'luxury' players like N'Zog and Ireland will knuckle down accordingly. Good article in the Mail about it this morning. Sums it up perfectly if you ask me. |
Harleystaggers
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... First time I have seen Mat Kendrick actually get off the fence. Finally starting to address the issues at the club... I hope he's wrong about the club being resolute about seeing out the 3 years with mcleish.. jerciful maysus.. |
ou812
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... McKendrick in the mail saying that Villa are determined to let ECK see through his 3 yr deal! Determined? Sounds to me they would rather back him than lose face & admit the error of thier appiontment.  We need to get rid of Collins Hutton (ECK wont get rid though) Warnock Heskey Petrov id keep for next season (good for 60mins or last 30 if winning) Give Carlos a new deal. Again id keep Dunne for next season as he can still do a good job with Carlos beside him & decent FBs. I shudder to think what ECK will bring in. And for everyone saying Stevens should come in, ECK has said he is 3rd or 4th choice. Not much chance of seeing him then! All is not good & do not have the faith that ECK can bring in the quality to improve us. The only thing about the last few games is the flashes that the team have shown that they can play good attacking football on the deck has shifted my apathy that ECK had instilled & given me some fire again but time & again ECK just puts it out...  |
bobvillian
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... Tell me where we will get to 40points with the fixtures left going to be squeaky bum time i think!! |
Oscars Arse
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... If Warnock Dunne and Collins are the leaders in the dressing room no wonder we're in a mess. Dunne is a liability as is Warnock and Collins ain't good enough. Big money needs spending on the defence in the close season. As for protesting it just ain't worth it just stay away watch it on the tv if you can at least you can turn it off. |
Agrotis
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... Petrov saying everything is fine, is actually proof that it is not. Otherwise, why would he be saying it so soon after the reports of himself and others disagreeing with the manager. Sometimes, i think Randy has hired that Iraqi information officer. Wish they would all just piss off out of my club. Randy, his piss poor lackey, and the manager, along with Dunne and his disciples. |
Agrotis
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...Tell me where we will get to 40points with the fixtures left going to be squeaky bum time i think!! Apparently, according to some, everything is fine, and the squad will soon be turning one win in four into a ratio of two or three, with some real barcelona style attacking football. Yeah, right.... |
Agrotis
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...McKendrick in the mail saying that Villa are determined to let ECK see through his 3 yr deal! Determined? Sounds to me they would rather back him than lose face & admit the error of thier appiontment If true, then we need to be aiming for Faulkner rather than the manager. The fat s**t is Randies gimp, so lets go after him. |
Agrotis
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... Also, thinking on it. Keeping hold of the useless manager, can only mean two years more of cost cutting, afterall, thats the only reason they hired him. Very worrying if true, and a wake up call to all the Randy lickers. |
geordie shaggy
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... Just having a look some comments for the game on sunday like but gotta say deserved a point after the first half. With N'zogbia dont expect him there long his ego is massive.. What ya'll think the new boy Cisse!  |
Misterp
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... Well let's all hope all the talk of a possible QIA takeover is true. I heard whispers down at villa park during the qpr when sitting in amongst the players families. I know some will say that I'm living in cloud cuckoo land but one can live In hope. It makes supporting villa that little bit easier. It's a commercial descision that randy et al must make get rid of mcclown admit they were wrong, cut their losses with the dross that remains and start again with the solid base that is the kids. |
John Salter
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... Storm in a tea cup? You can understand managers getting frustrated and players, the big thing is to have a blow out and move and behave like adults. Maybe this is what Petrov is referring too? The important thing is to play good football like we did against the Magpies. There's little doubt they're on the up while Villa have this manager and owner and we're going backwards. I know Newcastle had some key players missing on Sunday but they've still got quality throughout their squad but our lads gave them a game and although I'm bias I think we were unlucky not to come away with anything. There have been signs in certain games that we can improve and even play well it's building on that and being consistent. Cuellar, Clarke and Stevens replacing some of our defenders will help for a start. |
avfc 12345
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... what do we do when keane goes back to la galaxy been as he has set up the goals or scored them |
.vogra
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... I sometimes think the best thing that can happen to this club is us getting relegated, we can get rid of the dross we have at the club, start again and clear the ship from top to bottom becasue at the moment this is going to happen next season as well. |
.vogra
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... This is scandalous HABIB Beye’s contract has been cancelled by mutual consent, bringing to an end the forgotten full-back’s expensive misadventure at Villa. Beye’s two-and-a-half year spell has cost the claret and blues just under £9 million in fee and wages for just 15 starts and three subs appearances. Martin O’Neill signed Beye from Newcastle in August 2009 but neither he nor Gerard Houllier and Alex McLeish played the right-back regularly. Villa have grudgingly agreed to pay up his reported £42,000 per week contract until it expires in the summer, to end a frustrating and costly chapter. Are you for fcuking real, 9million in wages and fee for just two years for 15 games...disgraceful, he will go down in history as one of the biggest flops ever |
Pazzler
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... things are s**t but they will get better. i think our youngsters have a promising future. |
taglor
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... yeah pazzler, it's always easy to predict good things in the furure. I'm sure Villa will win the prem at some point in the future, it may be 1000 years or 2000 but it's always good in the future. Forget now. Good to see AMc is a totally stubborn manager that would rather us lose than be proven wrong as he is going to continue to play Warcock. http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2012/02/07/mcleish-to-stick-with-stephen-warnock/ |
windofchange
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... For me only Gary Gardner has the look of a quality player the rest simply dont look good enough for this level (as yet). |
bobvillian
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... Vogra"" I agree with you about us going down could be a blessing;to get rid of over-payed;overated players and start from stratch.But this would only work with a different manager.I have posted on these blogs for the last 6-8weeks saying we would go down with the scum replacing us and i can really see this is going to happen.It would be a sad day but it has all been self-inflicted to a degree.We are a team in decline which now needs a new direction to progress and if it means going down and rebuilding from more solid foundations than so be it.This team is simply not good enough but we do have a lot of good young players who need a good manager to guide them to better things;sadly our muppet of a manager is not that type of guy who gives them the platform to perform there talent.I do hope we stop up but as long as this muppet stays here we will not progress. |
Damian
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... The-Lynx-Can the most effective way to test that would be to try and login but i can tell you that you are, but you are also not logged in |
VillaMike-Redux
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... Damian. I just registered for auto posting. I also reviewed my posts from the last thread and did not find anything that broke the "comment policy" and would have caused my IP address to be redirected to the Muppet Movie website (which is kind of hypocritical in itself). I was also called a "Muppet" and a "Dunce" and see those posters are still allowed to contribute. At worst you may have taken issue with me saying you were being "insufferable" but I've seen much worse on this site and would think my perspective and comments are just as warranted as anyone else's. Per my posts/requests that you chose not to post after redirecting my IP, please either reinstate my ability to post or show me where I broke policy, and how it is different from others in that thread (and what FatKevs has posted in the past, sometimes in my direction). Regards. Mike |
cypriotvilla
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... Mcleish, Do the job your paid to do,sort the team out,including the excuse you have for a defence. if you can't sort this mess out goodbye,and give it to someone who can. |
VillaMike
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... Yup. It was the coffee. Anyhoo... I know some of you aren't fans of Kendrick but I think his column is spot on today. http://www.birminghammail.net/...-30279527/ I'm also in agreement that protesting at this point in the season is fruitless and just reflects poorly on the club and fanbase in general. The media coverage will probably prove that. I agree with Damian. A real protest is withholding your funds from the club by not attending matches, etc. But I still maintain that if you do attend, you should support the squad for the full 90 minutes b/c it's proven to give them a lift and confidence burst in past matches. They'll tell you that themselves. |
ou812
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... Faulkner reminds me of the borg in star trek RESISTENCE IS FUTILE I prefer Khan Noonien Singh from The wrath of Khan...whats his speech... I task them, I task them, and I shall covert them! They will Hoof it round the field of Villa Park, and round the Emirtaes Stadium, and round all grounds across the country before I give hoofball up! Prepare to HOOF! |
cypriotvilla
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... hOW ABOUT lICHAJ REPLACING wARNOCK A fascinating tactical switch, with full-backs Lichaj and Enda Stevens swapping flanks, paid dividends for Villa. USA international Lichaj cut in from the left and struck a fierce effort which Somogyi brilliantly tipped over. |
cypriotvilla
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... My team 1, Given 2, Herd 3. Lichaj 4, Dunne 5, Clark 6, Petrov 7, N'Zogbia 8, Agbonlahor 9, Bent 10,Keane/Ireland 11 Albrighton |
cypriotvilla
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... Sokratis Papastathopoulos would be an ideal replacement,currently on loan to Werder Bremen,excellent defender/sweeper.Fast tall,can head the ball,and can pass.Also good man marker,marked Messi out of the game when Greece played Argentina in the World cup. And he would only cost 5 million,wages will not be a problem |
cypriotvilla
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... Manolas another good Greek player,Everton will sign for 500,000,they also signed Velios,who Houllier was gonna sign for 1 million,good young striker 3 goals in 4 games. |
windofchange
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... Collymore on TalkSh*te saying how McLeish would come good and that the fans should be patient and that he has had a chat with Alex over the last couple of days to reassure him. |
villamark
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... The only money i would like to see mcleish have would be for a taxi out of my villa park,until this happens you will never see me down the villa.I even refuse the free ones i get offered. |
TrueVillan
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... I have been saying this for months, they are a lazy bunch of b*****ds, all millionaires, who could not give a s**t! they just want to wrap up training and get onto the golf course and the home to the Wag to give her a good seeing to! now dont get me wrong, who wouldn't do that! but its up to the manager to ensure they take the job, that gives them these lives, seriously! I, along with the rest of you, pay the wages of these losers, and I expect a lot more for my money! |
cypriotvilla
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... Collymore,you have more money than we can imagine,you can afford to watch the s**t on show.I earn my money,many fans do,and many do not have your riches,and i for one will not waste my hard earned money on s**t served up by our so called super stars and manager on inflated wages. |
gmjvilla
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... Good to read the Mail and Kendrick serving up what most of us knew already... The manager is out of his depth and the so called senior players are letting the side down. Sorry to say but unhappy fans, players and local press equals a struggling end of season. The run in won't be for the feint hearted but like I said before... I'm mentally prepared for relegation so anything more will be a bonus. |
ChrisE
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... Can the mail not arrange an interview with Lerner or Faulkener and ask relevant questions with number one being " Would you sell to the right buyer ?". The response may help alert potential buyers and also lift the gloom . Where there.s light there,s hope ? |
Agrotis
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... This may be nothing, but Faulkner and Lerner are reportedly in Paris, possibly meeting Qatari representatives... From a reliable source on another site. |
Eddieav
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... We might like the manager but I said along time ago on this blog that we have some players who are trouble. while we have them it doesn't matter what manager we have. I don't think Mancini would boot out players who were good we got the crap from man city the ones who won't change who are disruptive. look what they did to houllier and if they know the fans dislike the manager they get away with even more because he gets the blame I am not Alex mcleish's greatest fan but I don't think I would want to deal with some of the gits we have playing for us |
monkeyman
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... Must admit agree with kendrick piece about the three s**t stirring bitches dunne collins and warnock. i will be a happy villian the day they leave and go with heskey as well. if these four are here next season i wont go to vp. AM is a muppet who is s**t scared of dunne collins just like oneil was and i bet any money heskey starts against man city, and if he doesnt bet he gets a chance of bench before bannan. if u want me to make every villa fan happy start with bannan and gardner ,id even love to see stevens he really cant do any worse than warnock. |
Raz
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... Lerner and Faulkner in Paris can mean only a couple of things, early holiday break or desperation in trying to get houllier back |
VillaManCan
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... Looking at BBC's new league position tracker, its worrying to note that since mid September he have slowly been sliding down the table toward the bottom 3. For me, after Man City, the next month and a half or so is crucial. We need to get above and beyond the 40 point mark or were in serious trouble. |
Len
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... Dunn and Collins are obviously in charge of the dressing and I think that our manager is to friendly with the players,Benty this,Stevie that,they need a kick up the backside.Why isn't Baker played at left back? He can't be worse than Warnock and would want to prove himself to keep his place,and Bent misses so many chances,we need a striker who has got more to his game,we should have gone for Ba. I think we will just about stay up and next season we season ticket holders should not renew,Lerner inherited his wealth and won,t want to loose it as he obviously hasn't got the knowledge to build his own fortune(going by the way he runs his sports clubs),he will have to sit up and take notice.I don't think season ticket holders will leave seats empty on this seasons games as we have already paid,mind you the way games are going it is tempting to stay away,at least we would save on car park,fuel and other sundries. Next season I will be off to watch Kidderminster Harriers a bit more,the Chairman,Manager,players and staff seem to appreciate the support and fans a bit more. |
DeadTeamWalking
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... Lmao got to love these deluded people who think Lerner & f**kup are in paris to sell the club Some of you lot would believe green is orange if it said reliable source in the headline |
VillaManCan
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...Lerner and Faulkner in Paris can mean only a couple of things, early holiday break or desperation in trying to get houllier back OR, they are meeting with the owners of Paris-Saint German who happen to be QIA!? |
Agrotis
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...,id even love to see stevens he really cant do any worse than warnock I think its really to early for Enda. This league is very physical, and he needs to get up to speed with it. We really are looking at next term for him, if at all. Whats happened to Baker? The few times he played left back last term, he looked really promising. If hes fit, then i would certainly put him ahead of both Warnock and Stevens. Would prefer Licaj at right back over Herd, since hes the better defender. |
Agrotis
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...OR, they are meeting with the owners of Paris-Saint German who happen to be QIA!? The gimp never travels with Randy, unless its football related. QIA or new manager.....take your pick. |
Agrotis
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... quote]Lmao got to love these deluded people who think Lerner & f**kup are in paris to sell the club Some of you lot would believe green is orange if it said reliable source in the headline Probably. But why would a middle eastern Prince be having a guided tour of Bodymoor heath tomorrow? |
divine_islet
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...vogra said: And who do we have to blame for that?That's the piece of bespectacled s**t at Sunderland.I can't wait to see how he turns them into Villa,and by that i mean signing rubbish at a high price,on high wages and on long-term contracts,then not playing them.Money plays a immense part in footballing success these days,and we are no longer able to compete with the Spurs of this world due to that son of a bitch squandering Randy's millions on s**t. |
nix2
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... From viewing on the twittersphere regarding a protest it seems the villa fans have let a bluenose and asset stripper divide the fans. Its time for the fans to unite. A true protest would be to not go at all, then the world would call us f****e. The protest will take place before the game, then the fans will support the players. You can't have it both ways. You can't support the players whilst not being in the ground. So I suggest as fans we unite. If your not at the protest you're not at the ground. If you're in the ground then you are clearly happy to watch dull football from a dull manager who is putting us on a pedestal for relegation! |
John Salter
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... Finally there's a protest on Sunday 3pm at the statue, the beginning of the end??? |
bobvillian
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... Give it a rest about this so called trip to paris;more important the team now gets it act together and starts winning football games.It aint going to be easy with the muppet in charge and with the protest meeting planned for sunday and with some overpayed prim-donnas playing there face;there is trouble behind the scenes with in-fighting so all in all we are a team in turmoil which could all end in one thing RELEGATION!! |
Damian
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... This so called protest is a massive mistake and it can only serve to strengthen the club. What happens if 50 people turn up? What happens if 5,000 turn up? Even 10,000? They are all going to go in and spend their money and the club win. The only way to protest against a man only interested in the money is to not give him any. The only way to protest against the club now is to not turn up. And I cant see that ever happening .. |
ou812
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... People have a right to protest if they wish but I hope it is a peaceful protest & not just a bunch of idiots that turn up ( If many turn up at all). Its all you can see on newsnow & the papers have picked up on it so you can assume SSN will there on Sunday to report it. God, I can just see it now.... -----BREAKING NEWS------- 20 turn out to protest against McLeish although 30+ thousand watch the game. I agree the only way to to force this issue is to not go or buy things Villa. Its killing me at the moment as I want to but my son lots of Villa stuf via the website, deck his room in claret & blue but I cant at the moment. I dont think we have heard the last of the NZogbia issue either or Ireland for that matter. It will be interesting if they play against City. Im dreading Collins getting fit cos I can see him strolling back into the team at Carlos's expense. |
John Salter
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... Damain - I for one will not be going in and spending any more of my cash, as I haven't since this disaster began. Mr Lerner has appointed two idiots as managers since MON left, one who was too ill, too old and too out of date and who had Liverpoop tattoo'd on his backside and another who's record was/is so bad he got his last club relegated twice. The fact he came from BCFC is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned because I'd take Chris Hughton any day of the week but to pay BCFC millions in compensation was an utter disgrace. Having said that, Mr Lerner also betrayed the supporters by arrogantly appointing AMc despite the views of the fans, 10,000 of who are still staying away from home games although the sheep will turn up for the bigger ones. I agree the only way to hurt Lerner is to hit him in the pocket, so although my contribution over a year would probably be only hundreds of pounds, which to me is a lot, he's not going to be getting it until I see real long term ambition. Supporting Villa over the decades was normally more highs than lows even when we weren't winning anything but at least we played good attacking or counter attacking football and on our day could beat anyone but these days it's more depressing and it's Lerners fault through sheer arrogance. Something has to be done to change things and I applaud fully those who are trying to do something positive to improve things and in my opinion they should protest and then go home but that's up to them! What would hurt Lerner most is season ticket holders not renewing next season. Personally I can't see why anyone would but again it's personal choice. |
Return of Rowley
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... The whole protest thing will either be fantastic or dreadfully embarrassing. I just can't see enough people staying outside to protest. You know the sort of people that go to home games, the majority will be there like nodding dogs and clapping seals. I'm not even sure what I'm going to do, I'm guessing it's going to be a bit of an impulsive decision! It could be a disaster, but at least we, as disgruntled supporters, are getting some national media coverage. On another note, McLeish has said that N'Zogbia's best performances have come when he works hard, so he's basically calling him a shirker. No great surprise about the observation but is it really the way to get your biggest signing playing well? To publically have a dig at him. It's small minded, keep it in-house McLeish. |
davidc
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...The only way to protest against the club now is to not turn up. Nope. Thats the easy way. Not to turn up. To go shopping with the missus instead. Or pop to the pub for a couple of hours. Nice 'n' easy. |
swissvill11
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... please go to the protest on sunday. and after we go home. not in the stadium.....okay? |
deano scores
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... The protest does seem to be getting out there - the FB page (we want AML out or whatever it is) is banging on about it (maybe they're behind it?). Everyone is right that not to go to the games is the ultimate protest but I choose to go because I love going to the Villa on match day. Just because Billy McNeil II is in charge I dont see why I should miss out. The reason why this protest is a reasonable idea is because its before the match and most supporters would agree that booing your own team or club during a match wont make them play better and in fact will have the opposite effect. In that sense I think people may get involved plus it will be a bigger crowd and nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd. Am I the only one who doesn't want the QIA to buy into Villa? I'd rather not win anything ever again than take money from the investment arm of a country constantly on Amnesty Internationals watch list. Bad enough having gambling on our shirts. |
bobvillian
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... !!The only way this protest will work if fans just dont go the matches full stop!!Hit randy in the pocket where it hurts and dont buy any goods!Granted this would be hard for the fans to do;But standing outside by the statue and hoping for thousands of people to turn up will not work.It would be strange to see us playing man city with only the stewards and tea -ladies there? |
DaveW
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... Just a thought gents.perhaps it's McLeish's brief to take us down after all he's better at it than any current prem manager.Parachute payments to boost Lerner's bank balance,players leaving to play for prem clubs = wage bill reduced.Why would he stick with the same dross otherwise? |
nimrodvillain
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... A very good friend of mine was commenting about things s**tty lately at v.p thing is most fans here draw stupid little diagrams of formations as if it actually matters? knob ends alike my mate was seying how we should stage a protest down at the ground and get itv involved this was months ago looks like fans are just catching up well the ones on here anyway dummies |
Lew Chatterley's Lover
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... Agree with Deano Sores about QIA. Personally I'd go for the Barcelona model, offer Randy 70 million and 40,000 of us chip in £1750 each to own the club, come on lets go for it !!!!! Looking at the line up for the reserves the other day I think they may well have beaten our first team, McLeish was there watching, hope McAndrew told him to f**k off. |
Chiefy
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... 1st year at the Villa. Mon P26 W7 D11 L8 F26 A31. Eck P23 W6 D10 L7 F31 A28. Where was your bedsheets and permanent markers then ?? What a joke, and Faulkner aint in paris because i have had an email off him, more imaginary buyers that people are clinging on to |
gmjvilla
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... @Chiefy I'm not 1 for stats as they can mask common sense but MON had a history of managerial sucess and his motivational skills were second to none (wow that was hard to say) As for the clueless one... His history is managerial failure and crap football... The former buys you time the latter buys you protests from the fans... However, I do believe we are stuck with him as long as PF is running the club. |
Harleystaggers
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... Chiefy, MON atarted in August, McLeish has had a full pre season with time to make purchases 5 purchases of which only one (GIVEN) is equal or better than the player they replaced. Yes, MON had the goodwill to start with. But he earned that at other clubs,where he was successful. Alex MCleish has a poor record in terms of winning at his previous two clubs and he has done nothing so far at Villa to suggest we can expect any improvements on his career history. Having said that, i believe MON made a number of mistakes at Villa and I believe Sunderland will benefit from that experience (which is useless for us of course!) but it seems that Alex mcLeish has a level and I am not seeing any evidence that he can grow as a manager and unfortunatley the goodwill is not there to allow in time to try. he knew this when he took the job. Nothing that has happened has been a surprise. For Anybody. This is what worries me most.. |
Chiefy
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...Alex MCleish has a poor record in terms of winning at his previous two clubs So the cups at rangers ment nothing ? didnt mon win in scotland as well ? |
Chiefy
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... Oh AM won more with a poor birmingham team than MON did with a great Villa team including Young, Milner and Downing, so what does that tell you ? |
marion
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... Chiefly If you are able to communicate with Mr Faulkner, as you say via email. Why dont you do us all a favour and put our worries to him and see what responses we get. |
Return of Rowley
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... Convenient stats again Cheify. You forgot to point out MON inherited a team that finished 16th and only had time to sign 1 player. McLeish inherited a side that finished 9th and has been able to have a pre-season and transfer window. I wonder if McLeish will replicate the 5 places higher finish O'Neill did in his 1st season. We get it, you and many others don't like Martin O'Neill. Get over it, it was 18 months ago he left. It has fudge all to do with Aston Villa here and now. If you want to make a comparison make it relevant and fair. |
Kevinmacdonald4boss
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... How can u retards even compare Mcleish to O'Neill. They are nothing alike oh and how can u say mcleish won more than MON he won a cup and got relegated TWICE playing s**te football with a shower of w****rs, whilst MON built an exciting young team that could defend, attack and scared the opposition s**tless. Also MON won two cups with Leicester City and reached a european final . McLeish spent 9.5m on N'Zogbia MON spent 9.5m on Ashley Young MCLEISH OUT NOW |
Return of Rowley
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... Oh AM won more last season with a poor Birmingham side than Redknapp, Wenger and Ancelotti combined. So does that make him better than them? Just because the comparison is true doesn't make it relevant or fair. |
Harleystaggers
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... it tells me that at the time Aston Villa and Birmingham had (rightly or wrongly) different aspirations. One of the mistakes that MON made is that he did not prioritise winning Cups, be it League,FA or Europa. He did get us to a final and a semi final and games can go either way at that stage... I am not the biggest support of MON and I am not overly interested in going to bat for him, but I will say that he is a better manager than Alex McLeish, is more successful and generally when he leaves a club, the clus is sad to see him go. Mclesih cant say that For me, it is tragic that Houllier retired...we were onto something there... |
The Black Pearl
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... Chiefy Didnt MON get to 3 league cup finals with Leicester and win 2 of them? Id say Leicester were just as poor as Birmingham when he they achieved that and he also managed to keep them up if im not mistaken. |
John Salter
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... Chiefy - So are you suggesting that AMc is a better manager than MON? Cups in Scotland can hardly be compared to winning trophies in the Premier League can they? For a start....well we all know there's virtually only two clubs competing up there. |
Chiefy
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...Chiefy - So are you suggesting that AMc is a better manager than MON? No but I am not trying to say that he wont be neither, you can spin it anyway you want but the stats show that AM is doing as good as MON with a worse team with ageing players. AM may not the answer and probably isn't but doesnt he deserve a fair chance? Protesting and getting out the bed sheets just makes the club look small time. For those that want to protest JUST DONT GO TO THE GAMES it is very simple, for those of us that want to go and support the team we can continue doing so. |
Kevinmacdonald4boss
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... watch this absolutely brilliant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...redirect=1  |
windofchange
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... Talks*ite running details of planned protests against McLeish - media begining to get a wiff of our discontent can only help our course. |
marion
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... Chiefy, Could I ask what Mr Faulkner was doing emailing you today, and if as you say you are in contact with him why don't you put the fears of the bloggers to him and see if we can get some answers. |
DeadTeamWalking
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... I think people should go and protest but refuse the enter the stadium aswell Stand outside all match chanting Mcleish out that then would make it even look more bad especially in the media they would love that sort of headline Fans Refuse To Enter Villa Park |
DeadTeamWalking
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... On AVTV the website i was also wondering can you cancel your subscription ? Or are you stuck with it if you paid up for the season ? I was thinking little things like that could also help i know the club won't lose money but it will worry them for next season |
Paul Faulkner
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... Anyone can email me and I will do my best to respond. paul.faulkner@avfc.co.uk |
The-Lynx-Can
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... I'm a sheep if I do follow and f****e if I don't. That's just my personal circumstance, in the real world. I have friends and family sitting on both sides of the fence in regards to the our current situation. Yes I know I should get of it, but it just doesn't feel rite protesting outside of villa. Staying away is the best option. |
Gwatkins
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... fans protest will achieve nothing at this stage. We are much better getting bend the team and trying to be a positive influence on match days. Players love excuses and we are only giving them excuses not to perform. The time to protest is at the end of the season by not renewing your season tickets....I am against Mcleish as much as the next person but I am afraid we are adding to the problem and not helping it. |
nicknag
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... A protest is the best thing to happen, because it will highlight to the media that we don't want mcleish, and as such to lerner and co too. Its clear that Villa need an england rugby style shack up, get rid of the overpayed old guard and bring in new fresh talent, but for that we need a new manager, and investment. personally i would sack mcleish and put in Kmac till end of season. |
Albri-12
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... Glad the protests are going ahead. hopefully a few thousand will turn up. Also hopefully Randy was in France trying to sell. We need AM and Randy out of this club |
KeithC
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... @Rowley: It's just as convenient to leave out the fact that O'Neill also signed Carew, Young and Maloney his first January, whereas McLeish was constrained to keeping the wage bill level. In fact, the stats bear out that if we appoint another new manager, next year will be the exact same as 2006-7, 2010-11, and this season- we'll have 6 wins by the end of January. The only variable in those three scenarios was that the support backed O'Neill, while we sent Houllier to the hospital with our impatience last season. Maybe, just maybe, if we back this one, it might be for the good of the club. |
John Salter
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... Chiefy - That's why I'm staying away and have done since GH was appointed because although MON wasn't the messiah, as we all know the club has gone drastically down hill since he was forced out or left of his own accord whatever you want to call it. A matter that still hasn't been explained which again demonstrates poor qualities from the board/owner. Personally I think it's good that certain fans will protest, it's time everyone knew that Villa fans are passionate enough to care about the club and want to do something about it. Will you be renewing your season ticket if things stay the same as they are? |
Return of Rowley
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... KeithC Maybe, just maybe, if we back this one, it might be for the good of the club. Or maybe he'll take us down. I don't want to take that risk. You're one of the O'Neill haters, I get it. I don't need to get into that again, I was just putting some perspective on Chiefy's lopsided statement. |
Advilla
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... I'm not an AM fan nor do I hate him, so I would like to ask a question regarding the proposed protest against him. How many protests were there against o'niel over the 3 seasons or so we went nearly 3 months without a win after the turn of every new year. How many protests were there against o'leary for his dreadful results & performances, much worse than AM in my opinion. How many protests were there against GH even though everyone at the time slaughtered him, funny how so many have changed there minds since!! How many protests were there against g Taylor's 2nd reign which was awfull I could go on to previous managers also, Gregory, venglos, turner, Mcniel etc etc....not to mention our illustrious chairman, who totally ripped off his supporters with the fiddled share issue. Answers for all above........NONE. Even though all the above managers had better tools to work with than AM does. So I for one will not protest, what will it achieve, other than casting more crap on the club than we already have. If you don't agree with AM, then that's your prerogative, no probs, but just stay away, don't create even more problems, it's counter productive. We need to support our team to help achieve the points required to stay in this league, then sort the managers situation out the and the owner if needs be, this can be done via these sites, letters and e mails to the club also the lack of renewals for next season, doing it at this time of the season will only make thins worse, in my humble opinion. |
rocky5
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... Think that w****r faulkner must have offered to suck chiefy cuz he`s soon changed his tune,Mcleish and Faulkner are a cancer not so slowly destroying our club. Paul Faulkner said:instead of an email chubby just read this..F**k off and take the human cornflake with you |
cyvillain
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... i see the other choices we had for manager are doing well martinez and hughes great choices |
Falmouth Villan
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... Cappello resigned!!!! maybe the FA will want Mcleish ......we can only hope and pray! |
fox-in-the-box
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... Wonder if they will go for Harry now and knacker spurs up or put someone (pearce) in temp charge??? |
Nigel
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... All the other manager's we had (as mentioned above) were quite successful prior to managing Villa. Mcleish, however was not! The fact he managed Blues is more a case of salt in the wounds! |
.vogra
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... Back to Italy for Capello for sure, no way will he stay in this country. As long as they don't give the England jb to the FA lap dog Stuart Pearce, god awful manager...rubbish |
fox-in-the-box
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...Back to Italy for Capello for sure, no way will he stay in this country. Agree completely |
Albri-12
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... apparently there was some sort of prince at BMH today with Randy. please please be a possible take over |
gmjvilla
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... Guys guys... hope it's not too late to cancel the pre-match protest... Alex reckons it's the defences fault so no point blaming him for our troubles.. http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/defau...id=2603253 So the new plan is to boo the defence (Cuellar excluded) when they get the ball... Phew... I cant believe we almost blamed an innocent man. Mr Angry, please accept our sincere apologies  |
Heroes & Villans
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... The pressure has def cranked up on Mcleish now. Players showing contempt, protests planned and the media picking up on it all. There is only one way to go for Mcleish now and that is out the door, wont be long. |
gmjvilla
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... Fergie please get your fountain pen and referral letterheaded paper out again McLeish for England |
Villa37
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... We should start chanting 'McLeish for England' on Sunday Anyway of getting him out the door. |
xandeh
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... I hope lots of people turn up Sunday, even if you don't fully support a protest get down there and support your team from outside the ground, we can support the players without giving any money to Lerner. |
Advilla
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... Gmjvilla All season long everyone has claimed hoe s**t dunne, warlock, Collins and Hutton have been, now the manager is saying as much he's being slagged for it, Smack of double standards from our supporters to me. My frickin pie eas cold at the last game, I suppose that was the managers fault as well Two faced f****e supporters!!!!!!! You are embarrassing |
Len
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... I think that although we have got the wrong manager,the protests should also be directed at Lerner and Faulkner,they will only cock up with the next appointment.Why didn't they keep Houllier as Director of Football,they had to pay him anyway so he may as well have done something for his money,our men at the top haven't got a clue,that is the worry.We just go from one crises to another and are now a joke,even the Birmingham City fans feel sorry for us,things must be bad. |
DeadTeamWalking
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... Its funny that we the fans and media are the ones that have to put the pressure when really a few demands should be made from this spineless board we have Lerner & Fcukup should at least demand the next two games are wins or your on your bike All i can say is god help Randy Lerner should his useless manager take us down seriously i would not even enter europe never mind the Midlands untill we are least promoted again |
RichM
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... "We just go from one crises to another and are now a joke,even the Birmingham City fans feel sorry for us,things must be bad." No one who supports Blues gives a toss about Mcleish or Villa. Your welcome to him. |
Graymo
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... It's quite simple really. Randy doesn't have the money to be able to match the fans' ambitions. He gave it a damn good go but financially backed the wrong man and he has to take the blame for that. If he wants to do the best thing by Aston Villa football club he has to realise that he no longer has the financial muscle to compete and sell the club. The other option is selling the Browns and injecting that money into Villa but I can't see that happening. |
henrydouble
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... England need a new manager, hopefully Red Nose Fergusion will write a nice letter of recommendation. The FA are good at wasting money so maybe we can get some of that £5million back. If we turn that anti-McLeish demo into an 'Eck don't go' we might even get it all back |
Eddieav
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... After watching Sunderland I can't believe villa fans still criticise mon. Towards the end villa fans were brain washed into thinking he wasn't the bee all and end all. The fans that still criticise him now are brain dead. It was the club selling our best players simple as that. |
gmjvilla
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... @Advilla Ever heard of sarcasm?? In these dark times we all gotta lighten up... What's happenin in Syria is much more serious than anything we're facing. |
steve74
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... things r bad holloway , hoddle , keegan , bruce , mcclaren , jewell , wanock ( not our left back ) even gary neville is in the betting to be next england boss but not our clueless tw-t is nowhere to be seen |
Albri-12
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... We should just ditch most the s**t in our first 11 and just start our youth? reserves. they wouldn't do any worse. week after week they get convincing wins. Lichaj looked great against Fulham reserves. GG, Bannan were the middle 2, Johnson on the left, Carruthers on the right, Burke and Wieman up top. add Clark in CB and happy days. At least they would give a s**t, play good football and they cant defend any worse that the first 11 trash |
Randy Learner
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...After watching Sunderland I can't believe villa fans still criticise mon. Towards the end villa fans were brain washed into thinking he wasn't the bee all and end all. The fans that still criticise him now are brain dead. It was the club selling our best players simple as that. Brainwashed by whom? So you think he is the be all and end all? Yes he's had a good start at sunderland, does that mean Lerner should have sucked his cock and begged him to stay now does it? There's a few reasons to criticise him, throwing away cups(mainly european). Fairly boring football(although that can be debated). Most annoying was the signings, yes there were success' ,selling Cahill buying Zat, Collins, Warnock, Coker, Heskey I'm sure i could go on. Lastly, you say anyone criticising him is brain dead. Really! |
cypriotvilla
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... Mcleish needs to sort this defence out.If he does then maybe people will cut him some slack. At least Houllier dropped the monkeys,and put the youth in. It suprises me that in his playing days,he was a tough centre half that took no s**t,come on Mcleish devolop some balkls or resign. |
Randy Learner
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... Nice sentiment frem, although a it's not required, a decent manager could and would select many suitable youngsters from the youth team, Eck has slowly because he's been forced. |
Randy Learner
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...Angry Alex McLeish has demanded his players get ugly as they look to cure their defensive deficiencies "Get ugly", this is comedy gold , you can't write this stuff, did anyone tell him to look in the mirror, what are they supposed to do beat each other over the head with sticks. |
cypriotvilla
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... get ugly i think he meant giving everone a Hutton mask,so that they can scare away any forwards. |
DeadTeamWalking
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... @Damian you can protest and still not enter I know most will still enter and sit there singing Villa Villa Villa It is a shame that protesting is probably the only way you can answer's out of Aston Villa FC normally they are only interested in talking to us when it involves us spending our money So i agree PROTEST BE LOUD PROUD AND STAND YOUR GROUND THIS IS OUR CLUB AND WE DESERVE A LOT BETTER THAN THIS IF YOU BELIEVE WE DON'T THEN WELL YOUR EXPECTATIONS HAVE DROPPED MASSIVELY |
gmjvilla
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... So our youth players are taught to pass and keep hold of the ball from young right up to the reserves but when they get to the first team they are told to get 'UGLY'??? Can't blame our kids if they look for new clubs this summer with this tool in charge... |
j0nny
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... it still depresses me to this day of what 'could have been' imagine if we had kept on to our best players year after year like spurs i have no doubt villa would be challenging for the champions league minimum....maybe even the premier league. if we had pursuaded the likes of barry, milner downing, young, cahill, walker as an example i have no doubt we would be up, especially with MON in charge. He got the best out of the likes of warnock... when we was getting ENGLAND caps. Given Walker Cahill Dunne Warnock Downing Milner Barry(C) A.Young Bent Agbonlahor. I have no doubt that team could compete with anyone in the prem... Just depressing! how times have changed! |
paulB
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... The protest must be against LERNER and FAULKNER not McLeish. Succeed in getting him the sack what do we achieve. We just allow these muppets in charge of the club to make another disasterous appointment which quite frankly we can ill afford. I see the only viable way forward and to ensure a brighter future is to (believe it or not) retain McLeish, find new owners and leave the appointment of a new manager or otherwise to them. |
Albri-12
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... Its just gets better and better. we have no chance of keeping keane who has kept us ticking since he has been at villa. Then our second best player in Ireland now is back to square one with telling AM to F off, he will be dropped , same as Zoggy who on his day is a handful and who we need. we have also dropped out the 20 rich list or something, and to rap it up man city will give us our season battering. why ?? a) they are class b) most of the players we have hate each other, hate AM and just dont want to play for villa |
Randy Learner
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...it still depresses me to this day of what 'could have been' imagine if we had kept on to our best players year after year like spurs i have no doubt villa would be challenging for the champions league minimum.. Which players, Berbatov, Bent, "messiah" keane , malbranque, Defoe and Kaboul who they sold to portsmouth and got back. Few clubs can keep ALL their best players, the important thing is how you deal with these departures,which is mainly down to the manager. I see you've got Cahill in there i think you've forgotten that your messiah MON didn't fancy him much. I also doubt he would have signed Bent, and doubt that team would get champions league anyway. Finally, a decent manager could cope with those losses and build a better team than that anyway! |
In McLeish We Trust
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... Find it hard to listen to some of you when you slate Heskey even after a pretty decent cameo. The perfect scapegoat. Came on, looked decent and added much more in the game than about 8 off the other players, but because he replaced a 'flair' player he gets slated. Good one. |
bobvillian
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... Now to piss of the blue-noses!!Harry to take england job and hughton to be new spurs boss!!It is his old team ain"t it |
bobvillian
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... Baker and lichol to be our full-backs w/d Cant be worse than the muppets there now. |
Ojayvilla
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... Right so we need to actually do something now as fans, instead of saying we'r going to protest, lets actually PROTEST!! We are a joke at the moment and we the fans need to push for change, no point in everyone coming on here and moaning on this. Nothing will change if we set back and do nothing. Its time for Randy and Alex to get the boat or else we will sink |
Albri-12
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... Ye Warnock has to be dropped. we have options. Lichaj being the preferd but Baker ( who did well when he played last season ) and Stevens. |
Remzzo Villan
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... I think its about time we got behind the team and the manager he didnt buy warnock or dunne or collins or any other deadwood that remains from the mon waste blame mon for this whole debarkle hes the reason hou or mcleish dont get big money and hes the main reason we are in decline and face it mcleish won a cup down the road an with not alot to spendd with all that money mon don virtually fukall lads get behind the team sing ur heart out for them dont protest n luk like mugs and nodding dogs fill villa park to the rafters and get behind the boys UP THE VILLLAAAAAAAAAAAA |
glynnder
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... Villa out of Deloitte top 20 richest: Aston Villa fell out of the league entirely, failing to hold on to their 20th position and leaving English clubs holding six places out of the top 20. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16951878 |
Remzzo Villan
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... Ill make an exemption maybe hutton isnt great at the min but boy wil we miss keano wen he leaves ireland and zogs have to get out of their strops and start playin better would like gards to start more hes a real gem |
steamers75
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... Randy Learner , well said about MON ,And Eddieav , l had a brain haemorage a few years ago and the lads now call me Brain Dead so that makes me eligible to agree what Randy Leaner said and have a good look at the players he bought and sold you may surprise yourself , McClueless for England, |
monkey man
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... Agree with you damian,dont look like fools protesting look how sad those blackburn fans looked and it did them no use. it doesnt make sense tp protest with songs hen pay randy money inside the ground the only way is to stay away. I really hope after collymores comments that we may be surprised come the summer that randy will balance the books then go again with bigger buys in the summer,and we hope thatAM does a mancini and stops the defensive method and if we get that bit of quality in he attacks more. |
Eddieav
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... Who brought and sold the players in the end Lerner or oneil at the end of the day Villa have gone backwards since oneil left and look at what the board have done since I still remember all the girlies welcoming oneil when he arrived. look at least when Oneill was boss we had a go at teams. now we s**t our selves when Swansea come to Villa park. Oneill was a good manager yes he had to spend to try to break the top and that was the goal until randy Lerner lost his bottle. oneil left because the board were doing deals without asking consultation. tell me this who signed Ireland, oneil or Lerner. top six three seasons running, a cup final, best run for years villa had a really good feel factor under oneil where is he now, at Sunderland. |
Randy Learner
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... Eddie , thanks for telling me MON's at sunderland, i didn't know. Eddie, eddie, who signed Ireland, i don't know. So far i've read that you think MON is better than Eck, that's probably right. I think you're also saying Lerner should have flopped marty's cock out and started going to work like you would have, maybe. The most ridiculous part of your comment is that you must think Lerner forced your messiah to sell Cahill! I can just see Lerner now calling a meeting with MON, pulling a gun out pointing it at uncle marty's head and telling him if he doesn't sign Heskey he's gonna pull the trigger! I could have interpreted it wrong, but reading between the lines that's what you're saying. |
divine_islet
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...Eddieav said: So you are saying that Lerner signed and sold all the players?Wow,i didn't know transfer market deals were all done by the owner,thanks!How ignorant of me to think that was the manager's job!Villa have gone backwards due to our best players leaving for success and money elsewhere,i wouldn't be putting the blame on the owner nor the manager for that.All the funds that lerner provided MON with,he squandered them on rubbish,and we are still paying a heavy price for that. |
DeadTeamWalking
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... All i wanted for Christmas was Mcleish out Now that has gone Any chance of an early Easter present Randy ? I would love to know how Randy's mind works seriously how bad do things have to get before he gives him his marching orders ? ? ? ? Man city next we all know that is a loss,And then Wigan surely if he loses that one he must go ? ? ? ? |
nisse
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... in the swedish villa forum.. there is rumours that both lerner and faulkner have been to paris togeheter.. this two togehter means business and we all know that QIA who owns Paris st germain has a base in paris... |
Harleystaggers
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... Collymores comments? Collymore reckons our scouting network needs to improve so that we find the next Cabaye or cisse? WE had a verbal agreement with Cabaye to join us at the start of the season when Houlier was in charge!!! But that fell away when GH left. McLeish then sent away our only other cultured midfielder (Makoun) Collymore reckons McLeish needs time to make his own signings and we might get a surprise in the summer: Did he not have a full pre-season and made 5 SIGNINGS of his own? Only one of which (Given) is equal or better than the player he replaced.. I don't want this guy spending anymore money on behalf of aston villa.. |
Harleystaggers
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... Cheap foreign imports to play McLeishes brand of football? There wont be many takers for that i fear... |
Albri-12
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... Does anyone else just actually hate football at the moment ?? Under MON it was great. I watched SSN all the time cus it was nice to hear good things about villa, i enjoyed watching footy matches on the telly, not having to worry about the result ans just knowing what ever happens wont effect us. Now its so much the opposite. Hardly ever watch SSN and dont watch to many matches on telly and when i do, i dont enjoy it because there is now always a team you want to win so villa aren't affected and you cant enjoy it. Its got to the point with AM that anything he says just makes me hate him more. He wont be dropping any of our defenders against city, lichaj should start but he wont Really hope that Randy was in Paris to talk to QIA |
Ryan in Leeds
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... Didn't some lad say news would break about villa being took over in late fen an march Funny Lerner n Faulkner have been to paris |
xandeh
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... I hate to say it, Frem but I do completely agree with you, Football seems like it has finally become a chore for me, I rarely enjoy watching any football any more, there's far too much bullsh** now. All the hype, all the previews, the two hours of analysis, all the controversy and actors on the pitch. Football isn't a sport any more it's a soap opera. The media have totally destroyed a once beautiful game and turned it into a footballers wives style monopoly. The media twist every little insignificant story into breaking news in an attempt to slowly turn football into a sort of a religion where people sit there for hours upon end watching SSN desperate for their next fix of pointless information incorrectly labelled, they crawl all over the internet looking for more news, more transfer gossip, the tiniest little whisper and everyone's all over it, it snowballs and suddenly the more people who are talking about it, the more truth and foundation it has to have, just look at this QIA takeover rubbish. Someone hears Randy is in Paris so therefore the takeover is back on. I'm still waiting for a shred of evidence that there was ever a takeover on the cards. I'm not talking about a newspaper story, I'm talking about a representative for QIA expressing an interest in Aston Villa. The more we buy into this sh** the more football will change for the worse. I'm dreading HR getting the England job, the man is the most conceited and arrogant media whore I have ever known, worse than even David Beckham, people talk about the guy like he's a living legend because Spurs are playing well. Lets not forget that Spurs also played very well under Jol and that a lot of the players that are making them so good now, he brought in and he made moulded. All Redknapp has ever done is take credit for everything any anything he can(lets not forget all those "fantastic players he created at West Ham, still got relegated though didn't they.) The man has won one Trophy in his career and he's the best thing England have to offer. What an embarrassment English football has become. |
Randy Learner
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...Does anyone else just actually hate football at the moment ?? Under MON it was great. I watched SSN all the time cus it was nice to hear good things about villa, i enjoyed watching footy matches on the telly, not having to worry about the result ans just knowing what ever happens wont effect us. aawww frem , you poor lad, you can't religiously watch SSN anymore, you think it was "great" under MON? I'll tell you what, buy some giant poster's of MON and Keane and anyone else that takes your fancy, start aggressively fapping away and you'll still have one hand left to play champ man. I think this could be good therapy and it may stop you hating football, please let me know if this helps because when someone can't watch SSN all day, then you know it's bad. |
Randy Learner
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... Xandeh, i think you and frem are talking about two completely different things. The media twist every little insignificant story into breaking news in an attempt to slowly turn football into a sort of a religion where people sit there for hours upon end watching SSN desperate for their next fix of pointless information incorrectly labelled, they crawl all over the internet looking for more news, more transfer gossip, the tiniest little whisper and everyone's all over it, it snowballs and suddenly the more people who are talking about it, the more truth and foundation it has to have, just look at this QIA takeover rubbish. This is exactly what frem wants to do Xandeh, this is what gives him an erection, he has only stopped because his neurosis won't let him watch when we're in the bottom half of the table! I'm sure you've read the first sentence and thought frem was on the same wavelength as you, but if you read it everything you hate is what frem loves to do, and has only stopped because of our manager and position. |
Randy Learner
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...The first line of anything Frem rights is about all I can usually manage  Damian where are you? you need to light a fire, or are you busy with your secret plan? Well at least there'll be a post tomorrow! |
VillaMike
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... Well, at least Given agrees with me. It's the players! http://www.expressandstar.com/...o-protest/ #noprotest |
sjh
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... will people stop buying these ridiculous lines about there being signings in the summer after the books have been balanced.This is a ploy just to get the usual sheep to buy their season tickets nothing else.Ive got a feeling this protest is gonna be an embarassment with about 20 people there.Once again blame the sheep! |
b6 villa
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... Albri-12 given wants the fans not to just get off the t**ts back but also thiers, and will also back him because t**t bought him to the club |
ou812
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... Albri-12 said: ... Given says AM is a great manager Wouldnt you if he gave you a 5yr deal as a 35yr old with a dodgy shoulder & 50 -60K a week! |
windofchange
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... For those old enough to remember it could be back to the days of the Kapengwi brothers. |
windofchange
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... AM thinks its fashionable to protest and thatit is out of his control although getting the best out of the players is within his control "and I thinK I am pretty good at that" for God's sake how deluded is he? and how gulible does he think we are? |
John Salter
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... According to the BBC Villa have failed to extend the loan spell of Keane and AMc believes the 'silent majority' are backing him ahead of the protest on Sunday! How about the ten thousand who aren't turning up at home games any more AMc? |
gmjvilla
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... How the f**k does he know the "silent majority" back him? They're SILENT... Weird but if Eck didn't speak to the press he'd probably be more popular with the fans cos all that comes out his mouth is manure |
Salty
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... "will people stop buying these ridiculous lines about there being signings in the summer after the books have been balanced.This is a ploy just to get the usual sheep to buy their season tickets nothing" 'Usual sheep' eh? Thanks 'sjh'..nice description of the core supporters who put their money down every season to support our Club. I really do take exception to the growing trend on this blog to denigrate the regular supporters who buy season tickets. I suppose if I didn't go to matches but stayed in the pub to tell everyone how crap the Club is then I would be a good, loyal supporter? When was the last time you supported the team through good and bad sjh? Fair weather supporters who only comes out of the woodwork in the good times yet know more about whats going on than anyone can have only so much credibility-please don't insult those of us with over 50 years of loyalty. |
Advilla
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... Well said salty!! What a bunch of arseholes we have as so called supporters. Don't criticise proper supporters you t**t SJH We are entitled to our opinion and support the club as we see fit, you kind just stay away or go to the blues. What happens if we all stay away? The same thing that happens to companies when they lose their customers THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS, is that what you want, you t**t, it obviously is, so you may as well piss off to the blues now, why wait?......leave us 'sheep' to keep supporting our club as we do....then when we do get some success I suppose slugs like you will come slithering back......we don't want you!!!! Just for you and your kind SJH...... Keep right on to the end of the road, keep right on to the end......come on join in! We'll carry on singing 'the bells are ringing for the claret & blue'... Oh bye the way, claret & blue are the colours villa play in. People like you make me sick, thank god the likes of you arn't in Afgan, cus our lads would get shot at from both sides. |
DeadTeamWalking
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... Stan Collymore is an absolute clown Seriously i have never seen someone chat so much rubbish as he does on Twitter One deluded crazy man who thinks he is always right because he does a bit of football punditry for a little radio station |
J doyle
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... Ad villa I have to say you are right what you say but it is people like you that are keeping mcmuppet in a job and the dross will continu while you and the rest like you you are like people that are bad and won't go to the doctor well it's about time a good few of you went to the doctors |
Advilla
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... J Doyle I'm not keeping him in a job, the owner is, whether I go or stay away will make no difference at all. The owner is an American, I have worked for an American company for some years, there's a few things people need to know on how American bosses run businesses. 1/ they are very ruthless when it comes to hiring and firing, when they make their mind up, that's it. 2/ they hate being told what to do, everything has to be their idea, 3/ they are very stubborn, the more you protest, the more they dig their heels in. 4/ they will never be bullied into decisions, they will totally oppose everything. 5/ they set a criteria and stick to it rigidly. So all the huffing and puffing by these so called supporters will only help cement AM's position. AM was brought in to do a specific job as well as manage, which others wouldn't accept. So instead of flogging a dead horse, why don't these so called supporters focus their energy on supporting the team,.....who knows...it might actually help.....but I suppose that's too much to ask of the new age blues supporters |
Eddieav
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... If you read what I said, I said at the end you tell me if oneil bought Ireland as in was it the the straw that broke the camels back and some of the players you said are crap were good under oneil. ok he made some bad signings but even the best get some wrong such as the so called king kenny, andy Carroll, even sir Alex, its a fact of life. villa was great under oneil until the owners starting to think they know about football. oneil generally gets the best out of players and it's right we did sell our best players because they knew the club were going backwards and starting to lack ambition. southgate and co left for the same reason many years ago, i quote Gareth southgate when he once left villa "aston villa should be the man utd of the midlands". oneil tried to build a squad capable of challenging the top four and randy bought into because of the potential riches of being in the champions league. the credit crunch started, randy lost money and his bottle at the same time. can you blame him for that that's another question. if you are so smart tell me what the big plan is for the club that they tell us about...myou won't because you can't because there isn't one. it's a case of lets cut back and brain wash the supporters into thinking we have a plan. |
b6 villa
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... Advilla I think we should go and support the team on Sunday, not mct**t, not randy but Aston villa. Support the team, let them hear we are supporting them and see if we get a response, second half of the qpr game they responded so I think if the players think we are right behind them I think we will get a better performance, I don't like teams coming to our back yard thinking it's going to be a easy ride. We support Aston villa, it's not like we are going to support another team just because we don't like the manager or the type of football he gets the players to play, so why don't we just go and support the team on Sunday |
VillaMike
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... I was going to comment more over the past day but Advilla sums up my thoughts. So... What Advilla said! |
sjh
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... proper supporter advilla? What proper supporters who are sitting back and letting these clowns take the piss?And how dare you call me one of them down the road! We are being taken the piss out of and it is u lot who keep going down all the time who are spoiling it because its still the little thing that AM can hang onto with his fingertips.Ever heard the saying United we stand,well we all need to get together and put an end to this and the only way is to completely boycott a game.lerner would sit up then,he would have to.And dont think ur more of a supporter than me cause u get a season ticket every year,i dont but that b******s! Whats happening at the moment is breaking my heart,we are an absolute embarassment,the laughing stock of the premier league.every fan i know of other teams cant wait to play us,how does that make u feel? And it will only get worse,mark my words! |
Eddieav
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... The problem with some villa supporters is they don't know what they want. Oneill was crap but yet when he signs everyone goes to the ground to welcome him like screaming girlies to get his autograph as likes it when he signs Ashley young and enjoy a trip to wembley for the first time in many years. houllier was a Liverpool fan but now suddenly he might have been god and made villa great. mcleish is a blue nose who doesnt know anything about attacking football. i know we want champions league football with a tight chairman spending no money,paying low salaries and we want a say on players we sign, and ballot on who we have as the next manager. oh and just to round it off free beer and balti pies. |
Advilla
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... B6 villa Exactly my point! We've had worse managers at villa before, but we have never had mutiny like this before, the support has always been there whoever the manager, but this is different, everyone keeps hiding behind statements like 'he plays negative football, look at his cv, he took the blues down' when everyone knows the real crime is 'he came from blues' had he have come from any other team there wouldn't have been any of this crap, but theses people haven't got the balls to admit it!! Most supporters were happy when martinez's name was mentioned, would we like to swap positions with his team.....I think not.....oh! But his teams play good football....yes....but not good enough to keep out of the bottom 4 or 5 every season, but he hasn't come from blues, so he'll do!!! |
Eddieav
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... If you ask me ... how many times did the blue noses come to villa park and beat us under oneill, or west brom and wolves for that. we feared no-one and for me that was worth every penny of randys money. bring it on again because now we fear playing Wigan and Swansea. |
gmjvilla
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... Advilla said: What a bunch of arseholes we have as so called supporters. Don't criticise proper supporters you t**t SJH I don't always see eye to eye with Advilla but I agree with him on this one... It's a sad day when we question the support of season ticket holders and accuse them of keeping the current manager in a job... Season Ticket holders are no doubt suffering as much as everyone else (if not more) as they have to watch the s**t being served up every other week... and some every week... But that is their prerogative... They spent their hard earned wages to do so. I am a football fan first and foremost so the quality of football I watch comes first and foremost so I couldn't do it... but that's me and no one has the right to say I'm wrong. It's the same with season ticket holders or people who choose to go to games... No one has the right to tell fans not to go to games because to them, supporting the club may be their primary objective... No one can say they are ruining the club because of their support, that's ridiculous. |
Albri-12
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...And McLeish reiterated his commitment, saying: 'I knew the parameters when I walked in and I'm with Randy all the way on his vision for Villa.' fantastic. just what we need. our only player with a bit of pace and quality on the wing is f**ked. so now we are even more worse of than before. we really should have added a winger in jan And McLeish reiterated his commitment, saying: 'I knew the parameters when I walked in and I'm with Randy all the way on his vision for Villa.' whats that then ?? to get villa's squad and wage budget down to someone's like evertons size ?? no depth what so ever. basically 11 main players and then of that a bench full of youngsters. Randy and AM out. QIA in |
dazntu
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... a lot of the national media seem to defending McLeish by constantly bringing up the fact we sold downing and young no villa fans should buy into this bulls**t if paul lambert can get noriwch into the top 10 with a team made up of championship and league one players then there is no reason a team with bent,nzog, gabby and ireland etc shouldn't be top 10 end of! |
b6 villa
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... Advilla we can not change the fact that he came from the blues, randy will not get rid of him so early and it would cost him to do that. He is the manager, but we don't have to like him to support the team, we all want our team to be doing well, but when they are not it don't change the fact that we are villa fans, I know if we were playing the blues at villa park we all would turn up and back our team, what I ask is if we only support the team when they are doing well and not through hard times, are we true villa fans |
b6 villa
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... dazntu you are right our team with the experienced internationals we have, and our team costing more than the teams like Swansea and Norwich should be doing alot better, but this is down to the manager, but both of them teams have thier supporters right behind them, why do we come on this blog, to discuss our team, because we love our team and that should be the same win, lose or draw. The way I see it is, we could be west ham in the championship, would we of got behind villa with a different manager, I think yes, we are still in the premiership, ok it's not the manager we all want or the type of football we want but we are still in the premiership. And we should support our team so it can stay there |
Korean villa
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... so we lose on sunday, thats i think 7 home games without a win, EQUALLING OUR WORST EVER RECORD IN HISTORY, SINCE 1874!!! HOW MANY MORE EMBARRASSMENTS MUST WE ACCEPT WITH THIS CLOWN IN CHARGE. WAKE UP GUYS & GET ALONG TO THE PROTEST. |
ordinaryjoe
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... Cant help but say it is nice to read some well thought out discussion/argument/chat on here (see posts 182 onward for example). Much better than some of the daft and usually foulmouthed senseless stuff we sometime get. Maybe the new log-in system is having an effect? |
ordinaryjoe
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... see that one newspaper is giving out the probable team: Prob teams Aston Villa Given; Hutton, Dunne, Cuéllar, Lichaj; Petrov, Clark; Ireland, Keane, N'Zogbia; Bent Seems an interesting choice of FBs?. Is Ireland still going to be benched for what he said? (or didn't, according to what reports you read) And, has not been easy to understand what the manager intends for N'z who should have been a key player for us but has been marginal. |
ftkvs
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...My vision is to get the players here at this club to be really passionate about playing for Aston Villa Failed on that as well Zog is over the moon The trouble is he is correct about tomorrows protezt, there will be a huge silent majority 95% at lest & he will convine PF the rest are supporting him Perhaps they are supporting him & RL but it will be the downfall our club If you give any sort of s**t about our club lest yourselves be heard |
STE JIM
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... damn damian. AMC has had some s**t of you this season. The guy is s**t though and everybody knows it but i think we should talk about other matters. Every week talking about how s**t AMC is, its gets boring. How bout involving topics of present/ previous players. The best 10 ever villa goals. The best villa moments. I know you have clips of this but blogging the same topic does harm to your website. Even though i like it. |
Cantbebothered
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... Protests will fall on deaf ears, randy ain't bothered what you think only what you spend. Mcleish dont care what you think either,he will find someone else to blame and genuinely believes our current predicament is non of his fault,but good luck with the protest hope it works but I think it might be in vain |
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