Written by Damian Monday, 31 August 2009 09:15
My preference for a formation geared more towards possession. passing, protecting the defence and generally a more controlled game of football is well documented. Some said you couldn't play 4-5-1 at home and some said there is no difference, well I think we saw that it can and there is yesterday.
Yes, I know, guns don't kill people, people do. I'm playing with the 'formations don't win games, players do' line that we've had recently and I agree and disagree with that statement. Yes you need players, but if you played 4-2-4, you'd lose even more and all we have to do is look at the evidence; two matches 4-5-1 and six points.
Yes, we played 4-4-2 at home the other night to beat Rapid Vienna but that was different. Rapid Vienna are like a West Brom; they'll come up and go down a lot and they really would struggle in the top flight, so let's just forget that notions shall we.
Instead, we'll look more at it later, now, to the papers.
What The Papers Say
Janine Self, The Sun He was asked to play alone up front, flanked by the industrious Milner and Ashley Young. Last season, Agbonlahor and Young were instrumental in all that was good about O'Neill's side. And it was Young who helped set Villa on their way after just three minutes.
Howard Swains, guardian.co.uk
It was the first time Agbonlahor has managed to do so this year, with his loss of form prompting the supporters to turn at one stage, most notably when the Holte End sarcastically applauded as he was substituted against Tottenham Hotspur in March. How fitting then, that the striker should arrow a wonderful 22-yard left-footed shot inside Mark Schwarzer's near post at the same end of the stadium to secure Villa three points against a listless Fulham.
The Manager
Martin O'Neill
We settled down early, got the goal early, which was a big tonic and we won pretty well in the end. I am really pleased and delighted we have fought back after that opening Wigan performance. I am delighted with the team.
The Players
Aston Villa (4-5-1): Friedel; Beye, Cuellar, Clark, Shorey; Milner, Reo-Coker (Carew, 73), Petrov, Sidwell, A Young; Agbonlahor. Substitutes not used: Guzan, Albrighton, Delph, Heskey, Warnock, Gardner.
Fulham (4-4-2): Schwarzer; Paintsil, Hughes, Hangeland, Konchesky; Dempsey, Etuhu, Greening, Duff; Nevland (E Johnson, 76), Kamara. Substitutes not used: Zuberbühler, Kelly, Baird, Gera, Riise, Smalling.
Attendance
It wasn't much; 32,917 but General Krulak has informed us that this is because of the economy and that everyone is experiencing the same issues and while he hasn't said this next part I suspect the reason why so few were at the match had something to do with nobody buying the spin and PR that they are selling any more. They should look to Doug for help now; big name players sell shirts and tickets.
Man of the Match
This turned out to be a close one but it goes to Gabby. He picked up 25.1% of the vote and was closely followed by Ciaran Clark and Nigel Reo-Coker. The full results can be seen here, but I think it a fair one.
Final Analysis
We lined up 4-5-1 but that formation, when going forward quickly turns into 4-3-3 and you have options but what I liked most about the game yesterday was O'Neill stuck with it even after bringing on John Carew and there is no coincidence that Gabby had one of his best games in a long time when we went back to it.
I believe he is a much better player when playing in a 4-5-1. He can hold the ball up on either flank, bring other players into the game but also drags players with him. It was just nice to see that O'Neill stuck with it and quite refreshing.
But everyone played well and all departments worked well together, which is probably more pleasing for O'Neill. Defensively, our midfield cut out a lot and didn't allow much through from Fulham but with the extra man in front of them, they always had someone to pass too and we didn't see many, I'm struggling to remember one but I was on the beer, long balls from the back four.
I'm just happy, but I have no doubt that someone will find reason to say I'm wrong or playing 4-5-1 is negative, when in fact I just like to call it 4-5-1 when defending and 4-3-3- when going forward.
Up Next: The Clowns
We have a little break now but in two weeks we are playing at the circus. It is an early kick off but it will be fun. September 13th is going to be fun, but they've been playing some fairly decent football so far so might not be as easy as we had all expected, but I still fancy we'll get three points.
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parisianrob
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... I was quite astonished by the sky team stats which point to us having less possesion being out tackled etc but we won comfortably was it because fulham were so bad Aston VillaTeam StatisticsFulham 2Goals 0 11st Half Goals 0 2Shots on Target 0 5Shots off Target 5 3Blocked Shots 3 9Corners 4 12Fouls 9 5Offsides 1 1Yellow Cards 2 0Red Cards 0 78.1Passing Success 81.6 22Tackles 17 77.3Tackles Success 82.4 43.3Possession 56.7 48.8Territorial Advantage 51.2 i dont care really it was three points in the end UTV |
Daniel Wilson
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... I think the formation speaks for itself. Ash + Milner joining Gabby up top is a more potent weapon than Big John or Heskey playing along side him, with the bonus that we get to throw Reo into the mix. Yesterdays team, with the two hard workers sitting infront of the defence was spot on in my opinion, and now reo-coker seems to have found his passing boots we look pretty potent. I'd still like to see more from Sidwell, not that he is playing badly but he doesn't seem to offer huge ammounts. I think in the long run, Delph will take his place. Then with Dunne and L.Young back in the starting XI and the possibility of Warnock playing if shorey loses form, I'm really happy with what we have. Just hope that Dunne transfer is done and dusted by tonight so it's not a big worry tomorrow. Great result yesterday and i'm looking forward to seeing how Birmingham try and cope with us next time around! |
Villaford
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... Looking at Fulham play I am thinking that not being in Europe is a good thing. What do you think of Shorey? Six points from 3 games is good, especially when one of those teams was Liverpool. I think I would rather lose to Wigan and beat Liverpool then the other way around. |
Super Villain
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... I am a very happy Villain after that win, just need a few extra additions to the squad before 5 tommorow and we'll be okay. On a bit of a down note I'm a little bit disapointed that Delph, Albrighton or Warnock didn't get a final 10 minute run out yesterday, think it would've been good for the youngsters to get some more experience and for Warnock to get his debut. |
John Jordan
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... I still feel MON will bring in another 2 players plus Dunne if he can sort out the "Golden handshake" with City!!...If not,he will keep their bench very warm this season! |
Andyb
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... Reo Cokers's distribution yesterday was first class. I don't know who taught him how to pass this pre season but bring it on. I think we would have all been happy with just a pass mark(pun intended) from Reo's passing given the other strong attributes to his game but yesterday was incredible, he hardly gave the ball away and played some really cracking balls. |
Alan Bridgment
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... Statement that MON would like to sign either collins or upson before the deadline, is that it then ?????????, not sure what the " would like to sign" means, does it mean that if he can't get either then were all finished with the signings ???? |
Alan Bridgment
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... any news on Dunne yet ??, to bloody far away over here, have to wait till tomorrow for news |
david
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... I really enjoyed watching us play a more measured, controlled game yesterday. There were quite a few fans round me getting frustrated by it though and wanting us to get the ball forward more quickly. Hopefully the fans will adapt to the new formation the way the players are having to. My slight worry was that we didn't create that many chances. There was a lot of movement up front, swapping wings, Ash going to the middle, Gabby going to the wing etc. The more they play this way the more confident the players will become and hopefully they'll learn how to create more chances along the way. |
Eoin Greene
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... I said this in response to a few articles now - 4-5-1 is an excellent formation to play against the top teams and away from home, but it is exentially a counterattacking formation, which addmittedly plays to our strengths. However, its no co-incidence that our home form is worse that our away form under 0'Neill. We cant break teams down who come and defend or those that give us too much respect..4-5-1 is not 4-3-3 in any shape or form that justs propoganda from people with 4-5-1 agendas. Check out Barcelona's senior team or under 8 team and you will see what 4-3-3 is!! Sure you can say that we beat Fulham 2-0 yesterday, and won comfortably. You could also say that we didn't really create one decent chance all match - we scored with an own goal from a good corner and a piece of briallience from Gabby. Good football does not mean 100% posession. Good football means winning, which means scoring more than the opposition (bear with me....). If you take it one step further good football is about creating more good chances than the opposition in a match. This doesn't necessarily mean you will win but over a period of time - if you continue to create more chance than the opposition then you will be successful. What I am trying to say, in a roundabout way, is Villa in posession haven't got a clue what they are doing, or how to go about scoring a goal. We are a threat from counter attacks and dead balls. I think we need better players and I think the next 2 days are crucial. 4-5-1 will get the best results for us this season, and I agree we should play it - but ultimately it will hold us back. |
Bobby Park
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... I hope this signals a return to form for Gabby, he was much improved yesterday and what a cracking goal, needs to do this on a consistent basis. Fulham were very poor and there for the taking it was our enthusiasm and work rate that won the day though, the two things we lacked against Wigan. Still think 4-4-2 is better at home as we can't afford to leave Carew out, with Reo and Petrov working hard in midfield do we really need Sidwell in there ? he has very little to offer as a midfield player and never finds the target when he does get forward. There's no room for a 'luxury player' at this level anymore, it's to intense and competitive. |
david
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... Villa ford. Shorey has improved so much from last season and will be unlucky if he loses out to Warnock. Nice to have two quality players fighting for the same position though. Super villain, i'd have liked to see Delph and Warnock get a run out too. I hope that we are going to see a few more substitutions this year. MoN may need to do that just to keep all the players happy and it will also of course minimise the chances of burn out so that hopefully we can even win a game in March 2010! |
Darragh McGeown
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... I honestly believe the Dunne deal is all but completed from our side. Once he finds out what City are going to give him it will be a matter of signing on the dotted line and faxing it to the FA so don't fret. I hope we see more additions. Colins and a good loan signing. I hope the rumours of shorey to pompey are crap as i think he has been very good of late. |
Keith
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... The reason that people question 4-5-1 at home is that we do struggle to break down teams that come to VP to defend and try to catch us on the break. We scored an early goal yesterday which meant Fulham had to attack more and allowed us to play our counter-attacking game. Had we not scored from the corner so early, the game may have been very different with less space for Gabby to move into. I will reserve judgement on 4-5-1 at home until we have beaten teams that have defended well and we have broken them down with just one striker. 4-5-1 is ideal away from home and at VP against the likes of Arsenal, Man Utd, Man City etc who will come to attack us. Against teams like Blackburn, Hull and Sunderland will be the big test of 4-5-1. |
Keith
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... RockSteady "I honestly believe the Dunne deal is all but completed from our side. Once he finds out what City are going to give him it will be a matter of signing on the dotted line and faxing it to the FA so don't fret." That is exactly the reason I am fretting!!! Upson or Hangeland please. |
taglor
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... Ok we won and that is fantastic, but why is mon being hailed as a genius for realising this formation works best after 3 years? |
Villa-Oracle
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... Its definitley a done deal for Richard Dunne Sky Sports will announce it at probably 2.30pm and im sure we will have 2 more on top of that...I have been quoted that Jenas will be our next signing and the 3rd one will be a dutchman not Van Der Vaart. |
Darragh McGeown
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... keefvilla - lol  I agree totally in relation to Hangeland. I'd have him over Dunne anyday of the week but I just don't think it will happen. I'm not so sure about Upson - he's had a lot of injuries and at 30 10-12m might be a bit much. |
Daniel Wilson
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...Ok we won and that is fantastic, but why is mon being hailed as a genius for realising this formation works best after 3 years? He's not is he? or did I miss something? |
Darrel Millington
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... Does anyone get the feeling after yesterday that the boy clark is Zat Knights replacement. Do we need two more centre backs still, or should we blood clark this season for the long term good of the club, as we did with ugo? |
david
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... eoin, I know exactly where you're coming from and my worry yesterday was that we didn't create enough chances. Having said that though I think I have more confidence in our current players and their ability to make the most of this formation than you do. We have young players like Milner, Downing, Young and Delph in midfield all of whom will grow into this way of playing and will learn how to create more chances. We shouldn't forget that Fulham were one of the meanest defences last year so maybe it would have been unreasonable to expect them allowing a deluge of chances, particularly away from home. |
Daniel Wilson
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... Bartonvilla - I think because of Davies injury we need 2 more in at the back, just because if he does have surgery and then one of the established centre halves picks up an injury too, Clark would then be starting every important game, and it's probably in his own interests not to be facing up against people like Drogba and Rooney on a regular basis just yet. I would definatley play him against weaker teams though, he looks like a great prospect. To be honest i'd be happy with Dunne and one other, I don't think we need much more, especially since we are already out of europa. |
caleb williams
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... "Players win and lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes. " Brian Clough |
Sean
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... MON is slowing building a cracking squad of young + hungry players...I think if we can grab 5th or 6th or 7th this season and some good cup runs, then add to the squad next summer, we can feasible kick on next season and make the top 4 or 5 consistently after that... |
bass
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... i dont agree with man of the match, what did gabby do other than the goal? he is never good enough to lead the line in a 4-5-1 as is reflected int he fact he didn't get a call up for the games in midweek, we need something different up top in my opinion! as for the formation, it worked, clearly, but how boring!! i know the 3 points is what matters but my god it was hard to watch at some points, down by the corner flag ready to cross and withing 3 passes its back to brad? not a great fan of that to be fair! lets hope for 4 good signings before 5pm tues....collins, dunne, bentley and love? come on martin!! |
david
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... taglor. Is it the voices in your head again that have been hailing MoN as a genius? I've certainly not read it on here. Are you sure you've been keeping up with your medication? |
Damian
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... bass gabby was everywhere yesterday, running the channels and drawing defenders with him. but you said it yourself, it is the result that matters and i for one will take slow football, passing it all the way back to brad every week if that means we keep the ball and at the end of the day have 3 points |
Gary
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... I have to say I agree completely with eion 1981. Whilst the result is great, we are desperately lacking a cohesive approach in breaking defensive units down. Firmly believe we need a "lock picker". Sidwell would be the one to make way and feel that a Van de Vaart type player(he is still available I think) would be exactly what we need. If we are set to pay Dunne 52,000/ week then I would like to see us break our wage structure to attract this type of player. Whilst Delph is the player for this role eventually, lets not rush his progression. |
vdv
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... we need dunne and upson and also vandervaart who will get 10 goals a season from midfield and also is a great playmaker. 3 in by tuesday. |
Darrel Millington
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... I'm off to Bodymoor Heath, only down the road if i see VDV or Robbie Keane i'll let you all know!! |
gareth horton
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... 451 is the way forward with the current midfield players we have as the quality is not there to play 2 in the middle of the park also a lot of teams use the 541 or 433 when attacking but whateva formation we play has nothin 2 do with us not bein able 2 break teams down at home as we have had this problem playing both 442 or 451 as we all know we just dont have the player to create from the middle of the park we r desperate for this type of player we all know that there r a few of this type of player available on the market at the moment lets just hope mon acts on this issue oh an i have just read an article(birminghammail.net) where mon is talkin about 451 an he hints that he might go back to 442 lets hope not unless we get a decent midfielder vdv would be choice just cant believe mon has not bid 4 him |
Steve Coyne
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... formations only work if you have the players to play that way and i dont think we have the players to play 442 so stick with 451 which worked well again y'day. |
gareth horton
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... villa-oracle u dont need 2 name ur source that would be daft as u would burn ur bridges but can say 4 sure all those players are comin or r u another vijay if so why bother sayin these palyers r comin if u dont know as u just make ur self look stupid i hope u r right though i really do |
Darragh McGeown
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...Didin't get to see the game. MON stuck with Shorey at LB. |
PONGO
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... Why do people think milner should play centre mid hes a winger simple as that and very effective to.Damian you were once slating milner bet yr eating yr words now fool. |
adam c
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... very frustrated now, dunne aint gonna happen and collins just aint good enough, y is he so bad in the market? he hasnt got a clue! |
Woffers8
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... Went to VP for the first time this season yesterday and I was very very impressed with our football. Passing it along the back four, building from the back and generally controlling the game. I thought the back four were superbly organised, the midfield 3 broke down play and generally distributed it well too. Gabby was showing signs he is back to the form he can produce and Milner and Young were good too. A few things deserve special mention: 1. Clark - this kid looked very good. He looked to be communicating very well, he looked assured on the ball and very good in possession - I think he could be a phenominal player- yep, phenominal. 2. Beye - I really like this guy, very quick and looks good on the ball. 3.Petrov and Reo Coker - SUPERB 4. Sidwell - industrial, but we could do with a play maker to unlock the defences with trickery and skill. Not a criticism, but if we're going to play Reo-Coke and Petrov we need something a bit different (a Delph maybe?) 5. Crowd- Damian, your sarcastic tune about the PR spin of the club is a bit tedious, how about the fact that it was a miserable day, bank holiday weekend and a SKY game? let alone we'd just been dumped out of Europe????? 6. Milner, Damo surprised you didnt mention it, but Milner went in to centre mid when Reo coker went off. I didnt particularly like him there - bit of a headless chicken 7. CLARK - deserves a second mentioned 8. Formation - Damian, agreed, the formation is the one for us, I agree 100% with you. I've said it quite a lot on here about Petrov not being a holding midfielder, however, in that formation he was spot on, just not when we play 442. was very happy with the performance. I'd be happy with two/three more signings. a CD,CM,Striker |
jk92923
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... there is some difference between |Villa versus WIgan and Villa post-wigan. i am loving their confidence. the guys in the middle are working tirelessly and Young seems to be in fire. i hope he does not buiy into his own hype and it starts affeting his game. he is going down easier these days and hope he does not start the diving..... great result, by the way! keep em coming! any ideas how many is in the England squad? will they get a 2 week rest now so full of beans against the scum? |
Stathis
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... Very happy with the third win in a row, we're in form and i really hope the international break doesnt waste that, last day of the transfers window and hopefully we're not done bringin players in, i'd love to see one more comin! |
Adey Stuttard
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... Enjoying a bit of positivity at last - the moaners (bar Taglor) seem to have disappeared, at least for now! I would also like to point out that on the respective games last season we are 4 pts better off already: Last season Wigan - drew, this season - lost (-1pt) Liverpool - lost, won (+3pts) Fulham - drew, won (+2pts) Carry on like that and we'll win the league  |
Adey Stuttard
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... trustme, Maybe not as we now have 2 good RBs, 2 good LBs, possibly 4 CBs and now countless Midfielder. Our bench would be Guzan, Beye, Shorey, Albrighton, Gardner, Delph, Carew? or a slight change here and there so there should be no need? |
Deltic man
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... 4-5-1 does work as long as you have players that are fast enough to get in the box with the one striker and support him ! We obviously do in Milner and Ashley Young so there you go, it does work with our squad of pacey players. Just hope we can now kick on a stuff the Noses big style ! |
Simon
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... Damian Playing 4-5-1 means we have 4 strikers vying for 1 position. You could argue that Gabby could play as one of the 5 midfielders like when Carew came on, but this does mean we are pretty light in both midfield and defence. I may be wrong, but i can only think of 3 players available for the midfield slots and 3 for defence (gardner, delph and Albrighton / Clark, Warnock and Lichaj) MON certainly has his work cut out to redress this in 36-hours  |
Steve Badger
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... Phil brown is talking to a prem defender before turner leaves. Luke young anyone? |
Adey Stuttard
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... Badger, If it was a part exchange then yes, Turner in, as we have Beye, Gardner, Reo Coker and Milner as RBs  |
Daniel Wilson
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... Badger - Mon dismissed that link, someone hacked the Hull website and put him on there. He's just on leave because of his brother which is perfectly fair, I wouldn't expect him back for a few games yet. I would be very very suprised if he were to move clubs right now, especially since he's one of our top performers. |
Steve Badger
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... Dan, its just a guess mate. Well a feeling actually. 1874, i think i'd be happy with that. |
david
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... Symbas, it seems to me that we have more cover than you fear, particularly at the back: Left backs Shorey, Warnock and Bouma (back soon?) ; Right backs, Luke Young, Beye, Lichaj; Centre backs, Cuellar, Davies, Clarke, Dunne (in soon?). That looks like 10 players for 4 places, or 6 players as cover not 3. Midfield; Petrov, Milner, Reo Coker, Delph, Downing, Albrighton, Sidwell, Young, Gardner. That's 9 players for 5 (or 4) places, or 4 (or 5)as cover. With Gabby able to drop back into midfield (where he started with us) that makes 5 or 6 as cover not 3. |
Keith
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... Badger No I don't. Not one bit. I will be giving ak_27 dogs abuse for every red card, penalty, piss poor performance we suffer at the hands of that man. |
ronrabbit
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... Apparantly Van Der Vaart is to sign for less than the club record 12 million as soon as Dunne signing is completed. MON sees centre defence as priority and because we are paying a modest fee for Dunne funds are available for Van Der Vaart. If Dunne deal falls through expect upson in by tommorow, but there will be no other signings. probably rubbish but is what i have been told |
Darragh McGeown
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... keefvilla - phew, i thought i would have been your prime target for abuse if Dunne was poor  |
adrian fletcher
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... van der vaart not coming Rafael: "Real Madrid told me it was never a question about my qualifications as a player, but only a matter of the many new players. They like my attitude towards wanting to play, and told me very clearly in a meeting Monday 31th of August, that they need me, and they see me as a important part of the team." |
Adrian Kilgallon
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... It will be as if im kicking every ball with Dunne. Keef im sure he will give you ammunition on occassion but he will also make you eat your words a lot as well. |
Keith
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... ak_27 & RockSteady I really hope that you two are right and I do have to eat my words. But I have an awful feeling that this site will be full of people moaning about the slow, clumsy, useless Irishman before too long. A quality midfielder being signed would help me get over it though. |
Steve Badger
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... Just seen this in the Mirror. I found it mildly amusing and hopefully a good point of debate; Pundits, insiders and, it must be said, people with a vested interest, have long harped on about Emile Heskey's nebulous value to a team despite the fact that he's a striker who doesn't actually score goals. Well, by dropping him yesterday, it seems Martin O'Neill has finally managed to quantify what that value is: minus three points. Going back to the topic, I'm still not convinced about 4-5-1, especially if you play as the formation suggests. 4-3-3 sounds much better I'm not convinced that yesterday's performance taught us that much, as Fulham were so poor. When Gabby scored, I said to my son that I was more pleased about the goal coming from open play. Don't get me wrong, I'll take them however they come, but as has already been said, it's the lack of creativity that I find a bit of a concern. With a Gerrard type player we'd be top 4, imo. Mind you, stick Gerrard in any team and they'd do well, I guess. |
Daniel Wilson
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... Badger, I think your right about needing that kind of Player. I think we have one in Delph though and buying another one could end up with his progress getting severely derailed. It's a tough call!  |
ronrabbit
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... Not really, mate works for express and star and he has shown me a two draft articles for tommorow's evening paper. Basically it says MON has been given about 30 million net spend this summer by learner and he has about 16 - 17 million left, which sort of checks out. Basically if he gets Dunne for 6 million then he has got 11 for Van Der Vaart. If not then its gonna be 13 million for upson with no furthur signings. Im not convinced but thought i would share. |
Ramon Maklouf
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... My God, why is there still so much negativity. For the record, MON played a variation of 451 his first two seasons here. Only last season, with the purchase of Milner did he revert to 442 on a consistent basis. My God, we beat quality opposition, one being a close to full strength Liverpool team and a Fulham team, who under Roy Hodgson, are one of the better 'best of the rest' teams and people still find reason to complain. Liverpool were having an off-day, Fulham are crap, et al. I'm not saying that everything is fixed, what I'm saying is we have a very good squad, with some very talented individuals on baord, and with a great youth squad coming through. We lose to Wigan and all of a sudden we are going to get relegated, and the rest.. UTV! |
Leroy
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... Decent win yesterday. I think 4-5-1 fits us far better. We can have REo and Petrov disrupting the oppositions play with some pressure, and this allows Milner and Ash to look out wide more. Milner and Young both work hard (Ash yesterday was great). The problem is when we have a team incapable of attacking (Fulham) there are few chances to counterattack. This is why the game yesterday was, well a bit boring i guess. A result is a result though. I just hope we dont fal to more Wigan´s because of this style..... To me the solution is the attacking player in the middle. Wether that is Ash or Delph or even Milner once Downing gets back. I still havnt totally given up on us signing someone else there yet!!! Either way someone with a great passing range and is not afraid to go for a good run throught the middle is what we need...... One more thing.....whinghing about whingers is getting really boring. Comments about "where are all the moaners" and such is just pathetic. Just let it go....those comments are just as bad as ´pointless moaning |
Darragh McGeown
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... keef - let's hope that does happen. However, maybe we should sign a quality midfielder just in case |
Simon
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... r0bb0 There should always be 2 players for each position, so saying that and considering your comments, we are ok at full back. However, Curtis is injured so that leaves us with no backup at CB (Dunne deal not done de dah). With regards to midfield, if we play 5, then we only have 3 backups (you can't count downing he's injured)So i agree on one point yet disagree on others |
Keith
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... Badger The two English teams who have had success playing 4-5-1 (or 4-3-3) are Liverpool and Chelsea (even though they seem to be playing 4-4-2 this season) and they have Gerrard and Lampard supporting the striker. We need atop quality attacking central midfielder. It will be interesting to see how well NRC, Petrov and Sidwell do against Small Heath's combative midfield 3 of Carsley, Ferguson and Bowyer. |
Edward Riordan
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... excellent result yesterday and am chuffed to bits that MON used 4-5-1. With Blues, pompey and blackburn coming up i'd expect atleast 7 points. 13 points from 6 games is a good start IMO. UTV |
Adrian Kilgallon
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... I think Keef hit the nail on the head about what would have heppened if Fulham didn't conceed so early on in the game? Like i said i didn't see the game but i heard that Gabby played well. I still think if you are going to play a 451 formation then that 1 lone striker has to be a more complete player then any we have (especially Gabby). We would need a player who has a good first touch, good vision, good pace, good technique and also have an eye for goal. Someone like Wagner Love would be perfect. |
Andy Pepper
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... ist official VDV not coming http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11827_5527963,00.html |
Andy Pepper
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... not looking likely although it is possible Real are making plans for a last ditch bid for Ribery |
Daniel Wilson
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... Don't think mon was ever in for VDV to be honest. Jenas is sounding likely right now but honestly, havn't we learnt never to listen to the papers yet? mons mouth is sealed tighter than a __________ - fill in the gap yourself |
Steve Badger
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... Dan, I keep forgetting about young Delph. Good call though, I'm hoping for good things from him, but not immediately. I suspect this season will be just bit parts, but I don't have a problem with that. Ronrabbit, £30 mill eh? I'd say that's pretty good and hopefully might help draw a line under Mr Lerner's lack of investment. Ramonicus, I don't think the thread is negative really. Let's face it, Fulham were decidedly poor, after all. I'm very upbeat about our little winning sequence, but you do have to admit that we rely on far too many set pieces. While it's working, it's great. But when it's not, you need something to fall back on. We only have to look at last season for that. That's just facts as I see them mate, not negativity. |
Damian
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... DanWilson you'll be pleased to know that the match day chat service will now be a regular feature on the site - starting early and maybe a vice feature or two for everyone using movable boxes around keeping everyone up to date with what is going on with all the other games going on at that moment as well as our own aston villa match |
Oli
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... My ratings for yesterdays match Friedel - 6 - Didnt have much to do really, cant remember them having a single shot on goal. Beye - 6.5 - Looked good in defence. the first few games he was playing too centrally and we were struggling with coping with opposition left wingers, but yesterday he played more in the right back position and played well. he did seem a bit like a headless chicken with he ball though. Shorey - 7 - I remember seeing him at the wigan game and i thought this guy is possibly the worst footballer i have seen play in the last few years. To say he was shambolic was an understatement. However againat Liverpool and now today he was in top form and played really good, even venturing forwards a few times. Clark - 7.5 - Brilliant debut by the youngster. he looks tall , quick and intelligent and seems to be able to fidn a pass aswell. I hope Mon doesnt sell him like cahill. I really think this kid should get a good run in and around the first team this year, and with dunne seemingly coming in im sure he will becuase last year dunne was giving away penalties and own goals for fun. Cuellar - 8.5 - My Motm, was absolutly dynamite. He cut out everything and marshalled the defence superbly. I think judging by his form this season hes our new laursen,just a bit quicker but less of a goal threat. Petrov - 7 - Did what he had to do with minimal fuss. Sprayed the ball around well and made some inportant tackles to break up play. Sidwell - 7 - Same as Petrov really. He came forward more but didnt look too convincing when attacking. Reo- Coker - 7 – Again played just as well as the other two midfielders and as a unit of three they never let Fulham get any rhythm. Reo is more of an enforcer who gets his tackles in, and surprisingly yesterday his passing was very good. Ashley Young – 7 – had a decent game. Didn’t really do much but his corner for our first goal was very good and put their defence under a lot of pressure. James Milner – 7.5 – Another solid performance from the boy. He has been our best player for some time now, and he never disappoints. He tracks back a lot and really helps with the defence, and he adds another dimension to attacking play. Gabby Agbonlahore – 8 – I was going to give him a high score anyway because I thought he was excellent yesterday but his goal was the icing on the cake. He led the line well and caused their defence a lot of problems with his pace. I would still play carew upfront when he is fit, but if agbonlahore can maintain his good form then I suppose he could replace sidwell in midfield. So all in all a good performance from the lads. I think Damian was spot on when he said 4-5-1 was the way to go. Now many teams are successful with the 4-4-2 like spurs and Chelsea and Man Utd. But unfortunately In the middle of the park are midfield is not good enough man for man and so by playing 5 across the middle we are able to stifle teams. However what was hugely apparent was our need for a creative midfielder. I think if we had a player like Jovetic or van der vaart, it would make a massive difference to our team. i really hope we can sign one before the transfer deadline but i doubt we will. |
Michael panizza
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... Hopefully people will get off Gabby's back now - to write off a 22 year old player so casually was daft to say the least. UTV! |
Dave
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... KeefVilla - I wouldn't have any worries about that midfield 3 as player for player we are substantially better... |
Daniel Wilson
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... Nice one Damian - one little thought on the old chat, I couldn't get onto it yesterday at the start because I didn't know I had to click the little icon to open up the chat box - maybe me just being dumb but I remember a few posts saying it wasn't working, maybe they were having the same blonde moment I was and maybe if you made it clear what you need to click you might get some extra people appearing. I'll be looking forward to a bit of banter during the next match provided my boss doesn't turn up again |
scott harwood
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... lads do u think we might go in last minute for kranjcar?i rate him and would be great to get one over old ballbag face.id prefer him to jenas quite frankly because rc is a similar type of player.jenas is the better passer but rc breaks the game up better.the purchase of niko would offset that with sidwell making way. |
Steve Badger
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... Keef, I totally agree mate. Fwiw, I loved watching NRC surging forward on Monday and he was playing exactly that sort of role you're talking about, imo. If he could consistently do that, we'd be sorted. It will be interesting to see how well NRC, Petrov and Sidwell do against Small Heath's combative midfield 3 of Carsley, Ferguson and Bowyer. Agreed. I think our 3 are man enough for the job though. That one simply has to be a 5 man midfield. I'm a bit worried about this game to tell the truth. The scum played pretty well against Spuds from what I hear. Staying confident though, so a win, no worries. I like the idea of 12 points from 12 that was posted earlier |
gareth horton
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... ronrabbit nice 1 at leaset ur not a vujay who boasted about this an that player is gonna sign an that he had inside info then when he was quizzed on it he stated abusing other people on the blog just read a quote from vdv that madrid want him 2 stay gutted mon should still push the move though |
Daniel Wilson
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...id prefer him to jenas quite frankly because rc is a similar type of player.jenas is the better passer but rc breaks the game up better If we get a Reo-Coker type player in, personally I think it would be a travesty. Coker has player here there and everywhere, had his time on the bench and never once moaned, and now he is on top form. Relegating him to the bench again would be piss poor of O'neil, and I don't think O'neil would do that, he knows when a player comes good so I can't see it happening. I think Sidwell is the midfielder spot up for grabs right now. |
scott harwood
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... u misunderstand me.thats what i mean.i think sidwell is the weak link but i wouldnt buy jenas to replace him hes the same type of player.a kranjcar type player is what we need with a bit of guile and vision.it came out wrong duh lol |
Daniel Wilson
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... Scott - I was agreeing with you, I know what you meant Like I said above though, I think we have the player we need in Delph, so buying a long term replacement for big bucks might be a bad move as it would mean hindering his progress, possibly a loan move for an experienced lock picker would be the way forward?? |
gareth horton
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... i defo agree that its sidwell that needs replacing in the first team he gives plenty of effort just lacks the quality we need rc has to play think we would be a good captain 2 an as a knock on effect feel his game would go up another level if given the armband |
Damian
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... DanWilson82 When we put it live next time I'll do some screen shots with instructions - or maybe put the instructions in a box on the page so it is clear .. |
Steve Badger
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... Dan, Totally agree with your comment re: NRC. He should get a decent run in the side, in his proper position. Hopefully we won't see any of that wrong position stuff that we saw last year, so that's a great plus. |
ronrabbit
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... The sky sports release seems bit funny to me. He wanted to leave becasue of his wife, not because he was worried about not playing. Thats why he only wanted to play in Germany or England, because the health care is far superior. I still think he will leave Real, hopefully for the Villa although it says on Eurosport Spurs are interseted. On the Dunne deal, it is an argument over price between the player and Man city. he is owed 6 million in 6 months for being there for so long. basically we are paying 6 million on the basis a proportion of this will be wrote off by the player. City want it all wrote off valuing him at 12 million, and the player wants about 2 million valuing himself at 10 million. this is my understanding anyway. To me that seems like a proper football decision by a player. How often do you see a player willing to write of 4 million pounds so he can transfer a year early? |
Daniel Wilson
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... Yep yep, the right position is essential for our Reo, he got a bit jumped on last season after poor performances at right back and he isn't even a right back... Sad that after he had a great start to the season in centre mid. Does he even have a song? perhaps the old barry for england chant needs to be switched for him! |
Faccundo
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... Kranjcar, VDV, Veloso or Mutinho Dunne keep him citeh - 56k/wk is a blatant rip off Expect nothing though as Liar Lerner's here to collect cheques and his propaganda General will keep going on about "aim high, shoot high" lifting trophies...eventually and 30m signing even though MON states he is compelled to only spend within his means, being the third lowest net spend in the league As we all know, spending isn't the determinative factor for success but it is a prerequisite LERNER GET YOUR CHEQUEBOOK OUT |
scott harwood
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... good point dan.delph looked good against rapid,he came deep for the ball and sprayed it around well.it was a monumental cock up by mon to start him against wigan and im so glad his confidence wasnt shot to pieces.id be interested to see him in sidwells place in a 451.sidwell even though hes been ok is still the weak link for me and while still being a better all round player than delph at this early stage of delphs career,delph is by far the better passer and i think thats what we need.too much pressure is always put on stan to provide a magic pass |
benavfc89
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... Credit where credit is due. MON has been losing my faith but that was restored yesterday when he delivered exactly what we needed. Gabby was fantastic for the first time in a while and definatly shows he plays better alone up front. I truly believe we can push for the same sort of finish we had last season now. Well done lads |
gareth horton
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... i would take jenas if we cant get the lock picker we require as he is better than sidwell will get u 10 goals a season |
ronrabbit
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... i think VDV will move, He wanted to leave because of the health care, not because he wanted to fight for his place. I would expect to see him in england or germany buy 5pm tommorow. Dunne deal i think i am right in saying is a wrangle over the players value between city and himself. He is owed 6 million. we are paying 6 million and the transfer will go through on the basis a proportuon of that is written off. city want it all wrote off so valuing the player at 12 million, dunne values himself at 10 so wants 2 million back. that seems like a real footballers decision. how often will a player write of 4 million to make a transfer happen? |
gareth horton
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... given a run in the team i also think delph would do a better job than sidwell an be more of a threat going forward but still able to put his foot in |
scott harwood
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... i agree gareth.i cant work mon out he starts him in 2 high pressure games in a 4 man midfield but wont start him in a 5 man midfield where he has more protection and can express himself more.can u work that one out? |
John Clark
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...r0bb0 said: Fulham were the perfect example last year of the same thing...tidy, well organized, hard to break down, no cutting edge. We handled them much better this time around. Different players allow you to do different things. I liked seeing Milner, Gabby, Young, and Sidwell all over the place, moving around, stepping up, tracking back, interchanging. They'll get much better at it. As I've been saying, and thanks for the Cloughie quote to back it up, it's the players, not the manager or formation. Perhaps a manager might give poor instructions, but really, once you're out there, you either know what needs doing or you don't. It's a very simple game. We did create some chances, especially early...But for everyone who says Fulham were poor and the top4 would've destroyed them, perhaps. But there are many games where Utd, etc., don't create much of anything for 80mins, then sink a late one. Last year's slump, simple formula: Not taking enough of the chances we did create, and conceding late goals. Yesterday, we did take a chance, they conceded an own goal as they were under pressure, and we didn't concede. Job done. |
Damian
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... kohoutek no doubt brian clough was a great manager but just because he said something, it doesn't make it a fact formation plays a much bigger part on the modern game than it did 30 years ago because back then everyone played pretty much the same but i will agree to an extent if every team went out and played 451 - it will be the players that win it .. |
scott harwood
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... damo what do u think about my earlier post concerning mon starting delph in a 4 but not a 5? |
vdv
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... mon has mucked up on sneijder and vdv. thanks oneill and dont just bring in twocenter halfs. a center mid and a striker or i hope vdv. |
VillaSoarHighest
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... If we are going to keep the 541 or 433 (whatever you want to call it) surely Delph replacing Sidwell must be on the cards. This boy is a natural attacking midfielder with pace and skill and with the added cover of 2 others in midfield will help him with the confidence to get forward, which is a bit harder to do in a 442 when you are still trying to find your feet. Just a thought. |
Adrian Kilgallon
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... The era of Clough and his ways is well gone now. But the better players you have to put into the certain formations obviously makes a differance. Sometimes i feel we have to play 451 just to make up for certain players lack of ability. |
John Clark
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... Damian- For me, it's about getting your best players out there...I think the reason we look better in a 4-5-1/4-3-3, is because, as you've said, we don't have the central two to play a proper 4-4-2 and make it work. I think MON thought that Heskey, being more athletic and mobile than Carew, would bridge that gap...But he hasn't/can't. In the end, different ways of saying the same thing. This formation, right now, fits the personnel we have. But as all the arguing week in, week out about which teams actually play what formation illustrates, it does just come down to the players, and what they can or can't do in any given combination. My example is always Rooney. You'll see him in his own half as often as the opponent's. 4-4-1-1, 4-5-1, 4-4-2? The label doesn't matter much in the end. However it comes to be, though, I do agree, that with this lineup out there, it is making it much easier for us to play the ball on the ground, and so on. I'd like very much to see it continue, and am not bothered at all by being able to dictate some of the game's tempo. |
Greg
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... a bit off topic re:arsene wenger "The players who are never punished, who get out of the game without a yellow card. I think it is more anti-football than a player who did what Eduardo did. Im sorry mr wenger, free kicks are part of our game, DIVING is definitely not. Hope you see this la sheva ur manager is a complete w****r, and a poor sport in regards to losing and also in regards to train your players how to cheat |
vdv
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... i was just reading the statement about vdv and it says he does not have to leave anymore. its not saying he is definitely staying. 12 mil should do it mon. do something good this transfer window. the lads on gillete socer saturday and sunday supplement say you should and that we need two. please for once listen two other people and not your self. |
Shauny B
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... While the team are beginning to build an understanding between them particularly down the righthand side and most importantly at the back I can't help but think we must purchase a central midfield playmaker and a 20 goal a season striker before this window shuts. Now thats not easy as there aren't too many affordable candidates around. Could I suggest that even a keen strong youngster like Carroll from Newcastle would be good as a backup. He is keen to get back into the Premiership as quick as he can. |
TrueVillan
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... monkeywrench Shorey to Pompey according to some papers: opinions? my opinion, no way! we need the cover, dont think freddie is ever gonna be the same, and a loan! those bastards held us to ransom on distin, eventually costin us the signing, why should we help that 2 bit team with anything! f**k em! |
keith
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... mon has "mucked" up on sneider and vdv as much as saf did on trying to keep cr7, i agree on giving delph a run but how long before people get on his back because he is still learning |
Michael panizza
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... TrueVillan - I agree, plus I think both Shorey and Warnock can be used on the left side of midfield too..I'd hang on to Shorey, no question. |
Daniel Wilson
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... I don't agree that mon has mucked up on VDV atall. Sure he's a great player but is he our type of player? can you see him fitting in in our dressing room? Some might say he's the type of player we need to advance, well I think mon has done a pretty good job so far of showing that maybe the types of players he likes to purchase are the way forward. Personaly I think VDV would be a really odd signing for us... |
scott harwood
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... monkeywrench top post.ive been banging the shorey lm drum 4 a while.then u can switch ayoung to the right and play milner in sidwells place.its about options and becoming less predictable.i really think shoreys starting to produce his best stuff. |
Michael panizza
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... keithj - the question is whether Lerner is providing MON with enough funds to go for players of the calibre of VDV and Sneijder...I don't think Sneijder would have joined us regardless to be honest but with VDV who knows...he's proven before he's happy to play for a club the size of Hamburg so why not the Villa? I'm really beginning to believe the guys saying Lerner's purse is as tight as Deadly Doug's was. |
John Clark
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... Yeah, I don't want to see Shorey leave. He's come on...Will never be dominant as a defender, but if Warnock were to take the position, Shorey would be the right sort of cover. Of course, he probably doesn't see himself as cover. |
TrueVillan
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... monkeywrench knowing MON we will see more of warnock in midfield than defence, especially if he does not buy a quality midfielder, and im thinking now we wont see a midfield buy, so will need every option we have i.e. beye covering CB position when young fit. overall, bit disappointed with transfer window, unless some big surprises, we have not replaced laursen or barry imo |
vdv
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... looks no new faces today. it means two at the most tomorrow. mon come on. dunne, upson or collins. x2 kranjar or vdv or defour bellamy |
Halfwit
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... What in the blue hell is Dunne doing ? Not in the boozer allready is he getting slammed forgetting he has a club who wants to sign him ? The longer it goes on less likley it will happen maybe we should look else where or tell him we want an answer now no messing about...It cant be that hard to say yes or no or sign the dotted line when your current club dont want you and villa do This should have been sorted by at least yesterday make your mind up Dunne cause we need players now and dont need messing around with like your doing to us |
scott harwood
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... true villan,laursen was always gonna be nigh on impossible to replace but uve got to agree(along with every other villa fan)that cuellar and davies have been immense lately due to the fact we have been playing 451.they are confident because theres always cover.now we have 3 rbs,3 lbs,if dunne comes 5 cbs.if dunne defo comes a lockpicker and ill be happy.heskey,carew and gabby can be rotated depended on who we r playing and the situation of the games we r palying(ie leading,behind chasing games etc!) |
Michael panizza
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... SCOTT1 - as we are squad-wise, we seem to have decent options in certain areas of the pitch and very few in others. I'd like to see Kranjcar in the middle of the pitch as I'm happy with how Petrov, Sidwell and NRC are performing but we clearly need some flair thrown in to make us less predictable in that area. TrueVillan - Agreed, there were no fireworks in the transfer market on our part but I like the way MON is building our midfield...I also consider Clark and Albrighton as new arrivals in the squad and able to offer us as solid a contribution as anyone, from what I've seen it. If Dunne really arrives then in the CB position we'd have 4 players (including Clark) with Beye also able to cover in that position..I'd still look at strikers because in my opinion neither Heskey or Delfouneso have enough quality. |
jk92923
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... papers are touting a deal for Upson. if , lets say, that goes through, how would he keep Cueller, Davies and Dunne happy as well?? |
scott harwood
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... agreed monkeywrench.id love niko there!theres competion in defence and midfield but the forward line picks itself.a shake up there is needed!have u excluded davies from cb due to his op?otherwise its 5 cuellar/davies/dunne/clark/lowry with the option of beye and bouma aswell. |
Daniel Wilson
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... k92923 - I think Upson would be a last min thing if Dunne doesn't come off. I'm starting to think maybe going out of Europe has made him think twice and apparently some agent on Sky said there were probably 2 or 3 teams interested in him?? If he doesn't want to come stuff him, i'd rather have upson anyway. |
Michael panizza
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... SCOTT1 - Good point, so we have Lowry too. In that case here is where we stand: GK: Freidel, Guzan, Marshall (sorted) RB: L.Young, Beye, Lichaj (sorted) LB: Bouma (if fit), Shorey, Warnock (sorted) CB: Cuellar, Davies, Dunne (?), Clark, Lowry, Bouma and Beye if required (sorted?) RM: A.Young, Milner, Albrighton (sorted) LM: Downing, A.Young, Milner (sorted) CM: Sidwell, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Delph, Salifou, Gardner, Osbourne, Bannan (light in quality, the likes of Salifou and Osbourne are beginning to be in the squad more to make up numbers than for real necessity, we need 1 flair player badly) CF: Carew, Agbonlahor, Heskey, Delfouneso, Harewood (we desperately need a quality forward, Delfouneso needs a season on loan somewhere and Heskey and Harewood are just not good enough). Dunne confirmed, 1 quality CM and CF and we're doing good - but I wont hold my breath over the next 32 hours. |
Mike Carter
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... Well thank God we didn't go for Michael Turner. £12m? Might just be one of the biggest ripoffs of all time. |
Daniel Wilson
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... Monkeywrench, you right (I think) about Delfouneso needing a season on loan somewhere. I wonder why mon is reluctant to do this with him getting so little first team action. Would hate to see him just fade away into the reserve forever, he looks a real tallent. |
jj
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... i think we won yesterday because we got an early goal, and therefore fulham couldn't just sit back with 11 behind the ball- they actually had to try and attack us, which come to think about it, they didn't really do either. However, if we hadn't got that early goal who knows what might have happend. i'm all for 4-5-1 but we can't rely on it souly. there will be a time in the season when this system fails. then what? and we still need that creative spark to unlock such teams that come to villa park and just want to park the bus. |
JA
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... we are winning games now so i think we could do with a CF just incase because gabby will get too big for his boots and fail at the end of the season and i think were sorted we should leave the team as it is as were on a winning run after beating pool and fulham so lets wait and see what happens im very excited |
scott harwood
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... danwilson agree about the fonz!if we could play 442 hed fit in quite well.but with our squad geared up to play 451 we cant afford any passengers(bedding in i mean)the few times ive seen him he looks a hot prospect!maybe thats why mon doesnt want to loan him out.if he goes to a lesser team,plays a lot and scores goals maybe he will want a move.its catch 22.we r not a man utd or arsenal where we have the quality to blood players. |
JA
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... JJ said ... However, if we hadn't got that early goal who knows what might have happend. i'm all for 4-5-1 but we can't rely on it souly. i dont agree with you because all of our team had a good game yesterday and i went to VP and saw a great side take on a poor one sidwell, coker and petrov broke down nearlly every one of there attacks and we won liverpool even though with there caliber of players we still broke them down and in the we won 2 games on the trott with 4-5-1 with our midfield which broke attacks down within seconds so i think if we play 4-5-1 all season we could push for 4th place no question. |
bobvillian
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... upson will sign tomorrow along with jenas still not sure about dunne could be lined up elsewhere |
vdv
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... three players, thats all we need. 1 cb added with cullar, clark and davis. beye also can fill whole. 1 cm. someone with skill, and great vision who gets goals. kranjar or vdv. 1 striker. we have two that can score. we need more. a fox in the box and also adds compitision. guzan freidal marshal. young beye davis cullar clark dunne. (beye) shorey bouma warnock.(shorey of in january when bouma makes complete recovery). milner young downing albrighton delph sidwell petrov reo vdv or kranjar carew gabi heskey ( cant score) bellamy, keane or pavulechenko. villa sorted. |
scott harwood
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... i agree ja,its a 451 that turns into a 433 thats already been stated.imagine if we had a lampard on our team latching onto balls falling outside the box and mopping up any loose clearances!i honestly thought that sidwell was gonna be that player.he was awesome at reading and jm didnt buy him for no reason.maybe its a confidence thing or maybe hes trying too hard. |
pete
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... vdv agree bellamy is a good player but i think he could be trouble in the changing room |
Will
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... is dunne now in ireland on international duty? may have to do business into the night if players are away with their respective countries, surprised that we have bin quiet today though that we would have heard something by now can only really see us signing dunne and collins now but hope for someone creative for the midfield the next 24 hours should be flat out |
Jonathan
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... Sorry to be a pain guys been away (Leeds Festival), anyone know where i can watch highlights of the game? |
paul
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... think we should forget spurs players, only way we get them is if a young goes the other way |
Vital_Loans
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... Is there any hint that we are going for an attacking player. All we ever hear is defenders. We desperately need someone with the killer pass and we should get rid of the hare and Heskey. Tuncay only cost 5m  |
Will
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... no worries stennett i was expecting the penultimate day of the transfer window to be crazy on ssn all day but it went crazy for like an hour and that has bin it dunno whats going hopefully "Behind the scenes" its all going on and we will have 3 players presented tomorrow |
Trevor
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... expected lot of news out of VP today..cant see Dunne signing now as he is on international duty, plus collins i cant see coming now if the hammers are selling upson to florentina...poor transfer window again (although im keeping it all crossed) |
jj
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... JA, we actually didn't create that many chances yesterday. Yes we broke up the play and we defended well against a poor fulham side. Away from how yes lets play 4-5-1, it's just i still have concerns as to whether or not we have the imagination up front to break through the real quality sides, playing just the lone striker...i mean gabbys goal yday was great but would he really not be closed down if we played the likes of chelsea at home? our cm's are great but too defensively minded...so we rely alot on gabby, ash, and jimmy when we play this system to provide the threat. If they have an off day, or we come against a really resolute defence..i'm not so confident. |
Steve Badger
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... From the Express and Star; Clark was itching to get started, as soon as O’Neill called him out of the dressing room to break the news that he was playing. Warmed the cockles of my heart and reminded me of when I used to be keen Also some good words from Brad, about how the fans encouraged the kid with some applause and a cheer after his first tackle. |
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... reply to jj we didnt create the most chances we could have but sidwell moved forward a bit and nearlly grabbed us a goal but we definatly need a striker 4-4-2 is not the way we should play we broke the top four for most of the season and when MON bought heskey and went to 4-4-2 just to fit heskey in we went something like 9 games without a win i am open to be stood corrected of how many games we went without a win |
Andy Young
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... I prefer Clark to both Dunne and Collins. I accept that he lacks experience and will make the odd mistake, but at least the statement aboves proves that he's proud to wear the shirt. Dunne strikes me as a bit of a mercenary. |
Trevor
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... vijay, quite possible clark will be 4th choice, as davies no doubt will have a op on his shoulder |
Mark
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... it said on ss n last week that we were still in for bentley? there sources arnt always accurate lol. |
Will
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... dunne will still be coming like sk8orboy says collins will be zats replacement and is better than zat so should be good business that will probably be it unless MON fancies giving david bentley a phone call |
Trevor
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... Warnock Cuellar Dunne Young - very decent back four, with Shorey Davies Collins Beye, as the 2nd string,,, looks OK on paper to me?? |
Trevor
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... vijay yes quite possibly, he is 19 and learning a trade, needs a season in and around the team before he can be considered, as can you imagine his confidence if we have a shaky patch and the boo boys start???? |
Michael panizza
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... Go on then vijay, who are we likely to sign between now and the end of the transfer window? |
toxytag
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... James Collins oh my god!! has MoN gone mad! why are we after two average centre backs we have to replace Laursen, Clark can be Zats replacment |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Damian i think you should start a poll to see who are prefered CB would be for the squad. A) Dunne B) Collins C) Clark D) Lowry E) Knight |
Oli
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... In other news West Ham have signed Manuel da costa who i rate very highly. he is the next big thing as far as defenders go, the new ricardo carvalho. Fabio grosso has gone to juve for 3m after they did a lot of haggling. for a world cup quality defender we should of gone for him. Both rafinha from schalke and ivan klasnic from nantes are also available. it shows big name players are available on the continent and not for a lot of money. |
Greg
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... I dunno if we will bring in anything other than a centre back, sometimes i wonder can martin o neill sign even an autograph!! |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Damian do you think that Collins would be a good addition to the squad? I have a horrible feeling that we won't sign Dunne. Don't suppose you have any info on the situation |
Oli
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... Oh sorry forgot to mention the big news....apparently spurs are linked with van der vaart. |
Trevor
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... i personally think Collins is a decent defender, and would be a good acquisition to our squad |
Biriani
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...... Don't you get it ? They're trying to scupper our deal. Rafael Ferdinand van der Vaart is ours, ours I tell you |
Oli
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... Also Ricarado quaresma and mancini from inter are rated at 8m each, miguel torres is available from real madrid (has huge potential this kid, played great for real last season, and martin petrov from man city has been listed for 5m. funny how michael turner is being sold for 12m. is he better than these guys. |
Biriani
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...VDV is staying at madrid they all say that so they don't get grief off the fans if their transfer doesn't go through. He's ours ! |
scott harwood
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... does anyone remember the serbian midfielder who wolves were linked with?he was red star captain.completely off topic i know but i think it was for 3 million.havnt chelsea just bought a serbian for beans aswell?im surprised mon accepted us in europe,i think he thought the world ended in gb lol |
Damian
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... By all accounts if Collins comes you cant see him as a player that would start every match if Davies and Cueller are fit but Davies could be out for a few months. Collins, by all accounts, is a very decent centre back, so if he were to come in for cover, then why not, good signing. But, Martin O'Neill I think would prefer Dunne - it's just a case of 'does Martin O'Neill' really have the pull to attract him? |
Michael panizza
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... If Spurs get VDV it'll be the ultimate proof that Lerner's alleged big plans need to be put into perspective once and for all Clark: I think he's ready for regular action and I doubt he'll be as fragile as some suggest..he surely looks much more assured and switched on than Zat Knight anyway although that's hardly an achievement. We still need 3 players: 1 centre back, 1 striker and a quality playmaker. |
Oli
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... yeh but VDV was quoted as being available for 13m today. we paid 12m for downing and around 8m for delph and warnock if sources are to be believed. so cant really blame Lerner for that. |
jj
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... JA, i wasn't suggesting a 4-4-2. But why is it we have to rely on 4-5-1 because our midfield consitently gets over-run if we don't play the system? Ultimately, this is 1-D and bing 1-D was a contributing factor to why we failed last season. It seems that if we were to have two quality strikers at the club we would sacrifice playing both of them together because of our fragile midfield. Don't get me wrong i love the system but we need to implement a variation if and when things go wrong later on in the season. |
Abdul Kashif
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... Well, Petrov seems confident Dunne will sign. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_5524348,00.html Hopefully we'll snap him up tomorrow along with one or two more. But James Collins??!! We should have kept Knight. Also, Wolves have that giant striker from Rapid Vienna, Stephan Meierhoffer. Does anyone remember him from last Thursday? He was their number 9. I reckon he would have been a decent shout. Better than Heskey anyway!! |
jaywillis
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... if collins is coming in aswell as dunne then its a decent signing, if he's coming in instead of dunne then its a joke. i think dunne is a decent replacement for laursen, big character, born leader and a very good defender. id rather sign dunne and have clark as back up instead of sign collins, which makes me think the dunne deal is dead. also we really need to sign a playmaker but i cant see MON sign 3 players by 5pm tomorrow. |
scott harwood
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... trezzy if krancjars gone to spurs that means jenas is coming to villa,he wasnt in the squad saturday. |
steve keates
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... collins bid been accepted and he is going to bodymoor tommorro for medical!!! what a load of w**k. westham have said they only needed to sell one more player to balance books. so why dont we only bid for upson. collins, are you kidding. no better than knight and more expensive........great!!!! |
scott harwood
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... trezzy,injured or not i just think our signings depend on spurs movement which is a horrible place to be in.if nikos a defo i can see jermaine coming.as for his injury what about dj lol |
Trevor
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... how many goals this season from reo coker sidwell & petrov, 10 between them tops, we need a centre midfielder who can score goals and pick a pass |
Mark
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... ho yeah i dont mind if he is, its not a bad 1 i hear? but my fear is that collins is coming instead of dunne now? |
Trevor
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... come on guys be positive, 3 wins in a week, and we are still looking to bring faces in, and DJ stew and bouma back will be like 2 new signings |
Mark
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... scott, what do you reckon, spurs to get petrov and kranker and give us jenas and bentley? |
Shauny B
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... Trezzy. VDV isnt going anywhere, Real Madrid had a change of heart and have given him the number 23 shirt. Hes now back training with the full RM squad. |
Mark
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... im being positive, mon has been to see collins plenty of times,if hes gud enough for mon im happy with it. just think we need jenas for goals and bentley to be ableto rest milner and possible young now and then? |
toxytag
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... Spurs are close to signing Kranjcar and Martin Petrov and we are after James Collins that really says it all i think top 6 this year wont be possible  |
jamo
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... Collins stuff isn't on official site yet, save a 20 goal striker i'd be happy with just collins and dunne. Dont think we need anyone else till jan. |
Oli
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... I think he means martin petrov, but to be honest i would rather have Krankjar and bentley. |
Mark
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... i mean martin petrov from city, apparantly they want him. plus krankjer and give us jenas,bentley |
Michael panizza
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... Trezzy - yeah, why not give Spurs Carew and A.Young for O'Hara and Dawson next |
Trevor
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... ok chaps what about players out the door? Gardener? Shorey? Heskey?? hope not but maybe? |
scott harwood
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... im glad ur being positive trezzy but after the start of the season debacle and mon and the boys pulling it out of the fire,collins isnt gonna give me and 99% of all the villa fans a lot of excitement! |
Mark
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... well i cant see him playing myself, especially if dunne does come, cuellar,dunne and davies all infront of i feel? |
Oli
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... I think th lack of big name signings is the reason why are crowd levels are so low this year. |
scott harwood
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... sorry trezzy,now u r talking.i rate petrov.has he signed for spurs?as i say,as much as it pains me we have to wait for ballbag face before we make our moves!what a horrible position 2 be in!second fiddle 2 spurs |
vdv
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... vdv coming then. even mon is not stupid enough to let kranjar go to spurs when thats the kind of player we need. dunne deal, mon mucked that up as well. collins, mmmmm. collins vdv pavulechenko |
kieron
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... Someone has just told me that it has said on SSN that we are also interested in Danny Collins from Sunderland and are set to hijack stoke's bid. Can anyone confirm? Its all so confusing? |
Steve Hadley
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... I would be gutted if we sign Jenas, he is a pile of horse w**k! Furthermore, I just don't see how Bentley would fit into our team either?? I am with the majority on here, if Collins is coming in for cover, no problems, but if it's because Dunne has changed his mind, that would be pants! |
Eoin Greene
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... Sorry but if we sign Collins - it will be a staggering statement of our lack in ambition. I will be sickened if MoN doesn't pull off at least one decent siging tomorrow.... |
Mark
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... scott, they have enquired apparantley? thats all it says for the minute? maybe im just dreaming, cant see mon signing 3 players in 24 hours lol. maybe its just collins. your right about petrov though, lovely left peg. wrong side of 30 though isnt he? and not english so we are screwed lol |
Trevor
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... eoin, if collins was our only signing , but if we get dunne and collins, i think that would be an exceptable transfer window |
paul villa
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... i agree with the point on why we are having such small crowds what scares me is why cant randy and mon see it we need a marque player some one with a bit of flair whats the point of incrasing the capacity when we dont even fill it at the moment |
Marcus Cottrell
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... We Should've gone all out for Distin and Dunne.. Collins is shi*e. Upson is another ex blues player!!! and the current one we have is rubbish.... We need 2 centre halves, a creative midfielder in the Merson mould, ie Van Der Vaart, who is available, and a striker... We should've gone for Michael Turner from Hull, who's gone to Sunderland and I think Fraizer Campbell would've been a good signing.. he will be like Defoe... |
toxytag
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... Should we not be buying West Hams best defender (Upson) not there third choice injury prone defender i thought we were trying to improve our squad to think we used to have Cahill on the bench now we will have Collins thats a backwards step if you ask me! |
gareth
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... cant believe were going for collins this is are ambition the guy is no better than knight i believe in MON but now i am having serious doubts the money could of been spent elseware attacking midfielder collins wot a joke i'm disgusted if reports that we have made a offer are true anyone wanna buy my season ticket better still i will throw it at MON PERSONALLY another panic buy |
robb david
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... Word is in spain two bids from non cl english clubs accepted for VDV, 12 million euros. speculation was that the two clubs were spurs and everton. Everton have confirmed no interest in VDV. Must be city or villa As i understand Our interest Relies on bringing in an experienced centre back first. The Dunne deal should go through but Man City are wrangling over the value of the player. There will be furthur spending before 5pm tommorow. Most likely will be Dunne and one other creative midfielder, potentialy VDV if we can pip spurs to the post. If the Dunne deal falls through expect upson and no other signings of any note. This is what i have heard, from a source about as reliable as the back page of the mirror. Although i checked out the VDV thing, there have deffinatly been two english bids accepted. |
TrueVillan
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... FFS! collins! zat is better than him and is villa through and through! this is typical of our last minute bargain buy shit! whats happened with dunne? no one even mentions him on SSN, kranjar going to spurs, they get an injury to key midfielder and 24 hours later have quality cover! we sell barry 3 months ago and f**k all! and sorry, delph looks a great prospect, but not yet ready unless MON really has a massive surprise under his belt then for me this has been a crap transfer window and more ground lost to competition! |
Chris Platt
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... According to reports Madrid have told VDV he is staying in Madrid, and have now given him a squad number, his #23 back. The two concrete bids from England came from Spuds and Everton |
gareth
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... vdv 2 english clubs made bids never stated they were accepted or i read it wrongly please show me the link that states that both english club bids was accepted |
Shauny B
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... ronrabbit. VDV is staying at Real. Rafael states the following to Fobazo and his official web site: |
vdv
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... do mon and learner have ambition. spurs have got kranjar, a player we need. they got crouch, keane and defoe when they were available when we needed a goal scorer, there squad has strength in depth full with quality. its about time we start to sighn quality. laurson and barry still not been replaced. vdv available for cheap in mind for how good he is and we dont go for him, dunne and upson avalible but we go for coloins. we need a quality striker but i cant remember the last time we were linked with one. MON AND LEAFNER START DOINING SOMETHING GREAT AND STOP BUILDING THIS CLUB SO SLOWLY THAT WE HAVE STARTED TO BACKWORDS. SPEED UP AND GET AMBITION LIKE MAN CITY OR SPURS. WE HAVE CASH SO SPEND IT ON QUALITY. |
Adam Williams
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... Collins??? iv just got in and saw this story! whats happening? where is dunne? collins better not be instead of dunne! i cant see us getting anyone with real quality this late in the window. was oping to get get 2-3 more faces in. id like to get jenas if krankjar has gone to spurs now. |
KeithC
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... Truevillan, perhaps MON bought his Barry replacements already when he bought Reo-Coker, Sidwell, Delph and Downing. You can't deny that against Liverpool and Fulham, the trio of Sidwell, Petrov and Reo-Coker showed a lot more steel than Villa did anytime Gareth was in the side. And Delph's shown some flashes of creativity far brighter than Barry in his two starts- he just needs the time to mature. |
Chris Platt
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... I found this, doesn't state that the club rejected bids though http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/soccer/08/31/rafael.van.der.vaart/index.html |
gareth
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... that link recieved to concrete offers from everton and spurs nothink about offers being accepted or rejected probaley just journo speculation as usual |
scott harwood
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... get a grip ronrabbit,at the VERY most it will be coliins,dunne and jenas.im expecting just collins to tell u the truth! |
Vijay Daryanani
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... Sunderland have shown more ambition than us this transfer window and signed some very good players |
Aston Thriller
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... im not being negative, im not being anti MON, but as much as i would love to have van der vaart at VP, when have we ever been linked with him?, why do people think that MON even knows who he is? the only time ive ever heard us named in the same breath is in the usual lazy reporting jobs, where us, everton, and spuds all get linked with any player not good enough for the top 4! would love to see it happen, doubt it though! |
gareth
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... why oh why does MON leave it till last min every window and then panic buys apart from warnock to date we have not had a player who can step straight into squad and improve us now not in 3months or 6months 12months time dj delph where is barry's replacement ? and im assuming dunne is laursens replacement ? |
vdv
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... learner and oneill this is ASTON VILLA FOOTBALL CLUB a team that should be at the top, fighting for 4th place, a team that should be winning silverware, a team that should make fans think villa are a force, a team that should be spending big cash on quality players, not ronaldos, or teveses, people like vdv, upson and and keane. THIS IS ASTON VILLA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Mike Carter
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... How in gods name have we missed out on Kranjcar? £2.5m? That's an absolute steal, the biggest bargain in recent times. I've been willing to give MON as much time as anyone, but I'm getting seriously pissed off now. |
robb david
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... Im only saying what i have been told, its not reliable, its just a rumour. On the VDV thing, he has repeatadly said he wanted to move to germany or england because of the superior health care available in contrast to Italy and spain. I think the Madrid release is just a clarification incase he doesnt leave before the window shuts. I think he will leave, and i live in hope it will be for the villa |
Oli
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... Did anyone actually think we would sign VDV. i mean come on, just look at Mons transfer history and does any of it suggest we would get a player like him. i Told everyone expect some panic buys in the last days for absolute drivel, and wahey, collins is on the radar. lets face it, teams like everton and spurs are signing big big name foriegn players, but we dont ever go for these sorts. its a blessing that MON is such a good manager, becuase if the league table was determined by transfers we would be relegated. but somehow we sign absolute crap every transfer window and still have amazing seasons. |
Greg
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... i think i know why oneill leaves his signings late. Sure i can ramble and find great reasons why he does this, and try and make it look like the man has almighty vision, but in reality i think its this. Starve the fans all summer of information of potential targets. Leave frustraion grow. Leace panic set in. Make bids for the likes od Dunne and collins. The fans are so worried about the fact we've still got the smallest squad in the league, we rejoice to hear dunne is coming. After all the waiting this is like signing zidane in his prime. Make an offer for collins. Again there is no anarchy or revolt in protest to this shite baldy semi red haired glass hammer. Fans think our genius manager has an ace up his sleeve to sign gareth barrys and martin laursens replacement. Transfer window closes and we are told we had bid for vermaelan, sneidjer, van der vaart, kranjar and hangeland. All bids were refused at the last minute. We have just being lied to again by the club but keep hope for january. Then repeat cycle for next summer, then repeat cycle for the rest of our lives. Ps i actually think oneill is a good manager and dunne a good player. f**king sickend at no proper announcements today. I want a singing that will make me piss my pants in excitement not shit my pants in disgust. |
parisianrob
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... Real Madrid midfielder Rafael van der Vaart will not be sold before the summer transfer window closes. It had been thought that the Netherlands international would be one of the players that would be sacrificed following Real's acquisitions of Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Karim Benzema and Xabi Alonso earlier in the summer. The 26-year-old had been havily linked with a move to England with Manchester City, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenall mooted as possible destinations. However, after Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder left the Bernabeu recently, Manuel Pellegrini's squad is now down to a manageable 25 players. Van der Vaart's lawyer, Robert Geerlings, told Dutch magazine Voetbal International: "Rafael has been asked to stay at Real. "The squad has been cut down to 25 players and that made the club decide that Rafa doesn't have to leave anymore. For us, it was surprising and Rafael has decided to fight for his place in Madrid." Van der Vaart was linked with transfers to Besiktas, Everton and Tottenham Hotspur over the summer but will now remain in the Spanish capital. |
gareth
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... the vdv story did state he wanted the best care available for wife and that would determine is move however if real have now decided to keep him then obviously the health care is sorted cos wife would of already been getting that in madrid hardly think "heartlands" or ""no hope" would be ideal medical care i think its safe too say our wishes on that transfer will not be granted |
Sean
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... wow I wake up to this. the best thing to hope for is west ham to reject the bid we waited all summer for our cb signing and it looks danny collins is it. Seriously mon is this the best we can get. as for spurs and kranjcar great bit of business,if mon was half as astute as redknapp in the transfer market I'd be happy |
vdv
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... learner and oneill. the fantastic villa fans on this blog and around other places have said we need to sighn quality and they are spot on because they love this club and know what they are saying. pundits have said it as well. please listen two the fans, they know what they are on about, they have even said players names and they have NOT been redicules, they have been the quality we should be getting. so please listen to them. |
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... Have faith in MON guys. He knows what he's doing in the transfer market and will bring in quality to improve us.. |
daniel wheeler
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... nothing spectacular to be expected between now and 5pm tuesday. poor window imo, not a great deal of ambition showed by mon or lerner. were no better off now than when we started. |
Michael panizza
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... We need a manager aware of what's happening outside of England, it pains me to say but MON seems to be stuck in Brian Clough's managerial days. With respect to Clough. I like MON but Collins - if verified as a reliable rumour - is desperation. Months to prepare targets and this is the best we can do? |
Sean
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... Bentley,jenas,Dunne I'd be content with these 3, most likely none of them will happen |
bad boy villa fan
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... all i can say is mon disappoints in every tranfer window. y havent we replaced laursen or barry? |
Oli
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... Do you honestly believe that AA. to imagine we could of got sneijder and VDV for the same price we paid as Beye, downing, delph and warnock. I know which combination i would have prefered. whos to say they would of come, but something tells me if we had offers accepted for both and they knew they could play alongside each other they would of been up for it. |
confusedvillafan
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... after what redknapp did to portsmouth why the fck have they sold their best players to the cnut |
gareth
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... AA we do have faith in mon but when you see bids for collins going in can you say thats quality |
toxytag
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... We could have got Vagner Love aswell he went back to Brazil on a years loan! how do we always miss out on quality players that are coming into there prime not youngsters or players going into there 30s |
gareth
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... if we go for players that are quality and we lose out too other clubs for them thats fine at least it shows ambition do you see man-u chelsea liverpool arsenal making bids for the likes of collins NO you dont says it all really we have no ambition the fans do but the club dont |
Shauny B
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... I don't understand why people keep mentioning Bentley. Why do we need him where would he fit in??? We need a no nonsense team commanding CB and a 20 a season striker. They're the two massive holes in the squad still to be filled. |
vdv
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... spurs abition, man city abition, sunderland abition top four always have abition everton have had and still do have abition. why ?. because they spend cash on very good players. sunderland have more abition than us. why arnt villa up there because learner and oneill dont care and dont have a clue. |
Ronan Kenny
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... Same old boaring shite from MON, hes probably waiting for the nod from Harry to sign Jenas (whos no better than what we already have). And people wonder why there was alot of empty seats on Sunday. Is it to much to ask for us to sign someone technically gifted??? Jenas is shite |
Steve
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... I love MoN as a manager but surely take Turner over Collins?!! Why not bid for kranjcar? Modric is injured for 6 weeks and gets replaced, Barry is gone completely and still no replacement! Also the fact we clearly got screwed over by Distin and Dunne seems to be taking ages is a real worry! Should have got Bentley, Bent, Turner to go alongside Warnock, Delph, Downing! VDV and Schnjeider are never going to be a MoN signing so no point contemplating them! |
scott harwood
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... penalty call a bit brutal.the qe is leading the way in europe 4 cancer,especially when the new building is opened.ok i digress im absolutely devode about niko,as regular posters know ive been banging that drum 4 ages.i just think jenas or bentley have 2 be coming! |
Alan Bridgment
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... AA said Have faith in MON guys. He knows what he's doing in the transfer market and will bring in quality to improve us.. ---------- Remind me again about the last transfer market then ?????????? last min was heskey, correct me if i'm wrong, me thinks maybe the same again. |
Andy
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... I cant find a link anywhere on the internet to tell me Kranjcar has signed for spiurs, but I can look above and read 10 people telling me theyve got him. When the truth is theyre linked with him, and may have vid, thats all, stop your whining if you're anti villa, anti mon, or rl, then find a new club to support/ |
gareth
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... SCOTT1 yeah i agree with ya post the qe is tops my own kids were born heartlands also was in special care unit there they did a wonderful job and do every day of the year i didnt mean to put the hospitals of our city down just dont think if i was a rich talented footballer and my wife needed specialist treatment birmingham is what i would settle for |
Ronan Kenny
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... x_andeh He hasnt signed yet but sky sports are saying deal is close to being done. |
gareth horton
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... jenas is not shite he is not worldclass but he is better than sidwell gardner osbourne now all them three r shite jenas would therefore improve the squad he is mobile will get u more goals than all of the above put 2gether if he an bentley came the squad would defo be better imo |
vdv
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... shows how much abition we have if we go for spurs rejects. mon thinks this is abition marshel- we will never see him downing- from a relagated club delph- from leauge one. will COME very good. beye- from relagated club warnock- u never hear of him barry and laurson still not replaced. abition my ars |
paul villa
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... what about mr defour nothing anywhere bout him maybe a good bet young and very talented |
Billy7
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... Are we gonna sign Dunne? what is the hold up? Collins is ok for 4th choice, we're not having him instead of Dunne sureley? Hope we sign Dunne, Collins, Jenas and would like a suprise. i doubt it though, we had a bid accepted for Dunne and STILL he hasn't signed so if we have a bid accepted today or tomorrow for anyone else, they wont agree terms until January. i must say if we dont sign a @hard, tough tackling, experienced leader, (Dunne) as a CB then the window has been unacceptable. i am getting pissed off , like someone said, Laursen been gone enough time for us to line up a replacement, have we really gone from Distin to Dunne to Collins? |
toxytag
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... Anyone know why Harewood is still a Villa player surely he could do a job for Notts county! If i had a choice between Dunne Collins or Turner id take Turner every time why cant we attract good players |
adam james
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... okay so we beat liverpool at anfield, using players that have bedded into the squad, gabby scores an excellent goal yesterday and looks tons more efficient in the 4-5-1 formation as he did last year, coker and petrov have been revelations, clark came in played awesomely, we have delph, bannan and albrighton on the bench, downing to come in when fit, carew waiting for his chance, bar one below par performance this season - if we win our game in hand we'll be on a par with man utd - BUT STILL we have the naysayers, the people who seem to delight in when we do badly so they can say 'told you so' and the o'neil knockers. Im not in the camp where everything martin says is gospel, but seriously who else would you have. Villa have been consistently getting better since he took over - i think some people have forgotten exactly how bad it used to be. I dont support mon, I dont support specific players i support Aston Villa FC, give or take what comes with it. You dont rate players? well good for you - go play FM and really show mon how to do his job - bring your print outs and everything!! Realistically though we get collins, maybe dunne i'd be happy. We are never going to get players like VDV and if we do i'll be the first to say im wrong, but these people saying 'buy him' 'why havent we bought him' well how do you know they would be happy to come, fit into the team or adjust to the league? quaresma was bunk at chelsea, and thats with him going into a team with players above and beyond our talents and lots of other teams talents. Hangeland isnt coming, no reason to put in a bid because i'd be very surprised if he hasnt already agreed in principal to join another top 4 team next transfer window/summer, hodgson knows that he wouldnt be able to get a replacement without a bit of time so probably will have agreed for him to leave without fuss as long as he waits it out, bit like ronaldo/alonso deals. I would be happy with 5th or 6th place again - realistically we are not going any higher and im happy at that, a year in the early stages of the champions league could and prob would be disasterous for us, just look at blackburn, newcastle and leeds for the warnings there. I would be happy with consolidation and a cup, league or fa, both of those hold a more important place in my heart as a villa supporter than go into the chumps league where we would only cause ourselves loads of problems. look at our teams performance over the last 3 matches why are we worrying? If I supported man city I may worry because yes they are 4 from 4 but they look 1 dimensional and its not even as if they've been playing top teams, and adebyor may be scoring now but how long till his first tantrum, sulky evening, feeling the cold a bit etc. I think our team is plenty good enough, we don't need marquee signings to disrupt the team spirit or dressing room. So stop bitching on about who we have bought and who we should have bought and who we definitely shouldnt have bought and get on with supporting the bloody team! |
scott harwood
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... sorry penalty call a bit of the big c knocking about personally at the moment!and xandeh im only going on what people on this site say.hey villans stop f*ckin lying lol either niko has signed or not.give us something CONCRETE LOL! |
toxytag
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... Just a thought lads have Notts County signed a better defender then we are going to get? |
Alan Bridgment
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... Only just got up over here, but would like to say a quick word on Dunne - If man city say no to the payout, guess what, he will stay and get the big payout next year. would any of you leave and lose 2m plus behind just for one season - no. he could sit on the bench, still get paid, get his big day payment and leave next year. Does that make sense or not. like I said i've just got up. |
TrueVillan
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... piece in vital villa from west ham fan,re collins, states 'very strong in the air, a no nonsense centre half, the turning circle of a tractor though.........' further proof MON knows nothing about defenders!the quality we once had, melberg, laursen and bouma were all inherited by MON, he has since weakened us season after season in defence, and if collins is the only CB we get and davies(who is also shit!) has to have an operation, then that will be the reason we fail this year! still a few hours to go, and against all expectation and previous windows, i still hope 4 some quality signings, but once again we compete for players that teams like stoke and hull want, why? we should look at players the quality of spurs, yet never do! |
gareth
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... SCOTT1 sorry to hear that m8t and i should of been more sensitive on the subject sincere oppologies |
Ronan Kenny
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... Alan B Its a world cup year for Dunne so he needs to be playing, so id say he will cut a deal with City before the deadline, probably wont get as much as he wants. |
gareth
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... Alan.B i think he would prefer to play regular than bench warm these footballers have more money than they ever gonna need in life if man-c do not settle then i can see dunne still leaving but not on happyy terms and what sort of message does that give out too players of the future for citie come play for us and we will $hit on ya after 10years service |
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... hehe you guys.....did you not see the after what I wrote...! What has happened to all those that have been saying for weeks that 'MON knows best and he will have targets to really improve us' and the those sceptics will have 'egg on there faces' when MON shows how good he is with transfers..! Mind you, there's still a few hours left to buy some quality.. I really want to hear from the MON faithfull tomorrow night, when we don't sign at least one real decent player to take us forward or replace ML and GB..! But hey oh, we have finished 6th the last two seasons and bloody hell we have strung two league wins together, so YES WE CAN.. |
Alan Bridgment
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... The Black Pearl & penalty call ----- thanks for the feed back, am going of to work now so wish you all a good evening and hope that when I get on tonight that we have some good news = up the villa |
toxytag
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... look lets be honest we cant compete in the transfer window with Spurs, Everton ,Sunderland ,Man city or even Stoke so why do people think we should finish ahead of them in the league we just need to face facts we are now a mid table side buying the players other teams dont want. |
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... Jamo Have to repeat faangler awesome post we are cut with the same cloth my dear man well done! |
WOODYO
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... i am fed up to tje back teeth with this boring, deluded, out-of touch with anything football, t**t of a manager. i have been saying this for 18 months or more, the bloke has non conception of transfer dealings whatsoever, he' CRAP I said 3 weeks ago that nothing would happen in this window the same as all the others, because ha hasn't got a clue!!!! we are scraping the barrell if collins is the best he can do, nothing against collins, but how long has no-deal took to think this one up, why not show a bit more ambition and try for upson, why does he always deal with tranfers from british clubs he obviously hasn't got a clue about oversea's talent. we have dropped to the depths of competing with hull, stoke etc for players. if this is the sort of ambition he has we are in the shit!!! also we have a bigger problem, because if the board think this is the way to go, we are doomed. how long will the likes of ash young, carew, milner etc stick around with this lack of ambition at the club, we will become a selling club, thats if wer'e not already. just one other thing, i saw martin no-deal out shopping the other day, yes youv'e guessed it......he was in ALDI, THE TRIPE HE WAS LOOKING FOR WAS TOO EXPENSIVE IN SAINSBURY'S. LOL GET YOUR FINGERS OUT, NO-DEAL & LERNER, WE DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS. TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THOSE EMPTY SEATS, KEEP LOOKING BECAUSE THERE WILL BE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Dave
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... The Black Pearl - no offence chief but i don't think Trappatoni is that blessed with options that he wouldn't play Dunne even if he was to sit on the bench at Man City all season long. I don't understand why we'd buy Jenas - it doesn't make sense to me at all. Why is Harewood still at Villa? |
Nigel Allen
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... I disagree toxytag. We have spent more money than Man U, does that mean that Man U can't compete with us! The fact of the matter is that we are builing on a quality base where the likes of Stoke & Sunderland are not. We alreayd have Young, Milner, Petrov, Cuellar, Carew, Brad * 2, Sidwell & NRC that would all be 1st choice players for Stoke and Sunderland. We have since added Downing, Delph & Warnock who are all quality. Your attitude is typical of the Boo boy mentality that is doing its best to undermine our team, our manager, our club and our descent start to the season. Try and be positive and support the team rather than whinging |
toxytag
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... Is anyone watchin the Newcastle match there young striker looks class think his name is Ranger |
Ronan Kenny
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... The Burp Your probably right there Dunne would play for Ireland but i think Dunne himself knows he needs to be playing week in week out to be at his fittest and best, i also think Trapatoni would encourage him to join villa if he asked his advice. Jenas is a mystery to me too, very inconsistent (1 good game in  and i wouldnt class him as much better than sidwell. He certainly isnt an adequate replacment for Barry. |
gareth
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... WOODYO i saw martin no-deal out shopping the other day, yes youv'e guessed it......he was in ALDI, THE TRIPE HE WAS LOOKING FOR WAS TOO EXPENSIVE IN SAINSBURY'S. LOL dont know what you do for a living at the min m8t but should u need to take up another occupation in the future stand up should be the way too go p.s you aint a bluenose are ya |
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... if we have collins instead of dunne i will start chanting oneil out !! by 3:00 tomorrow if we dont have dunne or collins in i think well sign no1 We NEEED to sign a attacking midfielder ot stricker i know he unsettles players and not our fav man but harry rednapp must be the best manager in the prem spurs fans now each window theyll have BIG players in spurs in - kranjer , defoe , crouch , keane , bassong , modric ect Big names player since harry took over villa - harewood , knight , cuellar , routledge , heskey i hear alot of people saying mon is a great manager but he cant handle big players Tommoow at 5 oclock we will all be dissapointed while happy spurs fans are celebrating |
toxytag
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... Yeah we have spent alot of money but we still cant attract quality players in there mid twenties in there prime unlike Spurs, Everton or Sunderland. Im behind MoN 100% because we cant attract the quality players but we are still able to compete in the league with those teams just shows how good our manager is but i just cant see us being able to finish above them every year |
scott harwood
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... give mon ballbag faces transfer acumen and hes the best manager in the prem! |
gareth
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... i remember when harewood got a hatrick for west-ham against villa just shows you how $hit we were back then compared to now |
adam james
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... I also remember when people used chant 'out' for proper reasons, you know like not winning games, being relegated and the like - not 'you've only spent £2o million' hmm. |
Ronan Kenny
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... penalty call Harewood got 20 goals in that season so it wasnt just us he was scoring against. |
Trevor
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... Zaki, will join us tomorrow 4 million, along with Dunne Collins and Jenus...no proof just what i feel will happen |
gareth
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... the black pearl must be the villa curse then cos he aint hit 20 for us since he's been here  |
VillaDude
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... Collins is Zat Knight's replacement. Dunne is being targeted as Laursen's replacement. MON wants 4 centre backs with experience and quality - he will bring Clark in - but very slowly. People want hangleand etc, but collins will be 4th choice, remember he spent 8m on Davies and 8m on Cuellar - so these players will be fighting for the starting positions with Collins as backup. Don't expect a top international as 4th choice. As midfielders go, only player mon wants is Jenas, but now modric is injured dont expect that. There is no possiblity VDV will be signed - get real people! No strikers will come, as we will prob only play 1 upfront and already have 5 in our squad, no one wants marlon - due to the stupid contract MON signed him on! - why would marlon half his wages and sign for Hull when now he has the easiest job in the country - he don't even make the bench! 2 CB's and not much more by Tuesday....Pretty much a standard MON transfer window. |
Steve Badger
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... Steve the toff, Bricking it now mate. Some of the shit we're linked with, I despair. I'm praying we bring in a decent player, just one. How are you mugs doing? I'll bet Moyes pulls a trick off |
Nigel Allen
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... I wish the transfer window was scraped. Every transfer window too many people just moan and say we are buying rubbish players and not buying enough players etc etc etc. Take a step back and think where we were when MON took control. Just compare our team and squad. It is completely rebuilt, young and full of promise. Yes we would all love a VDV but we have to be realistic. We need to build on the base we have and we MUST qualify for CL before those type of plyers will come to VP. Trust in MON and he will get us there. |
paddy62
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... will yis all MON look at everton they rushed into the market last year to sign the afro and paid 15m for him, he's a 5-7m player at best. |
Dave
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... Is it just UK transfers that can take place tomorrow? If so does this mean that we definitely cannot sign anyone from abroad after midnight tonight? (not that I'm expecting us to) |
adam james
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...Skab0y said: I personally don't think zaki would improve us at all, so I'd say no |
Nigel Allen
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... Zaki would be most welocome. He can score and would add competition. The Hare doesnt get a game and Heskey (the England striker!) must be #3 behind Gabby & Carew. Zaki, Dunne, Collins & one nice surprise would be a good day tomorrow |
Trevor
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... we have until 5pm tomorrow to register transfers, because the fa offices are closed on bank holiday monday (this is for players within the EU) |
andrewvillamadj
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... if we sign defour zaki dunne upson and vanger love we could in my opinion challenge for 2nd or 3rd instead of bringing downign beye deplh all that crap buy them then we would be a big club again would have cost us about 45m friedel l.young upson dunne warnock a.young defour petrov milner love carew bench - curtis , zaki , gabby , carlos , nigel reo coker , sidwell But Dont worry we have jokers like habib beye but atleast hes better than a player brought in for 12m and out for most of the season |
Trevor
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... i just have a feeling Zaki (if i remeber right we offer 12mill a while back??)) so mon was interested so may be again at a knocked down price..plus he has a point to prove, maybe a bargain signing IMO |
gareth
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... damien Martin O'Neill is no mug, he'll have his Gareth Barry replacement lined up and he'll move to a five man midfield so where is he ? were still waiting and window is due to shut in less than 24 hours |
Steve Badger
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... r0bb0, Badger, has taglor logged onto your computer? Not at all mate, the man is entitled to his opinions, but is an utter fool,imo, as I've said many times I'd burn his computer before he managed to hit mine, no worries We really are that close though, imo. And I fear we're going to miss a big chance. We need a top class attacking CM . And it's not just me saying it. MON still has my utter undivided faith though, no worries. He's the man |
Steve Hadley
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... I just heard Barry Silk on SSN talking about the Dunne transfer and why it is dragging on...he seems to think it's not only the severance pay from Man City, but more likely to be a few other clubs have come in for him!! I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if Collins is our only signing!! |
Trevor
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... Zaki has the ablility to score 20 a season, just needs a man manager,, he is young made a mistake and got punished (we all make them, i would with 20k a week in my pocket) just think given the oportunity and a bit of faith could be a massive player for £4million, which is a bargain, even if it didnt work out |
scott harwood
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... vital loans maybe u r interested in consolidating all ur payments lol but if ur choices come in ill be pissed! |
Nigel Allen
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... Maybe I a accepting the crumbs but I am trying to be realistic as to what we are trying to achieve. We are building and in fairness we are improving. 16th -> 11th ->6th ->6th. We are not going to try and compete for top 4 just yet but in time we will. However, it will not be by acquisition eg City & Spurs but it will be through gradual positive development in the current team eg Downing, Young, Milner & Delph. When we do get to the top 4 then we can attrach VDV etc |
Nigel Allen
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... Just see Pompey look like getting Ben Haim on a freebie from City. Surely he would be just as good a backup for us rather than collins and then spend the cash on someone else |
Greg
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... just heard on the radio spurs have signed kranjar ffs, i bet its being breing all summer, esp since they got ohara on loan. |
Trevor
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... vijay, as i said above i think Zaki would do a job (better target man then Heskey) and in our price range,,,,but we are all intitled to our opinions :-) |
Sean
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... where has all the talk of zaki come from?? cant see it myself he have 4 strikers who are internationals |
TrueVillan
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... still hopin for the big signings, but if not, how in gods name we stood by while players like huth, tuncay, turner, kranjcar, distin went to clubs smaller or no bigger than ours, is beyond me! once again MON appears to just sit, watch and wait, its all well and good saying in MON we trust, but this will be his 6th or 7th window and he still buys alongside the weaker premeirship teams, never the top teams i accept we have moved on, but at some point you need the quality to make the next step up, and even when we were fourth in the league we never siged anyone but heskey, a player who finished our challenge and who continues to weaken the team every time he is allowed to play! |
Vijay Daryanani
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... for me harry is the best wheeler dealer in the transfer market, has good foreign contacts too |
cjvillacyprus
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... weaker team than last year cannot see us lasting until december before we start going down hill this oneill HAS TO BRING IN 3 new players by 1 cb 1 attaking midfield and 1 20 goal a season striker not getting these is not an option |
Will
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... dunne, collins and maybe a surprise for us tomorrow i hope, cant wait for the window to be over now and we can get back on with just playing football |
TrueVillan
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... just seen other truevillan, he does not use a capital T and V, so gets around using my name! get rid of him! |
toxytag
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... I think id prefer Bramble then Collins yeah Zaki would be great but id say MoN would have to get rid of Harewood first |
Damian
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... i was referencing truevillan above who claimed to see craig bellamy then a comment or two later then said ´whatever truevillan´ as truevillan |
Nigel Allen
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... Harry is not necessairly the best wheeler dealer but he certainly knows how to spend money. If you are given unlimited or relatively unlimited funds it is not that difficult to build a good squad. Harry has spent a bloody fortune in Spurs. We are operating within our means and it is probably a better long term strategy. In 5 yrs or 10 yrs one of these clubs that are operating at a huge loss and spending silly money and generating a massive wage structure will be gone. Look at Leeds! We are doing the right thing for the future In saying all that I do find MON hugely frustrating and I wish he would buy earlier and be a little less stingy with the cash. |
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... Wow once again some of the negative comments from many on here amazes me (by now it shouldn't). The day Barry left our club many (and there were many) came on here sprouting that he was over rated, hadn't had a good season in the last campaign and could easily be replaced. Now the same people come on saying how pathetic MON is for not replacing him sufficiently. What, have all these players now decided he was the best player in the world? For the record I always felt Barry would be a huge loss and actually thought he had been a fantastic player for us during the last few seasons. BUT I was delighted with the acquisitions of Downing and Delph who I believe will replace Barry. Why do so many continue to think MON needs to replace Barry? Yes a creative CM needs to be brought in but know one on this site ever thought Barry was that creative CM and so many used to criticise him. Please some of you stop using Barry as the transfer saga that MON hasn't replaced. Downing is injured until around Dec now I don't think that is most of the season is it?! Be patient as long as we can continue all the lines we are going and if we are in the mix at Christmas Downing will be a massive plus for us. |
Oli
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...TrueVillan said: Couldn't agree more. Just imagine all the other big name players we missed out on aswell. |
Vijay Daryanani
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... we should have harry buying our players and mon managing the team then we'd win the premiership!! |
PAUL HUNT
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... TrueVillan & TheColonel Okay exactly which of huth, tuncay, turner, kranjcar, distin did we miss out on? As far as I am aware the only player that had any substantiate rumours about was Distin now surely if we get Dunne (as it looks like we will) who would you prefer. I might not be Dunne's biggest fan but I know which one I would go for. Turner had one good season, round of applause for him, not good enough to be a regular at Villa and if your going to pay the fee required for him you would be looking to make him a regular starter. Do you really rate huth, tuncay, turner, kranjcar, distin as better acquisitions than Baye, Delph, Downing, Warnock and Dunne? If Dunne signs then 1st choice will be Dunne, Cuellar with Davis competing was fit now which big name defender will join us who is likely going to sit on the bench? Football fans seem to confuse a big name signing with a big, long foreign name? Yes I can buy Ronaldo when I play as Villa on Championship Manager but that doesn't make me think it could be done really. |
Damian
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... pth1 i dont think they are suggesting barry was the best thing since sliced bread, only that up until recently o´neill was still referring to barry and laursen and the need to replace them, and since then, has only brought in beye and warnock - hardly a centre back or midfielder |
Oli
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... The thing is Vijay, Spurs have a great scouting network comparable with the best teams in europe. That will undoubtedly help harry a lot. Even their backroom staff with there directors of football and such help a lot with this. they had a bid for sandro turned down a few days ago for 14m from internacional brazil. Do u think mon would ever spend that much on a defensive midfielder from brazil, im sure he has no clue about these types of players. he is too influenced by Clough that he only buys british based players and i suppose this will effect us in the long run. |
david
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... Badger, I think we've signed that attacking midfielder. His name is Delph. We're going to have to be a bit patient as he has some developing to do, but the early signs are good......oh hang on...I'm talking about Villa fans here.....patience is not one of the virtues we've been blessed with is it? In addition to Delph we have Downing but we'll have to be a little bit patient there...oh...dammit....same problem! |
david
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... Imagine it's the start of the transfer window. You're told you can swap Barry for Downing and Delph.......would you do it? |
Nik Skilton
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... I know there is still time to change, and im not being pessimistic, however, i dont think our squad is any stronger than last season at present. With Dunne and one other CB plus a midfielder like Jenas, we would have a stronger squad. MoN may have missed out on some players but did he actually want them? I have faith in the players he buys... just maybe not the amount. |
Nik Skilton
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...Martin O'Neill has moved to compensate for the potential loss of Curtis Davies for three months with the £5m signing of West Ham United defender James Collins. The Aston Villa manager will conclude the transfer of the Wales international in the next 24 hours, along with a £6m move for Manchester City defender Richard Dunne to significantly strengthen his defensive options. Guardian tomorrow.... |
PAUL HUNT
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... Fair point Damian but a large part of MON's quotes on both players has been more general in terms of the character traits that both had, the experience and leadership that has been lost. Granted he has said that Centre back is a priority but since Delph and Downing I do not recall him stating he needs to replace Barry in terms of his playing role. Why buy two midfielders if neither of these are Barry's replacement otherwise? |
Vijay Daryanani
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... i would have liked tuncay and krancjar, can always get tuncay when stoke are relegated next season!! |
paul mclafferty
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... i think the lack of player signings is not down to mon but a lack of funds i honestly dont think lerner puts his hands in his pockets.. |
Nigel Allen
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... r0bb0, fully agree with you. There is no patience at this club and what is really annoying the lack of patience and foresight is aftually hurting the club. We need to support the club & manager 100% and help us move forward. Did you hear the Liverpool fans singing and cheering their team on when we were beating them, their manager is a tosser and is much worse than MON in the transfer market, the owners are worse tossers and yet the fans support the team and him 100%. We have a lot to learn |
Nigel Allen
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... Tomorrow's mirror is saying that Shorey is off to Pompey on loan. We could have dont an exchange for Krancjar |
Vijay Daryanani
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... holteend paul, i couldnt agree with u more, its not mon's fault, its all lerner and his yankie pals who are taking us for a ride, he is making money out of our club, that is not why he came here.......... |
david
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... A number of people are saying that we are not making signings and are worse off than last year. Do those sentiments really stand up though? We've lost Laursen, Barry, Knight and Taylor. Taylor has been directly replaced so let's put him to one side. We've brought in Downing, Delph, Beye and Warnock, so we're up in numbers at least. In addition to that, Clark and Albrighton have come through (plus a number of others including Lichaj who did well in the Peace cup). If we'd brought these two in for nothing and now seen what they are capable of in the full squad (at such a young age!) we'd be saying what a great job MoN had done to find them! Add to that Cuellar and Shorey looking so much improved and Reo back healthy and firing on all cylinders. PLUS...Milner just getting better and better, AND MoN now being more flexible with formations. ALSO, there may still be one or more signings still to come. I know Laursen has left large boots to fill, but really, if people cannot see any positive in our current situation then I think they ought to take a good hard look at themselves rather than at Aston Villa football club. |
Anthony Laud
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... What the f**k is going on! MON SAID himself after signing Beye that we needed 5 more players. well where the f uck are they??? Andy Marshall is theonly one! where is laursens replacement, where is barrys replacement, where is the top striker we still need. these were the priority positions at the start of the window and with 17 hours to go they still are. Mon has out done even himself this transfer window! all the happy clapper in Mon we trust brigade have been saying give him till the end of the window, he'll bring the players in, he knows we need more strength etc etc!!! well whats your excuse for him now? you all said you would slate him if he didnt. well he hasnt! but i guess we'll here from you all tomorrow saying you are pleased with his window now, we are songer than last year etc, even though all of you at the start of the window if offered the transfers in and out would of categorically declined them! get the players in now MON!!! |
Nigel Allen
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... r0bb0, I have said the same thing on this blog. The fans on here just dont seem to understand or see what is happening. I can understand that we would all like it to be a bit more dynamic and exciting in the transfer department but we are going the right direction. |
Nigel Allen
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... Downing, Delph and Warnock are 3 players that most of us would have said yes to at the start of the window |
david
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... A question to those fans that are unhappy with how things are going at Villa. Which clubs would you rather be supporting right now and why? |
Vijay Daryanani
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... robbo mate, i love villa, villa till i die, but must say a little envious of man city........ |
david
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... Vital Loans. You are right. There seems to be a lack of realism amongst a number of fans on here. I do think that some of the problem stems from the inflated levels of optimism that were generated when Doug gave way to Lerner and subsequently when we were flirting with a C.L slot. The optimism has turned to disappointment, and even anger amongst some fans to such a point that their instinct is now to look for the negative even when it is unjustified. |
Vijay Daryanani
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... who the hell brokered the man city deal and told the arab chap to buy them! |
rocky marciano
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... Vital Loans, would you have said WOW f**k me we`re signing Collins from west ham yeeees woohoo at the start of the transfer window? |
TrueVillan
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... pth 1 who said we would sign them instead off the players you named, for the most part we should sign them as well as those players! distin is better than dunne, even MON could see that and he was number one choice. kranjcar would give us something in midfield we lack tuncay would do like wise in attack and turner is much better than collins and we are paying not much less to get him! say what you like, i will say it again, MON has messed around with our defence, playing midfielders out of position, and buying crap! the best defenders we had, he inherited, they are now gone and we are left with his leader less, average band of panic merchants! |
david
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... vijay.....I reckon we can all relate to that (although envy is not an attractive vice). If I was a Man City supporter I would though have a nagging worry at the back of my mind that one day our owner may decide he wants to play with a new toy and we'll become the next Leeds or Southampton or Newcastle. I do like the fact that fans from many other clubs actually like and respect the Villa though and this goodwill would quickly evaporate if we became a middle Eastern plaything. |
rocky marciano
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... Robbo in your opinion where do you think we`ll finish this season,would you be happy with 8th |
Anthony Laud
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... sorry i forgot warnock! so by mons statement less than a month ago there must be 3 more signings in the next 17 hours! he said it himself so he better f$cking hurry up! |
david
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... rocky5 I wouldn't be happy with 8th but I do think that this could be a tough year and I think it's not impossible that we will end up in 7th or 8th. Mind you, last year I thought we'd end up between 8th and 10th and we finished 6th again so maybe deep down I'm not the optimist I like to think I am! If I was an Everton, Man Utd, Liverpool or Fulham fan I'd probably be thinking we'll struggle to match last year too, so on balance, as ever at the start of a new season it's all to play for and if we get behind the team we may still surprise ourselves. What is for sure though is that if we fans insist on becoming morose and negative this will rub off on the team and the results will be worse than they otherwise could be. I want the team to be looking forward to playing at Villa park...not dreading it! |
david
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... Tonebone. If MoN said he was hoping for 5 more signings then that's what he's been trying to do. What right do you have to say "he better ***** hurry up" ? If he can do it he will. If it dosn't work out it won't be for want of trying. Apart from Real Madrid and Man City, what other club has been able to get the exact players they want? Do you really need me to answer that for you? |
gareth
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... we lost taylor laursen barry knight we bought (marshall) (warnock) (delph) (dj downing) (beye) thats 1 up on last seasons squad numbers so far if we get dunne and collins thats 3 additional players up on last seasons squad numbers delph highly talented will be good in future decent asset even though we've not got the star named squad like chelsea etc we do have cover now in most positions if dunne n collins arrive, even thou i am dissapointed in transfers we are still stronger now than last season time will tell if its just in squad size or actually as a football team |
david
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... TrueVillain. Do you see any improvement in Cuellar this year? Do you think there's a chance that like Petrov, he needed a year to settle into the premiership and he can now show us why he was the darling of the Rangers fans? Did you see Clarke on Sunday? Do you remember when we had no right backs and no cover at left back? Have you watched Luke Young? Have you seen the improvement in Shorey? Have you heard what Blackburn fans say about Warnock? We have struggled in defence, but Damian for one will say that is at least in part down to lack of protection from the midfield. You may have some valid points to make, but when you state your case in such an emotional, exagerated way you destroy your argument. |
John Clark
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...r0bb0 said: God, thank you for the sanity, r0bb0. The window's closing, our usual cast of negative clowns has appeared, and it's all gone apocalyptic in the wee hours. |
John Clark
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...TrueVillan said: Who happened to win 3-1 at Anfield. Oh, I forgot. Liverpool were poor. These 3pts don't count, and the players are all still crap. |
stephen
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... whats with all the doom and gloom lads....last time i checked we had 6 points from 3 games...and we have cover for every position includin youngsters coming thru that show they can play with the big boys....lichaj,albrighton and clark all showed how well they can play and they are only in their early 20's....Proud History BRIGHT future...why spend money when we can just dip into the academy everynow and again |
parisianrob
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... Sorry to see everyones turned into a harry fan all of a sudden One thing about harry he buys buys buys at pompey he had little mones and he wheeled and dealed with players on loan etc thus almost bankrupted them in the process with expensive contracts At spurs he has money and now lining up two players to replace one with broken leg when he has jenus and bently warming the bench all in all harry will end up with a bunch of unhappy misfits and egos the dressing room will get lost and he will then move onto the next mug of a club so i think we will still finish above spurs and sunderland and everton this season yes man city will be a problem but they have scored only four goals this season would we be happy if MON had five or six strikers in and we only scored four goals lets get behind the lads stop the MON and lerner out posts at 5pm tomorrow and get positive again UTV villa till i die |
parisianrob
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... Also listen to kenyan at chelsea who is bitterly dissapointed in the chelsea academy structure and lack of kids coming through where are the spurs youngsters coming through there are only two clubs bringing young kids through villa and man utd UTV |
Faccundo
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... Monkeywrench You are one of the most astute observers on this site. While Spurs are being linked with VDV and Kranjcar, both excellent lockpickers, we have no connections to a substantial flair player. Barry has not been replaced. The result is a workmanlike midfield where we need 5 men to do the job of 4, and we sacrifice a striker. BTW Heskey is NOT a striker - so this may be a "blessing in disguise" much the same way as some morons claim being eliminated from Europe at the first hurdle to a League 2 outfit is a "blessing in disguise". I've been on about this all summer but indeed the vampires Liar Lerner and propaganda General Goebbels are now being exposed to the harsh light of day. Like a sundial who projections move us ever closer to the truth, each tick of the transfer window's arm brings the sunlight closer to their fetid flesh. At 5pm Tuesday their lies, rhetoric and jingoism will melt like so much of Dracula would when he is exposed to the light. Meanwhile, we'll all be left with the empty feeling of knowing they've denied our BRILLIANT MARSHALL MON to kick us on to the next level. 5th will be the very best we can achieve, though 7th will be more likely. How often will Real get rid of half their squad again? Look what Robben did for Bayern (brace) Sneider for Inter (4-0 derby win). They know this, that is why they forced MON to disavow the 5 year plan. General Goebbels said "aim high, shot high", "we back MON to 30m" and "we'll lift tropies" - none true, despite what Clarkamus says. MON now conrims there are no funds for transfers The "big plans" are now starting to be discredited amongst all fans as is evident from that most irrefutable of statistics - attendances at the ground, as more and more catch on. At the end of the window we lost our two best players and we get Clown Collins and mercenary drunk Dunne (who'd rather argue with shieks over 6m payoff than play football with the Villa and wants 56k/wk - this guy is as bad as Neill except he costs 8m extra). HE SCORES OWN GOALS FOR FUN AND GIVES PENALTIES AWAY LIKE CONFETTI AT SO MANY WEDDINGS, HE IS SLOW AS A ONE LEGGED SUMO AFTER 6 LITRES OF MILK - HE BELONGS IN SERIA A PLAYING FOR CATANIA. I'd rather give kids with heart like Clark, Lowry and Lichaj a run over mercenary Dunne or Ginge Minge Collins. LERNER OUT - ALLOW IN SOMEBODY WHO CAN TAKE US TO THE NEXT LEVEL. It will kill me if tospot Redknap gets either VDV or Kranjcar - we are in desperate need of quality in the middle and cannot afford to ruch Delph and stymie his career |
colm tarpey
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... Facccundo: Would you give up 6 million to play for Villa? Dunne is a very good player, has been City's Player of the year on numerous occasions. We needed five men to do the job of four when we had Barry in the team. We have already been taken to a another level, we have to consolidate that to move on...what level where we at when O'Deary was in charge? Have seen Collins play and he is a strong defender. Cuellar has much improved this season and with Dunne I think we will be fine in that area |
Aaron Wilson
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... Faccundo, While that last post was very entertaining, i have to disagree with you on a few things. Randy has funded us tremendously the last few seasons! MON spent around 50 million last year. Compare that to when DOL wasnt even given a few million from that miserable old bastard - Ellis to buy Lescott or Milner. The General(who i know you dont trust) said MON could spend 30 million on a player last year, MON just hasnt done it! He tried to this year with Sneider(well, a more moderate 15 million), but Villa didnt attract him, or maybe just MON didnt. He wouldnt attract me either with the lack of ambition hes shown in throughout his Villa career. So maybe its MON you should be blaming, not Randy and Krulak. Sure MON himself a few days ago came out moaning(as usual) that the players are too expensive in Europe and all this other Bulls**t. Its clearly his fault. Like i said before - Randy and The General have said the funds are in place but MON is still looking for value for money(God knows why). Cheapskate MON: -Harewood, could have had Zamora(Who was brilliant then). -Routledge, could have had Lennon(Wasnt even starting then). -Knight, could have had ANYONE like Lescott(who wasnt priced that much). Lots more too... How many times does Randy or The General have to come out and say MON has the money to spend before you people believe them. MON is the problem! UTV! |
colm tarpey
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... hhmm how was it entertaining? I just gave my opinion on a couple of your statemements and corrected you on a couple of others. What are you disagreeing with me on in you last post? You haven't mentioned anything that i alluded to? I think your just ranting feller...which is your right of course....it's nearly four am in uk...if u are there...go to bed!! ) |
colm tarpey
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... Well Aero-4-Villa, that just won't do! That totally invalidates my post! Humblest apologies, That will teach me to read posts properly! |
Faccundo
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... Aero-4-Villa Here is what MON has said about the resources made available: Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill says he'll be working until the final minutes of the summer market to boost his squad. He said: "I have enquired about a number of players. We are trying. I will use all the financial backing that I have - I will utilise that. "And I will take it right up to the end. After Tuesday, you can't do anything and you are left with what you have. I will try and get players in. "We have a number in mind. We are hopeful of doing things. "We might be in a position to do so too - that's the impression we have been given by other clubs. I will attempt to do that." I want to highlight one statement by MON: "I will use all the financial backing that I have - I will utilise that." This contradicts the statements of Lerner's mouthpiece General Goebbels that there is 30m to spend on a player. MON is telling the fans that the unambitious signings are on Lerner, without being so blatant as to actually jeopardise MON's his job by his employer's retribution for "breaking the chain of command" so to speak. If 30m were available for 1 player we could have easily increased wages to a level where Sneider would have been tempted to move to Villa Park. Fact is, the 30m was always an illusion. MON is pointing that out as he has utilised "all of the financial backing he has" and at that level can only sign Clown Collins and Drunk Dunne. If it was available to spend, MON would have used it. Another way to prove my point - think about who benefits and backward induce the most reasonable motivation for the actor. Ie: MON's motivation is highest possible league finish to garner more plaudits, enlarge his managerial reputation and increase his salary. Lerner's main motivation is short term profit - pure and simple. These motivatations are opposed, in that MON can increase the liklihood of a higher league finish through a bigger squad, purchasing better players, attracting better players with higher wages. Conversely for Lerner, his objective of short term profit is undermined as MON's motivations become more achieveable. Ie profit = revenue - costs, and costs have increased. Before anyone posts, I note the short term reduction in profit (via MON's actions) may have a corresponding inverse relationship with long term profit for Villa as Champions League success is more likely, as are higher gates, more sponsors funds, advertising royalties and shirt sales - hence the caveat of Lerner's motivation being SHORT TERM PROFIT. My prediction is within 2 years once the Global Financial Crisis has been resolved and finance is once again liquid and freely available, Lerner will sell up at a >500% profit on his initial investment. Great market speculating, but lousy for us Villa fans. My only hope is that MON still has the patience to be around for the next ownership regime, cause he is going to lead a club in this league to a dynasty. The Faccundo |
parisianrob
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... collins bid accepted so he is defo coming dunne seems to have got his way in getting his payoff so he is between gottcha and defo if happy harry buys either kranjar or petrov bently or jenas will be arriving also UTV dont forget under odreary we used to say woo when doug said he had 15-20 million to spent now people on here are turning their noses up at figures of 39-40 million spends i dont agree with the lerner is tight argument he has seen the gates this season yet is planning to extend the ground he is not planning more empty seats the barry argument does not hold up barry yes good passer of the ball high completion rate slow and could not get past anyone only a fair to middling tackler did not score enough goals sorry i dont think we will be missing him after 10 games UTV close the door behind you at 5pm but please leave your moans and groans outside please lets have a positive blogged season |
Lions Den Penang
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... And if Villa finish above citeh & spuds this year would any of you boo boys regard that as a success? After all, judging by your interpretation of success it must be already deemed by the footballing gods that we are destined to falter & fall by the premiership wayside because of this so called lack of ambition. MON is building a young & solid foundation for the future by investing in young talent that will be at the periphery of the top of premiership for many years to come. Just because you spend mega millions does not guarantee you success, it will be very interesting how all those precious egos interact at citeh, if Villa sign Dunne today I would regard it as one of the best transfers this summer & I truly believe citeh fans will rue the day they sold Dunne. Spuds have looked ok this season but I do not see them as a big threat to establishing themselves above the Villa this season, tis a marathon not a sprint. If more fans would back the team to the hilt regardless of signings it would be of greater benefit to the whole club, getting headlines on the back pages of the current Bun does not gain any extra points; winning football matches does. Judge MON & Lerner by their results this season not by opinions posted by obstreperous fans on the net. In my humble opinion, Villa will be more successful this season than most on this site anticipate, my only caveat to this is if v |
HEM09
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... Harry signed Kranjar. Lets hope for a few signings today and for some happy bloggers |
Nigel Allen
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... Facccundo, nicely written but unfortunately the content is rubbish. You should look at getting a career in fictional writing! Do you not understand what is happening at VP. If Learner was not there we could very easily be playing footbal with Newcastle or even worse Leeds. You fit the bill perfectly as one of the 'new' City fans so why dont you just go an buy a blue shirt |
david English
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... i hope we get more than Collins today, but if we do it will be a bolt out of the blue 'cause i can't see any rumours about anyone else |
Villa@herts1
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... Talksport just anounced Dunne having medical looks like MON is up early today. |
Nigel Allen
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... If we could nick Krancjar from Spurs it would make my day. He is only 2.5m. Surely we could offer Pompey 4m |
Mike Carter
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...-Harewood, could have had Zamora(Who was brilliant then). Ridiculous. |
Altan Kargaci
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... Man City in talks with tottenham over Bentley , not sure I ever really wanted him here anyway. Dunne and defour I reckon today , maybe harewood to Hull . |
Mike Carter
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... There is no way Spurs will sign both Petrov and Kranjcar, surely? I'll gladly take whichever one they leave! |
Eoin Greene
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... Vivavilla - i too would like either Petrov or Kranjaer. BUT surely this once again demonstrates our lack in ambition. Why does it feel like we wait for other teams to sign their first choice players and we look at whats remaining? People were knocking spurs and city all summerand knocking anyone who suggested they would finish above Villa. With our transfer policy/apparent activity - how can we hope to even challenge them? That means that we are looking at a fight with Everton/Sunderland for 7th. Still - some will see this as progress!! Can anyone see the top 4, Spurs or Man City looking to sign players like Collins?? I am definitely pi&&ed off with our transfer activities and I think its 100% the reason for our poor attendances so far this season. |
vdv
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... bellamy today and also ozil or defour added two collins and dunne and we r fine. nick kranjar from spurs. shorey part of the deal. |
Faccundo
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... Vital_Loans Thanks for the compliment on my writing skills - I don't get into the "I'm a bigger Villa fan than you" arguments, IMO they're pointless. I just assume if you've bothered to register for a fairly obscure though highly entertaining blog for the West Midlands giants then ergo your a fanatical Villain. We don't have a huge fan base in Kuala Lumpur mate. Your attack on me as a Citeh fan is water off a duck's back, I've been a committed Villain since I was born, and just want to see a return to the glory days like I'm sue all others here do. I hate spin. I hate being lied to by leaders, whether our politicians, sporting or otherwise. End of. As for your next point, I first raised signing Krancjar on this blog back in June - but we won't sign him for my reasons above. It did bring to mind one interesting question though - football teams have become investments for people like Lerner. As a supporter, would you take increased volatility for a higher chance of reward? By that I mean, how many people would prefer: a) we went hell or leather in the transfer market, built up huge debt with: (i) a 25% chance that we will again rise to English and European dominance permanently with increased gates, TV revenue, prize money and shirt sales paying the bills; (ii)a 25% chance of making Champions League, potentially the second round, semis or even winning the thing plus the odd FA Cup over 5 years before debt defeats us and we slide into releation (Leeds, Newcastle, Portsmouth, Chelsea eventually, even maybe Liverpool); and (ii) a 50% chance that the gamble fails completely we peak at 5th and are relegated' OR b) we are a slow, steady stable government bond, finishing within midtable mediocrity 8th-12th consistently, infrequently making Europe but going out at the first hurdle when we do, but as opposed to option (a) never in any real threat of being relegated. Fellas this is the 100th year of Villa in the top flight. In how many of those years can we say we lived life to the fullest as a club, took every risk possible, lived the highs and the lows. Villa has form here. We slid to the old second division before winning the European Cup. Life is about risk. The worst thing is to fail without even really having tried. On that basis it's option (a) for me everytime. That's why for me it's LERNER OUT. I'd be interested to hear other people's thoughts though - slow and steady, or have a crack. |
bring back john gregory
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... ffs what is mon up to letting shorey go out on loan for the season?does he like us having the smallest squad in the prem,at least he could of done a straight swap for kranjaer |
Dave J
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... I can understand why folk would be cheesed off with our transfer activity this summer but the fact is that MON has clearly had to work within a budget. RL is very wealthy but he's not in the same financial league as Shiek Mansoor or Abramovich and the club itself does not generate sufficient funds to allow us to spend money like Spurs. This doesn't make Lerner a liar or any of that nonsense Faccundo seems to enjoy spouting, we simply have to be a bit realistic and maintain a sense of perspective about where we stand. If Dunne and Collins sign today then at least we will have a squad with decent cover in all positions - which is sdefinitely a step in the right direction. I wouoldn't put it down as a brilliant window for us - but nor should it be prompting all this whining either. |
Chris Parry
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... MON has absolutely no idea in the transfer market (hope he prooves me horribly wrong later) why would he not have used shorey in a swap deal for Distin at the time or even kranjaar. |
Darragh McGeown
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... I'm not happy about Shorey leaving as he was having a good pre/early season. The player himself must know he is not going to get many games with warnock on the seen and asked to go. You can't blame MON for this and if its part of the kranjcar deal then i would be happy. This certainly indicated that feddie will be back Dunne - Colins and Krancjar by the end of the day. |
Altan Kargaci
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... If shorey is off on loan then it must all be good regarding Bouma coming back to full fitness. |
gareth horton
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... last day of the window ill be glued to ssn dont know why no deal will just let every1 down again but at least i wont be as mad as i was at the end of the last transfer window this man is just clueless at signin players an failing 2 seize the monment when it comes along why is shorey goin an bentley could of done a job 4 us but the list just goes on of players who could of improved our squad that have moved elsewhere heard a rumour that muzzy izzet is comin out of retirement 2 sign 4 us(that was childish i know) |
Darragh McGeown
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... The fact that its a loan deal means that a clause can be added to state that Shorey can be recalled if we need him so i'm not as disappointed as i was when i first heard it Maybe he's trying to keep the wage bill down as we are about to catch a big one |
Chris Parry
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... Not sure SSN have even bothered sending a reporter to stand outside the villa! Doesn't say much for any activity today does it!!!!! |
Michael panizza
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... Clueless, even Bentley seems on his way to Man City. So why not get rid of Shorey and bring in Collins...MON is absolutely diabolical in the transfer market - or Lerner is not opening his wallet. At least Collins will be able to be 'effective' on those long balls. Bloody awful. |
Villa@hert
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... Sorry to see shorey go although I suspect he would have spent most of the season on the bench at best. As long as MON gives the youngsters a go. Sky sport report Shorey is going on year long loan which at least doesnt close the door if he proves himself. Not sure about Collins although I was at both West Ham games I cant recall him standing out. Anyone else have thoughts on how good/bad he is? Bentley to Man City they are welcome to him. There will be so many egos at the club Hughes will have a job on his hands. Maybe he thinks he has managed him before at Blackburn and knows how to handle him but then he was a big fish at Man City he will be a minnoe. Taxis are cheaper in Manchester maybe that is the draw for Bentley. |
Damian
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... RockSteady i believe you cant recall players that are loaned at premier league level. it has to be for a season |
Mike Carter
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... So we're thin on numbers, and a player who is putting in a lot of effort recently is about to leave? I don't rate Shorey particularly highly, but come on, this is insane. |
Darragh McGeown
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... Damian Now that i think about it you're probably right. Any recalls that i can think of have all been from lower leagues. Cheers. However, it would indicate though that Freddie is close on full fitness. Let's hope he hasn't lost any of his ability |
gareth horton
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... if we dont get that 1 player that excites us just abit then i fear for the attendance for home games at vp this season people have just run out of patience in regards to the business that has not been done in the transfer market we have all waited 4 the quality of player we told would come when randy first came in but its just never happened an i guess people just feel mugged off an led down the garden path fans wanna see exciting players play at the end of the day its about entertainment an collins with due respect aint gonna but bums on seats i said last after last jan id lost faith in mon an nothing has changed |
Chris Parry
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... Agreed gareth, I was there on Sunday as usual and despite the win it was an absolutely shite game to sit through, we look so pedestrian with our style of play. |
Damian
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... RockSteady It should indicate that but O'Neill sold Zat Knight before having someone lined up ... |
trustme
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... Sorry but still think NO'N his trying to turn us into Leicester city or Celtic thats his level. Were trying to be above W/Ham and City so we buy there rejects. |
kieran
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... The Blues fans like Taglor who write negative comments 100% of the time just to upset people I agree should be shot in both buttocks and each bollock. But even worse are the thought police who visit this site and bring up the 'negative comments, isnt it terrible'debate. yawn... GET OVER IT!! Comments will be either positive, negative or neutral if people are free to voice their honest opinion. If you have such a sensitive disposition that a blogs comments affects you so badly I feel sorry for you. ps i think collins will prove to be a great signing and the smiths are the best band ever |
SHEMMANZ
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... villa should 5-4-2 Defence: steven warnock carlos cullear richard dunne james collins luke young Midfield: A young james milner stuart dowing when he is of his fit fabian delph or steve sidwell Striker: gaby carew |
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