Written by Damian Monday, 14 December 2009 13:38
Afternoon all, nice post that from Doc earlier wasn't it. Now, leaving Arthurian legend, we turn to facts and we have a few of them today, which I think you will find quite interesting.
You see, I was putting together the post-mortem and I stumbled upon a few statistics which put a smile on my face and thought I'd share them with you. There is another coming up in the post-mortem which you will all like, but that will come probably tomorrow or I might do a two in one after the Sunderland game.
Now, the title was aimed at giving it away and I hope it has, but I am here to prove my case and my case is this; Richard Dunne, according to the Actim Index, is the fifth best defender in the league with a combined points tally of 211 - which also classes him as the 25th best player in the league.
But it isn't just about Dunne. Carlos Cueller, according to the Actim Index is the fourth best defender in the league with 215 points, which also makes him 22nd best player in the league. Above them you will find Thomas Vermaelen, Patrice Evra and Ashley Cole. You can see the list here.
But that isn't really where it ends. James Collins, who came back from injury as a substitute against Manchester United at the weekend is also on the list in 78th place overall with 158 points. Should he take back the central defensive role alongside Richard Dunner, I have a feeling he'll start climbing that list and should feature, in the not too distant future, alongside his partner.
Aston Villa Players in Actim Top 100
- 5th: Gabby Agbonlahor - 254 points
- 16th: Ashley Young - 228 points
- 20th: James Milner - 220 points
- 22nd: Carlos Cueller - 215 points
- 25th: Richard Dunne - 211 points
- 35th: Brad Friedel - 192 points
- 78th: James Collins - 158 points
- 79th: Moustapha Salifou - 150 points
- 97th: Stephen Warnock - 147 points
- 98th: John Carew - 146 points
Top 10 Keepers
- 2nd: Brad Friedel
Top 10 Defenders
- 4th: Carlos Cueller
- 5th: Richard Dunne
Top 10 Midfielders
- 4th: Ashley Young
- 6th: James Milner
- 24th: Moustapha Salifou
Top 10 Strikers
- 4th: Gabby Agbonlahor
Now, compare these numbers with the ones from September 29th and there is a nice improvement all round. How long before Aston Villa have all eleven in the top 100?
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Villa_Chris
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... Woooo yeahhh! Now thats the kind of post we've been waiting for from you Damo!   |
vivavilla
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... What is particularly pleasing is that 4th & 5th best defender is actually misleading. They are infact the 2nd & 3rd best rated centre backs in the league behind only Vermaelen. |
johnnyuk
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... We've also got more players in the overall top 25 than any other prem league team... |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...They are infact the 2nd & 3rd best rated centre backs in the league behind only Vermaelen. Best defensive partnership in the league even if we have one of them out because we have three of them!!! Way to go O'Neill! Remember that Martin tried to get Vermaelen too when he was relatively unknown in the summer. Our manager is f**king genius. |
B6_Bob
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... How good is that? Best central defenders, awesome full backs, docs post about our magic midfield and gabby giving us the winner against man utd. Our entire team is incredible. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Chiefy, Carlos is wicked, but he couldn't get in the team ahead of Davies last season. Does this not say something in Davies favour when he comes back? I don't know why you dislike him so much. I'm startingt to think it's just because he enjoys a pointless interview. |
Geoff
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... Just goes to show that this really is a good team when they are motivated and used properly. Seeing the way they lined up on Saturday, it told me MON was going for the win, and that they would play positive football. Which was refreshing to see out of them. Maybe he has finally seen the light and will use that starting lineup all the time. |
tommy_villa
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... Just found this... http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/sport/warnock-a-doubt-for-villa-438249.html Could be a pain in the arse but it looks like cuellar will move out wide and l.young will go left-back with collins filling in. Perhaps Collins will start climbing the OPTA rankings on tuesday. |
Chiefy
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... JPA -- his attitude stinks, the way he started to kick of about a new contract stinks i take onboard everything anyone has to say in his defence but i just dislike the guy sorry, no rational reason just instant dislike for him |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...JPA -- his attitude stinks, the way he started to kick of about a new contract stinks i take onboard everything anyone has to say in his defence but i just dislike the guy sorry, no rational reason just instant dislike for him Fair enough, I think he is going ot be a massive player for us, I also think that the contract thing was blown up by the papers a little. When he comes back I can see a lot of people having to eat their words about Curtis Davies. I also think he is at heart a nice guy, a bit dumb but altogether a nice enough bloke. He'll come good and I think he'll be at Villa for quite a while. People say he's not prepared to sit on the bench, well if he plays well enough he won't have to. If you are playing well then you get in the team, that's how Martin works. He might have no choice but to play him. Remind me never to get on the wrong side of you Chiefy  Your mate the Mule had a good one at the weekend, I thought he was excellent first half and really gave us an out in the final third. Defenders really can't handle it when he come slumbering towards them throwing himself up in the air arse first trying to win headers! Awesome. |
Damian
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... Chiefy i'm putting my head on the block here and letting something out of the bag, although i'm not getting specific, but the contract thing with curtis was blown completely out of proportion - the story ran with very specific snippets to create a story davies will be a star for villa and he is completely committed to the club ... although that is as of today - we all know things can change in football |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...davies will be a star for villa and he is completely committed to the club ... All last season he was Mr. Aston Villa as far as the media were concerned, and beside Laursen he looked pretty good. If he gets back to that and a bit of Dunnes 'Irish Madness' rubs of on him he could be one of the best we've had. Many fail to see it, but I know you do Damian. He has all the natural physical attributes to do very well, and at 24 he has the potential to go on and really turn himself into a legend. Dunne will start thiunking about retiring at about 34/35. Cuellar will be 33ish and Collins will be 30/31. Davies will be 29 in the peak of his career with years experience playing with the others who are all excellent in subtley different ways. Clark will be 25 and a first teamer if he progresses well. The squad is geared up for not just this season, but the next ten seasons with a mixture of quality young and old. I don't see why anyone would want to get rid of Davies. |
Damian
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... SidCowanslovechild i was just playing by putting in salifou .. he hasn't picked up any points |
Villa_Chris
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...davies will be a star for villa I will be pleasantly surprised if this turns out to be true. Not going to start that debate again though! |
Villa_Chris
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...i was just playing by putting in salifou Well that was very silly of you..... We all know that if he would be in the list, he'd be 1st! Isn't that right Chiefy?!? |
SidCowanslovechild
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... Got me there, I presumed it was some bizarre stats thing due to International or Reserve passing and tacking but needless to say - just me being gullible |
vivavilla
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... It's going to be hard for Davies to become a bit part player, let alone a star. When he's back to fitness he'll be 4th on the depth chart. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...When he's back to fitness he'll be 4th on the depth chart. Things can change very quickly in football. A few good performances in the reserves and a suspension/injury to someone could very easily see him back in the side. We will need all hands to the pump if we are going to achieve this year. |
DanWilson82
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...Slifou ahead of anyone at all, how, i must be reading this wrong Sid - didn't you see the way he bossed Giggs and Rooney at Old Trafford on Saturday evening, the guy is class. Shame his Wiki page is locked due to repetative vandalism or I'd show him some love on there. |
ak_27
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...Things can change very quickly in football. A few good performances in the reserves and a suspension/injury to someone could very easily see him back in the side. We will need all hands to the pump if we are going to achieve this year The thing is had we played Utd with Davies in the team im 100% certain we would not have left Old Trafford with a point never mind a win. |
Maindog
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... I also think Davies will be massive for us in the future...He has got the best mentors in the league with Dunney, King Carlos and Collins....Lets hope they work their magic on young Clarke too and we may have our future defensive wall!!! I love how a season can change!...A couple of months ago I was a right depressed t**t, rapidly losing patience with MON. Now im over the moon and actually witnessing good football and points being won...Im still keeping my feet on the ground though, at the end of the day, as Villa fans, we've seen it all slip away before lads! |
DanWilson82
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... Charter - he was in a life partnership with Josh Fashanu a couple of months back, but the wiki mods didn't like that the biggots... |
Chiefy
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... Salifu is the main man and he would be first if he was even in the stats thats right Villa-Chris....  JPA - I can handle the stress EMULE brings to my life at the minute he has improved but is still an undoubted waste of space, talent and oxygen although he is playing better than he was so my EMULE rants are now limited |
Badger
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... I'm still backing Davies. I agree Chiefy, he does seem a bit gobby, but I really don't think there's any intent or nastyness in what he says. That contract thing was agent driven, iirc. I think you're being very harsh mate. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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...The thing is had we played Utd with Davies in the team im 100% certain we would not have left Old Trafford with a point never mind a win. Given the form he has shown whilst carrying an injury and playing alongside Zat Sh*te He actually had some pretty decent games fo rus and is unfairly being used as a scapegoat for our poor form at the beginning of the season. Had it been the other way round and Davies suddenly founf form and Cuellar was out injured the shoe would be on the other foot. He should be judged when he is back playing, not while he is stuck on the sidelines. He was a massive part of the win at Anfield and he was decent during pre season not to mention our awesome run this time last year when he and Laursen were excellent. |
Chater1703
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... I was a bit annoyed reading in the paper yesterday that the match report didn't give Carlos the praise he deserved. I feel that in recent weeks Carlos has been brilliant for us, everytime theres a block or a tackle to be made he's there for us. Must have a good squad now if we argue about who should play  |
ak_27
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... JPA he played for 2 seasons(beside a great defender) when he wasn't injured and this is what im basing this on not a few games at the start of this season. We haven't been really solid at the back until this season and i personally put a lot of that down to Davies not being a good defender. I really would fear we would start leaking goals again if he were to get picked ahead of any of our current CB's. He just lacks agression, ability to read the game and is a really poor player with the ball at his feet. He was a major contributor to the long ball football. |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... If ind it hard to sympathise when you believe that Knight was the better of the two. That wasn't the case and with Laursen and Davies we usually won and with Knight in the side we often lost. We are on course to concede roughly ten goals less than we usually do, but there have been other changes to the side that will have had an effect on this. i.e the introduction of Friedel last season as opposed to calamity Carson or bloody Kiraly and his pyjama trousers. The fact that we didn't have a recognised RB for a season and a half and also the fact that we were struggling to retain posession in midfield which often leaves the back four exposed. Davies needs to be given a chance to play his way into this new look team as I think he will do really well. His shortcomings are things that can be eradicated. Dunne is more than capable of giving him an aggressive cutting edge as a player and reading the game is something that he is definitely learning. He is better player than when he signed for us, I just think he's a sensitive lad who thrives on confidence. If he manages to get into the side he has the reward of a contract, the confidence gained from getting in ahead of someone else and he has a place in the England squad to play for if he starts performing. We will have to remember this for when he is fit as I would very much enjoy rubbing your nose in it. |
ak_27
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...We will have to remember this for when he is fit as I would very much enjoy rubbing your nose in it And when Calimity messes up i will also be having a few jibes at your good self. |
ak_27
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...Davies needs to be given a chance to play his way into this new look team At whose expense? |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Whoever isn't playing as well as him....he might not do it. I'm just saying he should be given the chance before we judge him. |
glynnder
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... I'm still rooting for Curtis! He'll be great, and Clark[e?] then we'll keep our incredible back two for years to come! |
beh
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... Davies is a few years away from his peak yet. Shown enough for me to be happy to keep him. dunne and collins are excellent now, a few years ago i might not have said that. |
wicklow villa
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...... ye sky sports as well didnt even put gabbys goal in there 6 of the best over the weekend,Its probably cause it was against the mighty man utd  |
ak_27
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... JPA fair enough (for now at least ) Benni McCarthy available in Jan. Worth a shout? I think he could do a good job for us. He seems to be one of those players who trive on moving to a new club and playing well before perhaps falling into a rut. He would want to play well with the WC coming up. I like him as a player and if the price was right which it probably will he could be a useful player. |
SidCowanslovechild
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... Chater, agree with that for me Cuellar has been the biggest revelation this season being a million miles better than rather average form last season and more of a suprise (to me at least) than Dunne, Collins and Warnock being more than tidy. Re the Davies debate, I think we just need to park it for now as we have been round the loop a 100 times. If he gets a decent chance this season then lets see how he does then |
SidCowanslovechild
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... Ak was about to disagree with you about Benni then finished reading, he is always brilliant when he signs then turns dogsh1te. So sign him on a short term contract ( 3 to 4 mnths) and you have a world beater! Bit like Graham Turner in the management game, every team he manages starts like the Brazil 1970 team then slowly turn rubbish, don't know why, maybe he's like one of those girlfriends that when you first meet seems really cool and sexy but when you get to know her more really annoy you and then you notice all her little faults and suddenly she seems ugly but she hasn't changed, you have! In the unlikely event my wife reads this, not you love, you get better every day |
fastbackace
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... JPA- cheify- u guys were talking about Keane and Bentley. i think u guys r spot on with those 2 good players, really push us on, and give us a bench worthy of pushing for a top 4. send some younger players out on loan to get first team action in fizzy pop league. one more player... man c's richards. pick him up for 10 mil... and we will be top 4 for sure! |
tubbydunne
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... It's simple really Dunne, Carlos and Collins are at the peak of their powers, Davies is still developing. When the above three are fit their is no question he is fourth choice, but with injuries and suspensions he is going to be required at some stage so lets hope his development speeds up under the tutelage of the three quality experienced center backs he has around him. There is no point getting rid of him, squad depth is vital if we want to crack the top four. |
kohoutek
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... Davies needs to stay with us if he can be convinced that he may have to wait to be a starter. Naturally, he'll get opportunities in training to make his case, although maybe not the cup games, given the numbers and perhaps importance of taking at least the League Cup seriously now. Always injuries, suspensions, etc., to give an opportunity. But I think learning from the players we've got will do him a world of good if he's willing to be patient. He may want to be off for starting football. That would be a shame because, as others have said, he could be well poised to step in in a couple years' time as a much better player, giving us a consistency at the back that's invaluable. Based on how Cuellar, Collins and Dunne have played, I honestly can't see him earning back a starting spot anytime soon, though. Cuellar is really finding his feet and defending brilliantly, and Collins and Dunne were instantly massive. Great problem to have. |
proxopera
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... Anyone else think that Van Nistelroy in particular, is the type of CF which would perfectly at Villa ? He'd have to take a drop in wages but cant see any other top 4 going for him and he would have an opportunity to spike Fergie! |
beh
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... Good shout for van nostrilboy. prefer him to owen, a bit younger too. Fee and wages might not appeal to mon though. Would he sit on the bench if not delivering ? 12-15 mil, 80g a week. can`t see it. If keane keeps playing badly, might be a good price. He`s bound to get a second wind before arthritis gets him. |
Stan Balaban
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... In the Actim team of the season: 4 x Chelsea 2 x Man U 2 x Arsenal 1 x Spuds 2 X ASTON VILLA!!!! In MON we trust!!! |
proxopera
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... Has'nt exactly been prolific and has'nt really got in the team for a while now but Real is a basket case , and I never thought his style would suit spanish football.He was prolific in England though and i dont think he'd cost much |
proxopera
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... Now that you say it Beh , I do kind of recollect him being a bit of a moany bollix towards the end at utd. Perhaps you're right. |
beh
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... Big Sam at blackburn rumoured to be keen. so van nostril might be in the clearance racks at madrid. let`s buy him before he does us in the 2nd leg semi at VP. |
bfastvilla
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... who is our highest paid player and how much is he on. Do we have a definite wage cap |
Nanwasafan
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... Apologies all for my prolonged absence. Villa's monumental victory at Old Trafford had rather a bad side effect. I got so drunk on Saturday night that I do not recall the vast majority of the evening. All I know is that thanks to Gabby and thre rest of Martin's heroes, I now have several strange torso bruises and a chipped front tooth. However, despite, the injuries today I marched into work a very proud man. 'Yes we can', anyone? |
Nanwasafan
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... Oh, and it appears to have messed up my spelling and punctuation too. Some sort of left brain injury as well I suspect? |
beh
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... Apparently s.warnock suffering with whiplash, insisted he`d never celebrate a win with nan again. Top earners, is it ash and downing ? 60k a week ? not sure ? |
Badger
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... Ash was on £56k, but I think it got upped to £64k??? I never got to hear about Downings wedge. Compare that to this list of 2 and a half years ago, before Citeh got in on the act; http://www.caughtoffside.com/2...al-have-1/ Nan, glad you're ok mate. Must have been a good night |
whitey09
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... i just thought id put in 2 words just how villa can make ur day,week,month ,yr,wateva! ive just returned from a holiday of a lifetime in the states in which i was away 4 15days & during that time i missed the games with spuds,pompey & hull,i returned feeling well down missing everything i did, the sun the theme parks the whole way of life ova there blew me away. i truley had the holiday blues,then i went me local 2 watch the game satday,i had a feeling we wud win as i sed on here before hand,i sat down ready 4 it then it came then we scored then half time then we grew sum bollocks then it ended then the euphoric feeling engulfed me knowing wat had just happened,then i realised i was bk home & that holiday was just that a holiday,apart from my children nuffink cud put me in a state of delirium as much as this thing called the villa,ive supported them all my life,a season ticket holder 4 20yrs & many more hopefully,weve waited 26yrs 4 satday 2 happen only villa can make it b that way,win lose or draw i'll follow them,villa till i die, utv. |
andy5759
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... Nan, so that was you that fell over then. Ah, all is becoming clear. It's a nice feeling being the "Lone Villan" in a pub full of ManU supporters when we win. To be fair to the Mancs, most of them came over to shake my hand, good sports. There were also a few pints in the stable for me! You lucky, lucky people who got to go. Keep your tickets and programmes to show your grandchildren in years to come. "I was there the day we....." shortly followed by "ooooh granddad, do we have to hear that story again, I want to hear the one about Reo-Coker again." |
Celtic_Villan
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... i really hope that young doesnt lose his place to accomodate collins, pushing cuellar out right it upsets the balace of the team completely and cuellar has very little go forward down the flank worse still, warnock is out, so young goes left and cualler right im pretty sure this will happen too id recall shorey |
r0bb0
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... Just to put things into perspective for tomorrow night. Sunderland are unbeaten at home in 7 games including wins against Liverpool and Arsenal. It's not going to be easy. I reckon Saturday's game against Stoke is the more important one. Anything from tomorrow's game is a bonus. |
Pancho Villan
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...id recall shorey difficult - he's said stuff in the press - but I know what you mean. He looked good enough against the red scouse imploders to warrant more of a look in than he got. Perhaps he should have been brough on as sub for the odd 20mins here and there to keep him sweet given we don't seem to have any other boum boum back up |
beh
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... A dunne`s irish madness is: 1 pint of guinness with a dbl jameson chaser on a bed of balti pie. You have to neck all that while stuffing michael owen in your back pocket: |
Greg Davillain1887
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... how the f**k is moutapha salifou on the list when has he ever played in the premier league this season???? |
Badger
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...difficult - he's said stuff in the press - but I know what you mean. He obviously has a problem with MON and has shot his bolt at Villa. He'll definite be gone. Shame, as I said he deserved another shot, but that's how it goes sometimes. Absolutely no qualms about Cuellar going RB though. His distribution isn't brill, I'd agree, but he can certainly defend. |
Scrumpy
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... If Warnock is out for a few games there are two realistic options.... Bring Beye in and sway Young to the other side. Beye was a little lax defending at start of season, but was good last time he played, and is very good getting forward (so provides balance with Luke on the other side). The other option is to move Cuellar out wide. Although Cuellar isn't as comfortable on the ball and doesn't get forward this isnt the end of the world. We effectively end up playing 3 at the back with Dunne, Collins Cuellar. Young pushes forward into midfield, meaning that Young and Petrov provide the cover in front of that back 3, and also cover the flanks, so it looks like Friedel Cuellar, Dunne, Collins Petrov Young Milner Young Downing Gabby Heskey/Carew Which would be 4132 defending and 3232 going forward...which I think would be very solid at the back and bloody exciting going forward. I'm sure Damien will try to argue its all a derivation of 451 |
Chiefy
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... Whitey09 said: weve waited 26yrs 4 satday 2 happen only villa can make it b that way,win lose or draw i'll follow them,villa till i die, utv. Now then whitey you mardy arse perhaps now you will stop being so pessimistic and be a bit more of an optimist when we are down the HALO GROUND, you havent brought the sweets to the game for a while !?!?!?!?!?! I have been telling you since the start of the season this season is different but you wouldn't believe me would you ?!?!?!?! You are mardy sometimes and i have to sit by you for 90mins so now perhaps you will cheer up shagington !!!! And start singing with fat timy mallet at the ASTON HOTEL |
Chiefy
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...Which would be 4132 defending and 3232 going forward...which I think would be very solid at the back and bloody exciting going forward. Think it was AK_27 who has decided we should be playing 4-4-4 now that formation has winners all over it |
tommy_villa
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... I'm not a huge fan of Cuellar at right back. He seems a bit slow in that kind of space and is much more comfortable in the thick of it (in the centre). According to a few websites though, he's only out for tuesday and will be back for the weekend. Cuellar will probably only have to fill in for one game. Then try to win his place back from Collins...he could find that tough. |
Chiefy
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... Collins needs to win his place back of Cuellar, as the stats show Cuellar is the 4th best defender in the league why would drop him ?? he is infront of Dunney |
Chiefy
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... Cuellar has not had the plaudits he deserves so far this season, I am a big fan of his and every game he goes about his job and does it really well, next to Dunney Carlos has been immense and even the actim index puts him one place in front of Dunney, now how good Dunney is has never been and should never be in question as it has been seen for many years, but Carlos on the other hand has come into our team played out of position, and done a very good job so much so that we now use him as a back up there, and when played in his preferred position he has been immense. Now stats don't lie so on that basis Carlos has been quality and it would be unfair on him for us to assume that COLLINS will walk back in to the team, I think Carlos has been a great signing and I hope he gets called up to the spanish squad for the world cup he deserves it the way he is playing. I hope the media start seeing what hopefully everyone else can and obviously the stat people do. In case you havent noticed i am a big fan of CUELLAR |
ak_27
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...I'm not a huge fan of Cuellar at right back. He seems a bit slow in that kind of space and is much more comfortable in the thick of it (in the centre). I agree with this 100%. He won't let us down if he did play RB but the team would lose vital balance. I would actually prefer Young to go LB and then play Beye at RB. I thought Beye had a very good game for us the last time he played and would like us to continue to play with 2 full backs even if one is on the wrong side. Chiefy Cullar has been top notch. Thats the guy that got Rangers to the UEFA cup final all on his own a few seasons ago that we are seeing right now. He may now also be getting some recognition back home as well : http://www.clubcall.com/aston-...91102.html  Probably a load of rubbish. |
Chiefy
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... I can see it being true but I can also see him staying with us he is in the best league in the world and he is the 4th best defender in that league. He wants to go to the world cup and if being the 4th best in the best league aint enough then playing with a load of pansy's in madrid wont work for him |
Chiefy
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... Its in the spanish press to mate front page stuff, he might be off come jan instead of Davies making way it could be Cuellar but it would only be his choice i reckon his girlfriend lives in spain so could be true ? |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... The Cuellar at RB debate is completely subjective. I'd play Beye against Arsenal and i'd play Cuellar against Sunderland and Stoke. I wonder if anyone can guess why. |
Chiefy
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... I have Cuellar as a friend on face book and his partner and friends want him to go to Madrid |
Juan Pablo Angel
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... Chiefy, Yes. and also because Beye has pace and is smaller with a lower centre of gravity and can turn. He would be better against players like Arshavin and Nasri, whereas with the physical presence of Kenwyne Jones and Bent and also the Giants at Stoke, i'd prefer just having a third CB on the pitch, which is what you effectively get with Cuellar in the side. Cuellar won't leave, he wants to play in the world cup and a transfer into a team where he will have to adjust and settle in all over again may be too much of a set back. It's taken him 18 months to settle here and he is now in the form of his life. He has more chance with Spain if he just knuckles down and gets on with it and carrys on playing like he has. I think he has a very good relationship with O'Neill and he's under contract anyway, slap a £20m price tag on him and the problem goes away. |
ak_27
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... JPA one day i would really love to be able to agree with you on something. I would do the exact opposite of that. I would opt (only if Young wasn't fit or covering LB) againest the top teams like Arsenal where we would be under the cosh for a lot of the game and where we would have far less of the ball and where having Cullar's extra defensive steel would be an advantage. Againest Sunderland and Stoke we would have far more of the ball and this would increase the importance of the RB being good in possession and pushing on and giving over laps and basically making it that we attack them from both sides. Some day we will agree JPA. Some day. |
Chiefy
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... JPA -- like your thinking about both, although sunderland have 6 first teamers out Kenwyne being one of them, I think Sunderland will be licking their wounds after the weekend and if they try to come at us that will suit us as we will have them on the break. We should win tonight 1-0 or 2-0. Carew to start for me Beye to start Cuellar to keep his place in the middle Collins rested for Saturday |
ak_27
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Who else have you got as a friend on facebook? Heskey? If they want him they would have to pay £15-20m and i doubt they would have that after the money they have spent this summer. |
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... Chiefy, if thats the case then I agree. ak, Stoke will just lump ball after ball into our box. We should make sure we have Cuellar, Collins, Dunne and either Carew or Heskey all on the field. We won't be able to play proper football against them, it'll only touch the ground twice all game. I'm really looking forward to tonight, if we can put Sunderland, who are in the pack chasing europe, convincingly to the sword I will begin to have a very good feeling about this season. ak, I hope we never agree, we'll run out of stuff to talk about |
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... ak-27 - I have albrighton, clark, lowry, carew and cuellar as friends Cuellar is always on there talking to his friends back in Spain i never knew what they are saying but now i translate on the web and his spainsh pals want him back over there including his mrs who is hot !!! |
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... God i'd cry if he went there and they ruined him like they did so many other players. I suppose on the flipside he is Spanish, there is potential he could go there and become a legend. |
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... JPA -- i think thats what most of his friends reckon he would do ?!?!?!?! like i say i think it might just be Carlos who goes and not Davies, as for Madrids money problems they always pull cash from somewhere where they want someone and they may offer us someone in return like Drenthe or Ruud or someone i dont know but it would be sad to see him go |
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... I don't buy this, there is no way O'Neill is just going to let Real walk off with one of his most influential players in the middle of his most important season in charge so far. Real wanted Young last season and they got 'short shrift' if I remember rightly. Liverpool got mugged off over Barry and Redt**t got mugged off over Carew and Young. We have to get over this small club mentality and believe in O'Neill. If he sells him then I belive in O'Neill enough to trust him. I believe O'Neill would rather write Zlatan Ibrahimovic into his will as the sole benficiary than sell Carlos Cuellar, no matter what the offer. We've done so well putting this defence together it'd be stupid to start taking it apart already. We are not a selling club anymore and Real can F**k off, We'll knock them out of the CL next year the F**ks. Wes should see if they want to swap Shorey for sergio Ramos. |
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... JPA -- Everything you have said maybe true but if a player wants to leave what can you do ?? keep him against his will make him honour his contract and let him rot in the reserves ? or sell him and make a huge profit and buy someone else ?? lets face it if and only IF he did go we would make money giving MON more options to sign in Jan, We would be no worse of as going by what you say we would still have 3 quality defenders in COLLINS, DUNNE and DAVIES with CLARK not far behind. I dont want him to go and no we arent a selling club but if he things the grass is greener and we can make 10million on him dont you think it would be worth it ?? especailly with DAVIES coming back ?? |
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... Chiefy, I think we already know O'Neill's answer to that. I think he's rather keep him and lose money. I also don't necesarily think Cuellar will want to go. He'd only be a stop gap until pepe is fit. He can reach for the stars at this club. |
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... JPA - i know what MON stance is but that would be a little silly especailly when we have 3 quality CB's and one that is going to cause problems if he dont play, we have 2 RB's and if we can make 10million it would be stupid not to sell, it makes managing the CB position easier and takes away the potential for problems i just think it would make a lot of sense, just out of curiosity i wonder how long it would be before we wanted him back after having DAVIES in the team ? |
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... That's what i'm saying Chiefy, I really don't see how selling one of our best players can be good in any way. It sends out the wrong message too. We are building a side, not taking it apart. Cuellar should and will stay. |
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... JPA - but if you have cover that is supposedly "better" why would you not sell and make a profit giving you more funds for what you do need ? |
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... JPA - I dont suppose many would care about the message especially if we then go on to sign Kenwyne, Keane or alike then the message gets lost as a new message is written |
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... We have cover, but I believe you need two players in every position on the pitch. Clark is not ready and Davies is still injured. If Curtis has a recurrence of his injury or tweaks something while getting fit then we are in trouble for no reason. Keep him. He's too good to offload. We should be selling off the dregs, not our first team and I stand by this. It's not about money, it's about having the best team and Cuellar is playing too well to sell him at the moment. Lazy Journalism and MoN will never let him leave. |
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... We can generate enough funds and wages by selling players that willnever play gor us again, instead of one of our best performers of the season so far. The money thing is a bit of a cop out. Real will probably offer us like £10m anyway and there's no way we'll accept that. |
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... JPA -- I hope your right but i cant see either him or Davies sitting on the bench for to long without causing problems, Cuellar wants to be in spanish team and Daives just wants to be playing, with COLLINS and DUNNE apparently before both i can only see one sitting still long enough one will cause problems or be off, if DAVIES is as good as some think he is this shouldnt be a problem and it would also help with CLARK so I dont see the problem really even though i am a huge fan of CUELLAR and HATE DAVIES. I just cant see CUELLAR and DAVIES on the bench only one will stay both are two good, well CUELLAR is i will trust you with DAVIES, to sit on a bench so only one will stay I put money on it |
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... I also dont think it is about money either but i dont think MON is the kind of person to ruin someones career just because they want to play more games that what we can offer them, according to the majority CUELLAR games will be limited when COLLINS is fit and if that is true then by default DAVIES games should be even more limited as he should be behind CUELLAR in the pecking order and players of the stature of DAVIES will not be happy with that, CUELLAR would not be happy behind DAVIES as he wants to be playing for Spain so I just cant see both staying it would be a nightmare to manage and the last thing we need is unrest in the camp |
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... TV - Arsenal - 245pts WG - Arsenal - 221pts TOTAL = 466 CC - Villa - 241pts RD - Villa - 222pts TOTAL = 463 Cold hard numbers say that Arsenal's central pairing is number one. |
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