Sunday, 12 June 2011 08:14
Taking the temperature of the threads on these pages over the last 72 hours, we're split right down the middle.
Many seem to believe that Villa is a rudderless ship, lacking vision or direction. The commenters in that camp stress that we have neither a goalkeeper nor a manager, and highlight the rumour (and it is no more) that potential managers have been scared off by the lack of any transfer budget at Villa Park.
They look at the fact that, for the third close season in a row, we have sold our (arguably) best player - and, rightly, they question the ambition of the club which means so much to them.
Fuel is added to their fire by the fact that the manager of a Premier League also-ran has opted to fight another relegation battle in front of a taxi-full of fans rather than join a club which has won the European Cup.
On the other side, there's a large body of fellow fans who urge a bit of karma. They have faith in Randy Lerner and - perhaps rightly, perhaps not - stress that it's still June and the Chairman and his board need to take time to assess the situation and make sure that they don't rush into a panic signing.
Their view is founded on the belief that Villa can, and will, attract a top name manager in time - and that if the managerial signing is right, the right players will follow.
I don't know - I honestly don't. We're either just treading water calmly, and waving to the shore in the full knowledge that everything will be sorted before July comes. Or we're struggling to keep our head above water, and throwing our arms around wildly in the hope that someone, anyone, might haul us out before we go under.
I have no idea which camp I belong in. Randy Lerner has never seen fit to describe his Vision for our club in any more than the dull and repetitive assurances about "heritage" and "history" which Krulak and his PR department spin out at every opportunity.
It's getting dull, though, and it's getting irritating. I don't need to be reminded of my club's history and heritage. I do need some reassurance, however, that the people who run the club want it to win the European Cup again. I want my children, who have been season ticket holders at Aston Villa since they were knee high to Peter Beardsley, to be able to hold their heads up at their school in the midst of all their mates who, boringly but predictably, wear United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal shirts. I just want us to be great again.
Can Randy Lerner make us great again? I don't know. But I have a feeling the next few weeks will be absolutely decisive for him. Marc Albrighton was pushed in front of the Sky Sports cameras today to talk about Young's move to Manchester United.
On one level, we'll all agree that Marc will now have the chance to prove he's a better winger than Ash (and he may well be). On the other hand, there's a more sinister undercurrent which, to me, suggests that the £20m Randy has pocketed for Young won't be made available for new signings.
I think Randy Lerner has realised that an English Premier League Club is a money pit. I think he's drawing his horns in, and I think he's doing it aggressively. I think Paul Faulkner's job is to balance the books, and there's sense in that, I suppose.
But to me, it suggests we'll be battling it out next season with Fulham, Everton and Sunderland for seventh place. Sure, we may have a bit of a run in the Carling Cup. But without vision, without clear ambition, and without the money to back both of those - we're an also-ran and we'll stay an also-ran.
It hurts. But that's just the way it is, as Bruce Hornsby and The Range said. Some things will never change.
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AWAVFC
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... If Villa finsihed 7th next year, with a half decent cup run, I'd be more than pleased - we need to appreciate that we are no longer an automatic top 6 club. I think we will be in a couple of seasons though - especially when the financial restrictions get introduced as we appear to be a very sensibly run club. And I don't think we need the £20mil from Young to spend on a direct replacement - Albrighton and others have potentail and many other clubs have shown you can pick up premiership quality players from abroad for much cheaper than young english talent - we need a manager who knows world football and will find us players of the quality of hernandez or nasri. People need to relax - I for one have faith that the new manager will be in in the next couple of weeks and the new signings will follow soon after. UTV. |
Rortyboy
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... A club in crisis - can't seem to get the manager they want, no plan B, transfer window passing them buy, owner looking like he doesn't care anymore....who would be a Chelsea fan. |
Fatkevs
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... I am from the other camp, i to would too take 7th next year, with a half decent cup run but a board to move us forward nost of all The trouble with one man owning our club is we will never know I was one of the many that lost thousands in the last floatation, but i still do not regret buying into my club & would do it again Randy forcibly purchased my shares & kicked me out of my seat to make way for corporate fans Most have sold their soul to the general’s pr and less occasional gift from Randy One thing is sure, we are no longer a football club just a ranchman’s rusting toy. I agree with Doc, in that we do not know the Vision for our club; even Randy does not know what he wants, most likely just his father’s money back. Most have sold there soul to the generals pr an occaisional gift from Randy |
Fatkevs
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... Do not give a flying f about chelski we have our own problems the scums relegation helped ease last years pain but onlt temporarily |
pongogidman
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... Good article. I'm not sure where I stand either. I've supported Randy from Day 1 and, like everyone else, bought into the Future's Bright five year plan. Well, those five years are up and look where we are. Not all Randy's fault that's for sure - a global downturn and the Man City millions have radically changed the PL game. And a slow, considered appraisal of potential new managers is an honourable way to conduct business. But after the Martinez fiasco I'm worried that the board seem to be making up strategy on the hoof. There's a discernable lack of direction. And with Young's departure the feeling we're nothing more than a feeder club for the Manchester clubs. My preferred candidate would be Rijkaard but (if you believe a smidgin of what's been written in the press) it seems he's been overlooked because he doesn't have PL experience. This is a CL winning manager, a 2 x La Liga winner and a former UEFA manager of the year...and what's more he's declared his interest in the job! My concern is that the Villa board don't seem to be thinking outside the box. For all our sakes, let's hope I'm wrong! |
Bigballsalbrighton
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... I think it's difficult to take a side at the moment, what with all the daggers out for us in the press!! Let's wait till the managers appointed and see what we spend in the transfer Market before we get the daggers out ourselves. This season is going to show Randys ambition in a nutshell. Time will tell. |
Big Norm from East Lancs
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... I personally think we all need to be patient. I also think it is important to note that Roberto Martinez did not turn Villa down as the press have endeavoured to portray. He didn't even speak to anybody at the club and simply chose to stay at Wigan due to an obvious close relationship with Dave Whelan. That has to be admired as is the way Villa conducted themselves in relation to this matter. Much debate has continued re the departure of Ashley Young. Great player but questionable decision maker. My 9-year-old son queried the nickname 'webcam' recently.....luckily he was distracted by his younger sister and i didn't need to tell him a lie. Ashley will fit in well with the other deviants at Old Trafford. On the managerial situation, i would like to see Mark Hughes at the club. He is young, has a reasonable 'track record' and doesn't take any 'sh*t'. We will undoubtedly make new signings this summer but i still suspect that we will have another season of mid table nothing with perhaps a good cup run. I still have faith in our beloved club and honestly believe that success will come..........eventually! |
turfsurfer
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... good article Doc. a bit more sensible than some of the stuff that is flying around at this point in the press. i honestly do not know what to think either, so prefer not to think at all...but you can't help it can you? my gut feeling tells me the manager will be a name that nobody has mentioned yet, or at least one a little more unpredictable. As far as money goes, Lerner last opened the purse for Bent and Makoun - solid signings and not cheap - he's also just cut the wage bill by releasing players, most of which were surplus to requirements anyway. its got 're-build' written all over it... something i think was set into motion when GH was appointed. and the 20million for Ash Young? who knows? maybe it will be spent finding a Nasri or Hernandez... you gotta think the best... |
Fatkevs
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... Drowning or Taking £15m for Stewart Downing I do not like Downing he no bottle or integrity,for me & will go missing again if not playing for a new contract But a rumour of £15m when Jordan Henderson £20m has to be rejected |
Raz
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... I would play albrigton more obviusuly but I would slap a bid in with the young money for that shaqiri player of Switzerland!! He Looked class again yesterday against Denmark and scored the winning goal!! Another belter. Seriously think we should go for him, them in 4 years time when he and albrighton and around 25 we'll be bloody good!! UTV |
churchill
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... Doc I'm surprised that you feel this way. I thought you were one of the calmer heads. Nothing has happened yet and our owner prefers to take his time and try to get it right. He may, in the end, get it right and he may not. My own preferred candidate has gone to Fulham but that was a deal that was sorted out a year ago, so no surprise there. If Lerner gets it wrong, pile on, but. frankly, we won't know about that 'til Christmas. At the moment Lerner has not made a decision yet posters are panicking. Can everyone please calm down and wait. On the squad, does anyone have a definitive list of who's gone and who's about to go? |
Big Norm from East Lancs
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... It appears that Simon Grayson has just entered the managerial race after a number of significant bets have been placed at bookies in the North of England?  |
andy lochead in the air
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... I am definitely in the 'stay calm and assess the manager and transfer budget' as and when we have a manager and we have seen what he has at his disposal. If we don't have a manager in next 2 weeks or it a Curbishley/Big Sam appointment, I will get worried, though. I am not sure about Randy's vision but don't doubt his integrity and genuine desire to make Villa a great team. I will settle for that, for now at least. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... I'm just wondering. A few days back I heard that Gareth Southgate was a strong contender. Not an ITK as far as I'm aware, just the conviction from a company I do business with. Today he has been quoted as saying that 'there are many big clubs but Aston Villa are a massive club'. Yes I'ts been said from the context of his media work as advice to other potential managerial candidates, however, the cynical side of me just wonders whether such a statement is an attempt to 're-endear' himself to the Villa fans. He is not on my preferred list but preferable to a few of the names being muted. As i've already stated I'd love to have the return of Brian Little (with Eddie Howe or Dean Saunders) but I'm just wondering from today's article, could there be ant truth in what I was hearing last week. Does he still live in Knowle? |
martygra808
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... We are fine. We dont have massive debt like man u. so no matter what its all good! Aston Villa will always be here. =) |
Aussievilla
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... Where is Lerner now ?????. Someone said that he was overseas looking for a manager, maybe his is looking for someone to buy the club ???. It's hard over in Aussie to get any news, but I tend to agree with the person that said the other day that Lerner must have realized a month ago that Houllier would be gone so he has had plenty of time to sort out the manager thing. Also agree with the comment that none of the young money will be used to buy someone, and don't tell me that they could not have got at least a keeper by now, I'm starting to worry that there is something wrong with the club at the moment. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Raz. I'm agreeing with you again! Shakiri did look the business, he stood out as the best player on the park in the England game. Does he play for Basle? If so, he could be a distinct possibility if we can sort this managerial situation out quick enough to act. |
Chiefy
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... FatKevs : thank you, just passing thought I would pop in. Funny how many consider our club and owner to not have a clue because our business doesn't get played out in the soap opera that is the media. Everything will be fine Randy does it the right way professionally we should be proud of that not questionning his ability to run our club |
Lew Chatterleys Lover
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... Can't see any multi billionaires on the horizon looking to buy us can you ? Give Lerner a break he's been a first class chairman and owner and hardly put a foot wrong, lets not hound him out with reactionary off the cuff opinions usually changing from one result to the next. We aint gonna get McLeish, Rijkard, or the Fat Spanish Waiter cos they're not good enough, I still expect it to be Hughes, a proven Premiership manager who has improved every club he has been at. Start having some faith folks or go and support Manarskipool Undecided with the other sheep. |
lewis-dp
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... I popped out for a paper this morning... I saw an old lady struggling with her shopping to the car. I asked her if she could manage, to which she replied, "Piss of, I don't want the villa job!"  --- On a serious note, I am not yet panicking - I think the key to us securing a good manager will be how they explain (and how convincingly) the Martinez situation. Part of me isn't worried, part of me things we're just biding our time until Hughes' contract allows him to take up the position. In a way I do hope that we get someone totally out of the blue, but that's just cos I crave a bit of excitement... but I'm struggling to think of somebody whose name hasn't now been linked! |
Damian
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... Chiefy yes, because you only say negative things about this site and it is why your account has been disabled here too. why should i allow you to promote negativity about me or this site? it is childish. it is only a blog on the internet and you take it all too seriously it is a community for people to write about and discuss aston villa and if you dont agree with the views or opinions then that is your choice but spreading negativity about a person or website because of it, is, in my opinion, taking it a little to far and actually, what you should be do is write a post if you disagree - send it in and we will see about publishing it. the most effective way to get your views across is from the inside, not the outside. if you write it and it is grammatically correct, facts are backed up and opinion is rounded and balanced - the chances are extremely high that it will get published. but not if you are just going to be negative about me, this site, people that comment or other contributors as for the the owner not having a clue - i dont think you will find many that dont think he has a clue. i think actually, most would agree, he very much does have a clue as for the soap opera that is the media - this website is a form of media but this website, isn't getting involved in the hype and speculation as much as others .. so if anything, this website, which is a form of media, is actually the one that isn't getting involved in your so called soap opera |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Regarding the post. I still believe that RL is doing his best for the club and that he (perhaps naively at times) conducts his business in a fair and proper manner. It's a shame that others don't but this is the real world. Also he hasn't been helped by circumstances totally beyond his control. MON walking out at a time of maximum disruption and Houllier's illness. I was optimisti about the forthcoming season. Houllier obviously was sorting out the wage bill and a list of potential targets was in place. Unfortunately, unless Houllier remains in some capacity, this 'list of targets' will never materialise and we're back at square one. The press also hasn't been kind (it never is!). For example Martinez was never offered the job as far as I'm aware, just the opportunity to 'talk'. This puts a completely different emphasis on the choice Martinez was faced with. We have ended up being now tagged as the club that no one wants to manage when in reality we've not as yet offered the managerial position to anyone to turn down! |
Fatkevs
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... Damian i think cheify loved this site like most of us. It does get grey sometines if the attack is personal or just a view I walk the same tightrope, but would not spend so much time on here if i did not respect your and other viewpoints I have always had a problem with owner chairmen but understand it has to be that way |
Damian
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... Also, I dont think anyone is even really panicking about this managerial appointment. The season has only just ended and players are away getting married or not, on holiday and generally not thinking about football. There is actually plenty of time to bring in a new manager and it getting done the way it is, is commendable. But and I can point to several culprits of this, there are no many 'in the knows' with sources that are creating this soap opera .. we have sources but my source is telling me that nobody is getting told anything and that only 3 people know what is really going on. So if the manager is announced next week or the week after it doesn't matter ... there is no panic. It is getting done, hopefully right. |
Fatkevs
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...Also he hasn't been helped by circumstances totally beyond his control. MON walking out Do you still really believe that Tribunial a disgrace, but beyond his control of his making |
Fatkevs
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...There is actually plenty of time to bring in a new manager and it getting done the way it is, is commendabl Cannot agree the market is active early again this year, we have a lot of key positions & contracts to resolve pre pre season |
B62 Villa
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... I am starting move over the 'were drowning camp', On the face of it were in a mess, we released 10 players 2 weeks ago inc Reo coker,since then Kyle Walkers loan has finished, Bradleys loans finished(is he still here), we've sold Friedel and AY deal is tied up with Manure, we have some more expected to leave soon ie Heskey, Warnock and hopefully Beye. This leaves a very depleted squad, add to this we have no manager even though GH suffered his relapse ages ago and finally left 3 weeks ago, this proves the club had no plan or back up plan for this very scenario, we are struggling to attract a manager, that Martinez turned down even wanting to meet with us is embarassing!!! We dont have a massive amount to spend this summer and iam starting to fear the worst, already were being tipped for relegation, challenging for the top 4 or a trophy seems so long ago now, even the f**king clowns won a trophy. We need a manager in this week , because the players will be coming off their hols soon and the transfer market will hot up and once again we are playing catch up, if thd five year plan is to make us relegation fodderand s laughing stock were right on course. |
Fatkevs
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... We are no longer looking at our 1st choice or even 3rd based on media & ITKs Getting it right? |
Mowgs
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... How can we jump from the excellent post yesterday about long term planning and patience to aaaaargh we'll never win anything ever again?!! |
Doc Bowles
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... Churchill, You shouldn't be reading any sense of panic from this piece. What I was trying to communicate was a sense of deflation after all the bullish stuff when Lerner first came in, and my view that as a result we're having a bit of an identity crisis. When I say I don't know which camp I belong in, I mean it: as a positive soul, I tend to sit in the "in Lerner we trust" camp, but it's getting harder to rationalise that position, isn't it? You may have noticed that even Taglor has resurfaced. That vessel of joylous schadenfreude only turns up when things are going pear-shaped. |
Fatkevs
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...already were being tipped for relegation Are we even i think that is daft has GM been named Caretaker manager he sort og had the role for last few games but at least it would look better to have someone for the players |
VillaLloyd
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... I think we all need to take a huge dose of realism if we think that we can challenge for the European cup again without a massive amount of financial backing that only the oil rich can afford. Would people want us to be another Man City or Chelsea - I wouldn't! Perhaps it is because I started going down the Villa when we were in the old 3rd Division but from my perspective we have always been a team that has a brief moment in the sun followed by a longer period of mediocrity. Even after our glory in 80/81 and 82 we could not push on to be a force, at the birth of the premiership and a creditable 2nd placewe should have gone forward with Utd to be a power but again we stumbled. I am a realist and will happily take watching good attacking football, challenging for the cups and Europe. It isn't that I'm not ambitious, anybody who knows me will tell you otherwise, it's just that we would have to sell our sole to achieve CL. |
Vijayd
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... Doc, your article is spot on, i havent read something so sensible for a long time! I find it hard to explain to my 6 year old son why his 2 favorite players have left last summer and this summer, he now calls Ashley a traitor and his best mate takes the piss out of him at school telling him that they have our best player! What does Lerner know about Aston Villa? he cares about his bank balance and investment, and why shouldnt he? its his money, but he should sell up cos he'll make a profit now. This apointment will show what Lerner wants for the club, if its Grayson (it wont be) then what more can we say? but i think we are deep trouble, getting deeper and deeper, sinking.......... |
Fatkevs
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... I thought the world was getting smaller with media options, but the way we are being run by Randy shows it is not |
Leroy
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... Doc, What else do people honestly expect? We are not a solid club, in terms of anything, period. Whether it be finishing 6th and calling for the head of the manager on the ground that it is not good enough. Or its the owner hasnt shelled out enough money for transfers. Then there's the criticism of the new appointment two months in. Shortly after that, there is a banner appearing at VP demanding the manager be removed. There is the constant "threatening" remarks of "fans" who will not renew the season ticket. Any player that leaves is hated and called "money grabbing judas". Booing. A manager like Martinez, who most likely realizes all of this, is then labelled an idiot by some, for not wanting in and exposing himself for all of the bashing that others before have received. What foundation does our fine club have left if we the fans cannot support the club under any circumstance? I am in no way suggesting that we turn blue eyed and become yes men for the club (especially when the PR has been a joke to be fair). I am merely stating that behavior breeds behavior.... If we honestly want to attract ANYONE to the club, we have to act with decency as fans, as we to are representatives of this great club |
Raz
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... Yeah, I think it's basle, so shouldn't be too difficult to offer them a good deal. Chelsea also saying sturridge will cost 20 mill, we can afford that after young goes. These are the players we need to be looking at. Villa scouts and coaches should be glued to this un21 tournament Shaqiri, only 19 but playing like a player at his peak. Sturridge, villa fan, would show faith, is quality. I'd go for foster in goal, good age (for a goalkeeper) and good goalie. There's loads of possible replacements for some of the crap that has gone. We just need to appoint a manager so we can start to buy!!!!! UTV |
Fatkevs
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... Vijayd i cannot see him making a profit, he got the club for a song & has squandered it Net debt: £72.3m Interest payment: £5.7m |
pongogidman
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... B62Villa said: "This leaves a very depleted squad, add to this we have no manager even though GH suffered his relapse ages ago and finally left 3 weeks ago, this proves the club had no plan or back up plan for this very scenario..." B62 is right...and this is the single aspect of this affair that worries me the most. It was odds-on that GH wasn't going to return and yet it seems the board refused to investigate a potential successor. Surely, in the best interests of the club, discreet soundings should have been taken...an alternative lined up ready and willing to step into the breach...I'm sure even GH would have understood that it was imperative for a club of Villa's size and stature to have a Plan B! |
lewis-dp
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... Raz, Sturridge might be good... but opted for Chelsea over Villa last time - so don't really buy the fan thing. At the end of the day, these people are not fans, they are people looking to climb the ladder in their career. They make choices based on that... sometimes the choices may be wrong, but that's life. Climbing the ladder... that's why Ash wants to leave, that's why Milner, Barry left... they shouldn't be outed as awful people... cos when Bent and Downing came to us, they're hailed as excellent acquisitions. Do their clubs think that? Nope! And before anyone says... think about your own jobs... examples of climbing up the career ladder could be about earning more money and raising your profile, working for a different company... let's face it, they can't get a promotion - wherever they are... they play football. |
VillaLloyd
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... Leroy, your point about negativity from the fans is well made and I don't really understand how that has happened. Our away fans are 2nd to none, I really believe that, the amazing scenes that I have witnessed on many occasions this season bear witness to that. It is probably because the gap between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' has grown considerably and we look longingly up at the 'Big 5' with jealousy and therfore revolution abounds - but I ask again, do we wnat to be a Chelsea or a Man City? Accept where we are, enjoy the football that we are capable of and make the Villa family stronger than ever, UTV. |
robm
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... The job has to go to someone who actually wants it sadly they are few and far between at the moment, but better someone take it because they want it than because it pays enough money. |
Fatkevs
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... I beleive the Villa family has been decimated by General PR with all his bulls**t it just has a group of people wanting to be associated with the PR rather than the club We know far less know than we did under the dictator Ellis |
Leroy
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...Our away fans are 2nd to none Absolutely agree. We copped a few batterings this year and the away fans never stopped singing (Liverpool is one example of this - despite the most unfortunate of incidents in the post match interview). All i know is, when things go wrong or appear to be heading in that general direction, you go back to the basics. In this case (at least for me) its getting behind the team and bringing through the youth players. As you said Lloyd, you are happy to watch some entertaining attacking football, as am i, and i believe our youth is capable of providing us with just that. There will undoubtedly be some "teething prolems" along the way, but at very least, these players will get a good experience of which we can use to either cement them as fulltimers, or raise the value enough to sell a few out to other sides and reinvest somewhere else........ |
churchill
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...You shouldn't be reading any sense of panic from this piece. What I was trying to communicate was a sense of deflation after all the bullish stuff when Lerner first came in, and my view that as a result we're having a bit of an identity crisis. Doc, I re-read your piece, and, indeed, a second reading displays a mellowness that I missed first time. It has more balance than I originally supposed. I don't drop in as often as I used to because I don't see any point until an appointment is made. If it's McLeish, I will be gob-smacked, if it's Hughes (as I expect) or Moyes then we must give them a chance. If I were minded to criticize the board, it would be about urgency. Houllier has been ill for months now so his stepping down was no surprise, but the search for a replacement only got underway, it seems, when it was announced a week or so ago. Better preparation might have been in order. |
The Droyd
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... General Krulak has been hinting it could take another couple of weeks. They must do everything right and get the best candidate but Christ this is frustrating for us fans. Judging by the last managerial appointment, it is difficult to have faith that they will get the right guy. However it would be disappointing if they haven't learnt from their mistakes. Grayson and Poyet seem to be stronger in the betting markets. This is perhaps a reflection of the type of manager we are going for. Martinez is young and so are they. After Houllier, perhaps the board feel that they need someone young. Perhaps competence should be more of an overriding factor than age. I don't think Houllier's age was the issue with him. It was the fact that he was ill. Let's hope our board don't go for Joe Kinnear. |
Fatkevs
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... We are never prepared under this regime everything is last minute Shirt Sponsor Players Manager But they want season ticket money in early |
Grima Wormtongue
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... Reading all the posts so far today, and all the facts that come out of them, our best bet by far for a new manager is David Moyes. If you are saying we can not compete on a spending level with the top six any more, we tried under Mon, and Randy is pulling his hornes in, then its got to be Moyes. We all know how he's kept Everton in the top ten with limited cash and some average players, so he would do the same at Villa, as that's the extent of Randy's ambition now as i think he has come to realise that he isn't rich enough to get us to the top. |
krisAVFC
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... take the 20 million and put a bid in for Nani, he's on his way out. Very good palyer to replace young!! |
krisAVFC
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... oh and if we get moyes's i would love arteta in, yeah sure im dreaming but he'd be a class addition to our midfield!! |
ChanChan
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... I can't understand why anyone would criticise Randy. Since he's been here, I thought only Man City had spent more on transfers. The fact is that if the champions league money was evenly distributed like in France and Germany, other teams besides the sky 4 would have a chance of building a team that can win the league. If anything, fans should be pissed off with the system. Although it would be great if we'd already got the right manager in, I think the way we are negotiating is something to be proud of. At least we are being respectful and above board in all our negotiations. I actually think Hughes would do a very good job (so long as he doesn't bring in the likes of SWP, Bellamy etc), but if Randy wants someone more honorable,then I agree with him. It's a fine line between finishing 6th / 7th and mid table. It's also a fine line between mid table and almost getting relegated....I just hope that fans will be patient with the new manager. Quite frankly, I don't like the attitude that we should try and get into the money league at all costs. I'd much rather we built a team the right way with a manager who really wants to stay with the club |
boringrealist
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... NEGATIVITY----is this an issue??? Man U are being financed by Qatar, who will buy them after next world cup, Chelsea by Abramovitch,Man City by a rich Arab. So only 4th,5th and 6th up for grabs. To get there means we need to spend£100 mil a year plus their four year salaries. WE JUST HAVE NOT GOT THAT MONEY. So what should we do as fans? DO we carry on supporting? Does that mean paying a regular £3o a week to watch a club stand still.I am afraid football has changed. Our only hope is the new fifa money resticting regulations and developing the new academy players, but this might not work. Is Albrighton really as good as Young?? |
ChanChan
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... Albrighton is a different player to young. From what we've seen so far, I see no reason why he can't be as influential as Young has been. He needs to improve defensively, but he can score and create, and isn't afraid to take on players |
Custard K3
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... As for the whole Martinez situation most people are looking way too far into it. He took the easy option. He knew full well that had he spoken to villa he wouldn't be able to turn the job down. He felt he owed Wigan (which he did, he would have been sacked before Christmas at any other club) and has decided to stay without having any regrets because he never knew what was on the table at villa. The only reason we even know about the Martinez situation is because of motor mouth Whelan anyway. I say be patient and get behind the club and ignor the dross that you read in the papers everyday. Randy will get this right, im 100% confident in that. Have faith! UTV |
davyboy
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... i went this morning to fetch my sunday papers and nearly fainted to see the head lines mcleish next villa manager so please tell me this is never going to happen,because for one i wont be renewing my season ticket or stepping foot in villa park to he left |
salty
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... You can bet that Lerner was assessing the field the day after GH was taken ill, so I don't buy the 'doing nothing for 3 weeks' argument. Are potential managers being put off by a 'no transfer' budget rumour? Who can tell, but lets take a look at what has happened so far... ...Ancelotti opted for a sabbatical, so he was out.... ...Villa had to keep a distance from Hughes because of the circumstances of his resignation [remember Brian Little?]... ...so made it very public that they had approached Martinez in a correct fashion, but... ..Martinez opted not to be interviewed because he was prepared to honour his contract and stay loyal to his Chairman [what a wonderfully old-fashioned concept that is. Good on yer Riccy]...while... ...Benitez could never have been a sensible contender because he would have played politics to be bigger than the club and Lerner has had his fingers burned on that score before. That left... ...Moyes who has a rather nice comfort zone at Everton and, regardless of results, will never take the flak because he has constructed a very neat 'look what I am doing with no money' barrier. Why should he take the risk at another club?.... ..and Jol who was never going to work anywhere other than London. As for McLaren, sure he could have done a decent job as a coach but it was glaringly obvious that season ticket sales would nosedive so that had to be shelved.[Incidentally, it was not the brolly but the fake accent. Anyone who is held up to ridicule on Talkwhitevanman Radio has no chance of being taken seriously around the grounds. We would have become a national laughing stock] Not quite the shambles the media are making out. More a combination of circumstance and prudence. Who does this leave? Coyle, perhaps, and the new bookie's favourite, Grayson. Leaving aside the Villa-connection sentiment, Grayson has proven nothing. Coyle seemed to achieve the impossible in making Bolton pass the ball for the first time in living memory, but they faded badly after Christmas. He is a track-suit manager and gets stuck into training 'with the lads'. This could go either way with players and other coaches. Its a risk. Hughes seems to be back in the frame, and, after a discrete period of non-contact, that may be where we are heading. He is safer than the other two and has the experience of hard-knocks which could make him a resilient ans successful appointment. Remember Saunders? The club are going to take their own time on this, and rightly so. They shouldn't be forced into a quick decision just to please the media ,and , dare I say it, the fans. I know we need transfer activity, but far better to do it with the right person even if it takes a few days longer to sort out. |
Damian
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... Don't worry. I think it safe to say that Alex McLeish will not be the next Aston Villa manager. Not only because the decontamination period is several months, but because, well, he has proven not to be that good. |
jame5y
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... Right lets get this clear, we're a club in crisis because Roberto Martinez stayed with Wigan? Lets get this also clear, did Villa say or release a statement about talking to Martinez? The only person who said anything about Villa and Martinez was Dave Whelan. Three other PL clubs most probably had a letter from Randy, but have probably not gone public due to the way that fans react to the speculation - if I were contacted about a job as a designer (which I am) and I decided not to take up the opportunity about talking about a job, I am not naive enough to think that other designers may have also been contacted, its not about rank of choice, but what each candidate can bring to the opportunity. Up until about 10/15 years ago we never got the chance to know about who the manager would be. Look, the media haven't got a story because villa haven't released any statement whatsoever, so they pounce on any tiny crumb, and because of this they are painting the club in a negative light, so what? I am happy that we haven't made a knee jerk appointment, and I trust the club to select the right candidate. So can we get rid of the negativity please? cheers. |
Damian
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... jame5y i dont actually think there is that much negativity on this site. sure you have a user or three, but they really are in the minority but well said ... |
JPA
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... There's a lyric in a song I like that says 'it's the not knowing that kills you' This speaks volumes for me at the moment as I think it is purely the fact that we haven't appointed a manger yet is the only reason aspersions are being cast over the ambition of the club Randy Lerner as a chairman. The same second a new manager is announced the stability will return regardless of who the manager is because there will have been a choice made and a direction for the club. I think it is commendable that the club are doing business in the right manner and I imagine Randy wasn't planning on having to appoint another manager again so soon. I actually quite like Gerard and I can't fault him in the transfer window, I like his quirky ways and open demeanour, but let's face it he's not well and we continue to search for a man who can stabilise our club and build for the future. I like the idea of a young manager and I like the idea of someone relatively unproven at this level. I don't feel it's fair to judge someone on their past achievements solely as we should, as a club of great potential be looking at a manger with the same quality. I think you need to look at what your goals are as a club and choose accordingly. My aspirations would be something like this: 1) Ideally we need someone young who can commit long term and develop what we have and nurture it. 2) Someone who plays football, gets the ball on the deck and passes is what we need, Owen Coyle is a manager I admire for this. 3) It'd be nice to have someone without the arrogance and attitude of a top flight name who is willing to work with the board and take instruction unlike the bullish O'Neill who did well, but ultimately was too much of a personality. 4) A man who is not swayed by popular opinion and is willing to stick by his own decisions is what I would like. There is too much preoccupation with status and what friends or other clubs perceive us to be doing. We should be looking to appoint someone that is right for us and not who popular opinion discerns as right. The appointment of Martinez at Wigan, Coyle at Bolton, Moyes at Everton and Arsene Wenger when he joined Arsenal are what we should be aiming for. We need to break a young manager and give him the opportunity he deserves in a competitive money driven world that is often so unwilling to take a risk and go for the easy option. Grayson was linked today and whilst I don't think it'll happen and isn't the best appointment we could make, I can't help but like the way the chairman is doing things. Martinez was disappointing and it is the fact he stayed that makes me more affectionate towards him. Imagine if we had a manager with his resolve and loyalty, it's a breath of fresh air. My choice would be Poyet, but I don't think he'd leave Brighton, other than that I'm a fan of Pearson and I'd also be willing to give Gareth a shot. We are desperate for success and it is this 'quick fix' mentality that keeps swindling us. The mand should be given time, money and more time as well as our full backing. The fact that the club alledgedly didn't talk to Mclaren because of fan pressure makes me a bit sick really. A proven manager in our league who did great things for a small club with modest aspirations an a relatively small budget and in a short amount of time with limited resources in one of the most unappealing parts of the country and then goes on to win a title in a foreign league without knowing much about the culture, language and players. Hats off to him and it's a shame that a short period of time in charge of our shocking national team run by a joke of a football association has blighted his career. Aston Villa are not a national team. I'm not saying he'd be right and i'm not saying I want him, I'm just saying I'm disappointed with the attitude of some of our fans. |
TrueVillan
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... We really should have been better prepared for replacing our manager, after all, it was pretty obvious Houllier was not going to come back, and enquiries should have been taking place, although prob not, as we like to do things the right way, which is also the losers way! we appear to have waited 9 days to speak with Martinez, a manager with a 26% win rate, only to be ruled out as soon as he returned from holiday, and that t**t Whelan, who talked about doing things the right way, and promptly did it the wrong way! and why should we have faith in lerner?this is a guy who let MON run up a huge wage bill with s**te! then appointed a man who was out of management work for years and the lasted just over half a season before his heart gave out! also, why does the manager need previous premiership experience, oh, because all the successful managers in the premiership who have won something did, Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Mancini, benetiz, Ancelotti.......oh wait, they never!! Im sorry, but I see nothing to suggest Lerner knows what he is doing in all of this I have said it before and will say it again, Martin Jol is every bit as good as any names I have seen, and Fulham got it done in days! |
steve in ireland
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... Can't see why those who are being positive are expressing the view that RL will get it right and does things the right way. Where is the proof Here ARE the facts about RL 1 Inherited a manager who was the the right man at the time. (Although any half decent manager could with£120M have improved us at that time. 2 Allowed the manager to squander more of his money than I would think he has let any of his other employees do 3 Let the manager get into a situation where he was controlling his ill timed exit 4 Had no strategy for the loss of his manager 5 Appointed someone who was always going to be at best a 2 year manager Where are the positives, 1 yes blows loads of money, bet he won't be doing much more of that 2 paid loads for Bent, well he had to try and protect his investment, if Villa had gone down then Ash And Stewie would have been cheap pickings 3 Ummmmm now I'm struggling Sorry Villa are in a pityfull state because of RL and yes we will see his intentions when this year we lose not just our most valuable asset (like the last TWO years) but our next most valuable asset. WE are a club in serious crisis. We have a squad that is smaller than last year already. On top of that we are going to lose our two most valuable assests. If you were going to put a team out now with the players we have left then you have the likes of Heskey, Petrov, Collins, Dunne, Gabby to build your team around - most of these we would all like to see gone if the threads of the past season were to be believed. How anyone can stay calm and say it will all come out right in the end is beyond me unless they have Ostrich blood in them |
taglor
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... Look Doc, can I stop you right there please! I find that I agree with your Post?! What is happening? Confusing days to be a Villan to say the least!!!! |
Mellon
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... IT WILL BE MARK HUGHES. I have lost count how many post's I have made saying the same thing. I don't understand why nobody can see it, Paul apart. I don't believe for a minute Villa have offered anybody the Job yet either, they have just been approaching potenial candidates, some of whom have been very vocal abot their stance. When Hughes is the last man on the planet, then believe he is the next manager, and there is no point in rushing as he can't officially take up the reins until JULY!!!! Give Randy some credit, he'll get his main and won't have to pay any compensation. Also believe Hughes will have already started thinking about team preparations and possible targets, c'mon Randy was running a global business, whatever you think, he ain't a muppet. |
Bond
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... One thing is for sure, Randy is not here to make money he knows he is going to lose a small fortune of the Lerner family empire!! I believe MON walked because Randy pulled the plug on his spending and not for anyone else. Time will tell how much Randy really cares (I think he does). He would have to pay huge compensation bills for Coyle or Moyes and then back the manager with a couple of 10+ million signings. He needs to do this if his wishes for the club to function more independently (never completely) are to become a reality. Without some kind of success than the club can not attract a larger fan base then in turn build the stadium thus up gate reciepts and merchandising. We are a f****e lot. 30,000 attendances for most games yet 40,000+ for big games. People spend £60 minimum at the Emirates and they get 60,000 for any match. I was at the Austria Vienna match at the begginning of the season, what a shambles! Such a vital match and only about £20,000 turn up on reduced tickets! COME ON THE VILLA (Just to point out I've been to VP 12 times last season from my humble base in Essex) |
Bahamavillan
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... The hysteria needs to stop. Has anyone ever considered that the media are making it into a big deal because they are frustrated that they get hardly any leaks out of VP. In fact, most of the newspapers are just making things up into how they see fit. Randy Lerner is not stupid, this is an incredibly important appointment and he has to get it right. For next manager, im now hoping for rijkaard, and I'm going to stick with my decision. He will unite the dressing room, speaks 4 languages, will bring in the right players, fits into a footballing philosophy and is a 'yes' man to RL. Let's give this guy a chance. |
Fatkevs
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... The Genersl is in the real world as if choosing and obtaining a Manager was as simple as going to M&S and purchasing a Balti Pie. Not seen that on the shelves perhaps looking in the wrong store |
Darrenvilla26
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...speaks 4 languages And the relevance of this is?.....shteve speaks Dutch German and English surely by this he should also be on your shortlist too  |
jame5y
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... Damian Thanks, I've been reading the blog since its inception, but only started contributing recently and I love the opinions here. However, I think one of my first contributions was to ask for the F word being blocked, and it feels that in some quarters the word really does some up some of the contributers here. Aston Villa has always been a family, friendly and solid club. I have been thoroughly impressed in the way that Randy Lerner has conducted his business around the club, and the way that he is going about his vision to restore some of the clubs values once again. I thought it would be interesting to look at the teams from when I was younger, pulled out some of the old claret and blues, and when you look at the teams, there were no real 'superstars' or 'marquee' players, just a solid team. The day at Wembley in 1994 was fantastic, beating Man Utd - playing them off the pitch in fact, with a team consisting of little more than journeymen players, Dalian Atkinson (1 England B cap) Shaun Teale (dodgy moustache) Dean Saunders (apparent Liverpool has-been) the list goes on. It's not about a player. It's not about a manager. Its about the team. Why we have some supporters calling for Lerner's head is beyond me - do they not remember Ellis? I think the fact we need a bit of patience, those that point to GH's appointment as a yard stick of what Randy has done wrong, need to think of the situation we were in last year, we needed that stop gap, we needed a bit of cohesion, and any issues last year were down to certain individuals as players as alluded to by Brad Friedel in his interview on Talksport. Those players bought by MON, on silly wages, who were little past their best, used to not doing much training, suddenly being asked to behave like professionals caused the issues in the dressing room - with these probably being shown the door this summer hopefully the team will benefit. Like I have said before i'm positive about the Villa. The good work started by Houllier getting the fitness levels of players up, restructuring the way the players go about their professionalism will hopefully be continued. It cannot have gone unnoticed how in three seasons before last we faded after January - now compare it with last season, we got a win at Arsenal and Liverpool at the tail end of the season, and yes we ended up in a pretty much false position of 9th, but really? How can we say that when we all say, 'if you're relegated you deserve to be there...' So if we look to the positives of last season, an undoubtably difficult one, we have a good crop of young talented players all with the hunger and desire to make it at the football club, we have England's current best striker, we have a club that doesn't deal in knee jerk reactions, and a largely fantastic fanbase. Don't let the media get you down, because i'm fed up of defending my club to all and sundry, I support Aston Villa, I support the board, I support the players, I support the fans and I support the mostly fabulous contributers to this blog. utv. |
Bahamavillan
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... Darrenvilla26, and did you see my other points? He can bring in foreign players that don't speak English, and communicate with him. Also shows he has intelligence if he's fully fluent in 4 languages. I just think he's somebody who Randy might consider |
taglor
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... Bahamavillan I agree. I have always dismissed red top reports but this year it has gone so unbelievably absurd I cannot believe one report that these lying hacks make up ever again. They have lost all credibility to sate their greedful lust of selling selling selling, like a whoretrain full of apprentice type candidates. That is just the football reporters, it permeates through to every aspect of red top papers now. One quick peruse at the suns website and it looks like a teenage girls gossip magazine, rooney check, the only way is essex check, jordan check, will and kate check, coalition bickering check. The book im reading is 14 years old and states that 70% of americans get 100% of their knowledge from TV, well we always follow suit with the US lawsuits culture, increased morbidity, strokes, cardiac problems, celebrity obsession etc and I think we may well already be beyond that with our grey concrete island of chavs and 2cnd home owners. Do not fall in the middle or you will pay through the nose for your working life. That's why my wife and I are already looking at following her sister to Canada. It's a really weird concept but if you work you get rewarded by being able to afford a decent house, petrol, food etc and not have someone next door to you that doesn't work having more than you. Sorry, grey rainy english sunday. Rant over check. |
Ben Smith
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... This is my first posting on this fantastic and passionate site. I'm a lifelong villa fan and ever since my father - another lifelong villa fan - died in 2009, I have not had anyone to share my villa passion with. I then found this site and have become obsessed! Thanks to Damien and other posters like doc for thoughtful and considered insights about our great club. A few thoughts on the managerial situation: Martinez- to show loyalty like he did has restored some of my faith in football people. Ironically, I didn't want him before, but after handling the situation so commendably, I do now! Hughes- if he came maybe Ireland could be the player he was and Shay given could be our no. 1. Rikaard- no PL experience but very exciting and could attract some star names. I trust RL to bring in the right man and respect the way he's trying to do business, although for us fans it is frustrating and confusing. Money- you need loads of it to be top 4 and we don't have it. But I'd rather hold true to our ideals- youth development, charity work, solid foundations and honest business values etc than be a man city and buy glory and respect. Thanks to this site for helping me through two very difficult years and sometimes it's not about trophies or money, it's the supporting that's counts. Proud to be villa All I'll say is this- this site has helped me through a very difficult few years and sometimes it is not about trophies or money etc but about a community of people who share a passion |
neilfun27
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... villa fans just let randy lerner and board give time not rush decision on new manager |
Muzza
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... I have no doubt its Mark Hughes. He's the man RL wanted before Houllier but missed out coz he had just signed for Fulham. Everything else is a smokescreen for us not to get pinched for tapping him up and end up paying compo. Mark my words its Hughes. UTV |
taglor
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... Thats brilliant Ben, nice to have another fellow Villan to share the fun,pain ride with. |
marita
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... Hi I'm just having a cupboard clear out. Does anyone want Villa progs some with autographs and team sheets from 2006 plus a couple of flags etc |
villaman
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... Alex Mcliesh, betting odds favourite now lol... You gotta say the betting system is a joke. I really hope we can announce a manager soon, this whole thing has got way out of control now and we look like a joke to the rest of the England. Just hope we can do something. |
AVFCwood
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... To be honest i fail to believe that RL doesn't know what he's doing, like some of you so often post! I might be way off here but RL is a buisness man and Aston Villa isn't a hobbie for him, it's a buisness investment that he spent 62.2 million for and has invested god knows what further in the club. He has to know that doesn't knwo that in's and out's off football and MUST have a knowledgable advisor's helping him make desicions!! now you can't say all off these are crap. Sure he doesn't have a great track record, he gave MON lot's off money that he spent on silly signings, BUT was that not MON's desicion? RL then put in a sell to buy policy realising his silly spending was starting to take the piss and also refused to give MON the money from Milner, god knows what MON would've done with that! as for the Houllier he inherited MON's team a week before the season starts and a team who lost there best player without replacing him! Houllier then finished the season in 9th, this better than MON's first season in charge who finished in 11th, admitedly MON finshed on 50 points apposed to Houlliers 48, but that isnt bad for a manager who hadn't managed a club for 3 years. Houllier did however bring in one of the best signings the club has made in many years and exactly what we needed a 20 goal a season striker! sure he was brought in for a lot off and to save our season but if MON had bought him from spurs when he should've for what 10 million then we could've had something like the 24 goals he scored last season for sunderland which would've helped, Alot! However all this comparing from Houllier too MON is off topic, Houlleir in my eyes wasn't the worst manager in the world. He did quite well acctually and in buying Darren Bent set us up for next season, he's also given the kids experience and are looking like great players. There was nothing he could've done about martinez, rumours had it that he already offered to triple his current salary so what more could he have done, martinez just wanted to stay at wigan except that. At wigan Martinez is top dog and won't have the pressure and stress that he would've had with Villa, us villa fans and admitedly me included would've given him a hard time! he knew this as we did it too houllier and he didn't do a lot wrong. So i've rambled on for abit now and just ask to have a little faith in the team you love, you can't condem him yet as he hasn't done anything yet. He's already proven that he has respect for us and value our opinion as he sharpisly moved away from Mcclaren who isnt the worst manager in the world (england out the equation) he's currently at a top German club and won the German league last season and the dutch league the season before that! but her i'm with you guys, i don't want him in either! So come on guys get behind your club and show RL you have faith in him. UTV |
Bond
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... Rijkaard was a great player and can manager great players well. So could Avram Grant. His exploits at other clubs are very poor indeed. Can he really get the best out of good/average players? No thank you. His name is mentioned only because of his Holland and Barca reputation. |
Villaonthegreen
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... good to see the 'we are all doomed Capt Mainring, doomed!' sentiment being tempered a little. The slavish insistence from some on believing everything in the media and forming opinions based on these 'facts' is tedious. Randy has made a massive investment in our club and is obviously going to pursue a reasonable search for the man who he is going to entrust his investment. |
bermudavilla
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... WTF Mcleish is new fav to be next manager..............There'll be riots, apart from being a bluenose why do we want someone that got there team relegated??????????????????????? |
Bond
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... Mcleish-Its a conspiracy, we will be in the Championship within a year. Then hell go back to the s**t, mission accomplished! |
mart_the_monkey
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... my main worry would be paul faulkner has he really got the contacts that steve stride had,it does feel like its a little bit 'right who should we contact know'.i really hope that randy is a genius and the martinez thing was a smoke screen and in fact dave whelen knew hence such kind words towards us,i dont think the they can even mention hughes so come july1st he will become manager,wigan had alot of positive pr out of it and martinez looks like a loyal wigan manager as well. |
Villaonthegreen
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... I know the squad is looking thin, but isnt that what we all wanted to happen? to get rid of the dead wood? NRC refused what we offered him as did Big Brad. The rest of the exodus up to now has been our decision to stop paying money to staff we dont want. Obviously the imminent departure of Ash and possible departure of Disco Stew dont fall into this catergory. I feel the most important factor in the search for a new Manager is that they can continue in the same general direction as under GH. We have had to suffer the pain of change since MON's walk out. But I feel we have turned a corner and the worst was behind us. Who knows what GH could have acheived with his type of player coming in? But we cant afford to rip up the last year. |
DiscoBadger
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... Pay no attention to the bookies gentlemen. They, like the press, have no more idea than we do about the managerial situation. They have a duty to throw names out there to create hype and take money off the gullible - that's the nature of their business....(i hope!!) |
Bond
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... GH would have been excellent I think, the team were playing brilliantly by the end. The Liverpool match was especially good. The passing and movement was breathtaking. GH seemingly came out of nowhere. Surprise us again RL, break the bank for Rednapp!! COME ON THE VILLA!! |
Raz
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... Good lad ben! Villa fans - best in the world; proper supporters and great banter UTV!!! |
marita
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... Thankyou taglor but I wasn't thinking of selling them but if no one wants them maybe thats an option |
Damian
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... TrueVillan you are right - we should have been better prepared. however, the truth of the matter is, we don't actually know how prepared we were or were not. it could be that the manager is lined up and done and dusted and that we are waiting for a. his existing contract to expire or b. him to work his notice or c. that he is on holiday and actually wants a holiday before all the media coverage starts or it could be that we were not prepared. but, we simply do not know jame5y thanks and the F word has gone. or it is covered up by **** - i hate it too Ben Smith very sad news, sorry. but a community we are ... and sometimes there are more important things taglor would the real taglor please come back |
Raz
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... Mcleish - not welcome. I don't like him in general. The fact he manages the scum and tries to belittle us every time we play them means he will never get my support. Don't trust him either UTV! |
Villaonthegreen
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... Bond I tend to agree with you on Rijkaard. achieved little but failure before Barca, had a purple patch with them after a poor start and then a departure by 'mutual consent'. It is not conclusive but his good patch coincided with the arrival from the Academy of a lot present wonderteam. He gave them the chance I susspose but I am far from convinced he worked wonders at Barca given what was at his disposal. Since then he has been a failure in Turkey and is unemployed. My problem with Steve McClaren is not his England record or his embarrasing Dutch TV performance. I just do not think his record is that impressive. He had moderate success at Boro with big financial backing from his Chairman, but was slipping down the league finishing 14th in his last as Boss. His England appointment to me was ludricous and based on an herioc comeback in the UEFA semi - a one off desperate gamble forced by getting into a poor position. You cant argue with FC Twente, but they were a club on the up who have not fallen apart without him. Then in Germany he took recent Bundesliga Champions, albeit with a 8th finish the previous season, and flirted with relagation before being sacked. This may have been premature but I just dont think his record is as impressive as other realistic options. |
AVFCwood
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...break the bank for Rednapp!! Ha someone's abit of a dreamer  but well said anyway UTV |
jame5y
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... oh btw i'm still in great anticipation as to which leading European club will be signing up NRC Barca? Real? Inter? Milan? Man Utd? ..........Norwich? |
zecrane
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... It has to be said that all the candidates are pretty poor really. I would like to take a risk and go for a young manager with something to prove. what about roy keane a born winner even if he did s**te at ipswich he has class and desire to win and with a decent team.... |
Mr.K.
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... Dave Jones was linked to Villa in August. Would anyone fancy him? I feel he did a good job with weaker teams. Given the talent and finances at Villa, he could do a good job. |
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... I wildly speculate that the next "Manager" might actually be a head or first team coach, with the following criteria... 1) young-ish (not only means they might be around long term to build a legacy, but also connect and have the respect of players. Anyone under 55 could be around for 10-20 years easily) 2) reputation for playing passing possession football. 3) Either proven history with transfers or the ability to work with a director/owner that handles transfers. 4) Proven ability to work with existing resources (i.e. not one of the dinosaurs that expect to get a budget to replace the entire team with their own players) doesn't mean resources won't be available. Would love to know the exact figures but RL has invested 20-40M every year, and with the new era beginning in footy finances, i would expect a level of 20M to be maintained. I would also expect any profit from a player sale a year to be reinvested, and if this generates 15-25M to be reinvested, to buy one or two squad players or quality in specific positions, and if we have others coming through, I don't see anything wrong with this strategy. Even the likes of Spurs and Man Utd do this to some extent. Arsenal would probably be better if they were prepared to do this as well.) I hope to see many more youngsters coming through than in the previous decades. Personally I'd prefer to watch a team of Albrightons, Bannans, Clarks, Bakers, Gardeners and even likes od Delphs where we have invested in promising youth to complement our own crop. 5) Premier League experience either as player, coach or manager. 6) Any reputation or history of developing and working with younger players would be an essential bonus. 7) Ideally but not essential.... a past Villa player, even better a fan. They may not have been entirely successful (although sixth and FA Cup final, and League Cup win isn't too shoddy in hindsight) but the work of Gregory and Little always felt that they knew the club a bit better, had empathy with the fans, and wanted the club to do well because they had affection for the club. So come up with a list of potential candidates that meet all or some of those criteria. Then go through all the procedures to see what their current circumstances are. If necessary go through the formal process to talk to them. Meet and interview them to see how well they meet those requirements. Draw up a list and approach the top candidate. Negotiate a personal package and any compensation or release details as necessary. Bear in mind these candidates might be on holidy in the world so to speak with say a short list of five could take anything up to a fortnight. No wonder if this process is done properly it can take up to a month or more..... Patience and trust is what is needed right now.... |
Len
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... I have not read all the comments, but I dont understand why Houllier wasnt made director of football,clearly there is nobody on the board who knows about football,the club have paid him off so why not retain him and get something for the money,he could have been more of an asset in this role than a manager.We have had a phone call to see if we want to renew our season tickets but it is difficult without knowing who the manager will be.Due to MON's financial mismanagement we are all suffering,but it still comes down to Lerner's and Faulkner's lack of football knowledge,if they had known more they would have seen that MON often paid over the top for players who he then just sat on the bench most of them on double the wages they were worth.We need somebody who is going to rebuild and who wants that challenge for the long term,we may have a couple of bad seasons,but we have some good kids coming through who hopefully will stay loyal to the club,we need a manager who can plan ahead,not be stupid with Lerner's money,and who has a plan B.MON did not really care about the fans,he left us in a mess by leaving two days before the start of last season since then the club has been like a headless chicken.Lerner get a football man to give you some advice,the advice you are getting at the moment is like you are pulling names out of a hat. |
Bond
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... Villaonthegreen At last an intelligent reasoned argument against McClaren. Totally agree on most points although I think you have watered his record down a tad. The McClaren era at boro was the greatest in their history, thats coming from them. Perhaps moderate success from our eyes but we are a bigger club. Achieving success abroad must be a very difficult task with whatever club, the fact is he achieved it with Twente and played a part in the foundations of this the season before. Hughes- jumped from club to club, failed with huge backing at Man city. Journeyman, too safe a bet, He has an O'leary air about him. Moyes- Quality, I would like him but perhaps too expensive. Could push us back into top six Coyle- Good prospect, little bit of a gamble. Mcleish- Could do it, a gamble here (come on we must be objective about these things!). Rijkaard- Likes and works well with great players, perhaps dismisses others abilities and favours others but is not subtle about it enough . Bit like a bad grass roots coach (see it all the time!) McClaren- Great potential and free, why not? I don't think McClaren is the greatest manager ever, nor do I think he is the most talented in the league just the best prospect of whats realistically available right now. If Rednapp, Pardew and Jol were available Id put them above McClaren (I wont bother mentioning the other usual suspects Wenger etc). Actually I would even consider Hodgson above him as well. |
robm
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... I think someone at the club is employing psychology the club want McClaren the fans in the main seem not to, so get it out there that the club are interested in McLeish all of a sudden McClaren dont seem so bad! |
Happycatme
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... It's good to see people seem to have that Sunday vibe today. It's been bonkers in here with irrational diatribe about RL and his happy crew. Nobody knows what hard work's going on behind the scenes, but RL has pumped hundreds of millions into this club, and is not likely to let it fall apart now. I can't recall a single time when he's not done everything he can to boost things at the club, or for the good of its fans. People gripe about tight purse strings but who ever said this was the case? Media hacks trying to pull stories out of hats (or asses!) As far as I can see, RL only limited spending last summer, but that was probably a reaction to MON's profligacy. Rightly so, he wanted some deadwood lopped off- any businessman would do the same. GH had no chance to buy someone until January, when he splashed out probably a good £30mn. Hardly Mr Scrooge, huh? As for the next manager, you CANNOT rush these things as you need to know who is compatible with the ethos of the club, and who has the best ideas to push us forward. Money doesn't necessarily buy success- it's further and deeper than that. I don't want some mercenary playing at my club for a year or 2, kissing the badge one minute and peeing all over it the next, for the sake of a fat payday. I want people like Albrighton rising through the ranks, full of passion and pride at playing for us. Buy a few who buy into the thing to add some spice, and watch us fly. Those doughnuts who say we cannot compete unless we spend £100million, and demand RL does so need to wake up. Is it your money? No... Build things organically, sustainably, because those big spenders right now will surely rue these days... As for people crying because of the betting market saying McLeish is the favourite. Well, try to understand the way those things work. It's all smoke and mirrors. People place bets, spread rumours, then place opposing bets. It's all about manipulating the money to make more money. Look how many odds on favourites we've seen in a week. Based on fact? Not a chance. It's all about making money. It's time to wake up and count our blessings. You know, only 10 transfers have been concluded in the PL so far. 10! How is that falling behind? There are plenty of decent managers out there dying to take over at VP under the stewardship of a decent chairman. Obviously they can't come out and say so as it'll jeopardise their present situation. Other clubs will have been contacted, should their managers have been deemed suitable, and in due course, that process will bear fruit. Who it'll be, we don't know and neither do the hacks, so-called ITK, nor we posters on these sites. Stop reacting to hearsay, for pity's sake, as it's doing our collective nuts in. In a week or so, we'll probably know. The squad will will yet to have returned to training, and the transfer window will be open for a couple of months. Where's the need to panic??? |
Scrumpy
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... Woe is me... we've lost so many players we are doomed!! Well not really when you take a logical look at the first team players that have left or will go... Ash Young - can be replaced with Marc Albrighton... not the finished article, but as a winger is already as effective and will only get better (not saying that Young won't now improve at ManUtd where is not the biggest fish and has to put his head down and prove himself again - so good luck to him, but we will be ok if not improve). Verdict: What we have will develop to be better. PLUS corners, penalties and free-kicks could be much better next season if the likes of Bannan and others are allowed to take them (see Blackburn FA Cup game for proof!) Downing - not going anywhere until at least January if continues to not sign new contract, or with 2 years on contract if we can get 25M and replace with better (NZogbia?) in a winger/wide attacking player that can also tackle, then lets do it now! Verdict: If the money and replacement are available, then do it - afterall his reception after pulling out of the first tackle next season will be a bit chilly, having had a monumental u-turn on staying. NRC - did ok this season, but is limited. Can't help thinking that its easy to find better for half the wages he was on. I was even impressed by Hogg as the tackling midfielder, and his passing and playing with ball at feet looked better in the few times ive seen him. Petrov does a good job as defensive midfielder for 60-70mins, and is better in possession as long as he has an outlet for the simple ball. As the attcking midfielder in a pair NRC was very limited and the likes of Makoun, Delph, Bannan or even Gardener can step up and in not too much time be better. Verdict: Can buy better or what we have will develop to be better. Carew - Fourth choice striker - Verdict: Delfounso or Weimann will now get more opportunities (and are both potentially more rounded attackers not just big target men) Pires - aging bench warmer. The likes of Bannan, Makoun, Delph and Gardener can easily replace and hopefully get more opportunities. Verdict: Opportunities for what we already have. Brad - great keeper but aging. We can buy a keeper who is as good, that could become even better and will be around for the next 5 to 10 years. Verdict: Chance to improve the squad for the longer term. Dunne/Collins/Cuellar - Cuellar is limited. May be the best last ditch defender we have, but has to play with someone like Clark to make up for his poor distribution and comfort on the ball. Dunne - will he discover his old form? If not then his disruptive presence could easily be gotten rid of. Verdict: Baker and Clark look good long term prospects. One of Dunne and Cuellar could be replaced easily with younger and on less wages. Would keep Collins as one of two senior CBs, but use which ever CB pair has the form at the time. So may or may not need to buy a replacement for whoever goes. Salifou - demi-god. Verdict: Irreplaceable. A void in the club that will never be filled... So apart from the last no panic, and can easily see us being better off in four or five positions... And a new coach/manager can get them playing even better than the last five games of the season. The future's bright, the future's Claret (or scarlet) and blue!! UTV! |
Adam69
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... After the season we have just had we need stability and direction and whilst I agree that there is no rush to appoint a new manager the longer this goes on it must have an effect on the players even before they start pre season. If I was Downing I'd be seriously looking at moving on and I can see the likes of Liverpool taking advantage of our procrastination and getting an offer in even before we have a manager. I cannot believe that the board appear to be so nonchalant and confident that they will appoint the right man. I understand RL stance on the media, but surely lets have some positive pr out of Villa Park to counter all this crap we are getting from the press. After all this drama I can still see it being Hughes in the end and whilst not a bad choice I will be a little dissapointed. |
it'll be ALBRIGHTON the night
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... If it is already agreed at Villa that Hughes is to be appointed on 1st July then I would presume we are activly chasing his targets and discarding players he doesn't want. The thing is people like Stu can't be told "stay because Hughes is our next manager" beacause it might leak out. But if he is next, we need to be sorting out the squad for him now in case those targets are snapped up before 1st July! This means selling the club to players rather than the manager. If Hughes comes we will have a Sparky and a Sharky at the club. |
Greg1981
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... Churchill I don't drop in as often as I used to because I don't see any point until an appointment is made. These are the defining moments; a time when we can have a say (McClaren no way etc). When the appointment is made the game's afoot. That's when you can't have as much of a say; when managers are locked in position and any spend committed. So this is all critical, crucial. For me Lerner hasn't thus far made any mistakes that he could easily have foreseen. This is his defining moment. |
Billy7
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... I believe we have a short list of candidates in which we would like to talk to, Martinez was offered the chance to 'talk' but probably knows the other candidates and realises he wouldn't be offered the job, if he went for talks and then had to stay at Wigan that would have made him look a little silly? I hope the shortlist remaining consists of Moyes, Hughes, Ranieri, Rijkard! I have a feeling we'll be seeing 2 appointments, a young coach, Poyet/Grayson, and a director of football/transfer dealings, Ranieri! |
Nike
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... Dear Santa All I want for Christmas is an Aston Villa Manager As for Downing id let him go aswell but only if Lerner is willing to replace him with another decent winger which i doubt he will Downing will be sold and the money transfered straight to Randys personal back account or the account of Clevland Browns |
vivavilla
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... Can someone please start a vicious rumour that Ranieri is about to take the job? I have over 1k worth of profit on him at the moment |
Nike
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... ipod calm down are you on your monthly's ? It took him six weeks to replace O'Neill All tho they are confident it won't take that long this time can we be confident too ? The only thing iv known to be done quick at Aston Villa is the Darren Bent deal everything else seems to take a month of sundays be it selling buying or hiring |
Nike
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... Robm agree 100% is he still a chelsea player tho and just on loan at swans or did they buy him ? Would be a good replacement for Young |
Raz
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... Players we should look at signing: shaqiri strurridge foster hangeland (when Hughes signs) dembele Stuart Holden Kyle walker keep downing thatll do, then we'd finish top half easy UTV |
theleague
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... i heard that hughes wanted a release clause in his contract,if a top 4 club comes in for him he can go,with no compensation. |
robm
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... Still think Hughes's aim is to prove himself as a worthy replacement for SAF and sees us as his next step towards that aim. |
Raz
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... Our squad would be class then. Foster walker hangeland collins young shaqiri Holden makoun delph sturridge bent bench - downing (because he's pissd me off) bannan, dembele, cuellar, guzan, agbonlahor, petrov seriously, this football management malarchy is easy money! UTV |
Nike
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... Raz that might be possible on championship manager but in terms of real football ? Really ? I don't think Lerner wants to spend much i think we kinda learned that from the Rafa situation |
Bond
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... Jame5y Hahaha, nice one. Did anyone notice on friday that Martinez was already a Villa manager according to Wikipedia, there was a new paragraph set up and everything! 'On June 9th Martinez was revealed as the new manager of Aston Villa'. Cant trust any site! |
vivavilla
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... The Betfair market suggests people are already believing McLeish will get the Villa job. I sincerely hope this changes. |
Nike
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... No way Reports MCliesh has resigned Randy Lerner please do not be a complete crackpot please i beg you He plays negative football like no one else at Rangers and the scum it don't take a genuis to see that for crying out loud Please don't be true NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
caleb
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... Alex Mcleish favourite to be villa manager. Just when you thought you couldn't be more underwhelmed with Mclaren... |
.vogra
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... If we get Mcleish i don't know whether to laugh or cry..surely Lerner isnt going to hire him, how can we employ someone who got a team relegated. I can see a massive backlash if this happens. |
jame5y
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... right lets say it together. Mcleish to Everton Mcleish to Everton Mcleish to Everton |
robm
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... It looks like McLeish in answer to the question at the head of this thread: We are sinking! |
villaman
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... HAHAHAHAHAHA This is f**king hilarious couldn't write a script like this... Please don't let him be coming to Villa, if he comes Villa lads, lets all go down Villa Park and make a protest.. |
Manilla_villa
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... Please not Alex Mcleish...let's just hope this is the start of a manager merry go round. Just come out on sky sports that he'd welcome the opportunity to at least speak to villa. |
Nike
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... You watch all the pretenders now try and make out that Mcleish is not to bad He is worse than bad he is flammin useless surely everyone has seen the negative football they play and especially against us last season its so anti football its unreal Please Randy Lerner listen he is not wanted at all |
sjh
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... listen somethings going on.Its a managerial merry-go-round.Mcleish has quit to take over another side in the pl and we will get their manager.RL will never sign mcleish,someone would probably get killed! lol hopefully things will sped up now anyway |
B62 Villa
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... SSN reporting Mcleish has stated he would welcome the Villa job, god no i will not go to VP with that ginger c**t in charge, if randy appoints him he is obviously looking for a way out, at this rate it might be in an ambulance, this is a sick joke if this happens he will effectually be committing financial and football suicide |
ou812
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... Cant be serious this. McLeish has said he would relish the chance the manage villa. Still dont believe RL would do this. If Hughes was not considered due to him leaving Fulham then why would it be any different with McLeish. Nope, He is going to Bolton or Everton once we get our man! |
villaman
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... Didn't that guy twitter a few days ago, villa will be very happy to get the ginger man... I don't know what to do... SUICIDE SUICIDE SUICIDE... NO think rational... SUICIDE! SUICIDE! arghghhhh |
Vijayd
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... get McClaren before Notts Forest get him, this is what we've come to, total shambles!! LERNER OUT!! |
Doc Bowles
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... McLeish will not be Villa's next manager. Randy Lerner may not communicate with the fans, but I'm sure he is not a suicidal moron. McLeish must be taking his particular brand of dire, negative, scrappy football somewhere else - and Roger Bloody Johnson with him, while Frank Rijkaard brings some Dutch flair to B6. Surely not. Just surely not. It's not even because he's a bluenose - he's just s**t. |
villaman
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... Come on lads we gotta admit all this is hilarious literally in tears here, I'm hoping its from laughter..... |
Vijayd
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... Mcleish says he's interested in the villa job and wants to talk to us! Where are you my god? |
Damian
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... There is good reason to believe that Moyes could be the next Aston Villa manager. If that is the case - the people that matter at Everton will know. They will speak to people in football and take recommendations. One of the people they might very well speak to is Walter Smith. Walter Smith could very well recommend Alex McLeish. McLeish would far rather PL football than Championship football. It could, make sense. |
Walls10
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... u can f**k off if you get that Ginger jock In at my club you want get me renewing my season Ticket but I still think Hughes is the man |
Matt Crossfield
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... it would be absolutely disgusting if mcleish did get the job at villa park. I for one will not be renewing any season tickets. It would be an absolute joke We are already a laughing stock with the rest of the premier league. Villa - sort it out!!! |
villaman
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... Everyone be at Villa park 6pm tomorrow, we need to stop this before its too late.. This cannot be happening, I thought McClaren was bad but Mcliesh, the most negative football manager ever and to be coming from the scum is even worse.. Randy if you and your advisor's do read this blog, if you appoint Alex Mcliesh I will guarantee you will see all season ticket sales fall and the biggest protest in a good few years. |
mickey86
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... i really cant see this happening - if he never interviewed mclaren becasue of a fans backlask then why would he offer the job to mclaren? damian - you might be rite on the everton scenario - it makes sense. |
robm
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... Lerner has it in for the fans now after the McClaren debacle it was no coincidence that McLeish's price shortened in the betting yesterday and today, he will be our manager this time tomorrow I have no doubt about it I would go as far as to say the deal is already done no other reason for him to resign, he had signed 2 players last week (Chris Burke and Marlon King) think about it! its a done deal. |
ou812
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... im trying to remain calm here. I am nervous as you never can say never but surely there is no chance McLeish can become our next manager. Im liking the idea of Mcleish to Everton/Bolton & Moyes/Coyle to Villa. SSN saying all mails are of anger by villa fans so I really cannot see him coming here. |
B62 Villa
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... Moyes is not gonna leave everton, our worst nightmare is going to come true, we are getting mcleish, a bluenose t**t who has got the clowns relegated twice, i have a sinking feeling this sounds like another avram grant scenario of getting two clubs relegated in succesive seasons, it will put pay to my season ticket next year |
Bloggert
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... I sevierly doubt RL n PF would be that stupid. I think what damien said makes perfect sence n if we did get moyes I for one would be quite happy |
.vogra
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... mickey86 i really cant see this happening - if he never interviewed mclaren becasue of a fans backlask then why would he offer the job to mclaren? I agree, this could be a coincidence, McLiesh has probably been told he has to sell all his players, thats why he's gone IMO, the relationship between the board and Mcliesh has been spikey throughout, getting in players he doesnt want, maybe telling him they're sellin Roger Johnson over his head was the last straw for him..... I HOPE!!!! |
mjasghar
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... Calm down Mcclown at forest so that's one safe Mcleish resigns probably cos he's been told to sell roger Johnson their only quality defender not to do with the villa job |
robm
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... Its because we objected to McClaren, this will be done, I am sure if Moyes or Coyle were coming he would have waited for that to happen before resigning, and does anyone think Everton or Bolton fans would be any more happier with a manager who has just been relegated than we are? No sorry but he's coming to us IMO. |
RobAVFC
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... The only reason I would want Mc Leish at VP is to give him a round of applause for taking the clowns to the Championship. Then he can F**K off back to Small Heath. Come on Randy you cannot be that stupid |
CK
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... Villa need to stop making us wait, it's getting worst and worst, i like the fact that McLiesh resigned by email, please do not let him get the manager's job otherwsie we are screwed !!! |
robm
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... If my memory is correct McLeish was mentioned in some quarters before the season ended. |
villabiker
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... does rl know the hate we have for each other . i wont be renewing my season ticket HEART IS POUNDING |
fox-in-the-box
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... Blue nose mates texting me taking the piss bigtime!! I'm not gonna rise to it though as I know this can not and will not happen!! Still convinced its been Hughes since day one, not over the moon but feel like I should be looking at some of these media fueled clowns. |
villaman
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... robm how can you speak so calmly about the prospect of Alex f**king Mcliesh coming to Villa Park to ruin our weekends with dire football. It makes me physically sick. |
Walls10
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... Piss me the is great never seen anything like This did s**t myself for about 5mins we won't Have that blues nose t**t |
Maindog
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... NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!...We have done well so far using 'fan power' in not getting McClaren. W now need to do the same for Alex McLeish. Lerner and Faulkner, if you appoint this man, the fans will hate you. Sort yourselves out and get this mess sorted!!!!!! |
Elmo Grub
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... In his defence he did win a cup and take the clowns to their highest finish in 50 years... getting relegated with the clowns isn't something to be ashamed of; it's to be expected. Just saying. Anyway I hear no fat lady singing - only the feint sound of tills dingling at the Skybet offices. The only thing that's very probable, to the point of being almost sure, is that by this time tomorrow Randy Lerner will either be loved by (nearly) all or hated by (nearly) all. They'll be very few on the fence. |
robm
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... Yankee owners always see it as "their money their club" look at Liverpool's previous owners, we are just iritants, Lerner has never appeared at fan's forums to address us (as far as I recall) he wont because we dont matter to him. |
Bahamavillan
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... Everyone needs to calm down. Yeung's business in the Cayman Islands announced its bankruptcy to the Hong Kong stock exchange a few days ago. Birmingham have no money to spend. They didn't prepare for relegation correctly either. Mcleish is leaving because the blues are in trouble. He's jumping ship before the ship sinks. It could be another Leeds United.... On the Nottingham Forest sacking - incredible! I'd be surprised if they didn't go for Martin O'Neil with his connections to the club. Could be a match made in heaven. |
Villain down South
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... I haven't posted for a while and I'll do my best to back whatever manager gets appointed. Even if it's McClaren or Hughes I wouldn't be happy but I'd back them. I have to say though that the appointment of McLeish would be terrible. I truly hope the club are not seriously considering him. Does worry me that is the bookies favourite... |
Darrenvilla26
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... Won't be mccleish don't be f****e, he has been tapped up by Bolton or everton to take over there when we appoint moyes or coyle The guy above hit the nail on the head, he's jumped a sinking ship |
get IN
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...There is good reason to believe that Moyes could be the next Aston Villa manager. If that is the case - the people that matter at Everton will know. They will speak to people in football and take recommendations. Damian why do you think Moyes could very well be out next manager? |
Darrenvilla26
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... Ps would love to see mcclaren appointed at the clowns lol And just to add to my above post- learner listened to the uproar from fans about mcclaren and is intelligent to anticipate the same from the same pocket of fans. |
steve villa boy
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... Now I've got the rant over, Mcleish will not becoming to us.It is just lasy jurno practice and sells papers. If Leaner was put off by McClaren, then the backlash if Mcleish became manager could loose him the club. Leaner is aware that ther next manager will be measured by incoming season ticket sales and the fans will protest this way and the club can not take that gamble Mcliesh would also be hounded out of the club, and does Leaner really want to see such a protest from Villa fans and do we as Villa fan want to get into this situation |
Darrenvilla26
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... Robm it is exactly about money because mccleish was heaped with pressure with the club expecting immediate promotion, anything less and he would be deemed a failure - then they've begun the auction for some of their "star" players ....mccleish would have been thinking no chance without the likes of foster dann johnson and larrson....so has gone. |
villabiker
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... Ive calmed down a little surely if we have any ambition of holding onto our players this would not be a sensible move. Think he has walked out because of the financial side. Just praying it is going to be Moyes the fans are goin mad on talksport RL cant be that dumb (CAN HE) |
Shaw82
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... I am going to get some s**t for this but this could be just what midlands football needed and to me Mcleish looks like he takes no s**t and has worked on a low budget and has found some great players for them, think how much it will piss off the blues if he bought Foster and Johnson with him!!! I do understand the reaction but I just think it might work! He couldn't afford to fail!!!! |
Heroes & Villans
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... The longer this goes on the more danger we are to drown....we are ok at the moment but it hinges on what Learner does. This really is do or die for Randy and us fans....we will shorlty find out if we are air lifted to safety or we will be meeting Davy Jones! |
Darrenvilla26
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... Sky sports and talk s**te are just lazy ignorant media nobs....it's so easy to link any free manager with the villa job and that's exactly what they've done this last week making our beloved club look like a joke all because their sources - who is probably some fat cock eyed Harry redknapp looking bloke- reckons the said manager would be interested - it ain't fekin rocket science that a jobless manager would welcome talks with Aston villa, I'd love a job as megan foxes masseuse but it doesn't mean she wants me |
Happycatme
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... OMG again... How many other clubs are without a manager? Why does that make it obvious he's coming to us??? Get a grip, folks... Mark Hughes resigned last week, and the betting said he was coming here. Did it happen? We've seen 6 or 7 odds-on favourites based on nothing but rumour and lazy journo claptrap. We all suspected the Blues chairman was a muppet, and maybe he's told McLeish he's got to sell the family silver, making his position untenable. Why would he stay? Stop looking at the betting odds, and taking it as fact, as that's just the bookies reacting to money movements. The reactions here sometimes are like playground rantings...Grow up, men and women... Trust the chairman until we see/hear otherwise... |
Richexiledincoventry
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... MCleish is not coming to the Villa. It won't happen as there is far too much history. My main objection would not be because of the Blues connection but purely on the nregative style of football. He would no doubt argue that he had to play with what he had after the Blues board failed to cough up for Ngzobiia and Pavlechenko Both tarketed by McLeish). I'd rather have him than Mcclaren though (great news he's in talks at Forest) but this is all irrelevent as McLeish is not coming. |
robm
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... Goal.com; say McLeish is our top target that was this morning before he reigned. This is going to happen and it spells major problems. Although we may get Foster, Johnson and I would hope Dann. Does not look good. |
sasa
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... There's already over 1000 fans on FB opposing this potential digusting scenario. Sky are playing this straight out of the Whelan textbook of stitching. Got some t**t Rob Dorset saying RL has spoken to him in the past about AM in glowing terms. Funny how it's SkyBet who are offering short odds, then some bloke from that bookie tried to cover their arses by saying Hughes was odds on straight after he resigned so take it with a pinch of salt. Anyway, RIP Faulkner if you have the bottle to have a hand in this. |
EddieAv
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... I might be on my own on this one but let's face it Alex mcleish has hinted he wants to come to villa or talk to them and after the embarrassment of Martinez at least someone wants to come. My view is mcleish built a good workman like team at blues and I think if he is given the right support he would be a good manager as I say I appear to be a minority but I would support Randy learner. I can't remember the last time any other villa chairman put up over 20m for a player, randy did when it was needed. I think mcleish would steadily build a good team at villa and that's what we need once all the prima donnas have gone. Who cares what club he comes from, it'd the best man for the job and enough of our players have moved the other side of the city recently. |
TrueVillan
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... if he comes it will make my girlfriends day, because I will be done with watching Villa on a saturday afternoon! I know people are saying stay calm, but while we have no manager it remains a possibility! christ, I would sooner McLaren than him! they listened on McLaren, we have to make them listen on this!  |
steve in ireland
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... So okay Villa's PR machine, if you've got anything about you, you will release a statement saying we are not interested in the ginger minger. You've done it with other managers so come on put us out of misery and tell us its NOT Mcleish |
Darrenvilla26
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...EddieAv said: Mccleish hasn't hinted anything stop being so gullible |
Raz
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... Never seen nothig like this. But, to be fair, blues are in financial ruins and they have put pressure on him to get hem promoted at the first opportunity without Johnson, foster and probably dann. This is possibly why he has left. Villa have been looking for a manager for along time now. What if Martinez got it? Then mccleish would have been too late. It doesn't make sense for him to leave at this stage for the villa job. He has probably just left a s**t sinkig ship behind at a time when villa are concidentally searching for a manager. Hughes to be appointed UTV!!!! |
steve villa boy
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... Darrenvilla Your dead right - Its a lasy jurno and it is not happening, so we can all relax We would probably take a few players from them but not there manager. Lets face it, McLiesh's football is totally the opposite to what the Villa are attempting to do. |
robm
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... I have to say I dont think McLaren was ever in the club's thoughts, McLaren's people wanted to encourage us but all the discussion linking Villa with McLaren came from his side. Once Martinez chose to stay at Wigan I firmly believe contact was made with McLeish which is how he became the favourite for the job, now this, its a disgrace if it happens but it certainly looks possible and sadly probable. |
EddieAv
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... I think the fact he has resigned with a managers position open across the city is enough to tell me its not being gullible. Reading a lot of the comments from villa fans about Randy learner, I thinks ome villa fans have short memories and should remember the days of David oleary and Doug Ellis being in control when we never had any money to spend. What villa need now is stability at the club and someone who wants to manage, and players who want to play for us. |
Bond
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... Sod it, Id be settled with him. Lets get the club going again. Anyway hes a Glaswegian, spiritual home of decent managers. The s**t were a stepping stone, who cares! |
villan 4 life
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... yes it does Robbo, but if he ever did get the job i won't be seen at VP until his gone, simples |
EddieAv
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... Totally agree Bond. The trouble is some villa fans see the negative in everything. We,re not going to get the likes of ancellotti and if anything this is a coup over blues and we should be seeing it as a positive. If he was coming from any other club in the country would we be making such a fuss |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... Appointing McLeish would be a disaster . Relegating them twice cancels out any league cup win. Awful awful football too. Would be an awful appointment. |
Bond
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... EddieAv I think a fuss would be made by a lot of these negative fans whoever it would be, its like being back in the playground! Sign the deal Mcleish lets get going. Blues, up yours. |
Villa by Birth
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... Guys Its DM to villa, MH to everton - simples and i sadi this a few days ago!!!! |
Villa by Birth
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... Next Everton Manager Betting Odds All odds for this market come from bookmakers Sky Bet and are correct as of 31/03/2011, click on the odds to place a bet. ■3/1 – Martin O’Neill ■7/1 – Slaven Bilic ■8/1 – Alex McLeish |
zeus
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... Big Eck may want to come to villa but: 1-If the reason we aren't interested in Hughes is because of the way he walked out of Fulham, then we won't appoint McLeish for the same reason 2-If we cancelled McClarens interview due to the fans disapproval -which I don't believe we did- then there is no way that McLeish would even be considered 3-Lerner isn't stupid and would know the repercussions of appointimg him, meaning that he won't be considered or they McLeish just may be a good appointment However most of this is rumours caused by the press to get the biggest possible reaction over McLeish resigning. I'm 99% sure we won't sign him and if we do, then he should be given a fair trial before being slaughtered, at least until Christmas. Keep the faith, In Randy we trust. |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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...I think a fuss would be made by a lot of these negative fans whoever it would be, its like being back in the playground! Sign the deal Mcleish lets get going. What a load of crap. McLeish has managed to relegate Blues twice despite a load of junk being the league this season just gone . The football Birmingham play under him is absolutely dire to watch - ask any Bluenose . Yes great league cup success but he would be a disastrous appointment imo for so many reasons . |
zeus
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... Also, the reason for his odds shortening yesterday was probably more to do with people knowing he was about to quit the noses rather that people thinking we are interested |
ak_27
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... If its McLeish im done with this club. Sorry but if Lerner is that stupid then whats the point. |
EddieAv
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... Bottom line is reading all these comments..... Even if moyes gets the job, and we lose our first 3 games, no doubt all the boo boys will be there and we will be looking for another new manager. Why is it such a bad thing if mcleish comes.. Just because he,s from Blues... Short sighted. We should remember a lot of teams could've gone down last season so it was a close call. As far as blues playing badly, they knocked us out the cup and they didn't look too bad to me against arsenal in the final. |
EddieAv
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... Zeus I agree with you. Let's all remember that Randy forked out a fortune for bent which is probably the reason we stayed up. I didn't see mcleish getting that. But according to some Fans thats our so called crap chairman. Let's back lerner. |
bobvillian
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... Slagging of mclaren by our fans;now big elk could be coming? Be very carefull what you wish for, |
mickey86
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... if he has resigned by email - blues wouldnt of had chance to accept his resignation - they wont want to lose him for free when they can keep him and get compensation. i dont think he will be able to manage villa anyway, atleast not for a month or so and we will probably most likely have to pay compensation. |
Bahamavillan
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... If we appointed Mcleish, B/ham city would say we tapped him up, and would have to pay a hefty compensation. 1. Villa paid off Houllier and O'Neil, I doubt they'd pay hefty compensation for a manager that relegated his team. 2. Mcleish doesn't fit our style of football. 3. Randy Lerner prides himself in doing things the right way. If Mcleish signs, it would destroy Lerner's good rep. It's more probable Mcleish went to the board, found out what mess they are in and resigned. Bill Davies got sacked at Nottingham Forest....no one's saying he's a dead cert for the villa job. It's just the tabloids putting two and two together. They got it wrong with Ancelotti, Hughes, Benitez and now Mcleish. Everyone needs to have a few beers and chill out. This board will get it right. |
Chopperlong
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... Please please not Mcleish surely we don't want to follow the scum down into the championship please Randy go for Moyes |
Bond
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... EddieAv You know what it is dont you. The boo boy mentality at this club was created by old Doug. He had no patience either!! |
Shaw82
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... If he has got the bottle to do it then he has more bottle than most! I think if a chairman has listened to us once (Mclaren) then we have to get behind him. Imagine he does a great job and how much that would hurt the blues!!! I'm not convinced it will happen, but if it does then so be it. He was promised things that didn't happen at blues and I do think he would do a decent job. I couldn't ever have entertained potato head but Mcleish I feel has always showed a little bit more respect. Isn't Mcleish good friends with Houllier! We had a manager who loved Liverpool alot more than he would ever of loved us! People asked for an appointment from 'outside the box' , well you got it! If you don't like it I suggest we should be careful what we ask for!!! UTV |
zeus
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... Some people on here seems to play out the worst or best (normally worst) scenario out into their heads and because other people have posted that scenario on here, convince themselves it is going to happen and get extremely angry or ecstatic (or ECKstatic) in the process, with sense spiralling into nothingness. The only reason we have to think we're appointing McLeish is because he's regigned. I can think of numerous reasons for him resigning: no funds; championship club; being forced to sell best players; fear for his reputation; he knows he can't get them promoted etc. |
Villa by Birth
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... There was a point in time when I was frustrated with this now i can see the dominos falling - in Randy we trust Its David Moyes after ore of his players are linked with moves UTV |
Bahamavillan
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... An interesting article linking us with Jonny Evans if Moyes comes to villa, in the Belfast Telegraph. At the right price, not a bad signing that. |
ronski6
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... So, which camp do you fall into? 1. You believe that McLeish is undoubtedly the next Villa manager. 2. You believe that McLeish is some part of a managerial merry-go-round, and we'll get Moyes. 3. McLiesh leaving is pure coincidence and Rijkaard, Hughes et al are in line for the job. Personally speaking, i'm a 1! |
robm
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... zeus; but he signed two players last week, he has made his decision this weekend for whatever reason and I think we all know what that is. |
mickey86
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... its ok everyone - droyd is on route to capture mcleish to stick him in his basement, hes gonna run out of gimp masks soon tho. |
Villa by Birth
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... Mickey86 droyd is on route to capture mcleish to stick him in his basement, hes gonna run out of gimp masks soon tho. the big eck doesn't need a new one! |
mickey86
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...zeus; but he signed two players last week, he has made his decision this weekend for whatever reason and I think we all know what that is. maybe the board signed the sex attacker and he didnt want him so left? |
bermudavilla
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... Keep the Faith..............Randy didn't get all his cash from being stupid. Theres no way that clown will be coming here. Remember no can talk to hughes for 30 days and that is getting closer day by day. |
Bahamavillan
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... Foster, Johnson and Dann are on their way out. Got to sell off alot more players to make ends meet. Doesn't look like a promotion chasing team does it? That's why he's left. He's not on his way to villa. If he was, why would Randy jet off back to the states? The link to villa is a load of rubbish. |
DaveAV1
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... AK_27 come on son that's not like you. Breathe lad breathe, take another swig out of the bottle and relax!! Villa 'til I die |
rocky
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...Bond said:you were carpin on about how great Mcclaren would be as well the other day,funny how the two most despised possible managers would be ok for you, nose |
DaveAV1
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... Neil Lennon 4th fave now. McLeish to Celtic?? Now if you think we'd hate him........ LOL |
Altan
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...Keep the Faith..............Randy didn't get all his cash from being stupid No his Dad gave it to him ..! |
villan 4 life
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... Bond and EDDIE, Soory lad but s**t football and the fact that iv seen it all before(need something different FR, sorry it would be the worst move, don't care about geting one over the blues because this is AV not BC. UTV NO BC MANAGERS. |
B62 Villa
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... This time the basement at Droyds house wont be sufficient mclaren has already escaped to Nottingham complete with Gimp mask, ginger mcleish needs bundling in a van and taking to the outer hebrides, where he can be lashed to a goat and allowed only to roam the hills for all seasons long |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Am I the only one here who is not particularly happy with recruiting Moyes, particularly as it would cost £7 million of our limited transfer fund to do so. |
word
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... i would have supported mclaren,, and even hughes (i don't rate him, but it's still villa) but i really dunno if i have the force of will to get behind mcleish. his team don't attack ever... they just wait to be beaten. he also whinges and his team act in a poor manner but it's the negativity that gets me most.. VP would have all the cheer of death row if he came along. i'll try to support him-- but please randy,, please don't say it's him. |
bobvillian
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... JUST THINK WE COULD HAVE GARDNER;FERGIESON;IN OUR MIDFIELD AND RIDGEWELL BACK IN DEFENCE? THE MIND BOGGLES |
Bahamavillan
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...Am I the only one here who is not particularly happy with recruiting Moyes, particularly as it would cost £7 million of our limited transfer fund to do so. He's the right man for the club. Money well spent. |
villaninkent
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... Am I the only one feeling strange kind of psychological effects from all this rubbish? All the uncertainty and chopping and changing that is based on entirely myth and no real fact. There is NO WAY Lerner would appoint McLeish yet the masses speak about it as though its a done deal. McLeish's Birmingham future was always uncertain and the signing of King was the final straw for him, nothing to do with Villa. I'd even take McClaren over McLeish! It won't be happening. And it WON'T BE MOYES either! Why would he leave a 10+ year legacy to come to a club that haven't been performing as well yet MAY have a little bit more money. Having said that the list of options is massively dwindling. I predict a massive anti-climax, with Hughes being named manager some point soon. Bored and fed up of the whole thing. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... McLeish resigned not for the Villa job as he was expected to get promotion first time round at the same time as knowing his better players would be leaving (Dann, Johnson, Foster, Laursen). They also are on the verge of a huge financial crisis and the backlash (rightly IMO) against Marlon King was the final straw (if he was a McLeish signing in the first place - remember he's away on holiday). |
steve villa boy
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... The blues blog is saying good riddance to Mcliesh and if we are that desperate then have him No way scum |
Greg1981
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... Ak: If its McLeish im done with this club. He's not. Never in a million years. Just look at the Blog. I think Lerner is logged on! |
Rortyboy
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... Prepared to eat my words but MattK's stock falls for running this story - just meant to sell papers and I thought he was off this weekend anyway. |
B62 Villa
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... David Moyes all day long for me, he is the best out there that we can get, £7m is alot of compo but he will be worgh it in the long run, plus we have just got £3m for finishing 9th. If anyone is till undecided bout him or even Hughes have a look at the alternatives, mcleish, mclaren, curbishly. Enough said UTV SOTC |
Bond
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... Rocky Id prefer Moyes over any of them any day. But I would be ok with them. I disagree with Hughes most of all. My point about McClaren was that too many people have over reacted solely on what the media have said in the past and are fearful of his reputation rather than focus on his abilities which are proven. Plus I can't stand some of the senseless babble disguised as passionate comment, these pollute the thread. more informed discussion please. |
andy lochead in the air
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... villainkent, I know what you mean, but at the same time I am oddly enjoying it, too. Probably going to be an anti-climax when announcement made. btw, just don't see it being McLeish |
EddieAv
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... I agree that it's an interesting debate who should be manager. We,re all entitled to our opinions. The thing that annoys me about some villa fans is that towards the end of oneills reign the boo boys were out saying has hen taken us as far a we can go. I think oneill felt slightly annoyed wih being subjected to that. I read some of the comments about Randy being a yank this etc etc, do the villa fans want to see Randy get fed up and villa get taken over by some Hong kong no faced businessman that gives us no money. I think some villa fans need to have a reality check and start remembering how bad things had started to get. We would all like to see someone like moyes come but if we cant persuade Martinez what's the likelihood of that. If mcleish wants the job let him have a go and get behind him and stop looking at the glass as half empty. |
Damian
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... The eagle eyes visitors will have noticed that the Transfer Window Watch box is now at the top right hand side again .. the window is open and as such, it deserves its place back. 5 out so far .. first team squad members that is |
Villa by Birth
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... Guys it moyes and TBH £7 mill is a bargain Liverscum paid £35 mill for Carroll |
ElliotG
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... We DO NOT want McLeish at villa park. Give me second choice Steve instead of that blue nose fool!! From the outset i've said Benitez, show some ambition Randy go for a manager with pedigree!! Sadly i'm starting to understand why MON left, this looks absolutely farcical. Approaching second rate managers (and getting turned down!!) because he doesn't want to bank roll transfers DOES NOT look good to the fans. Pull your finger out RL, if you want to settle for mediocrity why should we bother?! |
pjmavfc
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... read this a few days ago ..... The news I have been waiting and hinting at, PLEASE LET IT BE. Basically the web for the last 24 hours has been alight with Moyes rumours, forget Martinez, that was smoke. Well plenty of ITK’s around but this time a second journo (remember Graeme Bailey from Sky a couple of days ago ??) has broken it James Dodd a Talksport producer (and they got Martinez spot on) has said Very Interesting news ‘potentially’ coming out for #Villa fans tomorrow. You could be a very happy bunch if you like Ginger Scots…#AVFC LINK It is NOT Strachan or McCleish can only be one … (moyes) OR IS IT!!!!!! |
Villa by Birth
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... Damian when you get 5 minutes can you please post a tirade about believing news paper articles and the assembled idiots at TS i am so hoping that RL comes and gives us his wisdom one day - i guess the UK press hate the way we behave. I for one am pleased we demonstrate a sensible approach as a founder member of the PL |
mjasghar
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... Richexiled I think Roger j being offered behind his back was the last straw Btw 2nd in la liga is failure So you'd say no to mouriniho |
BartonVilla1
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... Ian Holloway.... we would finish mid table and enjoy watching the football, thats what being a Villa fan should be about, i'd take mid table and a saturday afternoon watching decent football !! |
Falmouth Villan
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... Relax guys its all settled... it will be Hughes from the 1st July! Great post Doc and a very balanced read, i think RL is in full control of the situation he has shown what he thinks of the fans voice and acted accordingly, i think he has struck a deal with Sparky and everything else is just smoke! let me throw something else in the pot...Ash knows he is just breaking into the England first 12-14, he also knows he needs to be playing week in week out with the euros comming up, he has also gone on holiday HALF WAY through doing a deal to become a potential bench warmer at Man U! would it just be possible that RL has told him who is commimg and that he may be going to build the team around AY? Maybe RL has asked him to give us 1 more year after all it would have only cost us £9m for 4 years then...not too bad!, and it would make sense for AY to be a big fish in a little pond rather than the other way round at Man U. That sort of commitment would entice anyone to stay, after all when was the last time you heard of a player going on hols when all he had left to do was sign! However i just want the club to make regular statements even if its to deny interest etc etc instead of the silent treatment, after all RL may financially own the club...but it really belongs to the fans as without the fans there is no support = no club! U.T.V. |
frosty
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... It's crazy to panic about McLeish, we have issues with Hughes because of loyalty issues so theres no way our nemisis could jump ship and join, it would go against everything Randy stands for. I agree with Damian, this is potentially good news. A Scot to replace a Scot at Everton and I'd be a very happy man indeed. |
Mikeystanton
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... Important news , from an inside source i am being told that aston villa are not to point Alex mcleish as our next manager this is because randy learner does everything from the book and he doesn't like upsetting clubs , for instance he refused to point mark Hughes as the next manager because of his lack of respect towards fulham therefore to point Alex mcleidh would be against learners principle because he did exactly what mar Hughes has done and sources have told me mcleish is of to ever ton and moyes is coming to us it's a certain also i attempted to put a bet on moyes yesterday and they refused me from betting due to apparent inappropriate behaviour on. My william hill account , can anyone explain that ? |
Richexiledincoventry
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... mjasghar Simple answer. Rangers are not Barcelona and suprisingly and contraversially yes I would say no to Jose. Imagine the wages, the transfer kitty he'd want and his methods are usually all about how to stop the opposition rather than allowing players to express themselves. UTV |
villan 4 life
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... Eddie, Eddie come on Eddie(4rm Coming to America Eddie Murphy), Look NO Mcleish,seriously why do some of you guys think he would do well, piss me write off when I read such CACK. |
Villa by Birth
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... Guys I know that we all have our opinions but i agree with Mikeystanton i ad truoble placing abet with PP yesterday eventually getting on with BET365. Is it me being stupid but why is AM 5/2 to get Everton job and MOn at 4's Think about it RL is helping the clubs we get on with There is also a famous picture of RL with DM its a done deal!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
eoin1981
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... The facts: - The media have shown time after time after time that they do not have a clue what is going on at VP. - The fans have shown time after time after time that they believe the media no matter how many times they display their lack of facts. - If viila fans had been around in Aesops times - we never would have had that fable about the wolf. - Lerner, I believe, in his time that he conducts himself the proper way - Delph, Martinez spring to mind - Martinez turned down the opportunity to even talk to Villa, not the job but to talk to Villa. Disappointing, but he didn't reject us because he wasn't offered a 'war chest'. He also showed he has no ambition - so he wasn't the right candidate anyway (and I would have liked him..) What about these possibilities: - Lerner would never tap up a manager - unless given permission by a club - ruling out connections with Hughes, Moyes and McLeish.. - McClaren was never in the picture, don't believe the fan backlash crap... - Lerner backed O'Neill and backed him big, he spent 24m on Bent. He'll back his next manager too. Maybe we should relax a few days, not pay attention to the 'journalists' and give the chairman a chance. |
Scrumpy
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... As I posted earlier, some of the likely attributes of the managerial candidates and how McCliesh matches up... 1) young-ish. NO 2) reputation for playing passing possession football. NO 3) Either proven history with transfers or the ability to work with a director/owner that handles transfers. NO this is the guy that bought Davies and that feckless Giant Zigic... enough said. 4) Proven ability to work with existing resources. NO - relegated twice 5) Premier League experience either as player, coach or manager. YES but then so does every past player and manager... so not enough on its own. 6) Any reputation or history of developing and working with younger players would be an essential bonus. NO 7) Ideally but not essential.... a past Villa player. NO SO they won't even have bothered to put McCliesh's name on the NO list he is that unsuitable and far wide of what we are looking for..... Relax! |
rocky
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... 37 goals last season - 38 the year before. - Least shots this season and least shots on target. - Most long balls played in the league. - 2 relegations in 3 seasons Don`t know about you lot but i`m with Eddy Bond i`d love Mcleish |
EddieAv
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... Villan 4 life... As I said earlier we,re all entitled to our opinions. Here's my thoughts and they're not based on the fact he,s a Birmingham manager. How many teams outside of the top four have managed to win a major trophy. I also believe that whether we like it or not mcleish had started to build a good team at blues, with limited funds and limited wages. The team at blues did have fight and passion and all they needed was a decent striker and a bit more strength in the squad and they would've had a very capable side. I also think he is a manager with integrity. I also don't think we will attract the sort of manager that we would like to think we can have and I believe that any atempt we can have of making it into top four is by having players who work hard and have passion and a love for villa and want to paly for villa. I think mcleish is a manager that will attempt to do this, most of the comments I have read here are based on the fact he was a manager of blues and that's all that's stopping it. I agree mcleish would not be my first choice as manager but for the reasons stated I would be prepared to give him go if he is serious about wanting to manage villa. |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... Dnno why or how some are playing devils advocate to the idea of McLeish coming here. Would be an awful appointment and a disaster. The football at Blues under him was f**king awful. Thankfully i doubt our board are as stupid as some of our fans are. Or least i hope... |
EddieAv
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... It doesn't matter what we all say we need someone in fast or we will be in our own relegation scrap either way... |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... Actually it does matter EddieAv - you may have not noticed but McLeish didn't do very well in recent relegation scrap - did he? |
Falmouth Villan
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... EddieAV...no we dont need somebody in fast we would just LIKE somebody in fast....it needs to be the right man this time! |
EddieAv
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... Ok Bobby knows his stuff. But was that the same relegation scrap we were in until we got bent, and Martinez. |
Bond
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... Some great stats there Rocky. Thats why the scum are s**t. Luckily thats due to the limitations of the actual team and resources at the club. McCleish would be ok, not my first choice by a long shot. But his track record has some substance, more so than Hughes. When you ain't got money as he did'nt then life is tougher. Relegation not his fault first time. Even we could of gone down this time and we had cash. Every manager has faults, please can you just be more positive when you analyse these things or I'll have to speak to the headmaster. |
fastbackace
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...eoin1981 greatly said... all these gossip girls on here are driving me mad like frem. |
jc30
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... Its not Mcleish, its Moyes, uve heard it off me. Craig Gardner is a punter in my betting office, he's currently on hols, but his best m8 has come in my shop tonight and told me what Craig has told him. There was talk of Mcleish early last season of him going to Everton, now he has quit Blues and Gardner adamately says Mcleish wont be going to Villa. So it looks like Moyes will leave Everton for Villa with Mcleish going to Everton. Moyes is also dropped to 7/2 second fav to be appointed. take the odds NOW! |
BartonVilla1
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... Randy knows who our next manager will be, not the numptys or as we know them 'the press', because we dont discuss business with them, they have gone an all out assult to undermine our club and its ambitions, so we finished 9th last term and that was a bad season, bet all the West Ham and Blackpool fans wish they had a bad a season as us!! UTV and stop listening to those Midland hating press t!!ts.. |
Vijayd
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... theres no point bothering, if mccleish is appointed theres nothing we can do, remember we are f****e, if we have a good start everything will be forgotten, if we have a bad start then the fun will start lol LERNER OUT! |
Bond
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... My mates dad told my best mates girlfriend. She then texted this to my brothers best mates sister, who mentioned it to her auntie, in turn she told it to Joe Kinnear. My other mate is good mates with Joe down the pub, any way it turns out Moyes is going to Villa YES! MOYES! MOYES MOYES! |
bobvillian
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... Stories going round that big elk walked because of the signing of marlon king. Peter panna brought the player in?Very interesting |
Nike
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... Lmao Bond i think some people might actually believe your story Always a nutter or two out there ready to believe anything they read |
ronski6
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... I think that some Villa fans need to note carefully the following points: Firstly, if Martinez turns down Villa because he is loyal to his club and is essentially waiting for a bigger carrot to be dangled then Messrs Moyes and Coyle will do exactly the same. Secondly, why would Big Ek resign from the Blues to take over at Everton where there is currently a long servinf manager in charge. IF Moyes were to be Villa bound, surely McLeish would wait until the position was free? Thirdly, anybody who believes that Hughes is going to be the manger, and that Martinez-McLeish-gate was a smoke screen must need their heads checking. Lerner and faulkner would not devise such an elaborate cover story that damages the reputation of the club. Fourthly, stop mentioning obscure foreign managers; it's just not going to happen. Finally, I have no idea if Big Ek is going to be the next manager or not. It could very well happen, and quite frankly, that scares me. However, the only fact that stops me from learning how to tie a noose is this: If Lerner were so intent on appointing McLeish, he would have made an official approach to Blues as he did with Martinez. The next 48 houra will be interesting! |
mickey86
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...Stories going round that big elk walked because of the signing of marlon king. Peter panna brought the player in?Very interesting thats what i said a few hours ago. |
DaveAV1
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... I'm sick of hearing that Martinez rejected us by not even wanting an interview. Sorry but that is rubbish. He was put in an impossible position by his chairman. Once it was public knowledge he'd been invited for an interview he had to decide if he could get the job or not. Now if he also knew there were higher profile candidates than himself and he was far from favourite, then why would he by implication say he wants to leave Wigan by the fact he excepts the invite to interview? He looked at the situation and took a calculated decision. On the one hand he'd love the Villa job, on the other hand he probably had less than 50% chance of getting it and by declaring an interest he queers his pitch with the Wigan fans and chairman. So he says no, it all gets spinned like he's a great guy showing loyalty and gets rewarded with a pay rise too. It was a calculated decision by an intelligent guy. It was also out of order by Whelan, who praised us for our excellent conduct and then proceeded to play it dirty. OK that's the way of the world and some of you would say that's how we should behave too. Well rightly or wrongly RL and Aston Villa don't work like that and I for one are comfortable with it. Villa 'til I die |
robm
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... ronski6: If Lerner were so intent on appointing McLeish, he would have made an official approach to Blues Not if he knew he intended to resign, I am sure word is put out from both club and manager. |
Bond
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... If McCleish came we need to be positive and start getting behind him. Early on in the tread I had my own little protest against him as the news was breaking. But if it is going to happen anyway we need to accept. Id give him until Christmas. If we are above 10th good, below 10th then the c**t can get lost and nibble on some carrots. |
beef
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... Well I'm feeling confident it's Moyes, no ITK, no 'Heard it down the pub'; just a gut feeling. I hope it pays off. |
beef
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... BTW Damian. Been on here few times a week since the before the whole O****e farce. Still thew best avfc blog on the web. |
kieran55555
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... surely villa didnt give the job to hughes because of the way he quit fulham. hasnt mcleish just done the exact same to blues?? if thats the case, then surely we will withdraw interest in him |
ronski6
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... Daveav1 "He was put in an impossible position by his chairman. Once it was public knowledge he'd been invited for an interview he had to decide if he could get the job or not." Sorry mate, that's rubbish. Martinez was clearly Villa's preferred choice; Wigan were sent a letter at the start of this month, soon after Houlolier left, requesting permission to speak to Martinez. The club would not have done this so early had they not thought so highly of him. True, Martinez did not speak directly to villa, but a 'third party' did. He potentially could have doubled his wages, but turned it down. We were a victim of loyalty, which is surprising when you consider how cut throat the game is now. However, this is not the issue. How is going to be the next manager is. I can't see Owen or Coyle leaving their respective clubs. The McLeish story does not stack up. Hughes would've been appointed by now as Villa are obviously unafraid of making direct approaches to a club about taking their manager. Add to the list Benitez, Ancelotti and McClaren, I can not think of any alternatives. |
robm
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... I guess Hughes knew of Villa's interest and did not let us know of the 1 month clause in the contract which has undoubtedly upset someone at Villa park. |
Fatkevs
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... Lets hope Randys next manager is on pay per day we cannot afford settle any more contracts |
RonnieBiggsakatheRioVillan
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... I'd love for the powers that be to drop a big managerial surprise in our laps of the good variety then top it off by giving the new manager funds to buy 3 quality players, one can always dream! |
ronski6
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... robm: I half get your point. But i think that the way in which we handled the appointment of Houllier and the approach of Martinez shows that Villa would speak to Big Ek's employers first. Ergo, by not 'tapping up' McLeish, we would be ignorant to his planned resignation. |
villaman
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... Lets stop being gullable. 1. Moyes will not come to Aston Villa football club. Its a dream just like Ancelotti was a dream. His intent at Everton and loves the club too much to walk away to a risky position that is Aston Villa. Lets face it the Aston Villa job is risky especially with us f****e fans. 2. Alex Mcliesh will not be the next Aston Villa manager, Randy isn't stupid and he knows the appointment would signal the end with the relationship with the fans. Yet alone the season ticket and ticket sales would decrease substantially. 3. I firmly believe that the next Aston Villa manager will be Mark Hughes. I know I acted very f****e earlier with my posts, but taking a look at the bigger picture this makes sense. |
Keswickvillan
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... One Word has my feelings on McGliesh becoming Villa Manager...............PETRIFIED.Come on Villa I say again.Get in David Moyes.HE IS THE ONLY MAN TO TAKE US INTO EUROPE AND WIN A CUP |
DaveAV1
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... ronski6. I don't see how it's clear he was our preferred choice, only that he was one of our preferred choices. I would imagine we wrote to more than one club but only Dave Whelan broke cover. And who are Owen and Coyle LOL. I think we could all go mad before this is sorted! Villa 'til I die |
ronski6
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... davyboy: At no point have Villa officially disteanced themselves from Hughes, so it is unlikely that they will do so with McCleish. Villa's professionalism, and tight-lipped attitude to conducting their business, means that the media and us fans have no idea what id going on! |
rocky
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...Lets face it the Aston Villa job is risky especially with us f****e fans.what a load of b****x,you make it out to be a villa thing but in reality all footy fans are the same,it wasn`t so long ago that redknap was on about the spurs fans moaning |
ronski6
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... DaveAV1: Owen and Coyle? D'oh! My bad. Granted, Martinez was not the only manager that Villa approached. However, if you consider that Ancelotti, Benitez, McClaren, Jol and Hughes were all distanced from the job, then you have to admit, Martinez was in the box seat. |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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...davyboy said: Its Sunday night . I would hope to see something tomorrow. |
DaveAV1
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... ronski6: I think he may have been second favourite behind Mr Moyes who I've just had a couple of quid on and I very rarely gamble...... |
Darrenvilla26
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...Comment 367, made on June 12, 2011 at 9.20 pm Timmy mallet with mallets mallet as chief scout |
sjh
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... some nose said this ‘I just don’t understand why he would even be interested in joining them, to be honest. We are looking to strengthen our squad yet Villa are losing their top players. |
sjh
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... maybe he is a rat.All rats desert sinking ships.Weve got all this money going on potential managers,one certain money bet is the noses not coming back up nxt season! |
Adam69
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... Can you post an image from my pictures on this forum, if so how, Ive got an amusing picture from an Everto Blog! |
beef
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... Just took this off my phone, me & a mate of mine. Thought it might turn a few frowns.  |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... @ davyboy i wouldn't worry by all accounts its sounding like the Blues putting Johnson up for sale which has prompted McLeish resigning. Rumours that he didnt want MArlon King either. Theres nothing imo to think he's resigned because he thinks he might have job with us or anything like that. Thats what i think/hope anyhow |
Raz
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... Lmao - yes blues are looking to "strengthen their squad" - firstly by signing a thug who punches women who aren't attracted to him. Such strength. And were losing our best players ... Yes we are ... Possibly... But we get around 20mill for ours. What will blues get? f**k OFF SMALL HEATH THE CITY IS OURS!!!!!!!! Hahhahahaaha UTV!!!!! |
Adam69
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... Just had a nose on an Everton blog and seen a great picture of Moyes in a Villa shirt with Born To Be A Villian! Very amusing, lets hope it's true. If I knew how to post the picture on hear I would but I ain'y got a clue! |
Raz
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... Nigel! I actually got a bit excited then !! Please check the dates before posting!!!!! Lol Damo you need to filter this stufff!!!! UTV!! |
Jonesy2010
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... Nigel you may not be far from the truth there mate. Just seen a post from an Everton fan on twitter than Everton will announce the resignation of David Moyes tomorrow. Now I no it could be and properly is a load of rubbish but interesting coming from an Everton fan we will see. UTV |
scaff 1
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... sky news just said mcleish is on holiday in corsica,didnt somebody say randy flew there the other day |
holtendergissa
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... been an ever present at villa park with a season ticket since 1973, if that bluenose t--t comes here will have to think long and hard about renewing for 39th season, if randy or his cronies read or trail the blogs they will surely know how much money in gate receipts they will loose let alone how they will distance themselves from us the true owners of the club. |
Raz
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... Would be very pleased if randy managed to appoint moyes. Would virtually assure us of being a tough team to beat again and would be a respectable manager to appoint. I can only few reasons why he would leave though and it really all boils down to money. It would appear to be in short stock at everton. He's been there nearly 10 years - maybe time for change of scenery. He would like to try his hand at managing a different club. That's about it. In terms of size of club, they are about level with us; so couldn't see it as bettering himself? Would love it though - I now think we've avoided the worst, only mccleish to avoid and were left with good managers as choices cmon randy take some action or atleast let the fans know what is happening UTV |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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...scaff 1 said: oh s**t |
davyboy
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... is not corsica mafia country then cut his head off [mcs**t] and replace it with moyes please pretty please |
B62 Villa
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... The rumour was Randy flew off to madrid, Which is notvreally a direct route to Corsica, perhaps he will bring back jose mourinhio LOL, cant see Moyes leaving Everton, this whole Mcleish thing is worrying, i dont believe he will be our new gaffer but the nagging feeling wont go away |
davyboy
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... going to bed know please let the last few hours be a nitemare hope to wake up to moyes as manager a dream i know nite nite |
mjasghar
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... Cording to vitalvilla and the itk people it's moyes Kept hush until everton had replacement ie mcleish Chill |
Hadders7
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... I have to say I am a little concerned that it is us, the supporters of our great club that may be the biggest stumbling block at appointing the right manager? I appreciate we are all passionate and want the very best, as that's what Aston Villa is all about, but the level of expectation is overwhelming in my opinion. I just think whoever the manager may be, will be on a 'hiding to nothing' before he has even set foot in VP?? We all have our opinions on who we would like or in the case of McLaren & McLeish, who we certainly wouldn't like...but at the end of the day, lets get behind the players, the board and more importantly, the chairman as they try to appoint Mr.Right. I know what some are saying about the sale of our best players, that is simply down to the player. Ash Young could have been offered £200K per week and he would still have wanted to play for one of the biggest clubs in the world...who wouldn't? It really is a joke to think the board wanted to make a quick buck...garbage! If a player wants to go, he will go...simples! If Downing wants to go, he will go and what will the chairman do? Yes he will offer him and excessive amounts of cash to stay, more a week than many of us will make in years, but they go to win things. This is a viscious circle as you lose your best players, how do you start winning things and retain your best players...you don't unless you are Man City with an open cheque book or one of the previous established top 4 clubs who can still attract the top players through holding the position for so long. As a good player leaves we have to trust the chairman to fund the purchase of another good player. This I believe he will and has with the signing of Bent, just the player we have been craving at VP since Yorke...a goal scorer! Lets get fully behind the club and whever the new manager may be...we are the mighty Villa and let's have a great season...UTV! PLEASE LET IT BE MOYES! |
hathers
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... Moyes has resigned according to a local radio station in Liverpool.It's all over twitter. |
Pearcey
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... http://twitter.com/#!/AVFCMysteryMan .............. Moyes to Villa seems to be happening! good job had tenner at 7/1 |
Bahamavillan
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... Radio Scouse and Radio City on Merseyside are reporting it apparently. We will see in the morning. His appointment would be absolutely fantastic. I think he could very well be our manager for the next 5-10 yrs. I reckon he could really build something at the club, and would give us a buzz not seen since the earlier part of the MON days. It was also really uplifting to see General Krulak's comments today, talked a lot of sense. Sometimes, I think we forget how good a chairman we actually have, especially with the disaster that Birmingham FC are facing. Villa is run properly; we are in good hands. |
pprid
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... you know i heard today that brian clough always thought we was the biggest club in the midlands and that he wanted to manage us |
Bahamavillan
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... And Moyes now 11/10 on skybet! This could be true, as the newspapers that have criticised us have not got wind of it first. It's all come from a local source. We will see... |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... If ppl a refering to a merseyside radio station reporting that Moyes has resigned. That is bulls**t sadly . Was just stupid rumour on twitter that somehow got picked up . Radio station never mentioned it. |
jame5y
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... well we could be all jumping the gun.......you sure moyes isnt off to the clowns down the road? |
pitbull inferno
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... Nothing official at all. Listening to Radio city (Liverpool) now. Some tweets that Liverpool Echo have been requested at EFC training ground for press conference in morning. But that's Twitter for you. |
Faccundo
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... Lerneritis sufferers have finally awakened. MON was right. Liar Lerner General PR Fat Faulkner OUT Damo there is no secret plan mate - do you accept that fact yet?? |
The Droyd
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... The only place where betting isn't suspended on the next Villa manager is Skybet. They have McLeish and Moyes joint 11-10 favourites. |
robm
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... Another day another rumour, just waiting for the start today, 5Live including Graham Taylor seem convinced its McCleish the words dour and unispiring come to mind. |
Headologist
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... The Droyd The BetDaq market is still open, I suspect others are too Big Eck 7/4 DM 5/2 Randy L is lots of things but not a fool It won't be McLeish |
Headologist
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... On Betdaq you can only lay McLeish at 30/1 DM you can lay at 7/2 The market telling its own story |
robm
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... McLeish bought 4 players last week then walked cant be about money for players he must have somewhere to go, lets hope and pray its Everton because if not I fear the worst. |
robm
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... Harry Redknapp just said "you dont sell your best players if you want to be a big club" are you watching and listening Randy? |
Raz
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... Anyone else amazed that mccleish resigned by email? Anybody actually believe that they have emails over there? UTV |
Deano&Dalian
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... If its true Lerner didn't interview McLaren because of the negative sentiment on various Villa blogs, why would he even consider McLeish? Lets remember this 'speculation' is just that - there has been no official word linking McLeish to Villa. Lets just hope Lerner doesn't panic, the search isn't going well, but some-one will turn up. |
RayK
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... Thank god Wally Brolly off to Forest. Would be stunned if McLeish was on his way to Villa. Being positive I think it may mean Moyes could be our next manager as McLeish will be Everton's new manager. The final straw for Moyes may be that Rodwell looks like he may be sold. As I say that's me being positive. Being negative there was a strong rumour that Lerner hadbflown to Corsica last week .... McLeish's holiday destination.....  |
Raz
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... Why is owen coyle going to offer 8million for cameron jerome??? If that's the type of player he is willing to spunk 8million over, I'd rather we steered clear. Still believe mark Hughes will be our manager next season. This talk of moyes is crazy I reckon. I'd like Hughes as manager; very passionate and can get his teams playing some good stuff; no chance of relegation but possible chance of European football with him. We may just have to appoint for the good of our club and steadying the ship; getting some players in and getting behind the club strongly again - although this never really faltered anyway UTV |
robm
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... I think that Everton fans will want a statement from the club about Moyes for the same reasons as we are looking for one from Villa speculation is not good and affects season ticket sales, so maybe we can expect developments today, the longer it goes without something from Everton the more likely to be Moyes is leaving IMO. |
John Salter
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... Waving or drowning? One things certain, Randy Lerner wasn't very astute in appointing Gerrard Houllier for many reasons and he hasn't or doesn't appear to have been quick or very proactive in solving the problem his premature departure has caused. With Villa selling their better players every season (now), from a club with enormous potential and a massive fan base, something is certainly going wrong and Mr Lerner has to put a stop to it or try and sell the club to someone who gives a crap as far as I'm concerned. I accept that he's invested an awful lot of money into Villa but where's the vision and passion? Is he here for an investment, that's failing or does he really care? I don't know and I think that's one of the problems that only he can help solve or answer. Percentage wise we as fans who pay to watch Villa and buy merchandise etc invest more of our own money than Mr Lerner has invested in the club so we're entitled to our opinion. Those who blindly follow along saying things like, 'In Lerner we trust' should get a grip and wake up because we've gone from being Champions League contenders to relegation candidates. If Villa was a boxer we'd be on the ropes possibly about to get knocked out. Last season a lot of fans I know stopped going to games because of the fiasco that developed at Villa Park and now we're manager less and Youngs going/gone and Liverpool are after Downing and he's saying the same things Barry, Milner and Young did. I said on here months ago that the board needs to get a grip quickly and they didn't and still haven't, the question is, why? Lerner now has to appoint an inspiring, ambitious and loyal manager and stop the selling culture or those fans who stopped going last season will be joined by many more. So in answer to the question I'd say at the moment we're sinking and nobody is bailing the water out of the boat. |
Altan
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...I think that Everton fans will want a statement from the club about Moyes for the same reasons as we are looking for one from Villa speculation is not good and affects season ticket sales, so maybe we can expect developments today, the longer it goes without something from Everton the more likely to be Moyes is leaving IMO. I agree , last time we were linked with Moyes he came out with a statement very early doors telling all how flatered he was but that he would be staying with Everton . No news is sometimes good news ! UTV |
davidc
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...If its true Lerner didn't interview McLaren because of the negative sentiment on various Villa blogs, why would he even consider McLeish? Lerner should not run the club by committee. He's the Chairman - he has to be big enough to make the decisions he feels to be correct; and follow them through. Regardless. I can't for the life of me see McCleish landing at VP. But what do I know? I thought the same about Saunders ending up at theirs....but it did. IF and its a big IF we do end up with MCleish, least he'll sort the defence out. |
Raz
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... To be fair, I thought moyes came out about a month ago and said he wasn't interested in the villa job and would be continuing at everton? Surely that would be enough to show where he is / isn't going UTV |
.vogra
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... No way will it be McLeish, it's just a coincidence he's left while we're looking for a manager, as I said yesterday players are going to be sold over his head, he's having players signed for him by the chairman, he's just walked. You know what the media are like 2+2 = 42, they haven't a clue either. |
nicknag
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... Just read this on SSN about the Bluenose "To get an email when I am on business in Amsterdam" ha ha mr Pannu was sent the email whilst having a business meeting with Mrs Whiplash! |
AussieLion
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... If that Moyes thing is true and what the guy on Twitter is saying is true, why would the club wait to 1st of JUly to announce it? I dont think people could stand another 2 weeks with no manager unless the club starts buying people before they announce him. I just hope it is him rather than McLeish, I would even take Hughes or McClaren over him. In other news does anyone know when the new kit will be released? Most of the other clubs have released at least one of theirs. Or are we stuck in the same stupid situation as last year with no sponsor and a super late release date? |
nicknag
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... I think Randy's problem is he's running two teams which require same amount of money and effort. If he didn't own the Browns i think we would see alot more transfer kitty. |
ak_27
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...No way will it be McLeish, it's just a coincidence he's left while we're looking for a manager Well it was a f**king scary one. I honestly paniced big time. Have calmed down now. Can't see it happen for many reasons but mainly Lerner surely isn't that stupid. Please let the Moyes rumours be true just to stop all this madness. We are seriously losing time in the transfer market and we need to get started ASAP. |
marita
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... Media Watch this morning are all saying it's Mckleish. Please RL tell me it's not true, tell me it's just a story. |
ronski6
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... After sleeping on McLeish-Gate, i'm sure he isn't coming to the villa. I could be wrong, and if you ask my missus, she'll tell you I am quite often. Firstly, it looks like Big Ek left because his relationship with the owner and chairman broke down. If Lerner had wanted McLeish, he'd have made an official approach, as he had done with Martinez. Lerner has always handled his business in a professional manner; there is no way that he would have tapped up the ginger bluenose. It does make me wonder, who is the manager going to be? I just can't see Moyes leaving Everton! |
taglor
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... At least the club are being open and honest with us as they realise FANS are the most important part of this and without us they wouldn't have a business to get rich from, oh wait hang on i'm still asleep........................................... |
Joky
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... A great article, at the moment I'm in the pessimistic camp, purley based on the boards behaviour and selling our prized assists, in terms of players. Also Learner is a business man and his main objective is to have a club that brings in a return. If this is the case, we can forget top 6 in the prem as there are other clubs were success is more important than a return, or they turnover far in excess of Villa. All of this means we will probably get an average manager who's happy with a club that's not going to be spending much. Let's face it, Villa should be a club that good managers want to come to, and maybe tempt the odd great manager, but at present we cannot even attract average managers, which is very poor indeed for our club. As ever I hope to be pleased and surprised by the signing, and we get them soon so we can properly perp for the season, yet I don't hold out much hope. |
GGGG
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...there's a large body of fellow fans who urge a bit of karma Eh?? I hope it's not our karma to have McLeish |
churchill
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...With Villa selling their better players every season (now), from a club with enormous potential and a massive fan base, something is certainly going wrong and Mr Lerner has to put a stop to it You guys have really got to come to terms with this - if a player wants out, then nothing, NOTHING, is going to stop him. Massive wages, massive club and CL football is irresistible to most players. |
robm
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... I think Lerner should be decisive, in life we stand or fall by the decisions we make day to day its no different in business sadly, its not our call its his and he should not be afraid to make it, cant really believe he trawls forums to get an idea of fan's feelings no way to run a club, maybe if he took soundings from supporters clubs reps it may be different. |
ak_27
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...Harry Redknapp just said "you dont sell your best players if you want to be a big club" are you watching and listening Randy? We'll just see about tha next summer when Spurs fail to get into the top 4 again and the vultures come in for Modric, VDV and Bale for starters. Harry will get a reality check then. |
HT Sweden
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... Agree on that Churchill, the only cure is that Villa become an annual contender to top 4 in PL. And that will cost blood, sweat, tears and at least a Bentley full of £... |
southwestvilla76
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... No chance of the ringmaster getting the Villa job he was out of his depth managing the clowns,,RL ive backed you to the hilt so far and i do like your style and way of doing things,and i cant wait for you to make the national media look like prats,at the moment they are enjoying laughing and slagging us off,lets see what they gonna say when RL gets his man!!! Trust in RL and we will be great again!! Quick message to the scottish,dozy,ginger,tramp.....If your sat somewhere waiting for your phone to ring trust me it wont be RL so any dreams you have of been Villa manager wake up and forget it we are a proper club not some mickey mouse outfit that your used to.RL get Hughes in now and lets show all the mugs in the press and on SSN that we mean business.. U.T.V |
Hadders7
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... Churchill...wise words as usual my friend! I said as much in comment 399 only for the next 50 posts to be about how the club have no ambition and a flogging our best players, it's ridiculous! Contracts are near worthless as its all about player power. People need to get a reality check! |
NickC
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... I wish everyone could just sit back and wait and see what happens. The press are having a filed day with speculation that's based on nothing but rumours and made up stories with no foundation at all due to the lack of leaks within Villa. I cant for one moment see that the board would employ the manager from our biggest rivals....not for one moment could I see them doing that unless of course......they want season tickets sales to fall through the floor. It's just not going to happen, IMO. I'm sure that they'll find someone in the next few weeks, Ashley Young was going anyway, Stuart Downing has made a comment in an interview about wanting to play in the champions league but this has been translated to him wanting to leave by everyone.......WTF..!!! I think there's alot of supporters who need to just calm down a bit and wait to let things happen. It's almost as bad as one of MON's transfer windows......where we're all speculating about who he's going to go for for months. SCS has gone now, so you can all breathe a sigh of relief on that one. I think the board are going to do their level best to get someone that almost everyone will be happy with but it's going to take a little longer. I run a business and taking on the right person is not easy. Alot of people have an opinion about who it should be but it does take time to get the right person. I'm a little saddened that GH has gone, in a way, as I think there might have been a few interesting acquisitions under him but that's not going to happen now so onwards and upwards we go and I for one will wait until we know who it is from the official announcement that will come eventually from within. |
robm
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... Clowns have asked for permission to speak to Steve Coterill from Pompey, wont take legal action against Ekk now OMG. |
lew chatterly's lover
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... Louis Walsh has dumped Boyzone apparently and has been approached by Peter Panda for the Noses job, watch where you drop the soap agent Ridgewell. |
churchill
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...churchill: CONTRACTS? Ain't worth the paper they're printed on. Sorry, rob. Check out Hadders: Contracts are near worthless as its all about player power. |
PeteD
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... I'm unsure why we are chasing anyone other than Louis van Gaal. Proven winner, known around the world, plays good football, will have a wealth of contacts and will be willing to develop the youngsters. Absolute no brainer and head and shoulders above everyone else we have been mentioned with. Get him in Randy, the sooner the better. |
Headologist
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... That Villa conduct their business in a private, professional, way is a strength, not a weakness The downside is it creates a media and fan circus, but I for one, prefer it this way and can live with it Very few people have any knowledge of what is really going on, and they are saying nothing Excellent! |
taglor
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... Im gettin more and more angry with quin and saggers on talks**te. Sagers is takin the piss sayin that its wrong villa fans are havin a say about who they want as manager and it should be up to the chairman, WHO the f**k does he think pays for the players, wages, etc?!?!?! without us there would be no club. His attitude is whats wrong today media dahlings thinkin the business men run the clubs. Its so anti villa on talks**t at the moment, hurry up back and defend us stan.......... |
HT Sweden
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... Fact is, this is Randys first real option to lay his hands on Villas football future, when he choose his own (hopefully)long-term manager. So it has to turn out good, hasn´t it? |
paulB
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... With the exception of the Martinez incident everything spoken has been pure fantasy,speculation,dreaming,wishing and nothing based on fact. Fact.. if we were after Moyes surely something would have broken by now. Fact.. Mcleish isnt wanted by fans,has a poor track record Fact.. Hughes is the only one both available, has a decent track record plays good football, played and managed at the highest level. Hes the man and the best that is obtainable. Every day that goes by without an "out of the blue" revelation only endorses the fact that Hughes is our man and has been since Houllier left. I for one think he would do very well at VP. |
HT Sweden
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... Ýou can find hundreds and thousands of managers dying for the Villa job, and some of these guys arent actually bad ones either, the thing is, and this is why this search take time, Villa has a very narrow focus, as it seems. That troubles me a bit. |
VillaJigz
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... Paul B Every day that goes by without an "out of the blue" revelation only endorses the fact that Hughes is our man and has been since Houllier left. If he was our number one from day one, why did we go after Martinez?? |
patrick38
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... have to laugh at skysports news talking to villa fans and saying it looks like Mcleish going to happen, they dont know nothing |
Greg1981
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...Churchill: How about appointing a manager who buys the right players with 140 million and employs the right tactics? I'm sure this would improve the team and the players would want to stay, and, moreover, attract others. |
darrenvilla26
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...... to create a smokescreen to avoid us paying mr al fayed any compo for tapping up hughes...which clearly did happen! it looks as if Villa were unaware of this whole "cant speak to noone for a month" clause, so instead there was a bit of clever business done where Whelan sung the praises of our club being professional and at the same time, he boosted the profile of his manager and club who rejected a big club to stick with his beloved Wigan. Those are my thoughts anyway... |
bobvillian
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... Can anyone in charge of villa"s affairs please let there fans know if big elk is in there plans.This silence the longer it goes on means to me that he is coming[i f**king hope not] |
paulB
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... VillajigZ There is obviously some contractural reasons why Villa have to be seen to be considering other options. I still find it highly suspicious that Martinez "turned us down", and Whelens total confidence that he would. Also strange that it was Wigan who made this all public. I honestly do not think he was ever realistically going to be our next manager, and the whole episode was used as a smokescreen. Now this may all be me with my conspiracy theory but would you turn down Aston Villa to embark on another season of struggle at Wigan, knowing that the chance will probably never arise again. Sorry all very fishy to me !!!! |
Christian1983
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... I know every 'in the know' has to be talen with a giant, bucketful of salt, but the AVFCMysteryMan on Twitter is still absolutely adamant that David Moyes is to be our new boss and has been unmoved on this position throughout the entire process- even when Mark Hughes quit, Carlo was 'approached', Second Choice Steve was lurking etc etc. Here's the link if anybody's interested: http://twitter.com/#!/AVFCMysteryMan |
Christian1983
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... Also, AVFCMysteryMan allegedly announced the Bent deal 2 hours before SkySportsNews got wind of it... |
oldfart
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... Can we do a list of the young players who are going to be inherited by the new manager WHO WILL MAKE IT IN THE PREMIERSHIP> I'll start it off-----Ciaran Clarke---Next? Can we make 6?---Remember Delphanasou scored only one for Burnley last year and they don't want him back |
robm
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... The way I am reading it is this (sorry for rambling) I am assuming we have a list of names all of the same ilk so Martinez was first choice he didn't want it, McClaren was not wanted by the fans and he has now got another job so that rules him out, then theres McLiesh. As far as Moyes and Hughes go they are IMO a notch above the other three and I would be surprised if they were being considered at this point. I hope I am wrong but fear I am not! |
VillaJigz
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... darrenvilla26 and paulB both very good points and could will of happened/be happening, but why do that if you are only going to go for Hughes anyway. He had a 12 month contract at Fulham, which he never wanted to renew and in his contract he could spoke to other club on the 1st July anyway. Why didn't Villa just sit tight until then?? But hey you both could be right!! |
Doc Bowles
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... I agree with all those commenters who suggest that nobody actually knows a damned thing and the media are going daft putting two and two together. At the same time, I suggest we can hazard a guess at the criteria Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner are using to evaluate potential managers: i) Will we have to pay compensation to get them? ii) Will we have to pay to relocate them to the Midlands? iii) Do they have a track record of operating on a tight budget? iv) Do they (seriously) expect to be able to spend the £20m from the Ashley Young transfer? v) How well do they know and get on with Stewart Downing's agent? vi) Can they bring any players with them for £4m or under who are happy to earn no more than £20k per week? |
Christian1983
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... Oldfart, I still have serious reservations about Ciaran Clark. His lack of pace is frightening and, for centrebacks lacking pace, an ability to read the game is invaluable. I'm not sure he has that brain. Maybe it will come in time, but his 8 bookings in 16 Premiership appearances tells me he's struggling with the pace and intensity of the top level. I don't think Delfouneso will make the grade either. I've seen a lot of him too and he's just a very mediocre striker, suited to the championship (although some Burnley fans don't even think he's good enough for that level). I've got high hopes for Barry Bannan- a real class act. A rare British 'footballer', we just need to accommodate him. A risky business, but I think he could be good enough that we can afford to build around him. Marc Albrighton looks pretty established already now, high hopes for him too. But those who think he may go on to be better than Young and being very optimistic (how many of our players go on to play for United?). Basically, it's far too early to say. Gary Gardner, by all accounts, is going to be something very special. I've not seen too much of him, but what I have seen is excellent. Then again, he's the name on everyone's lips and that brings a lot of pressure- like somebody said on here the other day 'we've heard so much about him I'll be expecting him to run out in a Superman outfit'. Nathan Baker? I'm not sure. New 3 year deal is promising though. Chris Herd? As above. Jon Hogg? I've a feeling he'll be sold shortly, shame because his injury hampered him and he may have missed the boat because of it. Erik Lichaj? Looked v impressive for Leeds, I'd like to think he might feature a bit more- but he's got big boots to fill if he's being compared to Kyle Walker (he was excellent again last night v Spain U21's). |
churchill
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... There's a poster that has been banned from here but posts elsewhere. His name has four letters and the first is 'F'. I posted the following to stop him committing suicide. It may help others. In matters like this where we have a few clues as to what’s going on but absolutely no definitive idea about the true nature of the outcome, there is a device that will help –“ Occam’s razor”. It’s not something that Frem can use to menace his throat, merely a filter that will assist in the calculation. The Latin “lex parsimoniae, gives us the clue – the law of parsimony. If he appoints McLeish now, I'll be hiding for at least a month. |
Doc Bowles
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... oldfart The manager speculation is starting to do my head in now, so I'll respond to your email by opening a can of worms. I don't think any of our "golden generation" of academy graduates are as good as they have been cracked up to be, and I don't see any of them (with the possible exception of Gary Gardner) becoming top notch in the EPL. We talk about them as if they are in their teens - these lads are seasoned players in their early 20s now. Albrighton is a good player - though interesting that he didn't feature for the U21s. Delfouneso is overrated and is too easily eclipsed by streetwise EPL defenders. Bannan, Clark and Baker look average to me. None of them have looked fantastic when out on loan. The only "young" player who looks the real deal is Kyle Walker and, er, he's Redknapps. |
HT Sweden
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... This "management by silence" that is Randys style, is that a common and higly reckon one among top dogs? I dont want a Berlusconi tart, but i´d sure like if he once in a while speaks out. |
Christian1983
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... DocBowles, I'd agree with mostly all you've just said. You're right, none of these lads are 16-17. There's no Fabregas, Wilshere, Rooney amongst them. They remind me a bit of Darron Gibson at United- a 'youngster' they've talked about for ages, who is suddenly 23-24 and isn't really much good!! But I do still think Bannan has something special, perhaps because he's a lot different to what we're used to seeing in British players. I know he didn't feature at Leeds, but I could never see the sense in sending a 4'7" pixie into the blood and thunder of that division. He's far more suited to the 'more protected' environment of the Prem. |
Gregory The Aston Villa Villain
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... i think mccleish would be a good appointment, let aside all the rivalary, i think it was brums horrific injury list that took them down more so than the manager |
Villa by Birth
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... Gregory The Aston Villa Villain ... wash your mouth out |
davidg
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... If Randy Lerner thinks for one second that Villa fans would stomach the appointment of McLeish, he would be mad, and Randy is NOT mad! He would have to leave on the next stage out of town in my opinion, and never even think of coming back. I'd be utterly amazed and gob-smacked if an ex-City manager who's twice presided over relegation in the last five years gets the Villa job! |
The Droyd
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... I agree that our youngsters aren't as good as the hype. To read some bloggers opinions, you would think that we had 4 of the next Messis in reserve. We haven't. Albrighton is good and will play more next season. The experience will really benefit him. Bannan, I can't make my mind up. He has got some fine qualities but his size is an issue. You would also expect a "flair" player like him to be more of a goal threat. He has done nothing in terms of threatening the goal, apart from in Vienna. Delfouneso is another one, I can't decide on. Like Bannan, has a lot of ability but like Bannan, has a tendency to go missing. Hopefully this is because they are young and will get more consistent with age. I think Delfouneso has skill and is a natural finisher. I question his strength, mentally and physically. I think Clark will be good. He does lack pace but that has never hindered John Terry's career. Long term, if we have someone pacey next to him, there's no reason why he can't do well. I don't think Baker will ever be good enough but I haven't seen as much of him as the other mentioned. |
Gregory The Aston Villa Villain
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... in fairness when he took over the first time they were as good as down, what difference does it make if he managed brum, who gives a rats ass, he actually signed up some good players for their standard, and if it wasnt for a litany of injuries they wud never have gone down |
Heroes & Villans
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... Im waiting with baited breath for a denial that we are after Mcleish, just like we did with rafa & schteve. The Moyes rumour is just about keeping me positive. |
Robbie
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... This media blackout is making us suicidal because any bit of non-news is taken as good as fact. We've had about 5 'dead-certs' already, including that hour that we all thought it was definitely Rafa. Now this McLeish stuff because apparently Randy is an admirer and because some journalist got wind of his resignation. It's painfully drawn out, but we're best ignoring it. The youngster situation, I think Clark is destined to be a very good CB, possibly as good as Cahill, though I think he's shot himself in the foot playing for Ireland. No disrespect to them, but he could have learned a lot from training with the English team, as I honestly think he would make it in time. Bannan is, unfortunately too small. I know there's a lot of stuff about how he's proving you can be small to make it in the Prem, but I think if he had his technical ability and an eye for a pass at say 5'10", we'd be talking about someone quite special. Albrighton, I like, but he's got a LONG way to go to realise when to release the ball and when to continue dribbling. He loses it a lot. But when he does make the right choice, he does have the ability to pick out a good ball. Baker, contrary to what some people on here think of him, I think he's got all the attributes to be a really decent left back. I know he's not young, but it'll be another 3 seasons before a full back is ready to be judged. The Fonz too has got a lot of skill and pace, but I don't think he's got it. At the sharp end of the pitch, you have really got to be special, and unfortunately, I think the Championship awaits. |
Lord Lichfield
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... Did it occur to anyone that McLeish is actually the ultimate Villa fan, hence his outstanding achievement of piloting blues into oblivion not once, but twice. Excellent work agent McLeish! Now, time for your cyanide capsule old boy.. |
Walls10
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... mcleish a good appointment your r joking that Pike t**t has relegated his team twice in three Years I've only seen us go Down once in 35 years |
dazvilla
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... moyes to villa is the talk of the town on almost every website at the moment with mcleish/hughes to everton with an announcment due 2pm today most people saying on efc sites we will have to wait and see.but ex nose boss at villa (will never ever happen).utv |
Headologist
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... Gregory Villa had at least a bad an injury list as Big Eck And were a long way from going down |
mjasghar
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... Who are the fnuts phoning talks**t They are laughing at you idiots while taking your cash The idiot who phoned just now took ad fact a b piece of crap speculation from their lardarse reporter It's alll designed to take your cash and your lining up to bend over for these cockneys and scouser journos |
The Droyd
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... Robbie - You can't be serious about Baker at left back? He seems far to big and cumbersome to be in that position. Quality full backs need a good balance of defend and attack. I fail to see what options going forwards he can give. I think it was the Wolves game when he was subbed after just 30 mins for being monumentally s**t. He may make it as a centre back, although I doubt that. As a left back, no way. |
Heroes & Villans
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... I think our youngsters just need a bit more of a chance and developed properly (not just being chucked in because of injuries). This season we have to be starting Marc, Delph & Bannan. |
robm
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... McLeish excelled at Hibs did an Ok job at Rangers, was Scotland's best manager for a while and has done ok winning a trophy on a comparitive shoe string at the clowns. Absolutely not my choice for many reasons I suppose a shallow one would be where he is coming from, but like McLaren his record aint all bad. |
Gregory The Aston Villa Villain
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... what are you talking about robbie, ireland would hammer you off the park, england are like our youngsters over hyped and over rated. we hammer ye in rugby, win the cup of nations hands down, and ye devalued the competion by not playin. Ye are lucky to draw with switzerland at home, that is ye'r level, for all the player ye have ye have no heart or bottle. but no disrespect to ye. |
vivavilla
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... I don't think Bannan will end up anything near a top player, and it has nothing to do with his height. Put simply, I just don't think he has the ability. Albrighton is streets ahead of anybody else at the moment. He racks a disciprine, but he's got a lot of things going for him - ie he's far better now at taking the ball past defenders than Ashley Young ever has been. Great at crossing on the run as well. |
Bloggert
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... Albrighton - Definate Clarke - Definate those two are Class players in my opinion The rest havent really had a proper run at villa and I cant see them getting it either. Bannans showed alot of potential though. |
ronski6
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... I've been trying to tell you all... http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/8280/3/exclusive-moyes-will-not-quit-everton-villa |
The Droyd
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... David Moyes is weakening in the markets. Back to 3rd favourite now. I'm doing it again. |
villan 4 life
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... ... Gregory The Aston Villa Villain ... i think mccleish would be a good appointment With bleach. |
Christian1983
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...David Moyes is weakening in the markets. Back to 3rd favourite now. I'm doing it again. I've sick to death of that oddschecker site too!! I think Moyes' fluctuation is due to the TalkSh*te 'report' that Moyes is going nowhere. His price will fall again when the punters realise the article is a load of old b*llocks. I'm very hopeful that it is Moyes. It all makes sense, as Churchill alluded to, and if there was no truth in it whatsoever surely Everton, Moyes or Villa would have come out and stamped on the rumours. Perhaps not so much Villa, but a statement from Moyes saying 'I'm going nowhere, end of story' or Everton saying 'Moyes will be honouring his contract, end of discussion' would settle the Toffees. But the silence? Something tells me it's golden |
Gregory The Aston Villa Villain
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... lets say if mcleish had managed shef utd, got them a cup and best league position and they went down, then would we be ahppy so see hi, come in? in fairness he did a great job at scotland achieved some unbelieable results there, and dominated with rangers, got b'ham best ever league position and first cup in 136 years, he is able to win things and with a better club like villa , im sure he is strong enough to move us forward |
ak_27
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...The youngster situation, I think Clark is destined to be a very good CB, possibly as good as Cahill, though I think he's shot himself in the foot playing for Ireland. No disrespect to them, but he could have learned a lot from training with the English team, as I honestly think he would make it in time. What would he learn being invloved in an English squad for a few days here and there? The only think he would learn there is how become disloyal to this club and perhaps learn which bigger club are interested in him. |
Bahamavillan
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... Don't listen to talksport, a load of rubbish in my opinion. That AVFCMysteryMan ran the news of Darren Bent going to the villa two hours before skysports got wind of it. Makes him a bit more credible. If we hear nothing official from Everton FC that Moyes is staying today, it makes it more and more likely. Fingers crossed. Tick Tock, Tick Tock. |
darrenvilla26
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... smart money would be and should be on hughes...simple as...chill your beans folk...chill your goddam beans |
Christian1983
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... Away from the management quandary, what away trips are we all looking forward to next year???? Can't say Swansea fills me with much joy. And I'm not paying £70 or whatever ludicrous price QPR want. Norwich is a definite!!!! Fulham's always fun. Anybody been to St James'? Got an eye on that one this year. |
robm
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... Assuming we get the manager we all approve of are we going to collectively blame ourselves if he fails? |
Christian1983
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...Assuming we get the manager we all approve of are we going to collectively blame ourselves if he fails? No because we don't control his budget, his relationship with the board, his working conditions, the pressure directly applied to him by the board, his incentives, targets and can't step in if cracks begin to appear! |
lew chatterly's lover
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... My mate works at McDonalds at Bassetts Pole and said that he just served Billy Davis who asked him the way to Bodymoor Heath, probably nothing in it and is just hiring a canal boat for a couple of weeks holiday. |
Raz
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... I'm looking forward to the away games next season. Will go QPR and take the piss out the fake cockneys. Swansea will be a good pissup - England flags everywhere I imagine!! Good times UTV!!!! |
Nike
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... Still no word from MI5 aka Aston Villa I bet there will be quick word when the shirts go on sale Mind you thats typical of something owned by a Yank |
1234
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... Anyone who looks at aircraft movements will see N85Cl at LJLA today at 17:15 and leaving at 23:00. ! |
Gregory The Aston Villa Villain
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... PUT YOUR DIFFERNCES ASIDE, I BET IF MCCLEISH IS APPOINTED HE WILL DO A GREAT JOB AND WE WILL FINISH AT LEAST 6TH IF IM WRONG YE CAN ALL SLAG THE f**k OUT OF ME |
bobvillian
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... SAD DAY A COMING WE GET GINGER b******s NO MORE SEASON TICKETS FOR ME IF THIS HAPPENS |
Davo13
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... Just to quickly canvas opinion, after seeing a number of statements on here and sensing an impatience for the next manager to be appointed- If the number 1 target is not available until 1st June (e.g. Mark Hughes, David Moyes, Jose Mourinho, Pepe Guardiola etc.), and the target is the board's unanimous #1 choice and will be backed to take the club forward. Would you as fans be willing to wait until 1st June, or alternatively (due to impatience) prefer someone of a lesser claibre in now? Personally, I'd rather wait to get the right man, than get someone in to appease the impatience of certain fans. We would still have 2 months to bring players in, and they wouldn't be last minute purchases. |
bobvillian
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... is there anybody working down villa park the silence is doing my head in; somebody please talk to us fans |
robm
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... Davo13: season begins mid August because of the Euro's and its mid June now fingers have to be got out I am afraid. |
bobvillian
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... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTO GINGER DICK HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
Christian1983
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...Anyone who looks at aircraft movements will see N85Cl at LJLA today at 17:15 and leaving at 23:00. ! That's 100% b*llox. |
Davo13
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... Sorry meant 1st July. I'm not saying its right to wait that long, I'm asking which would people prefer? |
ak_27
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... My reasoning for not wanting McCleish has nothing what so ever to do with the fact he was the Blues manager. Its is 100% to do with his 'style' of football and the types of players he bought. Sorry but if Lerner goes for McCleish then the last year under GH and the way he had started us playing football is for nothing and our future IMO would be very bleak and i can see crowds droping off big time. |
Deke Dastardly
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... 1234 - I know where to find these things and that looks like an old reference to when we played Liverpool on a Monday night, not today, same arrival and departure times. So I think you've got that wrong. Happy to see a source confirming today but that looks like a dead lead. |
robm
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... The harsh reality is every manager is a gamble there is nothing to say David Moyes would be a guarenteed success I think we should identify the manager we want check his availability and get him in without delay, identify transfer targets, shift out those that are going and start planning for next season, it could be more difficult than the one just gone but it need not be with decisive action now! |
Oswald
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... its going to be hughes i think. everything is a decoy to distract from the bad press he got leaving fulham. and whoever we get in now will at least have the "at least its not mcleish" factor. making the new manager look better than what he is. |
Oswald
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... randy lerner is a businessman. he can play people just as well as he can play the derivative markets. |
robm
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... Oswald: agree McLeish resigning was good timing if Villa want him and not bad if they dont because as you say it shifts the speculation from possibly the main man Mark Hughes. |
RonnieBiggsakatheRioVillan
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... Looks like Lassana Diarra is available at Real Madrid and he wants to return to England. He's an absolute beast of a midfielder and would look awfully good alongside of NZogbia and Makoun the XVI. Let's bring some strong midfielders in now to go along with Benty up front and Stew as the go between. Still hoping for a surprise package since the names mentioned really don't excite me... I see Blues are interested in Zola and we should snap him up first! |
Elmo Grub
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... Apparently Moyes is back from the carribean soon so I reckon we'll know for sure in the near future. I'm sure the board will do all they can but if he says no then there's not much they can do. If it is McLeish, and I doubt it will be, then I'll give him a chance just as I did with the last appointment I thought was the wrong one. In a purely footballing sense an AM appointment now would make as much if not more sense than the GH appointment was then. For those that like the long shot a squirrel did tell me in a dream I had last night that it might be Kurban Berdyev. |
ak_27
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...randy lerner is a businessman. he can play people just as well as he can play the derivative markets Well if waits until the start of July which I think he has to, to get Hughes then he is showing for the first time to me he hasn't a clue how to run a football club. We cannot afford to wait that long to appoint our next man. It needs to be done ASAP. The transfer window is open, deals are being done and we don't have a man in charge to sort out what we badly need. What type of signals are we sending out to any prospective players out there at the moment? I’m sorry but we are right now beginning to look like a very amateur shambolic club. I have had nothing but the up most respect for Lerner up to now but this is really starting to get me wondering about the guy. Any guy with half a brain knew GH wasn't coming back when he had his last scare so we have had since then to get our next guy sorted. It should have been all sounded out long ago. If the reason behind the slowness is because Lerner wants to do every single thing above board (i.e. ask for permission) then he needs a f**king reality check to how this game actually works. Aston Villa get no PL points for having the nicest Chairman or for being the club who acts with the upmost integrity. Sorry but we gain nothing at all from this way of dealing with other clubs as I doubt very much we would be treated the same way back by many of the others. |
robm
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... RonnieBiggsakatheRioVillan: cant see any player signing for us whilst we have no manager. |
V.T.I.D
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... A reliable source has just told me Rijkaard is at Villa now having talks with the board |
robm
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... ak_27: I have said before we are not rutheless enough as a club too much "after you Claude" just get on with FFS. |
davidc
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...Sorry but if Lerner goes for McCleish then the last year under GH and the way he had started us playing football is for nothing and our future IMO would be very bleak and i can see crowds droping off big time. Crowds dropped off last season big time anyway. Style of football has very little to do with numbers coming in through the gates. Its success that does that. We had poor crowds under BFR. We had (relatively) poor crowds under GH. We had excellent crowds under MoN. But yeah, I wouldn't want McCleish. |
robm
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... More psychology from RL get all of those names out there and hope the man you want applies for the job. |
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... randy lerner inherited his money, and i'd be suprised if he lets you know how he conducts his finances oswald and i really hope that guy isnt irish, he's just embarrassing!! |
RayK
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... The longer this goes on the more likely it is that just two candidates are in the frame - Moyes and Hughes. Any other option doesn't make sense. I'd be over the moon with either, but would rather give Mark Hughes an additional £7m (if all reports are to be believed) than just appoint Moyes. |
ElliotG
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... Whole process is looking like a complete joke. The persistant silence from the club is certainly not helping, and i'm not too keen having our club used by wigan athletic for a PR stunt either. Humiliating...... The whole situation looks terrible, the board appears incompetent and cumbersome and i have a feeling the appointment (whoever it is) will be a disapointment..... |
Villa by Birth
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... My ten pennies!! Club see that the manager can not carry on! Club look at avavaible options Club draw up list of three Club contact clubs One club goes public .....the story so far DM,MH & |
Doc Bowles
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... V.T.I.D Frankly, mate, you're just wasting everyone's time. It would be halfway ok if you were writing something funny (like linking McLeish with Villa), but just making up a rumour for the sake of it is pretty lame. What's the point? |
Elmo Grub
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... I, optimistically, agree RayK. I too would be happy with either. I would prefer Moyes though and be willing to spend the 7mil. I'm not sure if it will alter the transfer package being offered to them. I can't see RL offering Moyes, who is probably his number one target, a smaller warchest than he offers Hughes. He'll write off the 7mil I reckon if he gets his man. |
robm
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... Can understand why Hughes would be linked given his current position but where do we get the idea that Moyes is likely to come from? I just cant see him leaving Everton for us similar problems; best players look like going and no money to spend, there is no basis other than pure speculation for this, his next move will be a top 4 team or Celtic IMO. |
V.T.I.D
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... Doc Bowles, its a bit of light-hearted fun. PPl on here are getting way too serious over this manager thing including you. Lets be honest with ourselves, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference who our next manager is, we will never get to where we wanna be which is the top 4 and Champions League football. Dont call me negative, im realistic. Every time we make progress, we get knocked back down through selling our star players. How on earth are we ever going to break into the top 4 if we cant keep hold of these players? If u really really honestly ask yourself this question, you will know deep down, no manager will be able to take us there. At the end of the day, money talks and we dont have that kind of money. |
woodyAVFC
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... I just wish they would hurry up, just do what you have too and appoint the manager you want!! then start too replace our squad that we are losing! to be honest i would like to see moyes in because he seems to land everton 6th or 7th ever season without fail and could bring in Arteta. but would also be happy with Hughes, he seems to do things in the transfer market and is quite ambitious, went for robinho at city  |
Villa by Birth
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... Hi Doc How about a nice new post on the issues that surround our club to today:- 1) The fragility of some of our fans 2) The Inability of the London & Manchester press to produce decent journalism about Midlands clubs 3) How poor journalism has led to the emergence of SSN and Talk sports rumour control based reporting Oh and finally how twitter & forums have replaced these institutions with a real fans focus |
V.T.I.D
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... " Mark Hughes is ambitious, went for robinho at City".................... With all respect woodyavfc, Iain Dowie would be ambitious if he had a bottomless pot of money to spend! |
The Droyd
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...Lets be honest with ourselves, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference who our next manager is, we will never get to where we wanna be which is the top 4 and Champions League football. Dont call me negative, im realistic. Every time we make progress, we get knocked back down through selling our star players. How on earth are we ever going to break into the top 4 if we cant keep hold of these players? If u really really honestly ask yourself this question, you will know deep down, no manager will be able to take us there. At the end of the day, money talks and we dont have that kind of money. Your s**t joke aside, that is the accurate summation of where we stand. Having to sell our best player every summer screws us. I think many of our fans realise that we can't really challenge and that's why attendances have been down. The general economy hasn't helped either. I don't believe our style of football ever relates to our attandances. |
robm
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... Looks like Charlie Adam is going to Liverpool or at least is talking to them, all sorts of deals being done now as players come back off holidays, still lets wait till 1st July eh and see if Hughes wants to come and if he does what rubbish is available for us to sign. The club chairman and all needs to get a grip and get it sorted. What happens if we hang on for Hughes till 1st July and he tells us he is not interested? After all he is at least 2nd choice as we have already tried to speak to Martinez and possibly 3rd or 4th if the Rafa and McLaren stories are true. |
Nike
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... I new there would be some change there minds about Mcleish on here Listen last week his was s**t if he signs for villa 2moro nothing changes he is still s**t You don't have to be a expert in football to understand his negative defensive anti football ways are not what we want So Lerner if you want 1000s of empty seats next season carry on cause i won't spend 1 single penny with that ginger knob in charge Look at how many have already joined that facebook group in just 24hrs |
Robbie
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... Sorry, I made the mistake of working for the last few hours to take me away from the thought of McLeish. With regards to my assessment of Baker, I may have to back down and conclude that I must have been looking through 'our-youngsters-are-great tainted specs', because I honestly thought he looked okay the game before he got brought off after 30mins. He looked like he was tracking his man well and not being pushed around. I forgot to mention Lichaj, who I thought also looked pretty solid. They're always going to have their moments, you only have to see Rafael and Fabio, two of the most highly rated young full backs in the world, and they are so often found wanting defensively. The stuff about Clark and Ireland I'm less willing to retract. It's not because I think Ireland are s**t, it's just that I think he'll find it easier to get in to that team. If he's got to strive and work his nuts off to get in to the England team, then it'd be a target that will improve him as a player, and that is crucial. I don't having a few training sessions with the England players would have a huge impact, but it would show him the level he's working towards. That's my thought anyway, I can understand criticisms. I notice no one contested that Delfouneso was destined for the Championship. |
robm
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... Villa by Birth; 3) How poor journalism has led to the emergence of SSN and Talk sports rumour control based reporting Talksport and SSN little more than tabloid radio and TV who get their stories from The Sun, Star and Mirror. |
ronski6
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... SSN claims Villa want to be kept in the frame regarding Charlie Adam, despite the fact that we've got no manager. Laughable! |
.vogra
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... I dont think its the style of football that attracts fans, it always has and been and will be WINNING.. |
vijayd
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... Why no new news today on the managerial front? Can anyone tell me how long it take from East Midlands Airport to Birmingham? |
mintvilla
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... vijayd 30 mins depending on traffic (also its not called east midlands anymore, called nottingham airport - though its not in nottingham, its in leicestershire, but has a derby postcode lol) |
lee villan
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... come on already can we Pleassssssse get the manager situation sorted . the new season has not even started and already we are falling way behind |
davidc
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...Hi Doc Good post that. I think its scandalous to be honest the lack of decent investigative journalism in the midlands. The days of Leon Hickman and his ilk in the Evening Mail seem a dim & distant memory. There's just NO local journalism left. Its all newswire stories cribbed off Reuters/Newswires. A truly decent journo would clean up with new readers if he was any good here. There's so many teams, in such close proximity, with no 'outside' journalistic interest to throw money and pinch sources, it couldn't lose. Still, guess people would rather over-react on rumours on blogs/twitter than pay for some considered, crafted, well-sourced writing. |
mintvilla
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... .vogra Agree 100% Winning is everything, Man city are practically cheating their way up the football ladders by throwing enough money at players, do you think their fans mind? If stoke would of won the final, with a long throw into the box, do you think their fans would of cared? Dont get me wrong i dont want us to play like stoke, but i dont mind mixing our play, somtimnes its good to pass it around, other times its good to play counter attacking football, i want us to be able to play both. Arsenal can only play the passing game, their own fans moan that they dont have a plan B, hence why they havnt won anything in 6 years. |
robm
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... As they say "its a results game" managers keep or lose their jobs based on results not performances I want Villa to win first and foremost once we start winning then pay a little more attention to how we win, but if a new manager comes in and gets us winning I dont give a monkey's who he is. |
Nike
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... In Randy Lerner il probably never trust again Just for the sake of being an admirer of Mcleish If he brings him in then clearly he has turned on the fans as most of us don't want him Theres just a few pretenders thinking Mcleish is ok but last week they thought he was s**t |
Robbie
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... davidc, I know it's getting a bit off topic, but it's commercial pressure that causes poor journalism more than anything else. I did a degree in journalism, and it's no good to say it's journalists' fault, it's just the way the industry is in this age that makes investigative journalism uneconomical for many publications. I could upload an essay to back up my point, but it wouldn't be a villa blog any more. It's online journalism and blogging much like this that makes printed journalism a far less lucrative market, with less journalists producing more and more stories, and that is why so much is written by PR men. Press releases will make the bulk of 2/3rds of stories, which is why when you see the Villa media watch, the first paragraphs are almost identical right the way down the page from different publications. |
robm
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... The clowns wont accept McLeish's resignation without compo from him, cant see that sticking and dont really care less, but if he is not coming to us surely now this has come out it would be perfect timing for Randy to say so. Afterall he wouldn't want Peter Pan doing a Dave Whelan and jumping the gun surely? |
Villa by Birth
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... Robbie...DavidC Thanks for the reponses My point was based around the constant speculation rather the level of real work that some media outlets used to put in. We seem to be suffering from a form a vilification by outlets like TS and SSN - I find the comments from people like Adrian Durham repulsive and wonder why people listen to the bile spewing from his mouth. However it is difficult to get away from it when it reappears in various guises. (Robbie's Point). Although I do sometimes wonder why we are so hated! |
nicknag
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... Well i thought we might have had some news today but looks as if another 24 hours has gone by with no news or anything! |
ak_27
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...Agree 100% Winning is everything, Man city are practically cheating their way up the football ladders by throwing enough money at players, do you think their fans mind? Depends on what our long term aspirations are for this club. Its this kind of beliefs which IMO will always keep this club down where we are now. This short sighted approach will only ever bring us 7/6th position as this type of football has its limitations. Yes we might win a lucky FA cup if we get a lucky draw but that would be it really. And i (maybe stupidly) believe we are a better club then that. Just look at the top 6 clubs right now, they all play passing possession football. Not all to the same degree but they all control the ball and possesion far more then we ever did under MON and would under the likes of McCleish. GH put us on the right path, Lerner just needs to have the balls to keep us on it. |
mintvilla
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... Nike Thats abit harsh, the one thing that is certain about all of this, is that the media know Nothing about whats happening at villa, how many breaking news have their been on who they think our next manager is? At the end of the day, nothing about a new manager has come from our club except a statement about Martinez, which only said we asked to speak to him, Whelan said Yes, Martinez said No thanks. He only turned down the chance to speak to us, to interview for the job, he didnt turn down the job as he wasnt offered it. Now none of this is big news, so the media have been hyping and making stuff up all the time, SKY keep sending reporters to the trainning ground, but there getting nothing from the club, even the Ashley young thing they got nothing from, all of that leaked from manchester. So all i say is lets give Lerner the beneift of the doubt until he hires a manager, once he's hired a manager then we can either back him/ slag him off, but until then lets just see how it goes. Yes i know it would be nice to of had it done by now, when you see a team like Forest sack a manager, then hire a new manager the next day. But the trouble is theres no real obvious choice to be our next manager, theres no ex villa legend whos a great young manager who wants to come that we could all get behind. Then most of the managers who are out of work, are out of work for a reason, Ones with a club either dont see the point in moving to a similar size club (eg moyes) are from a low club which then fans kick off because hes only come from a low club, or hes foreign with no experience and that can make it a gamble, and villa cant really afford to gamble on a manager, after the terrible last season we need stability more than gambling (look at big phil scolari if you want to see about gambling on a foreign manager, and he won a world cup!) Because theres no obvious choice, this is why its taking the time, as Lerner knows he needs to get it right. |
.vogra
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...Betting has been suspended on Downing to Liverpool Well they can have him....for 25 million pounds, not a penny less, he has 2 years left on his contract, the Euro's 2012 are next summer, if he thinks HE'S in the driving seat,he's saddly mistaken. We are calling the shots in this deal. |
cse621
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... Well they can have him....for 25 million pounds Yeah and then will have sold our best 2 player have no supply for our striker plus the fact we no manager in charge |
robm
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... In all honesty I dont think we did anything for our popularity with other clubs when we started to publically give GH stick I think it was seen by some as putting him under extra strain hence where he ended up, I think that view was re-inforced by the way we came out so forcefully against McLaren as we are doing now against McLeish it must be off putting for a potential manager probably thinking "one bad result and I'm public enemy no:1". |
davidc
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... Robbie - sorry, yes absolutely. As you can see I'm not in the industry, so I tend to lump journalists and newspaper owners in the same bucket. I do understand its commercial pressures tho. Why would they pay a local journo £50K a year, when they can get syndicated news for a fraction of that price? Bloody bean counters. Does mean tho that we've no-one with any informed inside knowledge about who our next manager will be. And it does mean we've no-one with any clout to criticise/commend that appointment whenever its concluded. Perhaps I'm just getting old? Whatever anyway. Although i think McCleish is a better manager than many give him credit for, I still don't want him at VP.  |
hello bud
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... downing wants to take a long hard look at himself after wanting to jump ship as we were the only club to gamble on him and get his career back on track! he can fcuk off as far as im concerned |
southwestvilla76
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... Plz Randy just come out and say were NOT interested in that dozy t**t from small heath PLZ PLZ PLZ |
jc30
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... I think as long as this thing draws on and as long as we dont hear any developments coming out of Villa Park, then its looking more increasingly likely that it will be Mark Hughes |
Raz
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... IF YOU DONT WANT TO PLAY FOR ASTON VILLA - f**k OFF! That would be my general pr message. And we would be calling the shots with that deal. 25 mill we sign shaqiri for half the price - ta tar!! UTV |
robm
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... I am not a violent man but maybe Downing could leave Villa Park the way he arrived - on crutches - what a short memory some of these thick tw*tish footballers have. |
Adam69
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... Well it's official we have the nicest Chairman in the leauge! Oh FFS grow a pair of balls RL,It's okay being nicey nicey but lets show some ruthlessnes and gutsy desicion making, if you want Moyles go and get him stop Fannying around with all this silent treatment, and crap PR. I can't blame Downing for jumping ship right now,at the moment the club is going backwards, no direction, in fact no nothing! It's fine to wait until July 1st but what happens then if the incumbent manager says no does RL have to get his pen and paper out and start writing nice letters again. This whole situation is driving me nuts!!! |
jc30
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... Downing said he wanted to step up to the next level and play Champions League football. Errm, correct me if im wrong, but Liverpool aint even in the Europa League nevermind the Champions league. Once again, its all about the money. Money, Money, Money, thats all this game is for these players, wanting to win things is just an easy excuse for them to leave. Football is ruined, players getting paid 1/4 of a million a week, f**king ridiculous! |
Rortyboy
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... Be glad if he became manager but can't help thinking Moyes looks very rough seeing as he's only 48 - more like 68 |
Fatkevs
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...Former Aston Villa boss Graham Taylor has admitted he is "surprised and disappointed" at how the club have handled their search for a new manager. How can you argue with that ? Support Aston Villa not a chairman that is dragging this great club down with his poor management all some can see is Randys wallet it tkaes much more than that to run a football club |
Fatkevs
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...Celebrate The Club's Heritage We cannot Celebrate last season or the future that for sure Randy Out |
Fatkevs
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... We have had no sucess under Randy he has a nerve to keep trading on things he has not achieved Before he Rips more money off the fans her needs to wipe the debt & get his act together We were not in this debt before he came & crippled the club |
steviec
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... Oh! how the f****e change. A few years ago it was Doug out....now its Randy out.....who else do they think is going to come in and pour money into the club? The club is a lot more fan friendly than it ever has been before...facilities are better.....and money is being spent on players. |
robm
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... Yesterday's Independant On Sunday piece very worrying if we think RL will pay compensation for Moyes or anyone else for tha matter we are very much mistaken, he reckons he has invested over £180m into the club with it's purchase, buying players, wages etc, he is not inclined to invest any more it seems any transfers will be self financing and by the sound of it the next manager wont be under contract, I am sure what attracted him to Roberto Martinez was that Wigan's demands would have been small fry compared to Moyes. |
Doc Bowles
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... V.D.T.I (or whatever your screen name is) If that's you're idea of a bit of light-hearted fun, I bet a night out with you is a scream, eh? I disagree with you that people on here are taking the managerial appointment too seriously. It does matter, because it isn't a fact that the more money you have to spend, the more likely you are to win. Manager's philosophies on the way to play football differs - or did you enjoy watching Mourinho's Chelsea more than Wenger's Arsenal? Whether they invest in developing youth or paying expensive foreign stars differs, too - or were you happy to see Robert Pires lumbering about in Villa's midfield while Barry Bannan was out on loan? The passion they display for their club differs. I preferred Martin O'Neill's touchline passion to Gerard Houllier's world weariness or David O'Leary's grim reaper. All these things are vitally important to football fans. And if they aren't important to you, and you really think that it's only about how much money they have to spend, your deep cynicism for the art of football management suggests you aren't really a fan at all. Or at the least you should throw your hat in the ring and come out in favour of McLeish, who must be the cheapest of the options available. Many of us don't want McLeish because, as well as being a 'nose, the football his teams play is dire, old-fashioned, mud-steeped tosh not fit for Villa Park; because he's already done his job for Villa by getting Birmingham City relegated twice in three years and because his way says everything about the past of British football and nothing about it's future. One day we're talking about a smart, young continental manager with a vision of how to play football and the next we're talking about football's equivalent of Rab C. f**king Nesbitt. Can't you see that? |
frosty
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... A couple of things I have leearnt today that are at least fact. * Benitez is confirmed to of had an interview last week, Randy didn't like his transfer targets. Randy said this on SSNews Today via telephone interview. * McCleish was 1/4 favorite 2 hours before he quit. He's being poached by someone and something leaked, you don't walk out on 4m without guarantees. Doesn't mean he's coming here but he's off somewhere. ___________ And the fiction is that we have an agreement in place with Everton that until their new manager is confirmed we are not to usher a word on Moyes. PS - The club have come out and quashed rumours on Hughes, Mclaren and Benitez pretty quickly. If nothing is released by the weekend then I'd maybe start to panic a little (if you are set against McCleish ) |
The Droyd
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...* Benitez is confirmed to of had an interview last week, Randy didn't like his transfer targets. Randy said this on SSNews Today via telephone interview. Randy has done a telephone interview? That has to be a 1st. |
Deke Dastardly
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... One name I'm amazed isn't being mentioned in the betting is Sven. Imagine, we could keep Heskey and team him up with Vassell. Happy days! |
bobvillian
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... under MON villa played on the break with pace to break down teams; then he walks out houlier takes over and changes the football style with more passing involved.This takes a while to sink into the players to change there game;then we get an improvment towards the end of season.Then houlier has his heart trouble and goes.Now we are linked to big elk who plays the same boring football as under MON.So now the players have to change there playing style all over again.Get a grip randy and make up your mind what type of manager do you really want.And please tell us sooner rather than later. |
Doc Bowles
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... bobvillian under MON villa played on the break with pace to break down teams ...and it was often exhilarating stuff. But then you say later Now we are linked to big elk who plays the same boring football as under MON ...the whole point is that Rab's teams play with neither Houllier's (aspirational) passing game, nor O'Neill's pace-and-width game. The only thing they can do is scrap. That's fine if he's considering a move to Rotherham or Barnet. It's not fine for Villa. |
hathers
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... Apparently blues have given Villa permission to speak to McCleish. They are saying we have made a polite enquiry. |
The_Watcher
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... Re: Hathers SSN state that Blues have refused McLeish permission to speak to any other club http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11694_6986873,00.html |
frosty
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...Randy has done a telephone interview? That has to be a 1st. Yeah it's out of character, caught it on my lunch break earlier today. There's more to this McLeish story now. Talks**te have just confirmed Brum are fuming after Villa have suggested they will not need permission to speak with him as he has resigned. Would such a "polite" club do that without intent? |
vijayd
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... where all those idiots who came on here during the weekend and said that there was news about Moyes leaving Everton on Monday?? im fed up with all those people talking absolute crap here! |
robm
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... Blues have according to SSN and Talksh*te allowed only Villa to speak to him, also it seems the have no option but to accept his resignation if you dont want to work somewhere you cant be forced he will not be paid anymore so not really got a leg to stand on. Sad but I am afraid true. |
Heroes & Villans
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... Much like with Rafa i now expect villa to rule out Mcleish now that the story has hit ssn we have made an enquiry...please God! Every day this goes on a little part of me dies. |
dingbat
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... They want 5M compensation! Joke! Can't believe Lerner is even contemplating this move! |
MEV
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... Strange seems no one else seems to have heard this SSN telephone interview with Randy today. |
frosty
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...The passion they display for their club differs. I preferred Martin O'Neill's touchline passion to Gerard Houllier's world weariness or David O'Leary's grim reaper. That plays a massive part, it's why I never took to Houllier (well that and the football we were served up, shame because we looked like Barcelona in the making upto our own 18yrd line). I'm open minded enough to give McLeish a chance, I honestly think he has more about him than GH these days. Besides you don't see Ridgewell and Gardner getting abuse every week, they have become heroes rather than villains boom boom. |
Bigballsalbrighton
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... Can't help but think SSN are full of s**t along with BCFC!!! They've just had the first concrete evidence that villa have contacted B lose about big eck! They said someone??? Not a high member of staff??? Have contacted them about approaching him!!! Bulls**t bulls**t bulls**t!!! So a villa programme seller has asked the security man at the sty what the crack is with mcleish!!! Sky sports news = sky bet = covering there bets!!! Go f**k off!! |
Chrisodon
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... I've stayed very quiet on this as there's so much rumour (true and false) People in the know, people who have got Cousins, aunts, uncles, sons & daughters, who all know someone that knows something. But in truth we know as much as a lampost that's about to be pissed on by a dog, meaning we don't know untill it happens!. |
get IN
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... Isn't it funny how when Randy spent money on Bent everyone was like "god job randy! great owner!" heaping praise on him. And now once things aren't going according to YOUR plans everyone starts crying. Memo to all the fans on this blog - you don't know how to run a club. you think you do. but you don't. its much bigger than all of you think. I love the club as much as the last person, but keep your head for god sakes. |
The_Watcher
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... I've scoured the net for any news on this RL phone interview and found nothing.... Murdoch news international inventing the stories.... Reminds me of a Bond film made not so many years ago |
dingbat
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... Take to the streets Villa! This cannot be allowed to happen! Direct action is what is needed! |
tommo
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... Shows we have ZERO ambition. 5 year plan? Lier learner can do one back 2 browns, effing mcleish! Wot a complete joke...I'd 100% prefere wally now. I'm dun wiv this club at the moment, its a joke |
Villa by Birth
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... I'd like to bet that RL and KFG are pissing them selves with this one! This morning it was that idiot the Moose "DM will stay at EFC" now its Sky sources "I thouyght i left Jacknory back at school" clearly not NUff |
nicknag
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... s**t we have made an enquiry - f**k ME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I WILL NEVER, NEVER EVER GO BACK TO VILLA PARK AGAIN AND SPEND MY MONEY AT THE CLUB AS LONG AS HE IS AT THE CLUB, LERNER YOU ARE COMMITING BUSINESS SUICIDE!!!!! |
robm
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... I think Lerner was upset by fans questioning his decision ref McLaren this is revenge. |
Adam69
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... This is a complete joke now,Mcleish doesn't fit any of the criteria set out by the board in their search for a new manager apart from PL experience or rather being relegated twice. Someone at VP really needs to take control of this situation grow some b******s and get it sorted. Not getting involved in the media in anyway is making this saga all the worse. A simple statement along the lines of " No desicion has been made yet and any names you may see in the press are just speculation" Instead stonewall silence! I find RL'S refusal to talk with the media slightly confusing, whilst a lot of the stuff they print is crap. You can also use the press to your advantage! Sticking your head in the sand and ignoring eveyone like this is pure nonsense. |
oscars arse
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... Got to agree with VTID he's spot on about us never getting into the top 4. We buy or even develop a player, bring him on, gets into the england team and next thing he wants CL football well that's the excuse we all know it's about the money and having his head turned or tapped up even by other England players. Unfortunately that's the nature of the beast these days and won't change until there's a salary cap and the CL actually becomes what it set out to be and that is for champions not 2nd, 3rd or 4th placed clubs. Villa will forever be playing catch up until there is a level playing field or we get a really mega rich owner. For me RL has got to make up his mind what he really wants, Villa or the Browns. It's like running two cars for people like us - I need two front tyres on my Audi but a new exhaust on the Rover what do I do first??? Get my meaning? So really it don't really matter who we get at the end of the day unless there is massive cash injection we just can't compete with the big money boys to me it's immoral but apparently that's the rule of the jungle today. Perhaps a premier 1 and 2 with fewer teams would make life more interesting. As for McCleish I do have sympathy despite his obvious connections with the scum. No matter who they have as a manager will do any good, bear in mind they have had a world cup winning manager there (ALf Ramsey) and a 1st Division championship manager, whose team went on to win the European Cup in our very own Ron Saunders who it affected so much he had crosses put on the floodlights and painted the soles of the boots red to try and rid the place of a gypsy curse so lets judge this guy on what he did up at Rangers, the scum have and always will play crap football its bred in em somehow. |
Elmo Grub
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... 'We will not react to the nonsense that is printed in the media... I know it is a waste of my time to ask for patience and calmness over the next week or two but, be patient, it will get done.' |
robm
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... We should remember that apart from his connection to the clowns he has managed quite succesfully one of the biggest clubs in Europe Glasgow Rangers. |
vijayd
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... dingbat mate, its so sad, where are the other season ticket holders? lerner and faulkner(w****r) where are you hiding?? |
Nike
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... Seriously get Mcleish Randy and il be getting a refund on my season ticket and will not spend another penny on aston villa football club until he has gone You are a complete joke going against the wishes of fans who you claim to love Screw you randy and faulkner |
Elmo Grub
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... Do you really, really, think that a man like RL would make a massive appointment and risk his buisness because of such pettiness. If he was that kind of guy he would have bankrupted himself long ago. If he appoints AM it'll be because he thinks he's the man for the job, not out of revenge. |
Analyse This
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... OMG! I believe everything I'm told by a malicious and self serving media! I can't believe Villa could possibly do this potentially to the fans maybe! If TalkSPIN says it 'looks to be the case' then who am I with my tiny mind to think otherwise! oh if only Deadly was still in charge he wouldn't let this happen. I'm going to turn my season ticket into a series of origami ducks and make them walk past the dugout on the first game of the season. it just makes me so mad maybe! Out with everyone and down with everything! |
robm
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... It has to be RL's decision, sadly his club his money but failure is not an option! As I said we got our way once with Mclaren cant see it happening again. |
Nike
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... Many Empty seats at villa park next season Hope your looking forward to losing out on money Randy for the sake of picking Mcleish Screw the aston villa board your all hypocrites |
MoonPJ
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... I definitely won't be renewing my season tickets if big fek becomes our manager. I can see our attendance dropping to 20,000!! I can't believe this will happen, it feels like a bad dream. Hoping to wake up soon.... |
nicknag
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... Lerner if you appoint McLeish, season tickets sales will fall, shirt sales will fall, assets will leave (downing, bent) we will struggle in the league, the value of your club will decrease giving you less profit if you sell villa, the integrity of the club will be lost, you will set aston villa back so far that it will take years to recover. |
hathers
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... If you take the blues connection away from MacLeish I still wouldn't take him. His style of football is dire to watch. Some of his transfers are appalling ie Zigic I think is the worse Prem player I have ever seen. He relegated blues twice in 4 years, the list goes on. Randy you are a desperate chairman. You lack knowledge of the English game and it shows with this move for MacLeish. |
robm
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... The way football has gone in recent years this is typical, fans no longer own the clubs money men do, we are no longer fans we are customers, football is the "product" we might just as well go to Tesco on a Saturday we have about as much say in how its run. |
Nike
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... Anyone got the EMAIL address Mcleish used to resign I wouldn't mind sending him an email or two Pretend not to believe it all you want fact is we are interested As soon as his appointed im down villa park for refunds and to protest this ridiculous idea |
B62 Villa
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... f**k mcleish, he will be booed before the season starts, i will not set foot in VP untill he leaves, i will not renew my season ticket and not buy any merchandise or shirts or anything, i will cut all ties til he is hounded out like a dog, Randy you do this and you will hsve lost the entire paying fanbase, dont be a c**t |
Villa by Birth
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... Just had a thought - does Randy have shares in the media as well? This is one way of getting villa up the SEO ratings UTV |
scaff 1
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... robm you said it was his club his money,its his money mate but its our club we will still be here when hes gone and forgotten. He,s counting on apathy from the loyal villains same as deadly Doug mate thats why we suffered for 40 years. We have to let him know in no uncertain terms that he is playing with fire and he will not ride roughshod over us just because he thinks he knows best .f**k off lerner and you fat f**k faulkner |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Listening to WM. Something I hadn't thought of Apparently Hughes would want to bring all his only people with him. Do we really want this? In Sid, McAndrew and MacDonald we have some of the proven best in the business when it comes to the youth and the academy. |
Analyse This
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... Don't you see?!? This is EXACTLY what they want us to do! It's how they want us to react! TalkSPIN are even giving us the chance to tell our board how much we hate them right now! The cheek of it! We need to pull together as Aston Villa Football Club and UNITE in the face of media sniping!!! Siege mentality. Them and us. Aston Villa vs. The World. They know as much as we do - zilch! kaput! diddly squat! sweet fanny-adams! The advantage they have over you is they have a vehicle to peddle whatever hair-brain idea they cook up over a few pints down the Dog n Duck after work. Don't fool for it! Respec' |
robm
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... scaff 1: I know that and you know that but owners of football clubs dont especially American ones sad but true. |
Walls10
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... I've never heard so much b******s in my life What is a matter with you lot randy won't Give the job to eck if other fans are reading this Blog they will think we r s right load of fannys Now calm down or go and watch a soap or Do what birds shud be doing |
yes_villa
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... Hear what i think bout this manager mess.. * Carlos Ancelotti = Very good manager and he was coming to the villa, but if u had a clause in your contract at work saying u can't work for no company in the same area for a year and u'll get £1.5m who would take it. * Roberto Martinez = one for the future, the loyalty he showed to wigan was great and really good to see there are still loyal people in the game, BUT u have to blame villa for this one did we even talk to him NO!!! had the chance to but NO we didn't!!! * The wally with the brolly = Was and still could be, but villa was a bit to much of a major club for him to start bak in england with. He should try the clowns the might suit..lol!! * Mark Hughes = silent but deadly, should be the and is the 1 to take u far but it seem we don't want to piss off our sister team in north london (fulham, we seem really close..FxPro!!!) * so it only leaves McLeish he's gud enough to make the clowns win a cup he will do the same for us and when were singing his name and taking the piss out of the clowns will u remember he was a blue noise???? Who ever we get as a manager get behind the and give them your support until the mess up then make all the sounds u want. oh yeah fire,sack, kick out who ever is the PR manager or Team, we look like a s**t club and clowns in the of eyes of the football world. |
.vogra
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... With the money MON wasted, my question is if the same amount was given to McKleish would he have spent it better? |
scaff 1
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... Would the CEO of Marks and sparks say he is only gonna sell crisps when everybody in the shop wants chocolate. I dont f**king think so. Commercial suicide f**king idiots |
Pablo Diablo
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... Its all nonsense this. I would put money on the fact that Mcleish wont be Villa manager. It just reeks of Sky and the media stirring things up to generate some news as Villa are keeping things tight and not playing the game through the media (or maybe we are playing the media). According to Sky we have been linked with everyone under the sun available and not available so far and they have been proven to be wrong on every occasion. The term 'clutching at straws' springs to mind. Sky report that they have 'concrete' evidence that Villa have approached Blues.. albeit an 'informal' approach asking about how the land lies.. 'Concrete' as in a bitter blues chairman speaking to Sky in order to make a point to his ex manager about him not joining another club? As a business, exploring all avenues (even ones you may not take or want to take) is essential to making calculated decisions about yourself and competitors. I tell you know, its all a smoke screen for bringing in Hughes on 1st July. As when he joins us, Fulham can't take action against us for compensation as we have been seen to look at other managers over a month (even though we haven't actually formally interviewed anyone yet.. that we know of!) |
robm
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... BBC, SSN and Talksh*te all are carrying the story in one form or another (although pretty much the same) there must be something in it now. |
Analyse This
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... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM don't...don-don...don't...don-don't don't believe the hyyyype!  |
Elmo Grub
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... Two great posts Analyse This. The headline is getting all the attention that we've made an enquiry. Dorsett has just elaborated on SSN on what his 'sources' say. Apparently we made an informal enquiry to see if AM was free to talk to Villa and apparently the clowns said no. So even if you believe the 'sources' and the story (which I don't) we haven't been given the permission to talk to AM anyway. |
TrueVillan
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... well, for all you fans that believed in Lerner, here is the proof that he has not got a clue what he is doing! 2 weeks on, with plenty of prior warning about Houllier, and we end up looking at McLeish! Randy Lerner is a clueless American idiot! he got his money from Daddy, so I dont buy the business man thing either! he let MON nearly bankrupt us and saddle us with players and wages we will prob carry for a few more years yet, then a sick, old man, who should have been left alone you heartless b*****d! now this! rejected by a no one (martinez) and chasing another no one! it seems Lerner enjoys relegation battles, because that is what he recruits in managers, losers! I will stop watching if he comes, we are being made to look stupid! ASTON VILLA FC(f**kIN CLUELESS!) |
robm
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... We all have to admit that if we get someone who is already employed ie Moyes then compensation is required RL simply wont pay so we are reduced to out of work managers Hughes as such a big entourage including ex clown Mark Bowen that it is increasingly unlikely to be him, so will he entice an out of work foreign manager like Rijkaard or Rafa? doubt it they would both want huge transfer budgets, at the moment then that leaves McLeish I think we have to get real I know 95% of us on here dont wan him anywhere near VP but think logically it comes back to him all the time, we might not like or want him but we all know with football win your first two games and everything is forgotten. |
Pablo Diablo
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... The media will say anything in order to get a reaction. I bet we have enquired about numerous managers over the past week but the Chairmans of these clubs haven't said anything so it hasn't been reported... unlike Whelan who wanted a bit of press and engineered the whole Martinez thing and now that bluenose p***k who is having a go at his ex manager in the public eye, and trying to drag us into it too. Our board are standing firm and not getting drawn into the speculation and sensationalism that the press are trying to cause. |
Nike
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... I am with every single angry fans on here or out there in this world You bring in Mcleish = You have gone against the wishes of fans Damian please do not try to defend this decision what so ever because that would make you two faced like some of the others on here acting out that Mcleish is not to bad.....Yet last week had a completly different opinion of him Anyone that trys to defend this decision is as two faced as they come Oh and don't slag people for being angry because we have every bloody right to be angry |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Lets put the Villa back into the Villa. Leave Sid and Kevin Mac where they are. They're doing a great job. Go and get BIG RON or Brian Little with Deano as number 2. It's worked at L'Pool and Dalglish is no great coach or tactician. He just has the club at heart and the fans 100% behind him. |
bobvillian
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... Dark days ahead randy has took as back big time.The money lost next year with gates;players leaving;shirt sales;no sponser as yet; Very real possibily on going down next season.I wonder what the fans who did not want mclaron are thinking now? |
Elmo Grub
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... If the press could get away with it they'd be saying the club were looking to bring in Gary Glitter to take over the youth team. They hate Villa because we're not in London or the North West and they love controversy because it brings in the punters. Relax people. You don't have a right to be angry because he hasn't actually done anything yet. When he does and if you don't like it then you have the right to be angry otherwise you're just being a pawn of the media. |
ou812
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... On the facebook page they are trying to orginise a protest for Wed @5pm North Stand car park. I dont know about this, on twitter ive read we only replied to the email sent by them to us over McLeish. Im going to stay calm until Villa come out & confirm/deny this. |
Analyse This
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... to be honest I'm not 100% bothered about who we get as the next manager, Aston Villa will still be a gargantuan of English football for many many years to come. What really grinds my gears is how Talkf****nSPIN can get the famously unpartizan IAN DANTER to comment on events! What absolutely leaves me seeeeeething mad is the diabolical way in which the media is playing silly-beggars with the integrity of OUR great club! down with everyone! out with everything! |
davyboy
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... we can not let this happen at all costs we just cant is there anything we can do ? |
robm
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... I think some people are simply saying they will back the manager whoever he is and where ever he has come from. Personally I dont want him I can though see many reasons why Lerner would, as in all matters no one is right no one is wrong its just an opinion. |
Pablo Diablo
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... This press induced reaction by certain fans to nothing actually happening is unbelievable. I mean, has the club actually made an offer for anyone yet? No... so what have they done to deserve a backlash? Put down your pitchforks folks. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Should RL pull a rabbit out of the hat, I hope those using expletives and calling him everything under the sun have the decency to apologise. He hasn't failed us yet, the media know no more than us. The language on here is obscene. |
mario
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... In the beginning when RL and Co were keeping everything close to their chest, I thought that was a good thing, but now it is making our great club look like fools. They should now come out and say that they have either requested permission to speak to Mcleish or not. Stop all these pundits scoring cheap points at our expense |
jimbuck
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... bit more good news for McLeish haters.... several blues players have piled into "Mcleish to Villa" at bookies this afternoon , it's lookin bleak !!! |
Heroes & Villans
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... Im starting to feel a tad embarassed supporting this great club.....all my mates have given up taking the piss and are now feeling sorry for me. Just to be linked with Mcleish is quite frankly a disgrace...the guy has just got a club relegated so we should not even be entertaining the idea! We are becoming a laughing stock. I have been a great fan of Learner but the way we are going about this is a joke.....i am still trying to reserve judgement until an appointment has been made. |
Nike
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... ou812 Yes and im attending should it go ahead Villa was quick enough to dismiss mark hughes wasnt they yet they have not done it with Mcleish So that confirms we are interested What Drama and Madness randy lerner will bring upon himself Id stay away from Villa Park for a long time you appoint the clown that is Mcleish |
MEV
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... 2+2=456789976544 How embarrassing a lot of you gullible fools are. Anyone got any actual proof, we have said we want to talk to him, never mind that he is going to be our next manager? Or did Randy say it in his mythical telephone interview. Pathetic, sack everyone, close the club down. VTID |
Analyse This
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... in this country we are innocent until proven guilty. let's not turn this into an angry mob, pitch forks and burning torches down Villa Park of an evening type situation, because that is precisely what Mr.Media wants to happen, think of the ratings! KERRCHING!! do you really want to be on national TV, screaming and slavering hate in to the cameras to millions of people watching at home thinking 'my word, TalkSPIN were right all along! just look at them all! It's just not Cricket!' we don't know what is happening behind closed doors, for all we know, it could be Willy f****n Wonka and a herd of Umpa-Loompah's giving Sam Matterface a reach-around... Until we know, FOR SURE, and see whoever the manager is going to be paraded on avfc.co.uk with a 'cat got the cream' grin on his chevy chase, don't get dragged in to all this back'n'forth and give them a chance... REMEMBER! Aston Villa 1st everything else 2nd! |
robm
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... Dont want McLeish any more than the next man but all those saying they are going to stay away if we get Man U at VP 1st game of the season it will be full, if we win the 2nd and 3rd games will be full. |
mon 4-5-1
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... Calm down people, it's pathetic how people can change tune so quickly. Let's wait and see how things pan out. |
eoin1981
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... Keeping cards close to his chest is not making the club look like fools - its making the media and even more so our gullable fans look like uneducated morons. Wolf, wolf, wolf..... Somebody mentioned 'decisions' above - NOBODY knows 1 decision that the club have made in relation to the new manager except that we approached Wigan regarding Martinez. Don't you think this somewhat points to the type of manager we are looking for?? This is a massive decision - isn't it worth waiting a few days till we get the right man as opposed to mass hysteria? |
Heroes & Villans
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... Regarding the media they are just doing there job....they can smell blood and want a story...Villa should be nipping it in the bud. Then they wont have a story. |
Darrenvilla26
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... Stick your pitchfork up your arse Nob ends protesting over s**t made up by media whores |
Analyse This
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... 'the media they are just doing there job.' Far from it, Aston Villa Football Club are preventing them from doing their job. How could they?! The audacity! Do they not know who we are!?!? The Media is biting back like a wounded animal and the club is standing it's ground... They don't like it up 'em Mr.Mainwairing! |
mon 4-5-1
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...Heroes & Villans said: So what blood can they smell? Where is the evidence? |
mon 4-5-1
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...bobvillian said: Protest about what? |
Elmo Grub
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... Well that's exactly what we need during the process of hiring a new manager - a protest. What better thing for a prospective manager to see out the window as he sits in his interview than a bunch of slack jawed yokels hurling abuse at the board. Cause that'll make him itch to come here won't it. Well done. Randy is a quiet reserved gentleman. And i use the term gentleman sparingly these days. Get used to the fact he isn't going to air his laundry in public and the media will therefore make up any old b****x because they have nothing else, can get away with it and because they don't like Lerner's reluctance to play the game by their rules. |
Rattleman
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... Ah..now I see. the secret plan, the 5 year transition, the building of a dynasty in the style of GH. This is the f**king reality! Where is all the villa board and management love now? Damian and so many other have been taken for a bunch of fools believing the spin. Or am I mistaken and we are not about to approach a manager who has taken a team down twice in 3 years. Scored the least amount of goals last year, and to top it off, managed our dear friends from s**t Heath! God I'm depressed |
MEV
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... Yes lets have a protest, not sure what about, but it should make the club look more attractive to potential new managers and players. I'm in. |
vijayd
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... i think the bottom line is that we win, not who is incharge, maybe im starting to accept Mcleish! if he brings Foster and Dann, that would be a start, and maybe sign Pavlychenko (he nearly did at blues) Adam and N Zogbia, then everything will be ok! |
AVFC Jamaica
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... Let's hope this is bulls**t. I cannot believe we are trying to appoint a manager with ginger hair! Name a ginger 11? |
Analyse This
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... you'd get more support if you were to organise a massive game of ULTIMATE FRISBY down Cannon Hill park! Now there's an idea!!! (weather permitting of course... ) |
mon 4-5-1
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... Ermmm, have Chelsea appointed a new manager yet? I don't see there fans beaving in this manner - to be honest some of the comments on here have really been pathetic and not very bright. |
oldvillan
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... regardless of who comes in proper fans (not armchair or internet fans)will still support the club through thick or thin,players/managers come and go but aston villa will go on,and before anyone jumps on my back i have been going home/away for 50 yrs and watched the good and the bad.even if he has managed the clowns does not make him an idiot so lif he does come lets hope he brings foster.dann and johnson with him and give him our full support otherwise we will have another crap season,you never know he might just do a good job.UTV |
eoin1981
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... A sky sports source has announced that the world is in fact flat. Aston Villa fans worldwide decided against arranging a protest as 99% of them were afraid to walk outside their houses. |
Nike
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... MON4-5-1 Clearly does not have a clue what is happening Protest about Mcleish you doughnut Or are you one of those two faced fans that changed his mind about Mclesih and now cause we are interested he is not so bad ? Im more than willing to go and protest about this........I was there when O Neill came what a great day that was so i think i do have the right to protest against this decision As do every other single Aston Villa fan |
theleague
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... who ever the manager is,i'll still go down,give him my support,the bigger picture is Aston Villa fc.UTV |
Walls10
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... Yes lets protest have you seen the price of petrol What did I say earlier wot a bunch of fannies |
salty
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... I saw a repeat of Witchfinder General on TV the other night. It was about gullible people persuaded by nasty people with an agenda to burnt the innocent even though there was not a shred of evidence that they had done anything other than kept a broomstick [oh, and they probably had warts and they may even have been fat, and they probably knew nothing about football because they were from America]. It happened a lot in the middle ages. So lets go down to VP and do it all over again, shall we? Stay calm. UTV |
Raz
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... I like randy Lerner but I gotta say - this is piss poor This basically says we had no plan once houllier left. Were scrapping the f**king barrel for a replacement, when in fact, Hughes f**king left his job to join us, but because we don't like the way he left, we won't appoint. Here's lesson number one for Lerner in English football - beggars can't be choosers. Sign Hughes up now!!! |
Analyse This
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... the right to protest. one of the things which makes this country great... it is everyone's right to protest as they wish about whatever they wish. you won't find me trying to prevent anyone from doing so. All I ask is that you think, I mean really think, about how you will be portraying the club that you obviously are so passionate about, to a sniping and backstabbing media who will twist and spin and do whatever they can to make a sensationalist 'story'! |
bushnell87
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... AVFC Jamacian Bogdanovic, Wes Brown, James Collins, Paul Mcshane,Jon Arne Riise, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, Steve Sidwell, Ben Watson, Dave Kitson, John Hartson |
mon 4-5-1
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... Nike, Actually I do not rate Mclesh, however why would I go and protest on something that is media gossip and not actually factual? Who’s the doughnut now? So if next week were linked to Avram Grant (who I also do not rate), are you going to go for another protest? Let’s wait, get some facts, see how things pan out, and then decide on proper course of action, if it is actually required - this really is making Villa fans look daft! |
Nike
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... theleague if your happy paying for a season ticket to go watch an anti football team then good look to ya cause im not paying for that crap Mcleish at Rangers exacty the same as at Birmingham defensive anti football that won't change just because he is aston villa manager he will always be the same and play that way because its the only way he knows Birmingham fans have got lucky in losing Mcleish at least now they have a chance of getting a manager that wants to play football At least while your watching that rubbish football you'll be able to count all the empty seats around you |
Nike
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... If birmingham had any brains they would give us permission to speak to him because they should know he will turn us into a bottom half club or championship club |
Analyse This
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... this is NOT about managers now. This is about so much more. This is about maintaining the integrity and composure of Aston Villa Football Club, one of the most famous football clubs in the world, in the face of viscious media conjecture. Meanwhile, TalkSPIN have just admitted the contact 'wasn't official'! Priceless! |
mon 4-5-1
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...Raz said: Perfect example of a daft Villa fan. We cannot sign up Hughes right now even if we wanted to. His contract states he cannot sign up for another club until 1st or 2nd of July. |
HertsVilla
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... Yawn.... I'm getting bored now... The angry mob can carry on winding themselves up into a frenzy by believing the shat coming out of the media. I'm outta here.......... |
Analyse This
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... Villa Fans UNITE. Remember, there are NO daft Villa Fans. By definition, a fan of Aston Villa Football Club could never be daft, could they??? They have made the cognitive decision to support the most amazing football club in the history of anything, that's pretty smart thinking to me! |
jimbuck
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... wasn't the last man to manage Villa and blues (and albion)Ron Saunders ? i seem to remember he relegated the other 2 but did rather well for us !!!! it's in the stars lol |
Bigballsalbrighton
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... Please will all people thinking of protesting over the "concrete" evidence from sky bet bookies sports news media circus just go back through the reports and find a concrete piece of evidence from those reports??? No quotes, no names, just pure tripe to get the likes of you lot outside the villa so they've got some sports coverage other than golf and bloody cricket!!! Get a grip. If/when they do appoint him, kick off all you want. But till then just keep yourselves indoors, don't buy a paper , turn off your telly and Internet and ask a friend to let you know when it's over. |
robm
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... Do we reall think the clowns will let us have Foster, Johnson or Dann if Ekk comes? If they do it will be at an inflated price which RL wont pay. |
mon 4-5-1
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...vijayd said: Why? Are Chelsea coming out and saying who they are going to interview; or interested in? The club have already told us that they will let us know when the time is right, so why can we not take that at face value? |
TerryFarquit
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... Me and my 30 mates have just put £1000 each on McLeish to be the new manager of Villa... As soon as we put the money on, the odds shortened... That's because it's a dead cert now and not because I'm too thick to understand how the betting companies price the odds. |
Pablo Diablo
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...eoin1981 SKY bet are offering good odds that the world will actually be revealed as flat tomorrow. Apparently they have 'concrete' evidence that someone made an enquiry about the flatness. Throw your money at SKY quick. |
Shaw82
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... Really embarrassing that we throw our toys out of the pram! Collymore has given AM his backing and I can understand why! Every time a new story comes out we attack Lerner! Wait till we here something concrete then make your mind up but just wait, the media have to entertain and we are doing exactly what they want like a bunch of mugs! Just wait and see! |
Analyse This
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... we all want the best for Aston Villa Football Club, from having read this blog that is quite obvious. it is for this reason that we should be wary of accepting any information fed to us by anyone who isn't the club itself. Patience is a virtue, he who laughs last laughs longest, insert other cliche... |
Pablo Diablo
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...Benny from Crossroads now 1/5 favourite for Villa job.... That will probably be in the newspapers tomorrow as the clubs number one target. |
robm
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... Lets be logical here we contacted Wigan about Martinez as he was under contract, Hughes is now although out of work still apparently under contract if we are going to get Hughes have we actually spoke to Fulham? If not why not? They have their manager now I think you will find the problem with Hughes is his backroom staff at least 4 of them who follow him everywhere Hughes wont come without them and we wont get rid of Sid, KMac etc. In football if someone wants somebody they go and get them money talks and there is a way around everything, I am convinced Hughes wont be coming he'd have been here by now forget the 30day twaddle,I thinks it media talk. Funny how we believe some media when it suits and not other when we dont like it no wonder we're known as f***le |
Bigballsalbrighton
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... The best protest that could be arranged at the moment is to get sky sports and any other media outlet as far away from villa park as possible and leave us to get on with the process. We'll contact you when we've got news, now bugger off!!! |
Nike
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... MON4-5-1 if we do nothing now and stand around Randy will carry on and appoint the idiot Mcleish You can't trust an american as far as you can throw one same with Randy he don't get off the hook just because he owns villa He will think it is acceptable to appoint Mcleish if no one does or says anything |
Nike
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... As for the club saying something Yeh they should they was fast enough to dismiss Hughes wasnt they ' |
Pablo Diablo
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... Nike.. using xenophonbia as the basis of your argument does very little for the credibility and reputation of Villa fans and its lame and shallow. Its on a par with racism and there is no place for it. |
Whitto
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... I have been a member of this Blog for a few seasons but never posted anything - until now! Villa is part of my life has been since the 70's was lucky enough for my dad to take me to the European cup final I was 11 years old - good times - I went to every game home and away in the old 2nd divison in 87 and we Villa fans back then had a ball!! does anyone remember we even had Jesus with us at Bournemouth away!! If you were there you will remember him raised up at the back and the chanting that followed - good times with good fans, I have had a season ticket since 1978 and drink in the Aston Social before and after each game it's part of my life Anyway I am very concerned about what could happen in the next few days this is not funny Mcleash is not a very bright man nor are the current board of Aston Villa if both party's think this will work out! the atmosphere when things start to go wrong won't be for the faint hearted and it will go wrong as much as I would not want it too it will and for that fact I will have to really concider renewing my season ticket or I would probably be arrested! Anyone who is saying Mcleash could be ok obviously doesn't know much about football, his style is dour defensive negative and boring and has just had the rags relegated again. This is actually unsettling me - it's made me edgey and grumpy! I actually know how much tonight I love Aston Villa PLEASE DO NOT APPOINT ALEX McLEASH there are some things in life you just don't do so DON'T do it |
AVFC_lesta
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... hi Damian 7700 has signed up to we don't want alex mcleish has manager in just under 24 hours..... thats more than birmingham season ticket holders lol http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Aston-Villa-Supporters-We-dont-want-Alex-McLeish/138020092940721 |
jamesp59
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...Well that's exactly what we need during the process of hiring a new manager - a protest. What better thing for a prospective manager to see out the window as he sits in his interview than a bunch of slack jawed yokels hurling abuse at the board. Cause that'll make him itch to come here won't it. Well done. Couldn't agree with you more Elmo Grub....This is all media hype, they had nothing better to report on a slow Sunday afternoon, so they went with McLeish coming to Villa. Now they are just adding more fuel when they saw what a response they got. When the Club comes out with an OFFICIAL statement then I will believe it. How many of the reports have been true that Villa is talking to this or that person have been true? None! Villa never actually talked with Martinez, they just asked permission to. So as far as we know Villa has only asked to talk to one person. Mr. Lerner isn't playing the game like the media wants him to so they will attempt to make him, the fans and Aston Villa look stupid. And guess what, some fans are falling into the trap. Let's just all calm down and wait for the OFFICIAL statement from Aston Villa, and then if you want to protest go right ahead. But until then be patient and have some trust in Mr. Lerner and the Board that they have the best interest of Aston Villa and the fans at heart. |
ordinaryjoe
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... I suppose (looking for something positive here) that it seems good that the club are not rushing to appoint, but are being careful. There seems also to have been some quiet dignity about it - there has not been a rush of media statements or interviews. That being said, and although I put myself rather in the same bracket as some of those posting on this blog who support the club "no matter what" - I still find it hard to understand the interest in McLeish. It is not only his obvious connection with small heath but also his rather poor record. I think I will just have to follow advice from Bigballs... .....turn off your telly and Internet and ask a friend to let you know when it's over maybe when it is all over we shal look back and wonder what all the fuss was about..... |
robm
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... For anyone craving the return of MON his style of play:counter attacking, similar to one Alex McLeish whats the difference apart from where he is coming from? Still dont want him but guess most of the victriol is to do with his Blues connections. |
RobAVFC
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... THis is all well and good protesting about McLeish. But lets look at it from Lerners view HOW MANY OTHER MANAGERS ARE KNOCKING THE DOOR AT VP FOR A JOB AT OUR GREAT CLUB ?????????????? |
lightning
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... Renew your season tickets. They need the cash for the Blue nose compo fund. We real are a sad joke. |
robm
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... RobAVFC: 100% correct and any that are will change their mind if they read this blog. |
proxopera
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... No matter who gets appointed the VP regulars in particular need to get their priorities right. When MOn was first appointed ,it could be argued that the general wave of goodwill certainly helped him in his job and made it easier for him to motivate his players .When a team feel good and the crowd are behind them they generally get results but the reverse is also true . I am not happy with any of the suggestions for manager so far but whoever they appoint thats it and as fans we need to give that person a chance to prove themselves or not. I dont subscribe to the view that lerner is somehow being steered by opinions on here or similar sites but I do know that the only people the current agitation is serving is blues fans . People on here are working themselves into a ridiculous frenzy , chill the f**k out and wait for the word from VP . Those semi-literate dickheads from the red-tops are taking the piss and some villa fans are taking the bait every time . FFS , if you need instant gratification that badly , buy some porn. |
scaff 1
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... Does any one know if is possible to give your season ticket back eg;(cooling off period) and how many comments on any one thread is the record |
robm
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... A few good results a few exciting signings and no matter who the manager is he will be a hero Mcleish included. |
RobAVFC
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... One thing we all must realise is McLeish Is not a Blues fan. He knows he is not going to get them back up next season so he wants to jump ship and join the number 1 club in the Midlands. Thats the way Im looking at it. The Joke is on Birmingham City. |
DSB
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... Hopefully all this talk about McLeish is just a smokescreen, when we approach Mark Hughes everyone will be so relieved they will unite behind him. Please don't let this be wishful thinking!!!!! |
Nike
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... Pablo if you are going to use big words at least spell them correctly lol I am not racist but i am concerned about our club being in the hands of an american Glazers Hicks n Co are a good example |
scaff 1
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... lerners plane has flown to Figari, Corsica tonight according to reports, Hopefully to tell Mcleish the strength of feeling against him is to much to overcome, Dont shoot the messenger |
Analyse This
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... All I know is that we should be wary of allowing unfounded gossip and media hyperbole create divisions among the fans. We all want the same thing - a healthy and happy Aston Villa Football Club! We CANNOT allow them to break us down from the inside. Fight the machine! Whatever happens, whoever the manager is or which winger we have, or whoever is making the teas or cleaning the kits, or painting the railing at Villa Park or selling programs on match days, Aston Villa Football Club will be the only constant... Forever more... (*cue epic film soundtrack...*) |
Nike
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... Im sure Randy thinks we are like Cleveland Browns fans and will just roll over on any decision Well i have news for ya Randy we won't give in we are not like them Browns fans we will riot on you big time |
robm
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... To Lerner and his like we are customers not fans, like it or lump it is the attitude. |
clarke
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... McLeish for manager? are you mad? WTF! This is a joke. his credentials dont even stack up to Gordon Strachan- even i could guide Rangers or Celtic to Scottish glory. Im seriously disgusted by this notion that the best managerial candidates we can hope to attract are Martinez and McLeish- ambition? I think that ship has sailed. And sunk. Is it a war cry to our players that we seriously want to challenge for honours- more like a whimper that relegation is a definite prospect and who better to go through it all again than Alex 'one up front' McLeish!! |
Hadders7
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... Analyse This: we don't know what is happening behind closed doors, for all we know, it could be Willy f****n Wonka and a herd of Umpa-Loompah's giving Sam Matterface a reach-around... Thanks for putting a smile on my face after a garbage day...that was funny as! |
The Voice of Reason
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... Hmm. Did everyone's IQ just drop by 50%? It won't be McLeish, he quit Blues because he's going to have to sell his best (I use that term loosely) players and the board are replacing them with no-hopers/free transfers. Of course we all know that Carsten Yeungs company in Hong Kong went into administration last week don't we? So they have NO money to invest whatsoever? McLeish is just deserting the sinking ship, he'll get snapped up by someone, but it won't be us. His pride won't let him see his team be dismantled by the board. It'll be Hughes without a doubt. Fulham replaced him in four days, they knew it was coming. This month that Hughes has to wait before he can officially look for work elsewhere is just a smokescreen to save Fulham's blushes so it doesn't look like he walked out on Fulham straight into Aston and we don't get cast as the bad guys in the press and Fulham save face. Come on guys it's not difficult to work out, a lot of you on here are making yourselves look REALLY stupid. Go and put your live savings on Hughes, he's still 9/4, you'll make a lot of money. In the meantime you may want to consider some of the comments on here, if I was RL and I was reading this I'd be sorely tempted to cut my losses with such a display of ignorance/abuse directed towards me, as obviously there's loads of people willing to plough nearly £200 million into the club. Oh my bad, there isn't. |
Leroy
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... The only thing embarrassing at the moment is morons demanding protests and the like. Nothing has happened yet.....nothing has been confirmed nor denied. Why look like a complete w****r by trying to organize protests. That is the number one best way to make sure we scare away any decent managers. Absolutely dire some of these people on here lately. |
hello bud
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...it could be Willy f****n Wonka and a herd of Umpa-Loompah's giving Sam Matterface a reach-around... shout that son !! |
Analyse This
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... we are in danger of isolating ourselves from the rest of football. please. for the good of Aston Villa. if you can't see that this is about more than just who will be the next manager of our Football Club then we are, as a club, in real danger of compromising ANY future potential that this great footballing institution has. Don't play into the hands of those that would only bring us down. |
Nike
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... I wonder what Lerner's problem is with Hughes How he thinks Mcleish is better il never know ( But then again he is american) He can't really say that Hughes will use us as a stepping stone because everyone thought that with O'Neill becoming next UTD manager he didn't have a problem with that did he so why Hughes ? All we can hope for is a Favour from Birmingham and they refuse any permission for us to speak to Mcleish |
The Droyd
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... First of all, I will support whoever the club appoint. My season ticket is secured for next season and I am relaxed about the situation currently. I think McLeish could do a decent job for us. He has been at a piss pot club with relatively modest funds. He has won them a trophy. Yes they have been relegated twice with him but that's more down to the club he is at rather than the manager he is. I loved every minute of their relegation but will admit they were unlucky. I don't think he would necessarily play a negative brand of football at Villa just like I don't necessarily think Allardyce would play the long ball at a big club. McLeish is a pragmatic manager that has played negatively at a club with little resources. If I was a manager of a s**t club then I would play defensive football too. Why gift the bigger clubs victory? Make it hard for them. I believe he would adapt accordingly with whatever squad he inherits. Unlike Houllier. He would certainly improve the defence and make us a threat from set pieces. The reason I think McLeish would be a poor appointment is this wave of bad feeling against him. Can you imagine how impossible it would be for him if we got off to a bad start? There has been much made on this blog about people not giving Houllier a chance. If McLsish got off to a bad start then there would be people calling for his head in September. This is why I don't think the appointment of McLeish stacks up. I won't believe it unless I see him at VP in a press conference. Our board couldn't seriously overlook the serious disadvantages here. I think they have shown some staggering incompetence in their decision making over the last year but surely they would have learned from their mistakes? I am actually really pleased about McLeish resigning because it hurts the B-Lose. He has taken them up once before so has the track record in that league. Who are they going to get of any note now? It is delightful watching that nasty, oikish club unravel. If you are ever depressed about Villa all you need to do is remind yourself of that shower of s**t down the road. |
eldersosh
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... I don't want McLeish. But not just become he comes from blues but mainly cause i don't think he's a good manager birmingham played horrible football scoring the least goals in the league. He also got Birmingham who didn't have the worst squad relegated. If we get McLeish i will lose faith in Lerner. |
robm
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... Nike: Hughes back up crew Bowen, Nedweski, plus 2 more are part of what you get with Hughes, more bodies more money, then what about Sid GMac and KMac. |
Adam69
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... Re the plane rumours and Corsica Ive just done some checks and RL'S plane is not due or has it arrived at Corsica today, rumour quashed. Im not sad really just bored at work! |
steve villa boy
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... If the clubs mamanagement will not listen to the passion and belief of the Villa fans that are the best supporter on the planet then we have'nt got a chance Faulkner has been quoted that the process to bring a manager to the club is not as easy as buying a balti and sometimes the fans will have to bow to our decision on who will be the new manager. Will that tells me that all of us who support this great club and spend their hard earned cash in the process will have to now demontrate on the steps of Villa Park to get their message over. What a f**king state of affairs |
pprid
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... its a funny old game. i was thinking earlier that i missed jimmy hill off match of the day |
Jarni Army Villain
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... On a lighter note Webcam cancels wedding an Ridgwell cancels wedding, rumour has it webcam was nobbing agent ridgwells fiancée lol |
V.T.I.D
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... Doc Bowles, dont u get it, yes i would love a passionate manager like O'Neill was, i would also like to see Villa play football like arsenal and barca do but at the end of the day, like i said, when we're making progress, money bags teams like Citeh come knocking and our players smell the cash and leave. So i will say what ive said b4, we cannot compete with the top 4 and never will be able to regardless of passionate and ambitious managers because the money talks. We dont have that money to buy these sort of players and more importantly keep them at our club when we do have them. Surely ur not that naive that u cant see that. If we had Mourinho sign tomorrow, yes there would be mass hysteria, Villa Park would be a sellout every week and Villa would most definately improve under him but without a major cash injection like Citeh or Chelsea have done, not even he could get us there. |
steve villa boy
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... Voice of Reason Its not our IQ thats dropped mate, but the Villa management have shown no IQ, Just an official statement from our club saying that they will not be pursuing Mcliesh would be welcome at this point in time |
Analyse This
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... 'Faulkner has been quoted...' In the interests of fairness, it was General Krulak the PR man, on an alternative blog to this. It's good of him to even write entries on that blog, let alone sit and read some of the comments he gets in return. Some clubs don't even have that, do we have it so bad? It's been mentioned above, we have to think about our club AS A WHOLE from top to bottom of which we are a very big part. Karma will come back around and bite us on the ass. |
sjh
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... i have to say some of the comments spitting venom at RL are nothing short of a disgrace! Call urselves villa fans,id expect this from the scumbags down the road but not u lot.U really think mcleish is gonna come,get real! Look at the money rl has pumped into the club,he has the clubs interests at heart and even though we dont know whats going on id rather this thenwashing our laundry in public.take it easy and chill out ffs! |
walls10
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... im still going to renew my season ticket and if i dont like who the new manager is i will take it back you have 24 hours before the start of the season to take it back. so stop pissing and moaning and back your team you love you moaning fannies |
vijayd
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... Mcleish's appointment will be followed up by a top signing, a la Bent, then everything will be hunky dory |
jc30
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... ... im still going to renew my season ticket and if i dont like who the new manager is i will take it back you have 24 hours before the start of the season to take it back. so stop pissing and moaning and back your team you love you moaning fannies Hmm u say u will take back ur season ticket if u dont like who the new manager is, then u tell us to stop moaning and to 'back our team',. How would u be backing your team by taking back ur season ticket fool? |
DiscoBadger
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... I've just heard RL has offered Big Eck £2.5m a year..... To stay at the Blues! A lot of you need to calm down and wait to see what happens before we go all student fee's down B6. |
walls10
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... thats right knobhead if i dont like the manager i will take it back so thats how sure i am of mcleish wont be our manager |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... I think the club will release a statement in next day or two...in regards to not being interested in McLeish i think they'll have to |
rocky
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...Leroy said:spot on.i didn`t want Martinez and i don`t want Hughes or Big Feck but some of the bile been spewed on here today is disgusting |
jc30
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... Ur the knobhead u muppet, telling ppl to back their team when ur threatening to take ur season ticket back. Thick t**t |
Chrisodon
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... I Like how all the media attention is on Villa and Chelsea are just floating on by without a manager, and there's no mass panic happening. I Think we all just need to chill out, and let's see what's panning out. The only reason we're getting so much media attention is because there's some guy from guy sitting on here/other blogs and watching reactions and continue to make stories of it. If every Villa fan just shrugged there shoulders to every link to a manager, there would be a hell of a lot less panic and confusion, we'd just be like Chelsea. Quiet and assessing our options. |
Analyse This
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... i just think that with all things considered, Aston Villa Football Club needs it's fans more than ever at the moment. |
holtendergissa
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... Just hope and pray the special ones coming really. That would be a bloody shock then wouldn't it |
Rocco
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... What happens as Vijay has stated we get Big Eck and then Mr Burns and Smithers go and deliver us Defoe, Sturridge, Charlie Adams, and big Samba. i dont want him at all, but i wanted OLeary and ONeil and what did they do, whoever gets the job will have money, forget all the bulls*** the media are going on that we havent got money cause we bloody well have, i am not thier biggest fans but we have to trust them |
walls10
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... said if i didnt like the manager would take it back still going to buy it but im not on here pissing my pants about what might happen so you get down there and renew thats if you have ever been down |
vijayd
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... the reason the chelsea fans are relaxed is cos they know that they will get a top manager whatever happens, we know we'll get some s**t!! |
mart_the_monkey
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... charlie adam coming to villa,come on lets get behind him imagine if he does well it will kill those bluenoses |
Rocco
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... On a lighter note i nearly ran over Doug Ellis this morning ! silly old goat walked across the Lichfield Rd in Four Oakes without looking, 10 years ago i wouldnt have stopped, shame that turd Faulkener wasnt with him !!!! |
Nike
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... Mcleish gets hired = Mass protest's and Anger in the ground every match Want to Avoid that Randy ? Don't hire the clown How some of you can be so calm in appointing this clown amazes me Have you not watched Rangers and Birmingham matches ? Well if you haven't all i will say is Defensive Anti Football you wanna pay to watch that style of football carry on cause i surely won't be The Arm Chair is coming out |
r0bb0
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... I don't know much about betting....but if you'd placed a bet against every possible future villa manager could you have made money out of it? |
Chrisodon
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...vijayd said: But we've always known this haven't we, or was that just me ?. I've known for years we'll never have a Alex Ferguson, Wenger, Hiddink, They're top tier. We shop in the 2nd to 3rd tiers, So we're always going to be hitting holes in the road with managers. Martin O'Neill has been our highest rated manager in years. Everyone we look at will be a step below unless we were looking at Ancelotti, Mourhino, Guardiola etc. So we get Alex McLeish, He's left our Arch rivals for us, doesn't that strike a moral victory for some Villa fans ?. that he's left them for us. It does for me. Now he's not my favourite but the guy does like to win things, He took a s**t team to the final and won, More than moyes or any other's linked with our job has managed. (I'm discounting the ancelotti and benitez links). Just un-fortunetly he had poor team as his first job in england. And that blinds our opinion of him. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... I think it'll be Hughes and I'm seriously worried that we'll lose the one thing that is really positive about the club at the moment, the work that Sid and kevin Mac are doing with our younger players. This is a major concern and shouldn't be allowed to be lost amid today's events at St Andrews. Do we really want Hughes and threaten our youth development. This is the one area where we can still compete with the so called big four/five. |
TrueVillan
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... how can mark hughes be out the running for leaving, when it was written in his contract he could now McLeish does the real dirty on the scum but he can be considered! it makes no sense! McLeish would undo the work Houllier started, this would again put us in a transitional season, but this time the goal would be boring, defensive football! I am open to all this being media hyped, but there is fact in the martinez story, and def some truth in this, because no one is denying it Martinez and McLeish, the two best candidates, barely break the 50% win rate combined, and that is no joke! |
rocky
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...vijayd said:i`d rather we took a chance on somebody different like Poyet,it`d be more exciting than Big Feck or Pube Head Hughes |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Neither do I believe that paying £7mill compo for Moyes would be the brightest move. Is his record really any better than other potential candidates out there? Has he won anything or come even close? |
Shaw82
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... In mon we trust! He left us 5 days before a season and houllier took the blame for most of it, Mcleish wouldn't be my 1st choice but if he wanted it that is more than o'neill did! Hate mon and id be more pissed off if he came back! Can't believe the love for mon when he upped and left then took us to tribunal! Go and support wherever he goes next and let him waste loads of their money too! And we are moaning about a bloke who might want to come and people are loving a bloke who left us without a care and took our money with him! f**k mon |
Robbie
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... Right, I'm going away...I've got a festival to go to. When I get back Randy, I expect a manager. And it BETTER NOT be McLeish! |
villajules
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... Sky & BBC reporting that villa have admitted approaching the Scum to speak to Mcleash this afternoon and the Scum want £5.2mil in compensation so we can have him! I'd chip in a tenner to send him back to Glasgow... |
pprid
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... last season was pretty naff, we not won much for a while i do love the transfer window its much more fun |
Fatkevs
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... Exclusive Randy is going to give every person that buys a season ticket a free historic badge His marketing team have assured him this will make up for the ones that do not renew after the appointment of the yoyo mmanager & the sale of Downing Marc & Bent |
TrueVillan
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...comme on RL is that stupid to hire Mcleish!!! He hired a manager who had not managed in years and who had a heart condition, and who had 2-3 years left in management at most, if he had stayed well.................stupid enough?! |
Shaw82
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... No trust in mon!!! He has gone with a fat pay out! Long ball p***k without a plan b, wish NRC had put the boot in on him!!!! |
cuddy_sotc
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... I am one of the unlucky fans who have already renewed their season ticket...... b*****ks |
Scrumpy
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... Why don't some of you numbnut morons who believe anything that some lazy journalist, some business-generating bookie, or traffic-driven web monkey (no offence to you Damian as this site has been quite good at not being sensationalist) go take a look at the only official source for AVFC information and news... i.e. the official OS. On the offical OS, the only, I repeat the ONLY, I'll repeat once more for you to get it into your hysteric little heads, THE ONLY facts we know are: 1st June: Houllier and AVFC part by mutual consent. 9th June: Paul Faulkner says that when process has reached an appropriate stage will news be released, but until then they continue with a thorough process. Note no mention of Hughes, Ancellotti or anyone else. 10th June: request to speak to Martinez (one of many candidates) was rejected. On 12th June an interview allegedly from General Krulak also appeared on Vital Villa. Now excuse me but this isn't an official channel of communication, so has to be taken with a pinch of salt, but even this only says the following: a)not going to ever conduct business in the media b) picking a Manager is a very complicated and very deliberative, and then lists a few steps in thaqt process. c) we will NOT conduct business in the media. d) We will NOT react to nonsense printed in the media. e) We must NOT pick a Manager based upon who gets the most votes from the Fans...that is not the way to run a Club or a business. f) the media is simply trying to sell papers. Those are the ONLY official facts that we know about anything relating to the search for a new manager! Now, if you are a bit dim and slow, read this a few times until you understand, or get an educated adult to help you with any long words. Only a handful of people really know what is going on, and they aren't writing articles in newspapers, they are not blogging on the internet, they are not posting in forums, they are not compiling lists of candidates for bookies, or broadcasting on trash radio, or creating spoof twitter accounts or telling their best mate/wife/relative who claims to be an ITK etc, so nothing you read or hear has ANY basis in any fact or reality other than those FACTS stated above. ps: I am not just referring to the red top papers, the Guardian, Independent and Telegraph have in the last few days all publish complete and utter tripe, listing reams of supposed facts in relation to the process, none of which are based on any single offical fact.... We may be in favour and defend our right to a free press but at present we defend the right to a free but sh*t press. |
Bahamavillan
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... I am stunned. Direct quotes from Pannu that Aston villa have contacted Birmingham FC to take Mcleish. We go for a manager that relegated his team, and to top it all off it's from the club we all despise. I'm starting Yo panic... |
Villa4Life11
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... After looking at McLeish's wikipedia page and everything he's done I don't think he's the worst possible choice but I could probably name at least 5 guys I'd rather have.....Hughes, Moyes, and Poyes especially. It'll be tough, but if he's appointed I'll support him. And he'll have a really short leash because the fans will be quick to turn on him so if it is McLeish he will have to succeed or he'll be gone quicker than this manager search has taken. UTV and everyone calm down lol |
Nike
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... Robert Mugabe has resigned as president of Zimbabwe and is now 5/2 to be the next manager of Aston Villa. |
Bahamavillan
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... Direct quote from Pannu, BFC chairman. Daily Mail. Pannu said: 'I just got an email from Aston Villa. As expected their legal department said, "Now that Alex McLeish is a free agent, having resigned, we are free to speak to him". 'This confirms all suspicions. The second-year compensation starts on July 1 and the urgency of this email coming from Aston Villa shows they can't even wait 15 days. 'So this is the urgency of the matter. I think it shows the whole world what this is all about. They can't wait, wouldn't wait. 'But I can put one and one together now. He thinks he can walk away because the £5.4m compensation is too much for Villa and he cannot let this opportunity pass. 'He is not willing to fork out £5.4m himself, even though if he goes to Villa he is likely to be on £2m a year. 'I will be getting an injunction preventing Villa from hiring him. Either Villa pick up his tab or I will be reporting it now to the Premier League. 'Alex McLeish goes on a trip to Corsica and Randy Lerner has got a jet, how do I - unless I've got a satellite device - know that they have not met? Wow. |
mon 4-5-1
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... The Droyd said: First of all, I will support whoever the club appoint. My season ticket is secured for next season and I am relaxed about the situation currently. Is there anyone who you think could not do a job for us. First you thought McClaren and now Mclesh. |
Falmouth Villan
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... open letter to Randy Learner....Randy, if you really are a true villa fan, and i believe you are (tattoo n all) then you will know that any talk of AM comming to us is just WRONG! not just for fotball reasons but for massive cultural reasons, it just would not work...you would be setting the club up to fail and none of us want that! Please calm everyone down and release the following on the club website....(copy and paste if you like) "We at Aston Villa F.C. would like to state that we are in no way inviting a application for the vacant managers role from Alex Mcleish" then we can all settle down and wait for the 1st July...thanks mate! U.T.V. |
Sasa
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... The next manager we get will struggle, it's all about the length of time we support them. Remember MON got zero grief in his 1st season, great start then 20 games of rubbish before Ash started to play and then a strong finish to the season. The following types of managers and the kind of backing I'd expect Martinez/Poyes - we'd accept a 5-10 year stint from these guys, and back them even though there would be 4-5 seasons of mid-table in those 10 years but we'd appreciate the legacy they want to build. Hughes - would now get full 100% support given the scaremongering of McLeish to Villa and Ancelotti not interested. Could do a Moyes for us, nothing spectacular but very respectable. Rikaard/Klinsmann - we'd be patient and fully support their philosophy, however after 2.5 seasons these guys would realise Villa is a hard nut to crack and flee. McLeish - if the fixture list is kind, 2 bad results and he's finished, no chance of recovery. Hence the appointment would put him under insane pressure. I'd prefer the 5-10 year stint guy, who wants to change the footballing ethos at Villa and may be try and change some of the fans' perception that football is not all about winning at all costs. |
cypriotvilla
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... Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi has just resigned as Lbyian President,and has applied for the vacant position of Aston Villa,he is now 2/5 with the bookies. |
pprid
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... all i ask for is to not let thease posts get so big, cant we split them into part 1 and 2 and 3, its ok while on comp but a pain on my mobile |
Bahamavillan
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... Also, how can we not be slightly concerned by the Pannu press release. That really concerned me as it's a direct quote from Pannu. If it turns out false, he loses all credibility. |
cypriotvilla
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... How about,Villa enquiring if Mcleish is available to add to the shortlist.He may decide after working with the scum,with Pannu critizising Mcleish,maybe he had enough.Do you think after working with that s**t,he would walk into Villa and possibly a worse scenario,hated before he starts.I PERSONNALLY think that he,himself will not come. |
get IN
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...am not racist but i am concerned about our club being in the hands of an american Yeah good example....a team that won the league and was in the champions league final. |
JR27
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... If that quote from Mr Pannu is correct he is a class 1 knuckle dragger trying to get a few quid for their failing club. AM left the scum for reasons unknown and I don't think he did it to join AVFC. Tapping up is not RL's style. Things are not right down the sty and with a bit of luck and their normal lack of ability they will end up in the conference. How many noses have told you that they are renewing their season tickets - not many. Keep the faith. UTV SOTC. |
robm
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... Who the hell is going to want the job of Manager of Aston Villa FC? If any potential manager reads this blog it will put him straight off, we collectively have assured this job has now become a poison challice, in life you get what you deserve and that is exectly what we are going to get, a week or so ago we wanted Ancelotti now some would be happy with Gus Poyet, we didn't want McLaren but we did want Martinez, Chelsea fans dont have this problem because they let the owners make the decision. We blame the press for reporting facts then spit bile at anyone linked we dont want. As I said we will end up with who we deserve. |
eldersosh
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... Chelsea don't have this problem as they are being linked with top class managers, and do you really think prospective managers will be reading this blog. |
fox-in-the-box
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... robm - believe me if Mclaren and Mcleish were being touted for the Chelsea job they would be exactly the same!! Stop believing everything you see and read, you'll find your a lot more relaxed and a lot less dramatic! |
robm
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... I think that is exactly what potential managers will do use all of the technology available in order to guage fan's opinion, I think Martinez mentioned something about it. Managers wont just accept the bullsh*t fed to them by a chairman or owner you can bet your life their agents at least will be doing their homework. I accept Chelsea fans know the quality of manager they are likely to get but even so they must have their preferences. |
robm
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... I think we are seriously deluded if we think there is no substance to most of the stories we are hearing. Where are the denials? if the press/media come out with anything that is not accurate these stories are normally quickly denied I have not heard that once in our case so draw your own conclusions. Oh and by the way Randy must have read this blog or one similar which is why McClaren was not appointed, so if owners do managers will. |
Pinti
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... If the club come out any deny substance in a rumour then they have to deny substance in all rumours and the press will then have an even bigger field day when the club don't deny any future rumour. Therefore the club will ignore all the speculation until the deal is done |
eldersosh
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... robm: fair point there agents probably will do some research. I understand not worrying about all the speculation, but unfortunately it is looking like Lerner is interested in McLeish |
Marty
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... Why all the McLeish hate? He is clearly a Villa fan. He is always chasing after our fringe players, given us plenty of points over the past few seasons and got Birmingham relegated twice. Take last season for example, blues werent doing too bad and managed to win a cup, but his beloved villa werent doing so well so he knuckled down and got them relegated just so we had something to cheer about |
John Salter
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... I'm still struggling to get my head round why Villa would want to approach McLeish in the first place. He's hardly the most promising manager in football and actually got Birmingham relegated. The fact that he had problems with their board is irrelevant apart from the fact that he should have had the bottle to leave when all that was happening. Mr Lerner and the Villa board have stirred up a hornets nest by being linked to a manager that has done exactly the same as Mark Hughes, only Hughes left a relatively successful football club and left them in good order for the next campaign. Worse than that it's someone associated with BCFC. Personally I couldn't give rats backside about the Blue noses, however, has Randy Lerner only just discovered that the brainless amongst supporters will have a field day on this and now Brum want compensation 4 or 5 million, it's a joke. Add that sum to the figure given to Gerrard Houllier and you have to wonder what is going on at Villa Park. Even the Turnip, Graham Taylor is being critical of how Villa are going about trying to find a new manager. Say what you like about the old tap root but he's got this one right. So what is it that's suddenly transferred Villa into a club, who were Champions League contenders into a manager less team, whose best players keep leaving and who avoided relegation by a few points? The situation concerning the departure of MON has never been explained. What you can almost guarantee is that Villa paid him a few million to keep quiet, why else haven't the club released a statement otherwise and why is he now happy to return to football? Whatever the reason for his departure, others are probably looking at possible reasons for why he left and are unsure whether they want to work with Randy Lerner. We all know MON had his faults but how good would it be to have them again as opposed to the turmoil that Villa now find themselves in? The longer this situation goes on, the more likely some fans won't be putting their cash into the club. We could say 'don't believe what you read in the press' but Houlliers health problem wasn't a secret so it was always likely to reoccur. Randy Lerner and Steve Faulkner having taken on a man with serious health issues should have had contingency plans if he got ill again and they clearly didn't. Even if you accept that, they should have looked at replacing him as soon as he became ill again and they obviously didn't and now they have to appoint a manager as soon as possible and try and save the good name of AVFC and they do we're treading water. Approaching the likes of McLeish when you have tried to take the moral high ground regarding Mark Hughes just doesn't make sense. A rudderless ship springs to mind! |
Adam69
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... It's got to the stage now I just don't know who to believe. If Villa did approach McLeish that would destroy all the hype the board have been spouting about getting the right man, not because of where he's come from but for footballing reasons, McLeish has a very poor record in the PL,and plays dire football, last season stats speak for themselves. Or is this another smoke screen? But with noody at the Villa refuting that claim who are we to believe? |
darrenvilla26
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... Helpful info::::for those of you who are on phone and want to avoid scrolling through pages and pages of comments to get to the bottom...from the home page just click on the add comment link on the current post and it takes you directly to the bottom of the post, thus taking you to the most recent entry. |
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... Smokescreen Its going to be Hughes and always has been. Randy is just responding to the accusation that we tapped up McLeish. He resigned because he was undermined by Pannu and Yeung. nothing to do with us. We just have to wait, just as Randy and Paul Faulkner are. |
Fatkevs
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... Reading whaT the general has said it looks like he is our no1 choice All you Randyites must be questioning yourselves now When he kicked us out of our seats saying we are only customers i knew he did not care about the fans I can see a lot of people watching on Villa Streams next year Hoping Randy looses £ms & we get our club back |
Fatkevs
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...Who the hell is going to want the job of Manager of Aston Villa FC? If any potential manager reads this blog i Lets all hope yoyo reads this page then |
The Droyd
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...Is there anyone who you think could not do a job for us. First you thought McClaren and now Mclesh. Yes. Houllier. I think it is possible that McClaren and McLeish could do a good job at Villa. That doesn't mean that I have endorsed them. I actually stated that I DON'T want them. |
Fatkevs
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...Richard, you know I am not going to tell you anything. I will say that the uproar over McLeish is absolutely uncalled for….he certainly has proved he can manage in the big leagues…just imagine what he could do if he was with an owner who supported him.” hope this is not trolling But has to be seen |
mario
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... I see on SSN that brum are considering an injunction against AV signing Mcleish. If its the financial cost they are worrying about I'm sure we Villa fans would quite happily help. |
Fatkevs
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... The only thing that can save Randys useless arse is the £5m compensation the scum are demanding. His poor directorship has already cost him £ms forgeting the transfers he has sanctioned |
BIll
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... Trying very hard not to believe all the paper talk. McLeish is the worst possible outcome. Took Rangers to their worst league finish in twenty years in 06. Too much is made of his record as Scotland coach. He managed them for a short period and his sole achievement was grinding out a one nil win in Paris described by the bbc as 'Scotland threw everything in front of countless French attacks'. We all know his awful record with the noses and he is the architect of some of the worst football played outside hackney marshes. Randy simply cannot be this stupid, surely?! |
richie p
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... ROBT, i agree with you. i always thought it was going to be Hughes and i would be happy with Hughes. i always said i would have him from the start. Just hope it is now even more so because some of the dross weve been linked with it terrible, McClown, Mcleish. |
washwoodvilla
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... i still think this is just a convenient smoke screen,A.M left the sty cause they are ,well, just s**t!.I still believe is it going to be M.H, so stay calm and don't worry....utv and sotc |
urdington
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... Dear Oh Dear Oh Dear! Has anyone stopped to actually think this through? This is not the MO of Aston Villa football club. Lerner & Faulkner contact the club prior to contacting the manager & there was no contact. Now all these foolish Villa fans have bought into this new media frenzy you are the ones turning it into a circus. Faulkner contacted Blues via e-mail enquiring as to the legal status of McCleish leaving AFTER this media storm erupted. Faulkner is probably worried about the knock on effect this could have if Villas true target is to be replaced with McCleish. PLEASE! Place brain into gear before typing on keyboard!!! |
robm
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... Do we really think owners (ours or anyone elses) go in for smoke screens? it aint rocket science they target someone find out if he wants to come if he is able to come, if not move onto the next one we should stop trying to assume the owners of Villa are any different, they have no plan or strategy its a list, he's first then him then him, forget it being scientific they aint that clever. |
robm
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... And do we really think Mark Hughes will be our next manager? think about it by now Villa would have come out and said "Mark Hughes will be joining Aston Villa on 1st July" to stop the other cr*p thats going on, this could have been done legally as Mark Hughes is only barred from working not being interviewed under restraint of trade laws Fulham cannot stop him sorting out employment for after 1st July. Cant believe people cant (or wont) understand this. |
ak_27
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...i still think this is just a convenient smoke screen,A.M left the sty cause they are ,well, just s**t!.I still believe is it going to be M.H, so stay calm and don't worry....utv and sotc This is like setting off a bomb just t create a smoke screen. Sorry but this is not a smoke screen. I believe McCleish is being considered. Maybe not the number one option just yet but still an option. And I for one cannot believe the naivety Lerner and Co are operating now. For me it’s all wrong down to the whole football side of McCleish, for many more for his blues connections but for the VAST majority this man is not wanted. This is wrong and Lerner you would seriously want to realise quickly the outcome of appointing McCleish. Either way, even when Lerner appoints our new man, i have to say he has gone down in my estimations the way he and his men have operated in this fiasco of appointing this new manager. |
davidg
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... It's been said ad nauseum that the private way in which Randy Lerner and co try to go about the business of running AVFC irritates the media and leads to a frenzy of speculation. In principle, the way the Board tries to operate is to be commended. The problem is that in practice, it can create the IMPRESSION of uncertainty and indecision in the minds of the wider public, which is bad for the image of the club. Take as just one example comments made by Holden in Sunday's "Express", when he contrasted Fulham's speed in appointing Jol with (quote)"the pathetic dithering" of Randy. The longer the current situaion continues, the more of this there will be, and the more possible damage to our credibility in terms of selling season tickets, attendances, keeping our best players and attracting good new ones etc. It's become a vicious circle; as Villains we can try to ignore it, but I think things have reached a point where through no real fault of Randy or anyone else at Villa, the image of the club has been tarnished. I fear that now, the only way for the Board to break out and reverse the awful PR is to pull a magic rabbit out of the hat with regards to the appointment of our new manager, because McCleish sure as hell wouldn't do the trick. I'm glad I'm not in Randy Lerner's shoes, and I think he deserves our support and patience. Fingers crossed! |
ianm
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... The only good thing to come out of this is the fact that it looks highly likely Peter Pann is about to have a heart attack! |
The Black Pearl
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... Damian Your very quiet on this whole McLeish rumour/scandal. What do you think of him as the possible new manager? |
Adam69
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... Over 10,300 signatures of protest on Facebook and planned protests at VP, what is going on? The fact that we are even considering managers of this calibre is very depressing, and points to a total lack of footballing knowledge, ambition and drive. RL's PR policy whilst admirable is having an adverse effect, which the media have tried to stir up and been succesfull in doing so. I just don't know what to think anymore, it feels like Billy Smarts Circus at the moment with the Chief Clown RL in charge. Planning and Preparation Prevent Piss Poor Performance, the 6P's, I cannot see that the board have any of the requisite skills. Please prove me wrong! |
ak_27
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...It's been said ad nauseum that the private way in which Randy Lerner and co try to go about the business of running AVFC irritates the media and leads to a frenzy of speculation. In principle, the way the Board tries to operate is to be commended. The problem is that in practice, it can create the IMPRESSION of uncertainty and indecision in the minds of the wider public, which is bad for the image of the club. Take as just one example comments made by Holden in Sunday's "Express", when he contrasted Fulham's speed in appointing Jol with (quote)"the pathetic dithering" of Randy. The longer the current situaion continues, the more of this there will be, and the more possible damage to our credibility in terms of selling season tickets, attendances, keeping our best players and attracting good new ones etc. It's become a vicious circle; as Villains we can try to ignore it, but I think things have reached a point where through no real fault of Randy or anyone else at Villa, the image of the club has been tarnished. I fear that now, the only way for the Board to break out and reverse the awful PR is to pull a magic rabbit out of the hat with regards to the appointment of our new manager, because McCleish sure as hell wouldn't do the trick. I'm glad I'm not in Randy Lerner's shoes, and I think he deserves our support and patience. Fingers crossed! davidg i find it hard to critcise Lerner but you know what at this stage it's not about appernces etc its about results. He has had 3 months nearly to get this next man in place. The moment GH had his last scare we knew he wasn't coming back so IMO this is just not good enough. This club was a mess last season due to uncertainty and a lack of stability caused by MON leaving us in the s**t at the last second so IMO it was vital we got the new man in ASAP to get this club back on a stable footing early. Lerner has failed to do this IMO and i for the life of me just can't understand why he hadn't sounded out who wanted the damn job well before the last game of the season. And it appears to me that they hadn't done this. |
Mowgs
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... robm It's been about selling forms of media. Sky sources understand that Rafa Benitez is set to become the next Villa manager... 1 hour later Exclusive! Sky sources understand Rafa Benitez is no longer in the frame for the Villa job... |
Adam69
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... Am I right they have extended the season ticket renewal dates to the 30th June? If so I wonder why? |
Mowgs
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... Adam69 Noticed that as well. I'll be renewing either way, but you've got to think take up has been low if they're offering the extension. |
Christian1983
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... Damian, what's your take on things? I've noticed you haven't made a single comment since June 12th. |
robm
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... If you really wanted to you could mobilize 10000 against any appointment, this is all about his Blues connections, how many of those saying he should not be Villa manager would change their minds if we win our first 3 games? We all believe what we want to believe normally if it suits our own views take a step backwards and look at it logically instead of through claret and blue glasses. F***le us? wherever do they get that idea from? |
keithj
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... "the speed with which Fulham appointed Jol" If we had wanted Jol it would have been quicker. Why no mention of the pathetic dithering of Chelsea. I hope all you fans are as quick to give all these journalists dogs abuse when Mr Lerner pulls one out of the bag. |
ianm
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... Christian1983 said: Christian1983 ... Damian, what's your take on things? I've noticed you haven't made a single comment since June 12th. He thinks he's RL! |
DSB
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... I don't believe that Mcleish will be our next boss. If the story from the club about wanting to build foundations and change the playing style are true, then this man will not be allowed near our club. Did anyone watch the blues last season. Dire football, no creativity and a goal shy strikeforce, hardly what we need to improve us!!! Mark Hughes will hopefully be coming, we just need this whole mess sorting out as soon as possible and get some signings to bring some positivity to our club. What potential transfer target is going to pick Villa at the minute? If Charlie Adam can go to Liverpool or us, it's obvious where he'll end up, and it's not Villa. |
The Droyd
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... Here's a hypothetical choice for those Martin O'Neill haters. If given a choice would you prefer we took back O'Neill or employed McLeish? |
seanw
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... Has anybody read the generals opinion on the rusty ginger s**t becoming the manager on villa talk!!! Doesnt sound to promising anyway!! http://www.astonvilla.vitalfoo...9027/url] |
Heroes & Villans
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... Its fair to say Mclaish's teams are not the most exciting in the world and plus he has just been relegated, now why is he even considered for the post of manager of villa. It does not matter to me he has been in charge of the scum, its just that he is a rubbish manager. If this is the sort of manager we are looking at then im starting to loose my trust in who runs this club. Its ok to say stop panicking and have faith and the media are scum but the fact is its getting put out there to the world of football that we are becoming a bit of a mess. Now potential managers & players will see this and would prob make them think twice about coming here. We have had enough time to sort this out. |
patrick38
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... I love it how the General thinks us fans dont know nothing, if they install Mcleish then they can pack up and get on there private jet back to america |
rocky
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...this is all about his Blues connectionslets forget about the 2 relegations in 3 years,the lowest goals scored in the league,the utter utter s**t served up on the pitch, the fact that he has been backed in the transfer market and still failed and the most telling thing.....Zigic lol.i hope this is all b****x to tell the truth but now reading what that bloke from the LMA has been saying it does not look good |
ROBT
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... Can't believe some people. I think we should be grateful we have Randy in charge. It could be a lot worse. Who wants Doug back? Not me. Yes i would love the millions that Man City have. We haven't much like a lot of other clubs. We can only make the best of what we have. MON left us with a big problem and i am sure he is loving every minute of this. I have 100% trus in RL. I had 100% mistrust with Doug Ellis. Let's just calm down and wait. |
Deke Dastardly
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... I seem to recall when Houllier was appointed that McLeish was glowing in his remarks about his knowledge and ability, and welcoming him to Birmingham as a friend. This was based upon McLeish having spent time in France as Houllier's guest and looking at what was being done there (Moyes had done the same I believe). Could Houllier be advising and acting as a go between as he's not employed by us anymore? It's interesting that some people claim McCleish didn't have much time when he took them down first time as he had almost as much time as Houllier had with us last season. The celebrated best ever PL finish was also the same 9th we under achieved with last season. Double standards? Yes, they won the LC but we were within a penalty decision of doing the same the year before and the truth is we were the better side against them at St Andrews in the Qtr Final, they fluked a winner or we may well have gone one better. I don't like McLeish's style of football, again no excuses about budgets, Blackpool achieved the same result in the end but went down entertaining. It's that mentality which leads to a cautious approach because wherever you are in the table you see risks not rewards, why the same 11 get picked and why CBs end up at full back. He seems a decent enough bloke but in his 50s he's not going to change his spots now. A final observation is that my lad was mascot at the 5-1 game. With 15 minutes to go k.o. I was in the tunnel area and McCleish was leaning on the wall looking out at the crowd chatting with someone, not in the dressing room with his players. He clearly felt he had done his bit and was leaving the most important, final motivational stuff to his coaches. I found that amazing in the circumstances and was hardly surprised they rolled over. I don't know what to believe at the moment and will support the team come what may but sincerely hope it's not McCleish because I don't rate him as a modern method manager. |
seanw
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... Im not going to blame everything on randy about this situation, but i think he has put a lot of faith in faulkner, who clearly has no footballing brain, i actually think faulkner just wants another ginger at the club so he isnt the only one!! i do think the clubs new policy of keeping quiet about things is refreshing like the bent signing and houllier appointment, but seriously this seems to be dragging on for far to long now, be nice to have somebody in to have a look at the squad before pre season starts, i dont think its panic stations just yet, and i really dont think mcleish will be appointed but surely in the space of 2 weeks some negotiations with managers must have occured, because i really cant see the club hanging on mcleish resigning from the tramps, and then us making a move. |
John Salter
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... ROBT - A lot of us spend vast amounts of money and invest time, effort and emotion into Villa and get a bit disgruntled when we see the club being managed the way it it, so we're entitled to vent our frustrations. If Villa appoint McLeish it's going to cause major problems both on and off the pitch. An infant would have foreseen that so why couldn't they? The Droyd - I'd happily take MON as manager over McLeish as long as he learned from the mistakes he made when he was at Villa but I can't see it happening. |
robm
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... Fatkevs; not a question of supporting Villa or Lerner like it or not the two are linked he owns not runs owns the club, I will support Villa that means who ever the manager is unless or until I feel he has run his course or is out of his depth it might be obvious after 6 games it may take a season or it might never happen but until it does who ever is our manager gets my support because he is our manager. We support our club not just bits or elements of it. Look at United fans and the green and gold until we're sold stuff seems to have fizzled out wouldn't you say? still a league title and a CL final dont leave a lot to complain about its a fan thing. |
jabber62
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... I am passed caring WHO gets it I just want someone who WANTS it and is prepared to eat sleep and s##t Aston Villa 24/7, and get them back where they belong, a top six side capable of winning or having a good cup run and pushing for a top four place...that is realistic and where we were not so long ago. |
Christian1983
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... The more I read that statement from Krulak's 'Facebook' the more I dislike the man. Admittedly, it might be complete fabrication, although I understand his Facebook page has been taken to be legitimate previously. There's a real tinge of patronising the fans within his words and almost a 'like it or lump it you peasants' vibe- akin to Al Fayed telling his fans to 'do one if you don't like the statue'! I fully understand that Villa would query McLeish's position, we'd be naive and foolish not to. We need to be thorough and speak constructively to as many candidates as necessary to get the 'right man', listen to alternative ideas and theories. I don't like the thought of McLeish for one second, but I really hate this condescending spiel from our 'general'. |
Adam69
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... seanw said: ... Has anybody read the generals opinion on the rusty ginger s**t becoming the manager on villa talk!!! Doesnt sound to promising anyway!! http://www.astonvilla.vitalfoo...9027/url] Ive just read that very worrying the General seems to be guided by what other crap people are telling him and believing in the case of McLeish, if SAF rates him that much well have him as your no2 and groom him for your job. I think he is a little ignorant in the fact that he doesn't know how much us fans do know about football! He defends McLeish's record which is hard to defend in my book, claiming not enough time and no support from the board as reasons for his failure. Doesn't mention the terrible football he plays, which has been overlooked, his appalling stats last season re goals scored. Correct me if I,m wrong but surely the way you play the game has an affect on what you achieve. |
krisAVFC
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...The Droyd - I'd happily take MON as manager over McLeish as long as he learned from the mistakes he made when he was at Villa but I can't see it happening. I;d take MON over anyone!! |
robm
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... I think in general we are more anxious to appoint a manager we want than we are someone who wants the job. And if that happens then we are in serious trouble. |
GGGG
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... Christ, I hope all this McLeish talk is media-driven hogwash. If Hughes became undesirable by walking out on Fulham, how is McLeish resigning any different? If he's really in the frame, how on earth can he rate as more desirable than MacLaren or Jol or Curbishley or even Sven? The thought of him in charge is SO depressing - it's plumbing the depths that Doug sank to when he brought in Graham Turner. Scraping the barrel is a phrase that comes to mind |
robm
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... "The way you play the game" is also dictated by the players you have at your disposal. |
Fatkevs
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... One well connected site told us One thing is for 'certain`, the next Villa boss will not be Alex McLeish and now I don't think?) there appears just way too much feeling to make it plausible to start the season with so much anger. It would be horrible. And the talks of protests etc, I know from experience, they are horrible things to be doing, no one wins with that... so common sense I think will prevail. Lets hope he is correct, beccuase we know most fans will just accept this & tell us how great it is to be in the championship with promotion to look forward too next season & how randy will get it .......... |
Christian1983
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..."The way you play the game" is also dictated by the players you have at your disposal. Very true. But the manager is ultimately responsible for the players he has at his disposal- although 'transfer budget' holds all the aces really. Houllier, as much as I supported him, never quite grasped the fact that 'the way you play the game is dictated by the players at your disposal'. He should have been smart enough to realise that we didn't have a single, intelligent, pass and move, technically sound footballer in the squad. It was a MON squad of workers, very suited for one type of football. |
Deke Dastardly
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... We've had years of dull, cautious, football at home, years of it. Take a lead and then sit on it. I want to see exhilerating football (MoN used that word all the time but it was spin) played by players with flair, speed, vision and top class technique. |
GGGG
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... Forgot to say my not wanting us to consider McLeish has nothing to do with his previous club, and everything to do with his managerial record. I'd have absolutely nothing against poaching a decent manager from them, but he's way below what we should be looking at. |
robm
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... I think the way this is panning out us moaning about every name being mentioned means its more likely by the hour that Gary McCallister will get the job. The clowns will end up with Hughton or Zola or Dave Jones and I bet they will get whoever it is by the end of the week. Bet all of those saying you dont believe any of whats said in the media will suddenly change views as it is looking that it will be very difficult to get McLeish without legal intervention. |
ak_27
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... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/spo...ocess.html Hate to say it but this guy is spot on with this article and our current situation. |
Faccundo
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... Hallelujah - Lerneritis sufferers one and all have been cured. I've been shouting Liar Lerner from the rooftops for over 2 years and have been proved right. Damo you accused me of being a troll and saying there was a secret plan. You were clearly WRONG mate He's ruining our great club and made a suicidal, ill concieved and ridiculous appointment of the FROG and purchase of Stephen Ireland more suitable to a passenger in the delorian. Liar Lerner, General PR, Fat Faulkner OUT |
Jimmy
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... Nooooo Alex McLeish!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny how ppl can be so blind, Martin O'Neill was a grand master compared to managers who are in consideration now. He signed Ashley Young made him great player, the James Milner,Gabby flourished under him, Downing was brought in, i mean come on he made one hell of a team never could understand fans who were against him it was beyond me. |
ou812
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... Didnt Damian say he was staying out of this until villa offically said something? Saying that Id like a new post!! If we do get McLeish & dont pay compo the chances of us getting Foster or Dann is Zipp!! |
taglor
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... 955th! ak_27 well spotted, that article is exactly how I feel. No matter what happens the club have acted arrogantly shutting out the fans and indecisively. I just think we have become a mickey mouse team to other people now unless we get a great manager and players which wont happen. We are definitely a selling club with no european competition and a reputation for long ball. Where will all the new fans come from, what is there to like about our team when kids can watch barcelona et al? Apart from kids brought up by Villa parents. |
robm
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... Lets take to the streets against Alex McLeish and then we will get Billy Davies. Joy! |
lew chatterly's lover
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... The last dour, uninspiring Jock we appointed (Billy McNeill) was probably the worst appointment in the club's history, like McLeish he had won meaningless trophies in Scotland and jumped ship without a second thought from a relegation bound team (Man City). If this guy is appointed it will be the most miserable pre season we have ever endured, shocking if he is even being considered. |
londonvillaA1
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... http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/New...62,00.html Quite simply - season ticket sales are down!. We will have a manager imminently - if it is McLeish then I would guess the extension will be in perpetuity.. UTV |
Grima Wormtongue
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... THat Mail article is typical of the London media trying to put the boot in again just to try and make Randy want to pack up and go home. We have not offered anyone the job yet, not Martinez not Mc leish not hughes, not Moyes. It's the ***in hacks thaty are just pissed off because they have not got a story so they are laying the boot in , |
Grima Wormtongue
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... Next thing you know , the hacks will be tapping Randys phone, they have done it before, the scum. |
HT Sweden
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... Hm, seems like Damo want to reach impressive 1000 comments before next article Carry on commenting folks! Dont be lazy |
dazvilla
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... it does seem as if hughes will not be coming to us due to randy being special friends with al fayed at fulham |
IrishVilla
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... I am really annoyed with how things have panned out with this search. It is not the time that it has taken as Chelsea are not rushing into anything either. What is really annoying me is the lack of communication from the club? I feel they have not done enough to include the fans. I understand the process is long and that they have to go through certain things but they could handle the fans bettter. I alos understand that rumours will always come out but they have not even tried to quiten some of the rumours. I don't know if this would be acceptable in other clubs. Im not a dreamer either I understand that we have to appoint a realistic manager but the club has done nothing in my opinion to in inform the fans. |
villaninkent
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... Friedel - Warnock - Dunne - Collins - Cuellar - Young - Milner - Downing - Petrov - Carew - Agbonlahor. In this time of worry and uncertainty... anyone else drastically missing the above sight? |
robm
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... Hughes would be too expensive for Lerner in the same way he wouldn't agree to Rafa's £30m transfer pot, Hughes's back room staff still work for Fulham they haven't gone yet so it would be compensation for them plus the cost of employing them all or the cost of getting rid of Sid, Gmac and KMac. This will be a shoestring appointment, hence McClaren, Martinez (cheep to get from Wigan) Rafa and now McLeish, its all pretty obvious who needs a statement? |
ou812
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... A lot more than you it seems. Go back to school you immature moron! In MON we trust - DOH!!!! Trust what exactly? To spend loads of money on s**t players & on high wages? Or to walk out on the club with 5 days before the start of the season? In MON we trust & hope he stays the fcuk away from villa park!! |
rocky
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...robm said:you know this how ? |
villaninkent
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... ou812 Are you referring to me? If so, it sounds like you're the one who needs to be back in school as you fail to express yourself eloquently. I made no reference to MON in my post. What I was referring to was a teamsheet that as robm states was capable of reaching the top 6 - a unified team full of stars... and it was only a couple of years ago... MON is irrelevant. If you think that period of time was worse than what we're going through now then you're even more stupid than your use of language implies. |
robm
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... rocky: first Jol's press conference said the back room staff were still there, then we know everywhere Hughes has been his staff have gone with him, I think I am right in saying that we had an official "Rafa Benitez wont be Aston Villa's next manager" last week. The only question I have regarding Hughes (who is now second favourite in the betting for the Chelsea job) is has he said he will come if he fails to get the Chelsea job? If so hope he stays away as well. |
ILoveMartinONeill
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... Your the one of the reasons why managers dont want to come to Villa. Hard to please. Yes MON was out of order leaving so soon b4 start of season and yes he spent a lot of money on s**t/average players but doesnt the best of managers do that too, nobodys perfect! But what MON did do, was get quality in, Milner and Young in for starters. He also took us to consecutive top 6 finishes and two wembley appearances. If the next manager that comes in emulated what MON did, would u be happy? probably not and thats ultimately why potential candidates for the job choose to stay well clear! |
ordinaryjoe
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... Is this 1000? Cant see why lots of posts compare our situation with Chelski: they are just waiting for Hiddink aren't they? Also, it seems well known in their case that the owner does the transfers, and the manager is really just a team coach, so not much time lost. And anpother thing, they can just spend squillions on a complete new team anytime they like. All seems quite different to us, no comparison. |
robm
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... I defy anyone not to admit that if any and I mean any manager could gaurentee a top six finish next season and for the foreseeable seasons that they would not be welcome at Villa Park regardless of playing style or money spent, lets get real under MON Villa Park was always sold out we are resticted to Man U and Liverpool for sell outs now, winning is everything in football how doesn't matter. |
ou812
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... villaninkent I am not referring to you. If you acually read some of the other posts you would know who I am referring to. I was also unware we had to express ourselves in an eloquent manner. Apologies if I offended you with my use of language. I shall endevour to be more articulate & be more loquacious in future. |
Bloggert
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... Yeah Oniel made some dodgey signings but which manager hasnt really? On the other hand tho he did make some good ones |
villaninkent
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... My bad ou812. Genuine apologies for jumping to conclusions. You can talk how you want when you're not disagreeing with my post |
robm
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... You can never be sure a player will perform for your club in the same way he did for his previous club, that works for managers as well that works in reverse too by the way! |
Grima Wormtongue
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... In the press today, lots of good players that we should be looking at are getting their moves sorted out, we will be left with the dregs and a squad that has been cherrypicked by the others in the prem, although i note no one wants to go to Sunderland ! , never been there but just the name make me put my thermals on . |
ryan in leeds
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... so, it is pretty clear were a bit of a laughing stock at the moment, and we have given the media outlets plenty of amunision, but the way i see villa fans nearly 1000 comments on this blog, and over 10,000 petitioning on a facebook page, shows what good support we have. shame we dont support like this at villa park sometimes |
robm
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... Grima Wormtongue: in the press? we dont believe whats in the press aparently its all rubbish! Funny how we quote the press when it suits. |
VivVilla
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... O'Neill left because he had no alternative He knew what would happen if he was not supported We are a laughing stock Bloggers on here knew better than him Rotate,use the young players,train differently,go 451 All these have now been tried - and they did not work We had it all and we lost it all Now for the Wilderness Years |
pitbull inferno
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... My first time looking at Twitter. Is that place full of nutbags or what? This avfcmysteryman's gotta be a scam. |
tonybartonscoutedthem
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... Johnsalter, Do they need someone to open doors for people in the executive suites then! |
VivVilla
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... Rocky Watch what happens when O'Neill takes over another team Watch what happens to Villa when we do ,eventually , get someone else! |
RayK
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... 1st ? Joking aside, WTF is General Krulak doing defending McLeish if he wasn't being considered as an option. |
rocky
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...VivVilla said:sorry just found it amusing to read that `we had it all and lost it all` line attributed to O Neil,thats the kind of thing chelsea fans would say if the Russians f**ked off and they were in freefall with Barry Fry in charge. |
robm
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... LMA backing McLeish and therefore Villa when you resign you resign end of. If club sacks you they sack you so sadly this wont stick. Dont think Perry Mason will be required for this one.I think this is about the clowns appointing a manager before us for some childish points scoring reason. |
Bloggert
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... The Generals post just sounds like a plead to give him a chance. Why come out with all that if it werent true |
Scrumpy
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... Very amusing little spat between Frem and Chiefy going on on twitter, all handbags at five paces.... Ironic how Frem is also having a pop at any one posting speculation I wonder what colour the sky is in his little universe. Definitely a legend in his own lunchtime, and proof that care in the community as an NHS policy isnt working. BTW: I've found this great site for official information and news on AVFC, and even better their sources are 100% genuine with loads of speculation that has always been proven correct, and loads of contributions from ITKs that have never been wrong. Why not have a look for yourselves at http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsIndex. |
The Droyd
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... Scrumpy - That's not the Frem that got banned on here. It's someone with a sense of humour. Don't know what his user name on this blog is but he must be registered to be so aware of frem. Frem is constantly on Aston Villa Life now. He is about to have a nervous breakdown I believe. |
HOLYCOW!!
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... Maybe just maybe the reason Chelsea havn't signed anyone is because we are fighting over the same target. Aussie Gus has been known to take on challenges. |
Hadders7
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... Honestly guy's, is there any bloody manager out there worth their saly who would ever want the Villa job, it's just a poisoned chalice...hiding to nothing from day one! Now I certainly don't want McLeish that's for sure, but everyone who has been mentioned or linked as quickly taken another job, politely said 'no' or buggered off on a very long, uncontactable holiday...and who can blame them! |
Faccundo
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... Lernerites are essentially termites eating at the fabric of the club. They supported the no ambition sales of Barry Milner Young and soon Downing. Many also supported the Lerner purchase of muppet Ireland, which MON left in protest at. They claimed the team would improve then retracted their statements when the truth became evident. Yesterdays Frog was a disaster from the outset who spat on the club with Lerners backing. His comments at Liverpool about enjoying a 3-0 loss and touching the Anfield badge made us a laughing stock then, diminished us in everybody's eyes and the consequences are playing out now with lowly Wigan trumping us, and Ancellotti not even deigning to consider us. He should never have been appointed, and alternatively sacked before Christmas during our horror winter run. The white flag at ManC in the Cup was salt in the wounds. Lernerites backed this plague. Amazingly some claimed the football was improving, and spat that the child who saw the emporer had no clothes was stupid. Here is your harvest. Where is the £30m signing? Where is the European football promised? Why was MON sacked? What undertakings did Liar Lerner breach? Why are there no candidates scouted when we've known since February that the Frog was on the way out? When did supporters become "fans" booted from their seats? Liar Lerner OUT |
robm
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... Faccundo: to add insult to injury it appears it could well be GH who has recomended McLeish to the owner does he believe he is the best man for the job or is this Gerries revenge? |
[dg]
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... So this Peter Pannu cat is obviously livid. I can only imagine what Tinkerbellu would say if asked... |
Nike
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... All this time waiting 5.6mil compo and the best Randy Lerner and Faulkner can come up with is Alex Mcleish Just proves you pair of clowns know sweet nothing about the game of football Mcleish moto in the game defend defend and more defending he still has not learnt that the goals at the other end of the pitch are there to be attacked Id rather pay to go and watch a Sunday League team than watch one of Mcleish's teams |
get IN
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... Villa havent even confirmed they have been talking to Mcleish and everyone is going CRAZY. SETTLE DOWN. Some of you are so embrassing its unbelievable |
Adam69
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... Heroes & Villans said: ... Its going to be Hughes, its the only logical thing i can think of. You assume are board can think logically!!!! |
Nike
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... Getin Come of it strong sources confirm we have contacted them Mclesih is in Corsica and all of sudden Randy's Plane lands there Plus we was fast enough to rule out Hughes yet we haven't done that with Mcleish It's obvious |
Adam69
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... Well reports on LFC websites stating that Downing is desperate to leave, I know it's a pinch of salt time but I can't blame him. What a complete shambles this situation is, Ive listned to the PR drivel spouted by the Gen, who in my opinion is condescending and ignorant. That statement was probably prepared for him by one of his footballing advisors who has our clubs best interest at heart! So we have no manager, no keeper,short on squad members, confusion, no direction, I'd say a great receipie for a successfull start to the season. I don't want to be negative all the time but until I see something positive I can't! |
lanceley12
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... "SETTLE DOWN. Some of you are so embrassing its unbelievable" LOL! Very true, people need to chill, very frustrating but lets have hope! UTV |
word
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... getIN- too right they're going crazy. THIS CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN. if we want to set the club this far backwards we should play the inverse Xmas tree formation, wear hobnailed boots and smoke at half time.... at least our team would have some character. |
Fatkevs
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... Ive just renewed my tickets before we sign Yo Yo there is no way i could of renewed with him being installed I hate giving Randy Money, but at 51 i am not going to stop supporting now |
Elvis at Left Back
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... This blog makes hilarious reading, it's like kids in a playground, IF he does this then I'll do that (McLeish vs Season tickets) so many times we've waited for our board & manager to do things, signing players, managers etc. yet we forget that it's just not that simple. Chelski haven't got a manager yet. how many fans there are calling for the owners head??? This is all media speculation because Villa don't ply their trade in the press. I for one will wait to see who we appoint, who we sell, who we buy BEFORE I decide whether it's a good thing. Our patience IS wearing thin, but for the time being and JUST for the time being I'll wait before I slag the club off, they ain't no worse than the Ellis days are they?? |
Banneruk
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... Its going to be Hughes, its the only logical thing i can think of. You assume are board can think logically!!!! This is soooooo right. This is why there is no rush, can sign Hughes on the 1st July. |
MEV
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...Nike Evidence for these or more media/twitter bulls**t you've taken as fact? Didn't Pannu actually say ours was a response (e-mail from our legal team) to his e-mails to us? |
ou812
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... I see de Hammer is available on a free from WH. We should sign him up!Ah wait....no manager... |
Fatkevs
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... One thing is clear we are now firmly in the third tier in the premiership (Not top 4 or top 6) We should be calling for 1 mans head & that is Randy, it has to be the end of all the Fools Stating in Randy i Trust he is taking us nowhere we do not even have the dream of a newly promoted team We have to demand a board working for Villa every week & put PF back into HR where he belongs |
robm
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... Dont trust Randy but we cant "get rid" of him he owns the club who would want to buy it as it is? If we want him to sell it, the best thing we can do is not give the guy any grief or abuse afterall its one thing wanting to sell its another finding a buyer and given fans reactions to potential managers names who the hell would buy it? Sorry to say but I fear we are stuck with him cant get rid of an owner unless you have the money to buy it. |
ianm
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... FA-registered lawyer Katie Simmonds, who is a solicitor with FrontRow Legal in Leeds, said: "If Alex McLeish has a notice period of two to three months, as most contracts do, then Birmingham could place him on gardening leave for that time. What that would basically do is mean McLeish would have to stay away from working during that time, so long as it is a reasonable notice period." A glimmer of hope |
ianm
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... robm said: ... "He can argue restraint of trade it wins all the time." I'm TRYING to be positive here and you have to go and spoil it! |
runtingz
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... Shocking turn of events at the villa I have beem a fan of Randy Lerner since he came in and backed a good manager who rebuilt the sauad at some expence Why McLIESH AND WHY EVEN LOOK AT MCLAREN THESE ARE THE TWO WORSE MANAGERS FOR VILLA OUT OF ALL THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN LINKED WITH |
robm
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... Read the Gaurdian online posted a few mins ago a quote from The General basically saying that the fans are being unreasonable saying we as fans are assuming we know best and that it doesn't seem right, these are quotes by the way its worth a read, frightening, but worth a read. |
The Droyd
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... It's down to what the contract states. 2-3 months isn't an unreasonable notice period. What that solicitor says rings true to me. I have successfully sued someone in the past for breaching their contract and got nearly £100K out of them. I would imagine that the big question is what happens if the B-Lose appoint a replacement? Does that release McLeish from the restrictions in his contract? |
runtingz
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... ''The General basically saying that the fans are being unreasonable saying we as fans are assuming we know best'' clearly the fans know a bit more about footy than the general as we live and breath it. the links to mclaren proves there is no viszion in terms of finding the right man to allow us to progress and the link to mcliesh who isnt the worst manager shows the the gereral doent really understand aston villa |
robm
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... The Droyd; think you will find once the clowns have appointed a new manager in the eyes of the law they accept he is gone. This is why we should not expect Mark Hughes, Fulham have their replacement if he was come he would have come. |
ou812
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... Just Wondering, If we were after McLeish straight after Rangers/Scotland would we be going as crazy? 7 trophies in Scotland. We did go nuts (in a good way when MON came here)Im not trying to say im all for this,I am not acually. MON wasnt known for his fantastic football, he was a winner. Now didnt MON win the same cup as McLeish? Granted he never got relegated. but still pretty similar records... Just thinking as I type this.... |
robm
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... I think this is about to be done Pannu statement now seems to invite Villa to negotiate OMG McLeish to get clowns blessing if compensation agreed. |
runtingz
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... robm - the media sure can not be trusted in the speculation and hopefully there guys were never going to get the job but you cant blame villa fans for panicing about such names being favorates to get the job as we all know we would end up on a downward spiral with those guys at a time were the right appointment could really kick us on UTV |
word
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... where's this petition to sign,, i can't find it sorry?? being more positive i think that simon grayson would be a good choice. also psycho might deserve a shot but im not sure that it's likely... we'll see when the fonz starts the next u21 game. |
runtingz
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... ''didnt MON win the same cup as McLeish? Granted he never got relegated. but still pretty similar records...'' the main difference betweem McLeish and MON records is MON came up with liecester and got to europe 3 time out of 4 and won 2 lge cups. McLiesh at brum which is bigger won a cup and got relegated twice...plus MON was in a whisker of winning the euro cup at celtic. no comparision for me |
Villa By Birth
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... Hi Guys Rumours growing for Moyes. It’s been a very quiet day on the Villa front. Well until I saw a message from a user on twitter called ‘@charliee1972′ who sent a tweet to Oliver Holt – sports columnists for the Mirror. Im hearing the moyes has left Everton and signed 2 year deal at Villa? When I asked what he had heard and what he knew I have clients at the club and got a call about it! just was told been offered 3 year deal and he wants to talk! Trying to get it confirmed. Will let you know. In another tweet @charliee1972 states I have clients at club but waiting to get it confirmed as moyes is on holiday in Barbados! Make of it what you will but to me that sounds promise and thanks for charliee1972 once again |
runtingz
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... http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/500735277?-11177 there is the moyes link....much more what the doctor ordered |
Adam69
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... Chelski haven't got a manager yet. how many fans there are calling for the owners head??? Because they are not linked with the dross and s**t we are!!! |
runtingz
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... maybe the press are just trying to hammer home an image that villa lack ambition and wont push the boat out for a top manager ...also practically selling our players for us to man u and liverpoo |
Mac
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... You can't compare the Chelsea and Villa situation. Everyone knows who the Chelsea manager is going to be. If it's true that Villa won't go for Hughes because of some friendship between the owners that really is beyond ludicrous. From 1 July Mark Hughes is a completely free agent and he didn't walkout on a contract - his contract had expired. He appears to want the Villa job. He is clearly the best available candidate. Unless this is some elaborate game of bluff Lerner would appear to be clueless in the ways of appointing a Premier League manager. |
Adam69
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... ''The General basically saying that the fans are being unreasonable saying we as fans are assuming we know best'' I stand by my earlier observations of the Gen he comes across as arrogant,pigheaded and knows nothing about football. Of course we the fans that have lived and breathed the Villa for 30/40 years know more about it than some plank in a suit telling the Gen what to say. On a positive note this blog is rather civilised compared to some of the discussions on other sites!! |
Analyse This
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... whether we sign Jesus Christ as head coach and he brings in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to play at the back, or if Randy Lerner leaves to be replaced by a giant Bronze statue of the Buddha... whatever happens. whoever happens. Aston Villa Football Club has to come first. surely. don't let yourself become a player in the puppet show. stand up for your club. |
robm
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... In order for RL to stand any remote chance of any sort of return on his investment he needs to keep top players or at least replace top players with top players he also needs a top manager/coach. With the managers we are being heavily linked with who the hell can read Randy's mind? Because I certainly cant. |
Grima Wormtongue
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... Randy won't upset Al Fayed because they are friends,! . RANDY you should know THERE ARE NO FRIENDS IN BUSINESS especially slimey cockroaches like the Egyptian swindler. He is the lowest of low. Randy you are stupid if this is the reason! |
Danny Blackford
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... There must be some element of truth in McCleish as someone the other day posted on here about Randy not being in the country and they also mentioned Corsica. I read in the Telegraph today that Alex Mc has been on holiday there this last week.Did anyone else pick up on this? I hope to god this does not come to fruition..... |
Analyse This
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... IF... IF IF IF!!! If wishes were horses, beggars would ride If turnips were swords, i'd wear one by my side If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no need for tinkers' hands |
Altan
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... Seriously I'm not one to moan but with over 1,000 comment's and with clearly lots to talk about maybe it might be time for new post ....!!! |
TrueVillan
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... sick to death of all this speculation, we are going to end up with second best like we always do, just live with it! |
LordLichfieldII
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... @Analyse This- Nicely put. @ Damian- What would it cost you to put a 'recommend' or + or - button on the comments? Would give a real reflection of the villa fan feeling on here instead of listening to the vocal minorities. Would also get you quoted in the press a lot more if you saw some numbers on here. I think I represent a lot of infrequent but interested posters. Damian- you have a real chance now to influence the way the club is run. Just what we all dream of. Got the balls to do it? Democracy Brother! |
LordLichfieldII
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... let this site become the unofficial spokesman. The advertising revenue would be worth the ballache alone surely? |
robm
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... Pat Murphy who is a respected BBC journo close to Villa reckons the deal will happen and will be sorted soon. The LMA chairman says McLeish's confidential contract details were made public by the clowns which is a breech of contract and the LMA are mediating to help sort "in a day or so". The signs are not good. |
salty
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... Heard Saggers and Quinny stirring it up this morning, working their little socks off to show that we were rudderless with f****e fans. Club in crisis, etc. Inviting anyone who signed up to Facebook to give them a call. Trotting out the old media chestnuts about how MON took us to 6th place glory, but we weren't satisfied and wouldn't give him any money. Pathetic journalism. The agenda was to spread discontent via a hot 'phone-line; it is all worked out in an 'editorial' before the show starts when they second-guess the approach that will get the 'phones ringing. Nothing to do with reality and conveniently forgetting that the only people who have given 'copy' to the media are the owners of other clubs ie.Fulham, Wigan and Blues, none of whom I would trust to lie straight in bed. |
salty
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... In case it didn't make sense the censored word in my last post was phickle, with an 'f', not the word they thought it was! |
LordLichfieldII
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... "I am astounded at the stupidity of the Birmingham supporters complaining about the prospect of Alex McLeish going across the city. I have supported Blues for 62 years and he was the worst manager in my memory. His purchases, tactics and team selections were abysmal. Let him go! He'll stuff up the Villa as he has Birmingham" - Tony Parker. |
steamers75
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... l dont want eck at the villa either and a lot of my mates dont( one of them stopped coming to vp till doug left) what gets me is how many of you listen to talks**te , l stopped about 2 years ago the radio /news are loving this |
.vogra
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... Looks like McKleish then.. Guys, as much we don't like it we gotta back the guy, I have to say today i was warming to the idea, he did well with limited resources at Blues, arguably has a better nose for talent in the transfer market than either of our past two managers.. Nothing we can do about it boys...apart from not turn up, we cannot have a negative vibe first game the season, we will go down like blues if thats the case |
Adam69
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... What part of the search criteria does McLeish fit that the board are alledgedly using to find the new manager? PL experience, or in fact getting relegated from the PL. That and a quite word from SAF saying he's a great bloke. Surely we are not getting advice from another PL manager on our prospective new manager! |
robm
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... Most realised it was going to be McLeish it doesn't mean we want him because I absolutely dont but it was always obvious he was coming. Assuming he does we have to carry on supporting Villa and as things pan out we may well be able to say "we told you so" at least the bloke seemed to want the job so we will have to give him a chance at least. |
robm
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... Lerner giving funds to buy Bent shows he is afraid of relegation well at least the financial ones it will be interesting to see what money is made available for the new manager, can we expect Pavlechenko who Ekk wanted for the clowns? or maybe David Bentley? Exciting and worrying times to come I dont doubt. |
hello bud
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... IF this is true its a sad day for AVFC and i am fcuking embarrased with the decision 4 us to employ that nob when theres a perfectly good manager out there without work!! no logic in this what so ever! |
jimmytheshark
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... caint belive it the ginger c..ts got the job...............f..k off.................... |
robm
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... Stick 2 fingers up to the clowns and say he's bettered himself beyond his wildest dreams. |
TinCup
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... Well its looking like were gonna be getiing that t**t from across the road then.................... Looks like my money will be going to watch Tamworth next season...... Never in the 26 years ive been going down the Villa have i been so depressed Would like to hear your opinion on this appointment Damo when this is announced! |
Gregory The Aston Villa Villain
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... he will be good for us, put rivalry aside, sure he presided over their relegation, it was hardly his fault when he first took over, and last year as much as it pains to say it they were well above us and had a cup in the bag by feb, a horrible run of results became worse when it coincided with injuries to major players, and burn out from the cup run. Anyway wont it be great when he leads us to greatness and we can say thanks very much bluenoses you should have kept him but dont worry |
bobvillian
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... Tom ross said on radiophone-in mcliease will be the next villa manager.This man does not get it wrong many times.SO BIG ELK IT IS |
ronski6
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... well, let's hope he does a good job, even if it's to p!$$ off the bluenoses. I'm laughing, to stop the tears! |
Jae86
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... TinCup ill be joining you at the lamb next season. ill be stood in front of the steps next to the main seating area by the burger stand |
VillaDude
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... One things is he is the ex-scum manager but did anyone see the football he had blues playing?!? Get ready for long ball with set peices as out only outlet. Worst possible appointment, would rather had GMac! |
oscars arse
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... DON'T PANIC!!!! Apparently the ladies team is looking for a manager too. it's obvious McCleish is taking that - isn't he? |
AlfaVilla
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... http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/New...22,00.html Looks like tacit confirmation........... |
VillaDude
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... Official News... http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/New...22,00.html NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
davyboy
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... i cant believe this has come to this 20 years a season ticket holder but no more bad times for villa |
DiscoBadger
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... So the biggest club in the Midlands are going to war with the 4th biggest club in the Midlands over a third-rate manager?...Shocking!! No wonder the rest of the country regard the whole area as some sort of footballing joke! This whole episode is an embarrassment! |
tommo
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... From anchelotti, to Hughes, to moyes, to martinez to effing mcleish.....haha we are a joke beyond I have ever seen. Mid table dullness for a long time to come. It's like back to the grim reaper. Such a lack of ambition. LIER LERNER OUT |
nicknag
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... THE DAY ASTON VILLA DIED!!!! OUR OWN CHAIRMAN HAS GONE AGAINST THE FANS, THEY WILL NOT SEE OUT THE SEASON IN CHARGE OF THIS CLUB! |
cyprusvilla
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... he had a great record in scotland but that doesnt count as much he said he wanted pavlichenko and zamora for the clowns and they gave him hleb and bentley on loan lets just give him a chance with our managment team |
blocked blogger
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... it's all speculation why beleive the media wait till our club makes an announcement, how much have the media got right up to now big fat 0 |
bobvillian
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... if he brings in players from the scum it has to be foster and dann.everybody else can f**k off |
VillaBoss
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... This can't be happening??? Not him, not from where he has been. However, they say they are going to interview him. I really hope it stops there. |
steve74
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... Randy thanks for buying aston villa football club & putting your money in, i have followed villa home & away for 20 years.i have three season tickets i worked very hard for my money sometimes 7 days a week .but if the rumours are true i will be getting my money back as if this is the best you can do for AVFC with my money then iwould rather waste it a better way than give it that scumbag. p.s plase give us a ring when hes left & i will come back until that day im now a FAN and not a supporter as you will not get a penny of my money |
robm
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... Those who keep saying Lerner will be out its his club like it or not he owns it no board of directors or shareholders just one owner who calls the shots like it or not. |
Mdaz
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... Am I missing something here. Aside from the City connection, Alex Mcliesh has a poor mangament record in the EPL so why is he being considered? |
villaninkent
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... Outrageous. If McLeish is appointed then I'm done with Aston Villa and I'm done with football. Fact is, there has been a MASSIVE public outcry from the people that matter most - the fans - and it has been ignored. McLeish is NOT the only candidate out there, there's no excuse for this. The official statement feels like a kick in the teeth from a bunch of Americans who clearly don't understand the passion in the game. I thought they did, and defended them right up until this very point, but now I'm done. This is ridiculous. |
ROBT
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... I would like to know where people like FATKEV think that these billionaires are. Who is going to buy Villa and invest a fortune in the club. If you know any let me know! |
nicknag
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... Lerner has sealed and sign his own suicide, he will never, never again be taken seriously from the fans again, doug number 2, all our players are gonna leave, lack of ambitioun, too indicisive, Mr Lerner you have proved yourself to be a 100% tool. NEW OWNER PLEASE AND FAST!!!!! |
Hathers
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... Club Statement This is a message to the fans of Aston Villa. The Club has been reluctant to elaborate publicly on our search for a new manager and, in particular, to confirm or deny our interest in specific candidates. This is not a new policy, indeed it is the approach that we have taken both in regard to managerial prospects, and potential player signings. The Club understands that Alex McLeish is a free agent. We therefore intend to interview him imminently in order to make a decision regarding his candidacy to become Villa manager. From the beginning of our search, we have set out criteria based on proven Premier League experience, compelling leadership, an ethic for hard work and, most importantly, sharing our vision for Aston Villa as we know that without a shared vision any appointment, however attractive, will ultimately fail. Since 2006 we have approached our custodianship of Villa based on a broad-based strategy of significant investment to improve the squad, the training ground and Villa Park. We feel it is essential to select a manager who understands and supports our strategy for the Club to grow and to be sustainable. Otherwise, the natural tensions and competitive pressures that are involved with every season will ultimately cause instability and make continuity impossible. We would, however, like to emphasise that in deciding to interview Alex McLeish, the Board has taken his tenure at our local rivals and the strong emotions associated with this very seriously. We are determined, still, not to allow that three-and-a-half year post to disqualify him should he be the best candidate for the role of Aston Villa manager. |
rocky
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...Gregory The Aston Villa Villain said:b****x,he at three quarters of a season the first relegation and he has spent money last season,there brand of footy is disgracefull and to think of the names we have been linked with to ending up with this guy beggars belief,Houlliers passing game to Mcleishes w**k.how has it taken 2 months to come up with this |
scaff 1
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... The statement says it all, big FECK has already been chosen to become our new manager .ITS ABSOLUTE b******s about interviewing the t**t.Its all sewn up f**k OFF |
The Droyd
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... Did anyone see how retarded the Small Heath fans interviewed just on Skysports News are? Utter mongs!!!!!! |
tommo
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... Weneva people say, he was relegated TWICE wiv brum, how can this be good enuf?? Yes he won mickey mouse cup on a very VERY lucky goal, and as for his run in the spl....its the SPL!!! if he won it wiv hearts it wud be very impressive but it was with rangers, a 2 hoarse league every year! It's a joke we had to wait in silence for THIS tripe. Nufing we can do about it now just sit and watch us fall into the (fulham/bolton) bracket. Wot a shame how its turned out.... |
blocked blogger
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... yep jst seen statement on av site must say i am shocked at our club offering a interview to big eck, this as really changed my view on randy's ambition for the club well i guess were back to Mon style of football hoof n set pieces |
mon 4-5-1
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... If McLesh is appointed, and a big IF then, 'Lerner Out' - but lets wait and see! |
mickey86
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... looks like we best stop moaning - hes gonna be our next manager wether we like it or not. if he brings with him foster and johnson then that will be a start - but he best hit the ground running next season or the fans will never be on side - he needs 10 points from his opening 5 games. |
ou812
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... Now if I had a delorian I would go back to the last game of the season & ensure the clowns stayed up!! |
Adam69
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... I feel sick WTF, In lerner we trust what a load of b******s!!! They have all lied because McLeish has a shocking PL record, the stats don't lie. General Bulls**t and the rest of the clowns on the board are gonna stich us up big time. So we get a s**te manager thats just been relegated, that's the best we can do! Has McLaren signed for Forest yet?? |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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...blocked blogger said: MON football was direct. McLeish is negative antifootball |
proud to be a villain
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... Disgraceful mr lerner.how dare you do this to our club.mcleish has been awful at blues.relegated twice in his tenure with some absolutely awful football.is that what you want for our once great club.i would rather have mclaren.we are doomed if you sign this inept fool. |
steamers75
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... my brother in law asked me how do we villa fans know the difference between us and the clubfooters , l told him their fans are all ugly and on watching ssn and that banjo player outside that dump just proved it . looks like l will be spending my saturdays in the aston social and will have to get there early as its going to be packed , |
ronski6
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... I know i'm going to be umpopular here, and I understand why. so i apologise in advance. But i'm going to back McLeish if he is the manager. Would I prefer another manager? Yes! Do I really want an ex 'nose at the villa? No! Do I want McLeish to be a success? Yes, and let me explain why: 1. It will mean the team and club will be successful 2. It will drive the blues fans mental! 3. Villa is my club, and I can only ever love them. |
duff89
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... we may not like the decision to appoint mcleish but I also don't like hearing people say that they will turn their backs on the club because of this. Aston Villa FC will still be here when the likes of Randy Lerner and Alex Mcleish are long gone. We support the club, not individuals. In terms of appointing Mcleish as manager, I find it a rather strange decision, not due to the fact that he managed our greatest rivals, but because of his defensive long-ball style of football. I thought last year was a transition to get away from this? Anyway whoever comes in, and even if it is Mcleish, I will be giving them the benefit of the doubt and will back them and continue to support my club 100% UTV |
Adam69
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... Not for whole McLeish's reign 74% This is a poll taken from another Villa webite indicating the % of persons who would not renew their season tickets if McLeish gets the job! If it were to happen it would appear to be financial and footballing suicide. |
TinCup
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... This is the biggest slap in the face for any Villa fan in my opinion. You would have thought after all this time we would have a candidate who would be head and shoulders above anyone. I WILL NOT BE SPENDING MY HARD EARNED CASH TO WATCH BORING FOOTBALL TO SAY IM ANGRY IS AN UNDERSTATMENT!!!! Get those f**kin yanks out our club The only way we can show the club how we feel is to vote with our feet and i will certainly be doing that. Its gonna the darkest day in our recent history |
nicknag
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... I think i am no longer an Aston Villa Fan gutted, i don't like to be a traitor i leave that to the french, but this time enough is enough! untill villa come out and rule him out, or untill he is inevatibly sacked in January, i will no longer follow the villa or go to games and spend money at the club, sorry. |
robm
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... The sign of the times in football finances outside of the top4 are stretched and ours seem to be stretched more than most. Randy should seriously consider finding a buyer a sheik would be great or a Russian oil tycoon sadly if you aint either you wont afford a football club. |
oggyavfc
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... w*nkers this cant be real! I will be at villa park tomorrow to show my disgust they are not getting another penny out of me one word .............................. gutted! Randy you have fu*ed up and general get f*cked ! |
Nigel
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... Very sad and depressing news IMO. This shows a major lack of ambition just by the fact he's being interviewed! Not looking forward to negative and uninspiring football next season if this guy takes charge. Who's advising Randy? Obviously someone who don't want us to succeed!!! |
tommo
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... Brum want 5.4mill for him aswell! Lerner will pay it aswell! Cos he has no backbone, he has proved it time and agen, c u later disco stu I don't blame u! |
robm
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... Nigel; sounds like Peter Pannu is advising Lerner! He's changed his mind now as their own fans dont want him so he's giving Randy some encouragment , get a fee for him and they will think all their Christmas's have come at once. |
southwestvilla76
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... Its total b******s RL will give him an interview then an hour later it will be on SSN sayin the thick,ginger,tramp will NOT be the nxt villa manager or words to that effect!!! |
Deano&Dalian
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... Message to Randy: You seemed to have backed yourself into a corner, and don't want to appear weak in resolving the issue, so here's a couple of things you could do: 1) Back track and approach Hughes (what he did to fulham was the same as AM did to Brum so who cares); 2) Go get Chris Hughton - yes its a risk, but he's young and played decent football and we'll understand the risk you're taking; 3) Employ Kevin Macdonald for a season, or keep GMac on for a bit; just don't hire AM. |
Nigel
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... BTW, my opinion has nothing to do with him managing Blues. If they had a top manager, and we could get him, then great! Only thing is he's not a top manager. Randy, does his Prem record and style of play do it for you? |
taglor
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... Is this all part of the secret plan you knew about damian? Why oh why are all the Villa fans on talksport the most unintelligible, unarticulate morons? Please just have a normal villa fan on. |
steve74
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... board say thay dont care about his last 3 half years in his last job if he fits there bill thay will will have him avfc your losing the plot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Heroes & Villans
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... For the board to think he is good enough for us is a joke, it beggers belief. This was Learners chance to get it right and show us where we are heading, all of this should not be happening. Everything has gone tits up, the reviews we are getting in the papers, the coverage on tele, its all negative and is going to take some turning around. What the hell are the players thinking! |
Christian1983
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... I pride myself on avoiding kneejerk reactions. I supported Houllier, I accepted the incredibly long, drawn out manager negotiations. But, Randy, this is absolutely disgusting. He's spat in the fans' faces. Of every single name mentioned, this guy was the lowest of the low. How clear does it need to be? Randy's not a football man, he's a business man. We're no different to Liverpool under their shocking American owners. I can foresee protests, walk-outs and utter contempt. God help McLeish if he's 1 down at home at half time against anyone- Houllier had it bad, but this'll set a new precedent. I hope I'll calm down, but right now I feel, like many, I'm a fan of AVFC, not a supporter. That's NOT phickle (sic), that's just an acceptable response to being completely diregarded, dismissed and ridiculed by our owners. |
taglor
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... Not to mention suing us after he won f**k all with more money than any villa manager ever |
clevelandvillian
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... Maybe if RL doesn't have the brains to figure out this is wrong on so many levels, maybe the ginger nut will grow a brain cell and figure out for himself this will not work |
mon 4-5-1
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... IF McLeish is appointed, it marks the beginning of the end for Lerner! I could not careless he (McLeish) managewd the clowns. Just the simple fact his football is dire, actually worse than O'Neil's. |
Heroes & Villans
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... Good luck in your interview tommorow big eck......not! If he understands us fans he wont bother turning up for the interview! Why would he want it! |
cyprusvilla
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... lerner in my country i can only watch the premier league and you want to deprive me of watching my team by giving someone who will take us to the championship next season well go take a running jump along with faulkner and the general, lerner in you we DONT trust open your eyes before its too late get MARK HUGHES PLEASE |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... There's being being brave or having balls . But this is neither it is stupid , madness and suicidal. To even interview does not make any sense. |
lewis-dp
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... Thinking about the whole thing I have come to 3 different conclusions... There is more to this than meets the eye. I think it must be one of them... 1) Villa have invented something that they wish to use to save face. In some kind of managerial masterstroke (!?!?) they have decided to make a fuss over McLeish, before turning him down, in a bid to try to make it appear to the masses that we still have the upper hand after the bad Martinez PR fiasco. (likelihood 2/10) 2) Whatever happened with MON was actually something really bad... even though the underlying issue never made it to the press... it is known within the industry, and other managers are giving us a wide berth because somethig happened and they are supporting MON (all accept possibly McLeish, owing to past rivalries) (likelihood 5/10) 3) Villa really are in a position where they can't get an appointment and are starting to panic... people are not wishing to speak to them, and they are finding themselves in a position where they are worrying... and McLeish seems like the only option. (likelihood 7/10) |
taglor
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... My advice to Downing, get the f**k out of our sinking ship while you can mate. Star players sold every season, no goalkeeper, no manager, no f**king clue |
Marty
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... FFS I am so angry John Gregory has taken the Kayrat Almatry job, another top manager who loves villa now unavailable due to board having finger wedged up their ass  |
rocky
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...Heroes & Villans said:for the club to come out and say what they have in that statement to me says that he allready has the job,f**k f**k f**k |
bass
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... blues aside, if someone was manager of a shop and they sold dull products and the business went under, would anyone look at that manager and say, you are the man i want to make my shop the next Tesco? NO! what a joke it is over for me until the ginger t**tt is sacked!! i wont be spending a penny on anything with avfc on it! |
nicknag
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... Looks like its Leicester Tigers who are going to get my support next year lol i'm gonna have a break from following football for a while. |
Vaiinn
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... what a terrible club statement, out of reality, i cant believe what i just read!! so SO dissapointed..we cant hire McLeish..we just cant!!! |
Ryan in Leeds
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... I can't actually believe this, I feel gutted, my brother feels sick, they have no clue the intense feeling of animosity between villa and blues, you have no idea how fierce the rivalry is randy, this will break us as a club cos he will never be accepted by fans I dare say the players will respect him if the fans don't, dark days ahead, I love my club, no adore my club. Respect the city divide randy, don't do this it has disaster written all over it |
j doyle
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... i am banned on this web site and hope i will now be banned from villa park for the life time of this ginger winger i will be at villa park tommorow to return my season tickets and ask for my money back |
DSB
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... Gutted, there's no way I'm going to be renewing my season ticket now. 150 mile round trip every game to watch boring, negative rubbish. We have been lied to, fed a load of crap about a great plan, if Mcleish is the plan god help us all. |
villajules
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... Ruud Gullit has been sacked as manager of Russian side Terek Grozny - for god's sake slow-Lerner ring him. This is unbelieveable 'pish' and we'll probably end up paying $35m compo to the clowns. |
DiscoBadger
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... Maybe they're only going to interview Mcleast? Maybe there's a few interviews this week? Am clutching these straws so hard now my knuckles are white. |
steve villa boy
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... A protest tomorrow may be looked on as futile, but all you Villa fans who love this club with a passion must turn up at Villa Park tomorrow and show their disgust with the present board/chairmen. This club has been at the crossroads of the journey that is football on many occassion, but this will be possibly the worst decision made by the club in decades. Take away Mcleish's association with small heath and your left with a manager with one of the worst cv's in the premier league. There are many great reasons for supporting Aston Villa, but one reason not to renew my season ticket UTH VTID SOTC |
dingbat
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... The last two paragraphs of that statement are a disgrace! Basically they are saying we know it annoys the fans but f**k em they will have what they are given! No we won't! Its our club Lerner! |
paulB
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... I first went to Villa Park in 1962 and generally until 1970 when we ended up in Div 3 it was all downhill. I have known the dark times with Villa but always stayed loyal and believed in the leadership. This decision however absolutly beggars belief and I cant remember feeling so dispirited or downcast in my life. It hasnt anything to do with McLeish being a bluenose (although it dont help)its that he has no premier league credibility whatsoever. And what happened to Mr Lerner "listening to the fans" over McLaren. He has obviously now chosen to completely ignore our feeling for this one and go ahead regardless. Well thanks a bunch Mr Lerner, it doesnt look like I will celebrate my 50th anniversary of watching the Villa at Villa Park. I certainly wont pay my precious money supporting that total idiot (I have to travel 300miles round trip for a home game) I will always be claret and blue, it looks like I will have to wait until February when we sack him !!!!!!!!!!! |
walls10
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... just dont get it why would pay the scum 5.3 mill in compo when we could have carlo anc for 6 mill at t5he end of the day we can talk to who we like dont mean he is going to get the job |
frosty
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...Ruud guilt is now available! Does this mean he will get a interview? God I hope not, 3 wins in 6 months because he's more interested in clubbing. Hardly inspiring at Chelsea either. Just a thought, isn't this the same blog thats been banging the drum all year to give a manager a chance before judging? |
taglor
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... I just clicked on the official site to watch downings interview and I cant unless i subscribe, he is only talking about what TV he likes?!?!?! That is football now isnt it, MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY. Well f**k yyou premiership with your top 4 teams |
davidg
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... Mon 4-5-1 (comment 1177) sums up the way I feel right now in a nutshell. The club statement is a poke in the eye, a written two fingers up to the supporters of AVFC. I said earlier that I thought Randy Lerner would be mad to consider appointing someone with McLeish's PL record to the Villa job, and that he wasn't mad. Now, I just don't know, and I just don't get what's going on at Villa Pk. Waving, or drowning? Drowning, by the look of it. |
Steveo
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... proud history bright future hmmmm, not sure many of us believe that anymore, our standards have been dropped big time. |
robm
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... Fans should go to VP regardless of who the manager is give him stick when he gets it wrong by all means, there's as much chance of Ekk getting it right as there would of been of Moyes getting it wrong its a gamble whoever gets it. |
B62 Villa
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... RL = Traitor f**k off Mcleish f**k off Lerner and Fat Faulkner We need a mass protest, Lerner will stay in the USA after this we are in for relegation this season |
taglor
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... that monopolise and bent refs. FIFA corruption etc, money is the root of all evil. I remember goin to VP with my dad and them lettin us have a kick about on the pitch and my dad sayin he saw the players goin to training on the bus. That was the team and club i loved but its long gone, football is dying |
davyboy
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... I hope this is a ploy from R.L to treaten us with mcs**t then turn him down then we wouldn t mind who we got in just not him .i dream |
Shaw82
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... I wouldn't wanna be in the trenches with some of you guys!! Turn your back on your team cos you don't like the man in charge! My blood is claret and blue and I can't walk away!!! What happens if he brings Foster and Johnson? The players will like him and the only way we will go down next season is if we don't back him up! Shows he has b******s to me and most of all it sounds like he wants to come!!!!!! |
oggyavfc
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... what time is the protest ? I have just been sick in my mouth !!!! the villa is ours f*ck off ginger p***k the villa is ours!! Sad times ahead!!!!! I feel like my heart has been ripped out this is how much it means Randy ! Please don't make the biggest mistake in the clubs history!! See the fu*ckin light ! |
paulB
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... Rob M You have hit it on the head mate. We are seen as a money supply now not supporters. Lerner cannot fail to be aware of the level of feeling on this. If he appoints this clueless boring negative manager he is putting two fingers up to all of us. There cannot be a more unpopular choice he could make.. but I bet he makes it anyway. |
ronski6
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... I think some people need to sit down and breath. as somebody has mentioned befreo, the club will survive this, and you never know, it might actually work... |
nik986
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... I have just posted this to the General; General, I understand why you have looked at Mcleish, but it should have been a quick glance and then look away. If he had done great things at the club, then we could understand where you were coming from, but he has got a decent side relegated twice; whilst playing the most boring, negative football seen in the premier league. You will hear some very emotional views, and will get a lot of abuse, but most of us moderate fans could understand this appointment if he had done something (the carling cup does not count in a season with a relegation). For me it is not that he has managed Birmingham City, that makes no difference, I would get no more delight than stealing their manager had he achieved something, but they are the ones laughing at us, as he has not proven himself to be a competent manger in the EPL. You (the club) released a statement recently after Roberto Martinez had declined an interview, and although many thought the manager of Wigan was not good enough for Villa, everyone could see the thinking; Young, ambitious manager who plays good football with an eye for a bargain and so, quite rightly in my opinion, we thought we had a window in on the criteria from which you were choosing a new manager. From this names such as Coyle, Lambert and Grayson sprung, and although these have differing levels of premier league experience and many were underwhelmed, we could see the thinking behind them. How does Alex Mcleish fit into this profile? Yes he has premier league experience, two seasons of relegation and one of struggles until a 12 game unbeaten run including a number of draws and lucky 1-0 wins ensured their survival and a 9th place finish in what was a tight mid-table. You will not fill Villa Park next season, I would say that you will struggle to 25,000 for the first game - so from purely a business/economic point of view this does not make sense. I really hope that you see sense in this appointment and tell Alex 'Thanks for the interest, but you do not fit our criteria' and move on to a young manager who fits the profile originally drawn up. I would urge you to think about this appointment very carefully, and re-consider very, very swiftly before Randy does irreperable damage to his reputation with the Villa fans. Yours, Mr N Skilton Season ticket holder Will probably not get a response, but i think it sums up how many of the fans feel. |
rocky
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... just thinking back to Downing telling us how he loved it at Villa only to change his mind a week later,does it seem a bit fishy now. |
Rocco
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... Randy we trusted you, you could just be about make the biggest mistake of your life, you cant understand that we are not f****e we just all know what we dont like, have a think about what you are about to do, everyone who supports our great club knows that you surround yourself with yes men like porky faulkerner and the failed General yes perhaps we shouldnt have upset you with Mclaren but dont take it out on the fans who adore the club Message to that twa** Colleymore go and crawl back under your stone you foul women beating talentless lazy fool and stop bigging up the bluenose fool |
Jack Adams
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... Absolute disgrace if McLeish is manager Hopefully Villa are just doing this to wind up Blues, as they accused Villa of allsorts! We do things correctly (ask Dave Whelan of Wigan) List of Managers also available Randy!! Gullit, Rijkaard, Hughes. Hope they all get interviews as well as Relegation specialist McLeish. Ex Barcelona manager Rijkaard or Ex small heath McLeish ?? Difficult one but i know which i would choose !! |
pepsihead
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... WE HAVE ALL BEEN SHAFTED BY RANDY LEARNER ,LEARNER AND MCLEISH OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! |
Steveo
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... i'll be there next season, but this is a wrong move. what i want to know is this. who is lerner and faulkner talking to/with on footballing matters ? |
mon 4-5-1
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... Have we terminated Houllier's contract yet, i'll take a sick Houllier than this! |
steve villa boy
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... oggyavfc not sure but I get the impression 5.00pm at the steps of the holte |
Whitto
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... This is a stupid move from both Villa and Mcleash, there is no way on this earth that it will ever work out, the second it starts to go wrong which it will everyone will turn not just on Mcleash but the board too. I love the Villa and will always support the Villa but for the forciable future will probably be from my armchair watching VillaStreams, and for all you people out there that are saying Ill support him etc fair play to you but sorry its not for me. Dark days ahead me thinks! |
Bahamavillan
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... In a statement on Villa’s official website, the club said: “The club understands that Alex McLeish is a free agent. “We therefore intend to interview him imminently in order to make a decision regarding his candidacy to become Villa manager. “From the beginning of our search, we have set out criteria based on proven Premier League experience, compelling leadership, an ethic for hard work and, most importantly, sharing our vision for Aston Villa as we know that without a shared vision any appointment, however attractive, will ultimately fail. “We would, however, like to emphasise that in deciding to interview Alex McLeish, the board has taken his tenure at our local rivals and the strong emotions associated with this very seriously. “We are determined, still, not to allow that three-and-a-half year post to disqualify him should he be the best candidate for the role of Aston Villa manager.” Finally, they have given us their criteria. If Mcleish is supported, we still need to support our club. We need to get behind the manager and players. Give him until December, and then judge the manager. Mcleish hasn't done a bad job at Birmingham. When you look at the circumstances he's had to work with, it's no wonder B'ham got relegated. What does worry me, is that B'ham showed no fight in the last few games. But if he's our manager, we need to support the club. |
ronski6
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... ALL HAIL THE GINGER MOURHINO! Ex blues manager who plays boring football, and he's ginger. Surely must be the biggest anti hero of all time! |
Rattleman
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... What more can you say.... Funnily enough there was another editor of an online fans site on 5 live earlier. He stated that he had gotten to know the current management and when you looked into the White of their eyes you fully believed the long term plan. Damian...were you at the same meetings? There is not and has never been a secret plan. The villa board have no idea what they want? There is no succession of managers lined up to follow on from GH. Something is so wrong at our club that it is treated like a leper colony with no one even asking to be interviewed. Double standards being shown by the board about who they talk to when someone wants to talk. ( hughes and mcclaren) I hope all that were unhappy with the 6th place finishes and cup runs for a club of our status ( not history) are happy now? If mcs**t comes then we know what we will get. Organised and dull. One of my best mates is sadly a nose season ticket holder and has disliked mcs**t for 2 years apart from 1 day last march! Maybe mcs**t will interview to the same standard that he got his team to play and not get the job. My greatest concern is that he is the only applicant!! |
Heroes & Villans
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... The thing that hurts me is that i had so much faith in Learner. Why does our next manager have to have preier leaugue experience? It has narrowed the choice down somewhat. Did Fergie, Wenger, Moyes, Hiddink have prem experience when they got appointed? It shows to me how little of football these guys know. |
oggyavfc
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... cheers lads see you at villa park tomorrow at 5pm unless we hear that tw*t is not going to be the manager!! I love my club and i now know what it would feel like if my wife cheated on me!!! my blood is boiling!!!! |
BiggerthanmeandU
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... We need to protest TOMORROW Peacefully and respectfully but it is our only chance to save this from happening. Also we should all phone Consumer Sales tomorrow to ENQUIRE about the season ticket cancellation policy. At the end of the day we are Randy Lerners customers - we should have a say!!! Also we shouldnt be made to feel embarrassed by other fans who feel we are not 'proper fans' if we protes or moan - WE CARE!!! |
steve74
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... shearer talking to cardiff hes got pl experience and only took a team down once ? rl if this is your way of a joke its not very funny .now stop it |
robm
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... Jack Adams:you are assuming any of these managers want the job I think this is the problem NO ONE WANTS TO MANAGE ASTON VILLA apart from the likes of McLeish. |
ronski6
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... "There's only one Al McLeish, Onnnnee Al Mcleish, He's like me and you He hates the blues, Walking in a ginger wonderland!" I can see it catching on... |
Bahamavillan
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... At B'ham, Mcleish liked to play with one forward up front, a holding midfielder in Ferguson and two 'attacking' midfielders, in Craig Gardner and Lee Bowyer. They liked to play possession football. It can be boring at times, but it can also be effective, as seen where they beat Arsenal in the carling cup. B'ham were horribly unlucky with injuries. We thought villa were trying to change the blueprint, but it hasn't since the O'Neil days. They want the squad to have a British core, including the manager. It's very tough to come to the realisation that Mcleish could become our manager, but right now it's important not to let emotions get involved and look objectively about this appointment. |
yes_villa
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...There's only one Al McLeish, |
Bahamavillan
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... I also think they won't someone that is tough. Look how Houllier lost the dressing room midway through the season. This board don't want to make that mistake again. Mcleish will go in and sort Dunne and Collins out, and probably bring Warnock back to the fold. I think Lerner realises if he brings in a manager with an attacking philosophy, he'll have to ship out some of these players, and consequently lose the money he bought them for, and spend more on their replacements. I can see Charlie Adam come if Mcleish comes. It makes business sense, but does it make football sense? We will see... |
rocky
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...HOOLY said:are you going to murder him |
Nike
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... If you don't see Mcleish as a backwards step for our club something is wrong You probably haven't watched enough of there matches or spoke to many blues fans Who will confirm its defensive and very boring Just because Faulkner and Lerner are top dogs at villa don't mean they know more about football than you or us Most of us know this is a backwards step so get yourself down villa park tomorrow for a protest at 6 o clock We as fans have the right to voice our concerns its us who pays to watch matches and we care more about our club than any owner or manager ever could Don't let Mcleish in and take us backwards WE deserve better |
robm
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... Charlie Adam managed by Mcleish when he was at Rangers only positive I can think of. This has been done and dusted for a few days think about it Villa asked to be kept informed of Adam's situation with McLeish we have more chance of signing him. |
steve villa boy
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... Davyboy Starts at 5pm at the back of the north stand but some are saying 6pm Lets be there in our thousands and be proud Villa |
Bahamavillan
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... If Moyes doesn't sign, who are we left with? Curbishley, Mcleish, Hughes, Jones (lol), Davis ( )... B'ham played boring football because they had no choice. They have crap players. They set themselves up so they are difficult to beat. It came off the rails because they had tons of injuries. I'm not saying i support the Mcleish appointment, but if he comes we need to support him. Otherwise we could shoot ourselves in the foot and get relegated if we make his job impossible. |
Whitto
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... Damien, where are you! I think people are waiting for a speach! where do you sit with all this |
Jack Adams
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... We do not want McLeish at Villa, even with £5 million compensation. What do you mean i read it wrong?? You mean we pay them!!!! F**king Hell Seriously, i think there are a lot of Chairmen who would let you talk to their manager for £5 million quid. And yes i think a lot managers would want the Villa Job with £20 million from Young and £15 million perhaps from Downing. |
Jack Adams
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... Speculate to Accumulate Randy!! Get Big name in (if we can!!) Villa Park full ?? Lots of money coming in !! Get McLeish in, Young gone, Downing going ??, Bent ??, Villa Park half empty - not so much money coming in !!! |
pprid
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... im gonna protest about the protest against the protest who is with me brothers and sisters |
Nike
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... It really is time to Unite The club know we don't want Mcleish yet are still going to interview him I guess these days we count for nothing Randy starting to show he's true colours before you know it he will be like hicks n co Id tread carefully Randy you think hicks got a hard time from pool fans that was nothing compared to what we will give you not a threat a promise |
pprid
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... paddypower still offering 2/7 so if you put 1750 on you could win a free season ticket that you can send back |
joevilla
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... This is hard to take. Have not left twitter for longer than 6 hours at a time over the last two weeks. IF it's Mcleish, I honestly want to see what he can do. That said I am just a fan, not a supporter, my only investment is £30 to villa streams. My emotional investment however is far greater. Please let this work. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... I agree with letter written by Nik986. It's the football that Blues played last year that I object to. I just don't see what's the point spending last year changing our style of football under Houllier to revert back to set piece merchants. It doesn't make sense. Listening to Talk Sport, a Hibernian fan phoned to say that Hibs played some brilliant attractive football under McLeish. This was seconded by a Rangers fan. I'm clinging to the hope that this is true and Blues only played c**p football because their board would only sanction the purchase of average players. Perhaps they had to play a style of play that suited their limitations to try and survive. I'd be just as worried if we were talking to Pulis. I also hope that the intention is to keep the existing backroom staff (Sid, MacDonald) which definately wouldn't have happened under Hughes. |
ronski speaks sense
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... Im gonna protest about the protest against the protest against the protest. Who's with me? Big ecks claret blue army! |
.vogra
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... I'll play devils advocate 1)If learner would have given McKliesh the money MON had he would have bought 3x's the talent MON did 2) He got Joe Hart,Ben Foster, Zarate, Bentley,Dann,Roger Johnson, Made Craig Gardner twice the player he was at ours,and Obimfami Martins if who was fit is quality 3) In a one off game against Arsenal in a Final he tactically beat Wenger..I guarantee we wouldnt have beaten Arsenal 4)With limited resources he got a team who in 49 yrs a trophy 5) Will sort our defense, which is our weak link 6)....and best of all, he'll join us after having relegating Blues...lol |
joevilla
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... Problem with a protest is that afterwards, unless you're a libyan rebel, you look a bit silly. Look, at least Mcleish in the same LA prison cell as Mclaren would be the one on the top bunk - think Bahamavillain is right, dunne and collins need to stay (for £ reasons) and Mcleish will command respect. Think G will also stay if Mcleish is appointed - Delph to get his chance. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... If there has to be a protest and I'm not in favour, please remember you are representing our club and keep it peaceful. Unfortunately this kind of gathering attracts the kind of idiots who have nothing to do with Villa but like the idea of confrontation. |
sjh
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... why do people keep on about the compo? ive heard the lma have deemed it a fair resignation due to the way mcleish was treated.his chief scout was sacked by a copied in email and the board were using underhand tactics with tranfer dealings.Thats why we r having him,its not gonna cost us anything! |
james82
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... All this talk about getting together a list of potentials and it was all rubbish... they havent interviewed anyone else and the ginger c@*t will get the job! no secret plan here.... |
Bahamavillan
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... Richexiledincoventry, you hit the nail on the head. B'ham played bad football because they didn't have the best players. I wouldn't be surprised if they're talking to Pullis, aswell as Moyes and Coyle (if the latter two haven't rejected them). Before the B'ham relegation, Mcleish's record was decent. |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Also heard that McLeish objected to the buying of Marlon King. If true, we have a man of principles. Vogra, you've lifted the gloom a bit and given me hope. |
Nike
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... ronski what was your views on Mcleish last week ? Don't answer infact i know you hated him just as much as the rest You just one of the small few that are two faced You can't hate someone one minute then the next pretend he is ok cause he might be on his way to Aston Villa I like 1000s of others won't stand around while our club is being dragged backwards No Chance!!!!!! |
Richexiledincoventry
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... I also think that the chance to get Foster, Dann and Johnson is pretty remote as the relations between McLeish and the Blues board is finished |
Bahamavillan
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... .vogra and joevilla, good to have some people on the same page. We need to support our club! and .vogra, you made some excellent points. On the Mcleish on the top bunk and McClaren on the bottom, have you by any chance been watching louis theroux's episodes in Miami? |
Salty
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... please contact Villa via this link to register your disapproval http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ContactUs |
Richexiledincoventry
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... robm The return of The Little Villain or BFR. Both would walk over glass to be back at Villa and both were and could again be successful. |
matt the villain
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... Lets be realistic here chaps, we currently have no manager, but we need a manaager ASAP. The ginger one has an interview, thats all. We all have interviews for jobs and we must realise that is all it is, an interview. Until the club say he is the mananger or not, you all need to relax. I am not a ginger fan and like it many of you have said, it is because of the football played under him. I am not making excuses but he had crap players, lots of injuries and a board that undermined him. I always thought it would be Hughes but it looks like I may be wrong. WHOEVER is in charge needs the support of the fans. Think about it, do we want Villa to succeed, of course we all do. Would a protest and people refusing to go to games because of the manager help villa, NO. If he is apponted, lets see what happens first before we all start making his job impossible. I understand the issues we have with him but come on, give him (or whoever gets the job a chance. |
geoff vowden
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... My first match was standing in the Witton on a milk crate when we were relegated to the 2nd division in the earl seventies under Tommy Docherty.So I feel I have some authority.My challenge to you is.....what is bigger?Your feelings or AVFC? If your prejudice against Blues or AM is greater than your love of AVFC you are deluded and define yourself by your differences. Simply back the board and AM and I feel we can regain our position as England's premier club. Kind Regards Geoff Vowden |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... i'm still in shock from taht statement. I was expecting to read a statement of denying any interest and then read that. Why they even want to interview him? I'm sorry but our board really have not got a f**king clue what they are doing. Martinez now McLeish ? McLeish would be such a bad appointment footballing wise , money wise and politically wise . It's not a brave decision its just a f**king mental one. |
VillaInsider
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... A reliable source has told me Gareth Southgate has an interview on Thursday, whats ppls vies on that? |
Richexiledincoventry
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... Vilainsider I commented a couple of days ago that Southgate was being talked about as the new manger. If Big Eck is not afraid of taking on the Villa job then he has more b**lls than most and would have no problem keeping Dunne and collins in line |
Bahamavillan
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... Mcleish is a strong character and will sort out the primadonas on this team. He will also make us solid at the back. He likes to use one striker up front, supported by two advanced midfielders and an advanced midfielder. Expect most of our defence to stay now. Then all we need is a winger, midfield player and goalkeeper. This could be an astute move by our board. Also, he's managed to keep Foster, Johnson and Dann from the big clubs so far. If we could do that under Mcleish, i'd be happy. Let me pose this question. If he came straight from Rangers, would we be so unhappy? Don't let emotions get involved, we need to think objectively! To be interviewed....Mcleish, Moyes (possible), Coyle (possible), Hughes, Pullis. Mcleish isn't definately coming yet... |
scaff 1
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... Cant understand all these people who are saying what is all the moaning about hes only being interviewed,ITS A DONE DEAL, FFS |
Bahamavillan
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... Southgate only just started a job at the FA (head of elite development!!?!?!)...I wouldn't think he's in the picture. I would rather Mcleish than Southgate |
EddieAv
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... I think bahamavillan has hit the nail on the head. A lot of the villa fans are being emotional about the fact he's come from blues. He appears keen to come to villa and that's a start... If the villa board are determined to press through with this then we should all be behind them and the new manager, and hope it works out. |
Scrumpy
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... Why not just relax and see what happens. The statement from Villa lawyers telling Peter Pann that we are entitled to talk to McCleish, and now statement about interviewing does several things... firstly when they have seen his CV there is little chance of him getting the position. Imagine what a slap in the face will be for the blue-nose scum that your ex manager isn't good enough for us! Secondly the legal stuff has put the incompetent fools, that have put the Scum close to the financial brink, right in their place. Is this Randy's way of telling Yeung that he is his bitch and Randy is the king d*ck in this city. i.e You don't tell us what to do. We are Villa we do what we want, and we do it cirrectly. Thirdly it really pisses off the inbred retards from the sty. Fourth, it acknowledges McC as a villa hero... has anyone relegated them twice? I'm sure we'll give him a nice lunch and a few pence for his mileage, and then send him on his way. Finally, it helps us confirm his availablity and suitability to take on a managerial position with another club, say Everton. Lets face it we would take any opportunity to really rub the blue-nose faces in it. Maybe this is just RL taking that opportunity? And if so, then what you all going to say?! |
DanWilson82
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... Sick to the stomach right now. Feel like i've been fed a big fat lie for the last few years. Randy obviously has no goals for our great club, and the statement on the official site was one of a sad pathetic mid table team, giving up and bending over and taking one up the backside from the money boys. Faccundo - Fat Kevs - Taglor, you were right, sorry lads. |
rocky
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...Simply back the board and AM and I feel we can regain our position as England's premier club. you think Alex Mcleish can make us Englands premier club jeeeez |
jc30
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... Dont know whether this is true or not, but someone has just told me the McLeish deal is virtually done n dusted and a statement will come from Villa Park at midday tomorrow. Says hes just come fron Villa park and there just tying up personal terms with with the ginger b*****d |
EddieAv
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... Yeah let's all go and protest and then Randy will put the club up for sale, and we will get bought out by the blues current owners and then we will really see what its like to have no money.... Let's face it, Randy has put up more money than any other chairman in villas history. Yes theres been mistakes but I personally have no doubt Randy has the clubs best interests at heart otherwise he wouldn't have put the money up for bent. What we need is stability and strength and I feel mcleish has the credentials to provide this. If we appointed mark hughes like so many fans want, any he got us into the top four, or anywhere near it, a club like chelsea or man u would come calling and he would be off like a shot. Think about that. |
Vital_Loans
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... It’s a long time since I have posted but I have continued to read Damian’s blog. The blinkered, simple minded view of a lot of people on this blog is both an embarrassment and detriment to Aston Villa. Do people seriously think that RL does not want the best manager for Villa? Does RL want to appoint AMcL for the purpose of annoying the fans? Is Darren Bent the purchase of a Chairman that doesn’t want success? Is this a bad record? Motherwell 1994–1998 -Scottish Premier Division runners-up (1): 1994–95 Hibernian 1998–2001 -Scottish First Division winners (1): 1998–99 -Scottish Cup runners-up (1): 2001 Rangers 2001–2006 -Scottish Premier League winners (2): 2002–03, 2004–05 -Scottish Premier League runners-up (2): 2001–02, 2003–04 -Scottish Cup winners (2): 2002, 2003 -Scottish League Cup winners (3): 2002, 2003, 2005 Birmingham City 2007–2011 -Football League Championship runners-up (1): 2008–09 -Football League Cup winners (1): 2010-11 |
rocky
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...Vital_Loans said:like how you left his premier league record out Vital |
DaveAV1
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... All of you who aren't going to renew, are going to send back your season tickets, are never going to set foot in Villa Park again etc etc you don't get it and never will. This isn't the theatre or the pictures, this is Aston Villa. Sometimes it'll be painful, sometimes fantastic. You don't go only when you like the film or the play, you're not a critic you're a fan. We're Aston Villa, we're a family. Sometimes the family screws up. Sometimes they do things that drive you mad and make you want to scream. So what do you do when things aren't good? Turn against your family? Attack and ridicule members of your family? Give up on them? Reject them?? Well if that's what you do then you never were and never will be a member of the family. I've seen us in the 3rd division when my Dad started taking me to Villa Park, I was in Rotterdam and I've experienced everything between all the highs and lows. When we were in the 3rd division we had the 4th highest attendances in the country. That's what I grew up with, that's my Aston Villa. Some of you know what I'm talking about. Those who don't never will and I pity you. Villa 'til I die |
Bahamavillan
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... Mcleish will bring stability back. He likes to play possession football and will make our team difficult to beat. He's made astute signings. Did well with Rangers when they had no money. Did well with Hibs, did excellently well with Scotland, did well with B'ham until they got relegated. It's remarkable B'ham won the Carling Cup! I would rather Mcleish than Hughes, Martinez, McClaren, Southgate, Benitez. Moyes is my number 1, then Coyle, then Mcleish. I think all three could do a good job. Give this guy a chance. He should be a hero for relegating the scum!!! Soon he'll be our hero when he brings us a trophy. He has guts and is a great tactician. I applaud him for having the courage to even accept this position, despite hostility from the fans. I admire him for that. |
Vital_Loans
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... Rocky, Yes 2 relegations in the PL. However, he had F all to spend and in fairness he was managing a s**te team. AMcL is not my first (or second or third) choice but I think he will do ok for us. Personaly I would like to see Poyet get the job |
DanWilson82
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... Vital loans, I appreciate where you’re coming from but the fact is appointing McLeish is financial suicide. Lerner is American, and probably does not have any background in the game. I doubt very much he grew up following Villa day to day like many fans do and I doubt very much he would be able to make a good call when it comes to appointing a manager. He has therefore relied on advisors to make suggestions and I can only imagine these advisors who are probably paid thousands of pounds are either BCFC fans or complete and utter morons. Make no mistake about it, this is an absolutely terrible decision if McLeish is appointed. Firstly because of the hatred between the two clubs and secondly because since managing in arguably the toughest league in the world, he has managed to achieve relegation on 2 separate occasions. He has absolutely nothing of value to bring to our team. He will not make our star players reconsider leaving and he will not entice big names to play for our once great club. At Very Best he will establish us as mid table certainties, bringing in the best of the worst from BCFC and players like David Bentley and Cameron Jerome along the way. I am a Villa fan, have been for 20 years and will continue to be but I can say frankly now, that I have absolutely no interest in next season whilst he is at the helm. This white flag waved by our owners today will create huge splits in the fan base and lead to massive falls in revenue. Never in my entire time as a villa fan have I felt more cheated or angered than I do today. Absolutely disgusted. |
walls10
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... i couldnt careless what he has won i couldnt careless he is a nose the blues fans who i work with who are season ticket holders are pissing themselves they were slaging him in the championship there are saying to me the amount of decent games they have seen down there in 3 years they can count on one hand there lies the problem his football is as dull as f**k |
ak_27
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... DanWilson82 spot on. This to me is a sign we are going nowhere under Lerner and that he has given up any interest in getting us top 4 football. What will happen to all our right young FOOTBALLERS under this man? This decision is so wrong for just so many f**king reasons im just numb at the thought of it. |
pjmavfc
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... f**k alec mc'limpdick , if he is the new villa boss it will feel like its not our great club anymore . I have been a season ticket holder for the last 15 years and if this dirty scum gets in im out. ill never forget the look on his face when they knocked us out the cup in last season ,The c**t was loving it , and i want that in charge of our team , i dont think so!!! |
Bahamavillan
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... Vital_Loans, good stats. He also won the treble in his first year. And he got Rangers to the last 16 of the champs league, the first time a scottish club had since 1993. Mcleish does not take any bullsh*t, and will get us playing as a team. Stop the protests. The actions of the minority are a detriment to our great club. We are bigger than that. Mcleish is a good man, Randy is a good man and we have a great club. Look at the Holte End pub, look at our pitch, feel the atmosphere at the games. The hairs stand up on the back of my neck when I walk into that stadium. This is our club, don't damage it. Back the man the board appoint, make his job as seamless as possible. If we back our manager, chances are that he will have greater success. Don't back the manager,and we will go into freefall and will be turned into a bigger joke than we currently are by the media. Randy Lerner, you have my full support. Nothing but good things have happened since you came here. UTV!!!!!! |
steve villa boy
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... Vital loans Read Dan Wilsons message and then with careful consideration with all the facts in front of you and then still say Mcliesh is the man for the Villa job |
rocky
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...Personaly I would like to see Poyet get the jobi said the same earlier,i reckon Big Fek spent more than you think though |
Vital_Loans
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... DanW I appreciate where u are coming from but can't agree with u. What pedigree do the owners of Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd or Liverpool have thay RL doesn't? I can’t see AMcL as financial suicide, equally can’t I see him taking us to the top, but I can see him improving us, winning something and taking us to the level where we can attract the type of manager we all crave |
Bahamavillan
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... Fergie didn't achieve much before Aberdeen. He was sacked by St. Mirren in 1974. Neither did he have impressive stats. But Aberdeen bought into his personality and style of management. Now look what has happened. SAF is the best in the business. |
Shaw82
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... Ginger Ecks claret and blue army! You have my backing if you come! Anyone who has the b******s to come across the city has my respect! And welcome to the best side of the city!!!! |
Fatkevs
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... You all laughed when Randy kicked us out of our seats In Randy i Trust you Said This man just wanted what he could get out of the club it will soon be a fire sale Now is Time to fight for our club not just about the appointment but how this fool is running or ruining our club VFC i guess not but the rest of us |
EddieAv
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... Here here daveav1. Well said. . I wonder how many of these fans would queuing at the ticket office next season if we did reach a cup final, with their shirts on! Claiming they are loyal supporters. |
Monstermerson
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... Ashley going Downing going Brad gone - can't even keep a 40 year old player Nrc - gone And a manager who thought curtis davies was a good buy coming in What players will he attract Helb - crock Martins - crock Could not get the tallest player in the prem to knock a ball down because he plays 1striker Just hoping tomorrow brings another dawn and this potential nightmare goes away |
DaveAV1
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... While we're talking stats. Ron Saunders was relegated both as manager of WBA and Blues. Was he a crap manager, or was he just at crap clubs at the time?? Villa 'til I die |
Fatkevs
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...Faccundo - Fat Kevs - Taglor, you were right, sorry lads. Still hoping i was wrong |
Greg1981
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... McLeish won't be Villa's manager. The problem is, yet more signals will have gone out to the football world regarding our vision, our standing and our ambitions in the game. This has been a dark day for our club. |
Bahamavillan
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... Fatkevs, read General Krulak's post. He states that Randy Lerner will continue to support his managers. |
Fatkevs
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...This isn't the theatre or the pictures, this is Aston Villa. Sometimes it'll be painful, sometimes fantastic. You don't go only when you like the film or the play, you're not a critic you're a fan. Why not try to give ourselves a chance to start with Relegated twice does that not set off any alrm bells It shows how little faith Randy has in the team he has built around him if he is this desperate not to leave them in charge Its time he did the decent thing & bring in the brokers clesaring the debt he has assigned to our club on the way out |
Bahamavillan
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... Monstermerson, he won't sign players like he did with B'ham. At villa, he would be with a club that has far more resources. I can see him going for N'Zogbia, he tried to sign him at St. Andrews until they baulked at his £50,000 wage demands. Can also see him going for Charlie Adam, and then sign Foster. I would be very happy with those 3. Then maybe a wow signing to get fans on board. |
blocked blogger
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... ... please contact Villa via this link to register your disapproval http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ContactUs i have just voiced my concerns in email to them |
Fatkevs
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... Bahamavillan you can take a horse to water but if he does not know how to drink it is fked |
steve villa boy
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... DaveAV1 I was there in Rotterdam and supported this club through thick and thin. I live and breathe Aston Villa But enough is enough Yes the Villa are my family,but if the head of the family started a relationship with someone that I felt was to their detriment and the majority of my family felt the same. I would then, if you love that family end that relationship. Mcliesh will bring nothing to Villa and many other diehard Villa season ticket holders all feel the same.If we are wrong do you think that Mcliesh type of management could elevate us up to the top 8 next season.Nobody can predict the future, but the majority of Villa fan don't have that believe |
The Droyd
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... Vital Loans - Good to see you back and I agree with you. If McLeish is our next manager and if we can bring ourselves to back him then I am sure his team will be far better than the shower of s**t we have endured under Houllier. I am prepared to back him should we appoint him. If other "fans" want to f**k the club by returning season tickets then they are poor excuses for supporters. I don't want McLeish but I'm buggered if I am going to do anything that is to the detriment of my club. Protests and withdrawal of support will do nothing but harm to our great club. |
Bahamavillan
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... Fatkevs, and a Carling Cup. He finished 9th last season. Wheels started coming off when relations were getting strained between himself and the board. Also, they had terrible injuries. Remember the injuries we had this season? We were in a mess. Then our players came back from injury and we managed to get to 9th. Did well at Motherwell, Hibs, Rangers and Scotland. And brought a trophy to the scum. He's a hero in my mind for relegating B'ham. He'll do well at villa if appointed. |
Bahamavillan
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... Fatkevs, other than the relegation and the fact he managed the scum, what else is wrong with Mcleish? He's not my first choice, but if he came he would get my support. If we turn on him, we could get relegated. That is a fact. Back Mcleish, give him time. If he makes a hash of it, then by all means you have my full support and we will call for him to go. Cast the emotion aside, and try to think objectively. |
Fatkevs
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... the club talk about sharing our vision for Aston Villa What the f is your vision Randy it not the same as MoN who wanted success Please Tell us what your vision is other than living off our heritage something you had contributed sweet FA to All i can see is total disrespect for the fans we are only customers after all you forced us handover our shares kicked us out of our seats & the Annual Dinner appoint s**t Board members & managers What is your Vision? |
villaman
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... You've proved us all wrong Randy, we loved you, us fans were so proud to have a chairman who came in did things the proper way.. You; 1. Improved our training facilities. 2. Employed great coaches for the young lads to come through the ranks. 3. Invested your OWN Money, to try and better us. 4. Rebuilt the Holte Pub and other surrounding buildings in the area, to bring alittle pride back and most all of dignity to the area. 5. But MOST of all you gave us hope, hope that maybe one day we could play in the champions league, maybe one day lift a cup again. But by doing this your undoing all your hard work, undoing all that loyal support you built up, splitting us fans straight down the middle... I don't mean to disrespect Mcliesh, he may very well be a great manager and a great man. But I don't think his style and his approach would benefit Villa. His undoing everything Houllier tried to implement, it will undo the whole ethos of Aston Villa football club, this appointment isn't meant to be. His managed our bitter rivals for a start and got them relegated twice. I know we are a F I CKLE bunch, but we are your biggest stakeholders, listen to us on this one, don't appoint Mcliesh, give it time widen the search and find a young manager who can finish what Houllier started.. I'll always be Villa, its in my blood in my heart. Do it for us Randy, show us were not wrong, and that you really are the man we always knew you were. On behalf of all Villa fans. |
DanWilson82
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... For anyone saying we must support no matter what because thats our job as fans... full credit to you, but I actually think you do more damage to the club than the people that stand up for what they believe. If we all just stood back and applauded regardless god knows where we would be in life. |
Bahamavillan
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... Vision.....British backbone to the club. A club that is hard to beat. Someone that gives young players a chance. Someone that fits with our formation (4-5-1). Someone who has the balls to deal with some of the pessimists on this website. Someone who will sort out Dunne and Collins and get us playing as a team. Someone who will get us to play possession football......... |
cypriotvilla
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... DaveAV1 said: 0 ... All of you who aren't going to renew, are going to send back your season tickets, are never going to set foot in Villa Park again etc etc you don't get it and never will. This isn't the theatre or the pictures, this is Aston Villa. Sometimes it'll be painful, sometimes fantastic. You don't go only when you like the film or the play, you're not a critic you're a fan. We're Aston Villa, we're a family. Sometimes the family screws up. Sometimes they do things that drive you mad and make you want to scream. So what do you do when things aren't good? Turn against your family? Attack and ridicule members of your family? Give up on them? Reject them?? Well if that's what you do then you never were and never will be a member of the family. I've seen us in the 3rd division when my Dad started taking me to Villa Park, I was in Rotterdam and I've experienced everything between all the highs and lows. When we were in the 3rd division we had the 4th highest attendances in the country. That's what I grew up with, that's my Aston Villa Agree with you entirely,as i have supported Villa since 3rd division days.After witnessing the Championship and European win,seen some glorious nights.I ALSO seen some rubbish,Graham Turner,Billy Mcneil who got us relegated.Lets see what happens in the transfer market.If Mcleish is the new man,Foster will follow,maybe Dann and hopefully a big centre forward,who can feed Bent and add height to our forward line. |
.vogra
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... AM has got some grapefruits, he is risking it all, he wants the job...look at friggin grief he's going to get. I want to make this clear now, I respect all your opinons, and especially the fans who travel miles and miles for games... Was he my first choice..fcuk NO... But would he sort our cry baby team out?...fcuk yes he would.. I dont give a flying fcuk he managed blues, we're bigger than them knuckledraggers... I'll tell you what makes me laff, people say lets sign Foster,Dann and Johnson and we'll sack him.. Could you imagine them three at the start of last season instead of . friedel,collins and dunne... Lets not kill this guy before he comes guys... |
DanWilson82
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...Fatkevs, other than the relegation and the fact he managed the scum, what else is wrong with Mcleish? Seriously? you need more? Where are you happy finishing in the league may I ask? |
mon 4-5-1
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...DanWilson82 said: Spot on. I will cancel my Sky Sports and ESPN accounts – just cannot handle watching any football in the coming season – have no interest. No more trips to away grounds when AVFC are in town down south. It is a total and utter disgrace to that we are even contemplating interviewing this guy, let alone give him the job. Have the board lost the marbles, or are we now in a process of selling are assets, make the books look good, before selling the club. Mr Lerner and Co, what is it that McLeish has achieved in his marvellous career, that you are willing to break the club for? What message is this going to send to the players before a ball has even been kicked? What player in there right mind would want to join us, when he knows the absolute contempt Villa fans hold for McLeish? |
Fatkevs
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... How many Goals did they score, attractive football The noses hate him leaving but glad he is coming to relegate us lets wait till the end of the season I renewed today my support is there for the club even if Randy Pandy & loopey loo piss it up the wall I hope Randy looses £ms the tosser AVFC will rise again after him |
Bahamavillan
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... Dan Wilson, We are not saying we want him here. I would much rather Moyes or Coyle. All I'm asking for is that we give him a CHANCE. If it doesn't work out, then call for his head. The easy way out is to slag him off now because he was manager of B'ham. Plus, he's not our manager right now. He may very well be 1 of 5/6 managers being interviewed. SO who would you like? Ancelotti? Mourinho? Mancini? Hell we may aswell throw in Fergie and Wenger. Why not Villa Boas for good measure. Or how about that Frenchman Deschamps that walks out to 60,000 fans every match, and take part in Champions League football. You are under false pretenses my friends. Moyes, Coyle and Mcleish are more our level right now. I would like a foreign appointment, but this board favours PL experience. |
DanWilson82
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... Just got to also say... Isn't it always better to walk away at the top of your game? If Randy has realised that he cannot break top 4 because it creates too much of a financial burden then thanks for everything you have done, but we will NEVER accept a mid table finnish as the norm for this club. Search out some big investors and put us in good hands. You will leave a hero, i'd prefer to remember you that way, not as the bloke that employed the scums x manager, got us relegated then sold us for half of what we were purchased for. |
Fatkevs
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...Someone who will get us to play possession football......... Have you ever watched a football game |
hathers
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... I wont return my season ticket if Mcleish is hired. He's definitely not the right choice in my opinion. The big question is. Where are Aston Villa going? The appointment just shows to me lack of ambition. Also i question Lerner as a chairman. This whole manager search has been a complete utter mess. |
Bahamavillan
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... They couldn't score goals because Zigic was injured for large chunks of the season. Plus they had more and more injuries piling up. How many goals did we score when our whole team was injured, and prior to Bent's signing? |
Bill
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... Motherwell 1994–1998 Scottish Premier Division runners-up (1): 1994–95 Hibernian 1998–2001 Scottish First Division winners (1): 1998–99 Scottish Cup runners-up (1): 2001 Rangers 2001–2006 Scottish Premier League winners (2): 2002–03, 2004–05 Scottish Premier League runners-up (2): 2001–02, 2003–04 Scottish Cup winners (2): 2002, 2003 Scottish League Cup winners (3): 2002, 2003, 2005 Birmingham City 2007–2011 Football League Championship runners-up (1): 2008–09 Football League Cup winners (1): 2010-11 Are you stupid? Of course this is a bad record. There are only two teams that compete for the Scottish League title. To win it two years out of five is obviously a failure. How can anyone come up with a different interpretation? You may notice that though he was in charge there for five years he won the league twice and finished second twice. That leaves one year where they finished outside the top two, for the first time in twenty years. That is a complete catastrophe. Won the first division with Hibs isn't an achievement. They had to beat teams like Stranraer. A town of fewer than ten thousand people for f*** sake. Wolves seem to have managed two years in a row in the top flight. Also look at Stoke, Wigan and others have maintained prem status on little money. People trying to excuse blues relegations because they've not got much money. The point is it doesn't saying anything positive at all about Alex McLeish. That is bad! This is the f***ing future of our club we're talking about. This man has no where near the record we should be looking for. I'll be devastated if this joke of a manager is appointed. |
Fatkevs
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... Biggest Home Win2-0 Blackpool, 2-0 Sunderland Biggest Away WinBlackpool 1-2, West Ham United 0-1 Heaviest Home Defeat0-3 Arsenal Heaviest Away DefeatManchester United 5-0, Liverpool 5-0 Highest Aggregate ScoreStoke City 3-2, Manchester United 5-0, Liverpool 5-0 Current Win Sequence 0 games Current Unbeaten Sequence 0 games Longest Win Sequence 2 games: at West Ham United, Stoke City Longest Unbeaten Sequence 4 games: at Manchester City, Chelsea, at Fulham, Tottenham Hotspur Current Losing Sequence 3 games: at Newcastle United, Fulham, at Tottenham Hotspur Current Winless Sequence 6 games: at Chelsea, at Liverpool, Wolverhampton Wanderers, at Newcastle United, Fulham, at Tottenham Hotspur Longest Losing Sequence 3 games: at Newcastle United, Fulham, at Tottenham Hotspur Longest Winless Sequence 6 games: at Chelsea, at Liverpool, Wolverhampton Wanderers, at Newcastle United, Fulham, at Tottenham Hotspur |
DanWilson82
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... Bahamavillan actually after the excitement of Ancelotti died, my preferred choice was Coyle and still is. I think he offers a good mix of youth and ambition. I'm not after anything fancy and can understand many may disagree with that appointment but to a far lesser extent than the frankly ridiculous appointment of McLeish. You could not write this sh*t. |
mon 4-5-1
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... Seriously for the likes of Droyd and Vital_Loans – we globally have a host of managers we could have picked from, but instead we pick a manager who even if resources are to be considered, played awful football. Let’s put it this way; Wigan have far less resources than the Clowns, yet they managed to play better football and stay in the league. |
Bill
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... Who the hell would want him! he belongs in the second division. What sort of spell has he cast that makes people think he's even half decent. Jesus Christ. I'm furious. |
Bobby Knows His Stuff
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... To to even interview him is stupid . Makes no sense on any level. Deeply unpopular with fans due to time with Blues , has a worse record in Prem than Mick McCarthy , might have to cough up some money to Blues - or least theyll be some form of legal battle. Is such an average manager whos presided over such awful negative antifootball worth it? No. Is even an interview worth it? No. |
Bahamavillan
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...Have you ever watched a football game Ferguson and Gardner can pass the ball a bit. Don't just focus on B'ham. Look at his teams at Motherwell, Hibernian and Rangers. Possession football. 1994-95 season Mcleish took Motherwell to 2nd in the SPL. That is a GREAT achievement. And for the record, I've been a villa fan since the age of four. Left the UK when I was 7 and have lived in the Bahamas and Australia. In Australia i played representative football in State football competitions. Had aspirations of professional football until I got Osgood Sclatters disease in my knee. I'm probs more qualified to speak objectively about football than you, Fatkevs. |
Bahamavillan
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...There are only two teams that compete for the Scottish League title. Except he took Motherwell to 2nd in the 1994-1995 season |
Bill
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... "1994-95 season Mcleish took Motherwell to 2nd in the SPL. That is a GREAT achievement." I made a lovely lasagne in 1994. Its gone very mouldy now. |
Luckynumber7
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... I haven't been through every post, and this may well have been mentioned already... How exactly have we gone from interviewing one of the most exciting young managers in the game, to someone who is neither young nor exciting? The general chats about taking a considered approach but this seems scattergun to me. |
jc30
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... You know what amazes me the most about this forum, is the fact that Villa fans on here are getting angry, arguing with each other and making threats to not renew their season ticket before anything has been done. FFS, get a grip the lot of u, see who is appointed first then u can spout ur mouths off! |
Fatkevs
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... Bahamas and Australia Great Football nations Regular down VP aswell i guess enough said |
Bond
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... Give him some credit where its due. RL is showing good leadership right now (in the face of all the flak), rightly or wrongly he will take it on the chin like all good leaders do if it fails. Everybody on here thinks they could make better decisions then the manager or chairman, myself included. Lerner has bought into that right of making decisions as a chairman. He comes accross as a true fan and that is all that matters to me, he really cares. This is a chairman who turned his nose up to a shirt sponsor for a year, improved the training facilities, invested tons of his own personal wealth. Thank your lucky stars our club is not run by some debt ridden scab. By christ if things were to go tits up under McCleish I know RL would make a move. People on here talk like its the end of the world. Those planning to tear up your tickets on some emotional wim do so...See yer. COME ON THE VILLA!! |
Bahamavillan
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...I made a lovely lasagne in 1994. Its gone very mouldy now. First Scottish team to make last 16 of champs league since 1993.... |
Chrisodon
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... What a bunch of w****rs some of you really are, Go f**k off and support another club. What good is a protest going to do ?? Other than tar us and our club with a s**tty reputation it had years ago of us being f****e. So we've all bitched and moaned about every f**ker linked with our great club. The Wally with the brolly doesn't look so bad now does he ?. I'll sing Mcleish's name if he manages our club. Because he joined Villa and knowing the amount of s**t he'll get is amazing but he's willing to take it on and i really admire that. Also MON did well for us but some of you are idiots when it comes to him, Yes he got us 6th, big woop it's no f**king different than finishing 9th really is it ?. because we did nothing in europe we'd be aswel as not being in the tournament. Last thing, How can some of you call for lerner to leave ?. Where do you all think we'd be without him seriously ?. In this current premier league climate we'd be sitting where bolton or blackburn are or worse. Some of you need to get a grip. Sorry for all the language but some people on here really irk me. |
Bill
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... So we should just be quiet and wait to see what happens? Were you by any chance involved in regulating the banking system in 2007? |
Fatkevs
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... How many games did Randy get to at VP last year Less than 10 we owed £70m loans etc that is not Debt free |
Bahamavillan
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... Fatkevs, Sorry what level of football do/did you play? You never answered my question. I am at uni in Edinburgh and get down to VP whenever I can. As soon as I get a job and can afford it, I will be a season ticketholder, don't you worry. It's sad when you question your fellow villa fan's loyalty. Turning on your own kind. Also, please stop the swearing/trash talk. Has no place on this website and should be blocked immediately whenever anyone uses it. |
mon 4-5-1
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...Bahamavillan said: Yep they finished 15 points behind Rangers, whilst the only other major team in the league(Celtic) finished fourth as they were going through a mini-crisis. So in the genreal scheme of things,not as fantastic as you make out i am afraid. |
Bahamavillan
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... I think if anyone takes Motherwell to 2nd in the SPL should receive credit where it's due. |
Fatkevs
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... A lot of false promises there like Randy I have been following the Villa over 46yrs home and away until last season You are a fan not a supporter, it only counts when you are in it |
Bill
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... In the 2005 2006 champions league Rangers scraped there way through to the last sixteen with one win. At home to a Porto team devastated at the loss of Mourinho and half their team to Chelsea. Rangers failed to beat artmedia bratislava at home. Frankly it was only down to the luck of the group they drew that they got through to grind out a horrible draw in Villareal where they were totally over-run but somehow didn't concede twenty. |
Bond
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... When fellow fans question others loyalty it means they have nothing more worth saying. COME ON THE VILLA!! |
Bahamavillan
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... Fatkevs, I'm ashamed you are a villa fan for criticising your own kind. Shame on you. And as you never replied to my questions, I take it you have spent the majority of your time sitting in the lounge watching football, rather than playing it. Do you know what you are talking about? |
pprid
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... i have said a lot of things tonight i am not proud of, just glad i didnt put it on the net |
Fatkevs
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... I have worked all my life & gave up many things to follow my team That is the difference between an Armchair Fan & a Supporter Unless you have tasted the glory & defeat you can never really know It is a life choice to move away so you do not follow your team |
Bill
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... Bahama Villa next you'll be telling us we should admire the way McLeish bumbled his way to the carling cup last season. The only decent thing you can say for him is that he can organize a defence. If he wants to come in as defensive coach i'd be sort of ok with that. |
Bahamavillan
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... This is a time to stick together fellow villans! Don't let people like Fatkevs question your loyalty to our great club. He is only tearing our club apart. We are all in this together. We need to support Randy Lerner, the players, the chairman and each other. If people want to rip up their season tickets, then go. We are better off without you. Lets unite and turn VP into a place where teams dread to go. Back the manager whoever it is! This is our club, don't destroy it. UP THE VILLA!!!!!! |
Bahamavillan
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... Bill, don't get me wrong, Mcleish is not my first choice. But if he is our manager, let it be. We must support him. If we don't, we could possibly go into freefall and get relegated. We have to back our new manager. It's ridiculous that we're calling for his head before he's appointed. |
Deano avfc
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... fatkevs you are by far and away the biggest to55er ive ever had the pleasure seeing on this blog. everything you say is utter garbage. i bet you havent even got a season ticket or go to the games you massive gobs**te UTV |
mon 4-5-1
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...Bahamavillan said: Motherwell along with Hearts and Hibernian form the next group of teams behind Celtic and Rangers. So I the general scheme of things, if one of the big two have a mini-crisis then, I do not see it as a big achievement to be honest – they (Motherwell) finished 15 points behind Rangers; And by the way, Hibernian finished third in that year, should we be interviewing there manager for that time as well? |
Bill
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... Bahamavillain What sort of mentalist are you? Sounds like you'll take it any way they like to give it to you and you'll just say you like it. This is not the sort of view i can think coming from people i know in Holte End. Why don't you actually try thinking about whats good for the club? Must be the Bahamian sun doing things to your brain. |
Bond
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... Sorry we must make the distinction between supporter and fan A support supports the club in some way like a service or buys tickets/merchantdise reguraly. A fan sits on the sidelines whering his AV shirt cheering in front of a telly on matchdays and can only name the first team!! Never goes to VP, can't name the chairman. Please lets not have this argument. The very fact we are on a blog sharing our views show that we are all supporters who care about the situation at hand. Also being a season ticket holder does qualify somebody as a greater supporter. I , like Bahamavillan, would love to live closer and purchase a season ticket. |
Fatkevs
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... Bahamavillan your points are Valid if you do noy go to the game But i strongly believe you have to attend to be a supporter & real have the right to say something By the way i was a s**t player so what, it never stopped me playing & i had no interest in rugby or cricket so more minus points in your eyes |
Bahamavillan
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... Bond, thanks. I have an interview for a job in London next wednesday. If I get it I'm going to get a season ticket. It's purely down to money. I cannot afford £480 a season as a student. I'm willing to commute from London to Birmingham to watch villa play. That's commitment. It's very upsetting that people launch personal attacks on this website when we should be discussing the issues at hand. |
Fatkevs
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...Sorry we must make the distinction between supporter and fan Just because seen a bird on page 3 does not make her your girfriend The same applies to being a supporter, you may love the girl but that is it |
Bond
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... HAHA Stop the whining McCleish is coming, lets get prepared fellas!! RL is showing good leadership at this point. See you all at the first game.... COME ON THE VILLA |
mon 4-5-1
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... Bahamavillan - I commend you for your positivity, but I feel at this current time bitterly let down by the club (Board). I go to work surrounded by Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Everton fans. Even Everton fan, a club who have no money to spend, feels sorry for what Villa fans are having to go through at this current time. We are the laughing stock at the moment, with a chairman to be honest, who by the looks of it, does not have a clue about football; or could not careless about the fans. |
Nike
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... Lot wanting to hear from Damian lol I may be wrong but for some reason i think he will actually be happy about this I just think if he was against this he would have commented Doubt he will help protest this probably tell us we are all wrong to protest lol |
Fatkevs
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... Bahamavillan dont get so techy son you like i set your own criteria, remember you have been brought up in a media world i has a crystal radiio My generation are much more hand on unless you phisically do something it not real Wait till you have been going for a few decades tasted relegation, still travel home & away when others spend money on hols & beer rather than attend You may then understand how it feels |
Bill
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... There's nothing positive about supporting any old appointment. It has well been said that we are the club. We should talk critically about who should be managing the team. Coming on and saying just take anything the bosses are good enough to give us shows you've not bothered to think about it properly |
Bond
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... Fatkev. Your one of those fellas that secretly beleives no one, nobody is as passionate about the club as you. Gritting your teeth at games clenching your fists when Gabby starts making that run. Lauching wave after wave of abuse at any decision that goes against us. Singing proudly, worrying about the future of the club. Hoping we can go far in cup compitions. Shelling out £s on tickets/merchantdise season after season. Were all with you mate, your not alone... COME ON THE VILLA |
Faccundo
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... Saw this coming over two years ago - the assets stripping, the shady family trusts, secured related party debts, internal transfers and most importantly the LIES I caught you Liar Lerner. At least supporters have been cured of Lerneritis. Where is the secret plan? Fat Faulkner OUT General PR OUT LIAR LERNER OUT |
Bahamavillan
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... Nike, I agree. Although I think he said he wasn't going to comment until we appoint a new manager. Might be another 6 weeks then I kinda wish we had a footballing General Manager. Not someone who interferes with the manager's job, but someone who can liaise with the fans and have a real influence on matters such as the appointment of a new manager. Someone who has played for villa and is villa through and through. |
Bond
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... HAHAHA hathers, I dont care. Unleash the McCeish.....If we must! COME ON YOU VILLA!!! |
Falmouth Villan
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... I am seriously hoping that talking to mcleish is just more smoke to fudge the sparky senario thinking it through, the clowns dont have the cash to get into a legal battle with us but Al Fyed certainly does really really hope i am right, if not then i would advise all our decent players to get a transfer now because its gonna be s**te next season! If the board persist with this outrageous notion then they FULLY deserve loads of personal abuse next season. And no i am not failing in supporting my team i am villa till i die but i have no time for anybody that thinks MY club is a financial plaything. Villa are and always will be bigger than one man! U.T.V....N2MCL (NO TO MCLEISH) |
mon 4-5-1
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... Apparently McLeish is taking the Clowns to a tribunal! Now is Lerner and Co thick, have we not been through the same process with a certain incumbent who almost ruined our club. I just do not understand it. |
Bahamavillan
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... Fatkev, you may not believe it but I am villa through and through. Quite frankly i don't care if you don't believe me. I just don't think it's fair to criticise others when we, as SUPPORTERS, should stick together. Bill, I'm not saying we should back anyone. Discussion is good. And Mcleish is not my favourite, I've said that time and time again. But if he's appointed and we jump on his back before he even walks through the tunnel to the pitch, what hope do we have? If that happens, it's quite possible we could be in the Championship the year after next. |
Bond
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... No. Nothing like that Bahamavillan. As hard as it appears a ship has to be guided by a captain. Otherwise it just becomes fuzzy nonsense. Tonight there is an element of leadership bubbling after the recent flak VILLA VILLA VILLA |
Fatkevs
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... Bahamavillan your coming round to my way of thinking but not as extreme re wish we had a general manager or Board for Day to Day Running so we do not loose sponsors and get shirts on time etc perhaps because you played football at state level you know more than anyone else goodnight up at 5am |
Falmouth Villan
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... DAN WILSON... "For anyone saying we must support no matter what because thats our job as fans... full credit to you, but I actually think you do more damage to the club than the people that stand up for what they believe." Absolutly the most sensible comment on here in the last couple of days...well said mate! U.T.V. N2MCL If we all just stood back and applauded regardless god knows where we would be in life. |
Bahamavillan
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... Maybe not a General Manager. But maybe some sort of football ambassador. Someone to build relationships with clubs abroad. Someone that can try and develop our brand on both a national and international level. That's the only way we can bring in the type of revenue we need to push on. And then when times get tough, that football ambassador can liaise with the fans and communicate effectively with us. When it comes to appointing a manager, that same football ambassador leads the search for the new manager. A man that has played for villa and is villa through and through. Maybe Lerner will do this in time. It could be too early. What I see at villa is a club trying to bring through youth players, a club that has invested into Bodymoor Heath, bridged relations with Acorns, provided funds to players. This could be just the start of Lerner's project. |
mon 4-5-1
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...... True, but if you don't ask or expect, you don't get in life either! |
Bond
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... We have a footballing ambassador already in Ian Taylor although I do not know what the ins and outs are with that job exactly. We certainly could do with somebody who can open up a greater scouting network abroad (and here!) VILLAVILLAVILLA! |
Bond
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... HA HA.........Bloody well hope not!! Goodnight all UP THE VILLA (say it like it is, none of this UTV b0llox!) |
Nike
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... Yes we have every right to protest because WE care about our club more than any owner ever could Anyone tells you don't have that right are just two faced as they come i bet they had a different opinion of Mcleish last season now all of sudden some like him you don't get more two faced than that I wonder if Randy realises the damage he will do if Mcleish is hired Straight away fans will be divided some will like him most will hate him Keep us as 1 Randy and hire someone that likes to play attacking football unlike Mcleish who is by a clear country mile the most defensive manager i have ever seen |
cypriotvilla
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... From a scum point of view..... bunty says: June 13, 2011 at 23:08 Eck going really is just the start to be honest I dont care if he goes to villa or any club for that matter ive got sneaky feelin we as loyal fans are been dragged into a stupid ” we’ve been betrayed” battle by this board of amateurs who sadly own our club.. with respect to villa there run by a legit businessman who wouldn’t dare drop this on his club the bad press would kill them.. mcleish isn’t a top manager period we won a cup brilliant now were relegated again the cup was happy day out there’s many more bad ones on the way. Look further than this mcleish farce more serious things going on here Portsmouth is springing to mind |
.vogra
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... McKleish was limited with Blues, how the fcuk were they going to play counter attacking football with Bowyer and Ferguson...i'll tell u now,l id rather have had Bowyer in midfield than Petrov |
Nike
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... Come on Damian you don't have to be like Aston MI5 Villa You can communicate with us we don't bite |
walshy
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... bahamavillan, You dont half talk some sh**e!!!! Your constant baffling drivel is astounding, You have even gone as far as to predict the future of who Mcleish will bring in. N'zogbia, Adam and Foster i belive you said you will be happy with. Then you follow it up with "Then maybe a wow signing to get fans on board". what "wow" player in their write mind would want to come and play for a manager who has the worst offensive record over the last two year with the least amount of shots and goals ratio per game! Also you add "Someone that fits with our formation (4-5-1)." . He plays 4-5-1 because he is a tatical moron, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea(pre torres days) and Everton to name but a few play with a so called 1 Striker but seem to fair a little better. Your consant splurge of nonsence and love of a certian manager makes me belive you are either a blue nose or Alex Mcleish's agent. If we just except that we cant make a difference to the things we love and just take whatever the hierarchy say's than nothing would ever get done in this world! |
DaveAV1
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... Fatkevs I think in general I disagree with about 90% of what you say, nah probably more like 95%. However you renewed today, I renewed last week and always will. So as far as I'm concerned you ain't such a bad lad after all. Villa 'til I die |
Alex
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... Just a continuation of the slide that began a couple of years back, when the club was seemingly going swimmingly and all looked bright and rosy. First we had the Barry saga, which on reflection was the first sign that all was not well behind the scenes. What I detected here was yet again outside influences trying to blow us off track. With that seemingly sorted we then had another bombshell when Milner played his face and since then it's all been going steadily downhill. Villa have been well and truly gutted again, with the spirit ripped out of the playing staff and Young now quite naturally wanting away. Clubs like Villa are really just the patsys for the so called elite. We will never be able to challenge unless we play extreme hard ball and just refuse to be cowed into submission by them. Number one policy change. We should tell all our top players that none of them will ever be again sold by us to another Prem club. They can walk away at the end of a contract if they like but we will never sell. If this keeps top players from ever signing for us again, so much the better. There are only so many clubs that they can go to in any case. Next policy would be to get all our promising younger players on 5 year contracts with options to review once they have two years left. All who refuse to sign will be told that this will be taken as a indication that they want to leave and no further negotiations will be conducted. Conversely they can assume that if the club does not come to them they will be let go when their contract expires. Everyone will know where they stand. Agents will have their minds totally focussed when dealing with us and be told that the club has a strict wage structure and it will not negotiate with any of their clients outside the window of two years remaining on their client's contract. This will also concentrate the minds of any player as well as he will know thatthe moment he plays his face this will be effectively burning his bridges with the club. Since the club will no longer compete in the transfer market for top players the emphasis whould then be entirely concentrated on developing our own in any case or buying in kids. Long term the club will benefit and it'll have a positive effect, because players will know that if they don't sign a renewal of contract if asked by the club this will automatically be assumed by the club that they want away and it will be looking to replace them pronto. No more brinkmanship. No more protracted negotiations and no more tedious summers at Villa Park. All the fans will be happier as they will know where they stand with respect to their clubs player's wishes. This in my opinion is the only way a club like Villa will ever be able to protect itself from predators constantly trying to derail us. |
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