Written by Damian Sunday, 07 March 2010 09:33
The FA Cup is a beautiful thing. Anyone can do well in it and all teams get excited about it. Look at Pompey; bottom of the table but they beat Birmingham City 2-0 yesterday; beautiful. The Clowns get a reality check and it makes me smile. Happy Sunday.
But, moving quickly along, because I want to touch on the last filed accounts submitted by Aston Villa and before I say my little bit, I have to tell you that I am not an accountant, which is why we've sent them to one and we'll get you some feedback next week. But I did just want to highlight the management fees of £7.6mn - seems like a lot of money.
But, I'm not an accountant but with all our debt piling up (now higher than it ever has been in our history) I'd not be taking out almost 10% of the revenue for my own company while lending the club money from another and making a very nice return with the interest (management fees and interest now totalling about 15% of all club revenue). Seems, I don't know, not entirely fair almost.
Absolutely nothing wrong with it in terms of the law or doing business, but I just think that the extra £13mn (over £1mn a month) we gave to the Lerner family based on the last filed accounts could have maybe been better used a little closer to home.
It is also worth noting, that these latest accounts are made up to May 31st 2009, which means, anything that happened from June 1st 2009 onwards, isn't included. These accounts run from June 1st 2008 to May 31st 2009. We don't know how much has been taken out, or put in since. In essence, the information is old.
Aston Villa v Reading
Today isn't about how much money the club is making or not making and paying out in management fees, interest and salaries, it is about the FA Cup and like I said above, the FA Cup is a special day as anything can happen.
When you play these games where anything can happen it is wise to not be too confident and while on paper you would think that this has away win written all over it, Reading are to be taken seriously and I am sure they will be, but I still expect us to win, don't you?
Team news and updates as we get it. You can also follow us on Twitter and get involved below. Sing loud sing proud.
I have brought shame on my family. It is Reading today, not Fulham. Don't ask me why I had Fulham in the title, I can only apologise. This is why I am not an accountant.
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paul mclafferty
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... a tight game but we should be in the hat later and hopefully draw pompey!!  |
Hackney Villain
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... Villa vs Reading surely! Damian - not sure a non-qualified accountant should make such judgements. See General Krulak's response to the report, seems like Lerner is not treating Villa like a cash cow and they have a long term plan. More attention to detail needed |
pete
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... would really like to see delph fonz get the nod to start today. and we would still have enough to beat them |
Damian
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... Apologies. Don't ask me why I was thinking Fulham. Not sure and yes, it was very early, but it is no excuse. I even re-read what I had written before posting two or three times and it didn't click. I even had stats up right in front of me of the last few times we had played. Error corrected. |
Devon Villan
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... Yeah Damian, I noticed the Financial Accounts had been published but they are a maze of numbers and it will be interesting to see what your accountant mate makes of them. He will also need a copy of Randy's Reform Holdings company to complete the picture. In the old days, we fans never bothered with the financial numbers-it was accepted some rich bloke who'd usually sold a business wanted a plaything/wanted to bask in the limelight and generally poured his cash down the drain for these benefits. With the advent of what's happened at Pompey, we fans should take more interest. Bear in mind the Financials are from last year and wont include the likes of the Barry,Dunne transfers. As you say, taking out c£12m a year based on investment of what £140m (purchase of the club and loans to date) is a bloody good rate of return and I do wonder what Mr Lerner's (and other foreign owners) objectives are when buying a foreign sports company that is likely to lose money year on year. On to today-3 points would be good eh? Expect the usual 11 to start but would like to see LY at right back to give us more balance |
Damian
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... Devon Villan we have ordered the accounts for 3 UK companies and 2 US based ones. we have the UK ones and the US ones will be delivered next week. one thing you can be sure of is that it will be a maze and really tracking it all down will be very tough and likely impossible as the accounts wont show specific information on where the money actually goes |
Eoin Greene
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... Getting to the league cup final and still having a good run in the FA cup - is being pointed to as a sign of progress. Whilst i'd agree that it's exciting to have these cup runs, I don't accept that they show progress. Villa have gotten unbelievable draws in both competitions, where we have played full teams against non premier league teams practically every round in both competitions. I'm quite sure that any Villa team of the past 15 years would have gotten just as far. The league 'spending table' from the previous post is very interesting. What an absolute unbelievable job Arsene Wenger does. He has spent the same as Wolves!!! |
Damian
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... eoin1981 everything wenger does though is about the football. when you can bring through players that are following his way of playing football and get hold of younger talent from the continent at a very good price and bring them through the 'arsenal' way - it saves a lot of money - they are quite unique |
jerry
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... Apologies. Don't ask me why I was thinking Fulham. Not sure and yes, it was very early, but it is no excuse. I even re-read what I had written before posting two or three times and it didn't click. I even had stats up right in front of me of the last few times we had played. Error corrected. “Brought shame on my family” Steady on, old boy, I’m sure the missus will forgive you. This kind of error is easy to do. In a recent post about Elizabeth Windsor I said Harry was her son, not grandson. You (we?) need a proof reader. We should submit all our efforts to a responsible poster on this blog. Any volunteers? No neggos or pompos should apply for this poorly remunerated, but highly regarded media job (that leaves about three out there properly qualified). This is a very high status position that will bring the successful applicant tremendous social approval and standing. Truly, a massive adornment to anyone’s CV. Apply in the first instance to the Doug Ellis Lap Dance and Gentleman’s Club in Aston Lane. |
Paul Gough
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... Ok lads let me explain about accounting on this level. You might think that all you have to do is tot up all outgoings and all incomings in a year, compare them and then you see if you are making a profit or a loss. No, I am afraid it is not so simple. What happens is that money that might be made or money that might be spent in the future has to be factored in. Only when you are in possession of all the current and future incomes and expenditures are you able to see the real picture. Villas accounts up to last year can exclude a lot of data required to get the current picture. Sorry to tell you but even after analysing the accounts you have access to you still will not have the full picture. |
Leroy
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... Doug Ellis Lap Dance and Gentleman’s Club in Aston Lane. I believe resume´s and CV´s are to be forwarded to the secretary of these fine establishments, non other than our tall Norweigian friend, Mr John Carew |
Nathan Price
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The thing is, if Arsene was in control of our club, he'd be berated on here for not making progress. I mean how long has it been since they won anything? Even George Graham did as good as Arsene.  |
Paul Gough
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... I might add that there are 2 sets of accounts in companies. The first is the shareholders annual accounts. These are always "doctored" to put the company’s best face forward. It is important the creditors are confident of being paid. Investors are confident of getting returns. The second is the real picture. This can swing from month to month. It is vital that the CEO has an accurate picture of how the company is doing so that he can react to cash flow fluctuations. Damian you will not be able to get a clear picture of where Villa is now and you might hurt Villa by eroding confidence. |
Damian
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... DeGough you are spot on - especially when you consider that those accounts submitted run until May 31st 2009 - quite a long time ago and quite a lot of money has since been spent yes, we should take an interest and yes we should be happy or concerned or searching for and asking for answers but the fact is, we are now a private limited company and lerner can do with business exactly what he wants and i for one am not concerned with him taking out nearly 15% of the revenue if we finish with silverware or 5th or actually borrow another £100mn from him this summer to bring in a few players that will really mean we can push for something at the end of the day, things are fairly well balanced. the guy that has quickly looked at the accounts for me has said that our position to go borrow money now is severely limited without offering up a percentage of the business - in so much that the business couldn't afford to borrow a huge amount of cash as it couldn't afford to pay it back without it affecting what lerner is taking out in interest and management fees and why would he borrow from somewhere else to only not take out his money each season bottom line is we are now fairly reliant on him putting more in if he wants to be taking out each season but if any of us were running a business we would do the same .. we are also not going to go into too much detail - a buddy is just taking a look. i'm not an accountant and i'm not going to try and pass this site off as such or the information we publish as such .. it is just interesting and like i said, as supporters there is nothing wrong in taking an interest i do however feel that taking 15% of all our revenue as interest and management fees is a bit steep - but like i said, it is a business and frankly, i have confidence that lerner won't bankrupt it, because he is making a very healthy return each season so why should he damage that? it would be nice though if he ploughed in some serious money for players this summer |
jerry
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... Sorry to tell you but even after analysing the accounts you have access to you still will not have the full picture. Sad, but true, Mr Degough. No, I am afraid it is not so simple. What happens is that money that might be made or money that might be spent in the future has to be factored in. Only when you are in possession of all the current and future incomes and expenditures are you able to see the real picture. We would be looking for these in the Balance Sheet, I think. “Blue Sky” (goodwill) and short and long term liabilities. Assets Employed? “Goodwill” is a very sketchy item and difficult to assess without actually putting the business on the market to see what it will fetch. It’s value is indeterminate and subject many uncontrollable events. Which is why it’s known as “blue sky” - as long as it doesn’t rain, we can all go to the barbeque. Talk to the proprietor of Newcastle FC about these issues. It would be true that club funding will come from the banks in the form of loans (Damo, would these be term loans or money on call on overdraft?) but it would be inconceivable that any bank would lend more money than could purchase a round of drinks without there being covenants in place, i.e. personal guarantees (PGs) from Lerner. The effect of all this is that Lerner is the lender of last resort. The buck stops with him. All of the above is merely an informed guess. If anyone knows this not to be the case and has the facts, I am happy to be corrected. |
Damian
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... churchill at the level in which the club is now operating, none of us will ever really know. we might as well all stick out thumb in the air and point .. which is why now, more than ever, we are not going to try and pass oursleves off as experts in the field. it was much easier when we were a pulic limited company under ellis with very little debt and very specific streams of revenue but not so easy now and anyone that pretends to be able to shed light on these numbers is only kidding themselves - we are not going to fall into that trap, hence why i mention only the near 15% of revenue going to management fees and interest and nothing else ... |
Paul Gough
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... Good points Damian. As for the 15%, it all depends on what Villa can afford and what he is doing with the 15%. For instance what if he spends the 15% on Players? We cannot know for sure. I would imagine that he is trying to get Villa the players to achieve top four without risking his investment. If we win today it will be another small step in the right direction. I am confident that we will have a good reaction to last week. UTV |
Paul Gough
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... Churchill You are spot on when it comes to trying to get a clear picture of the holding companies activities. But don't get too worried. It is normal for companies to use holding companies to manage the main companies cash flow. |
Damian
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... DeGough exactly - the easiest thing in the world for lerner would be to have used £7mn in management fees from this accounting year to bring in delph and then have that £7mn added as a loan and then still make his interest on it .. its all about moving the money at the right times and doing the right things with it .. so. more info next week, but we are staying well awawy from this because there is just no way of knowing because it isn't just one company any more - several are involved and basically, the ones that are involved possibly have others involved and if you are going to start tracking back through all of them it would take too long and like i said - this is a cash cow for lerner. he isn't going to kill it - i just hope he wants a few prizes ans isn't just interest in farming |
jerry
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...and i for one am not concerned with him taking out nearly 15% of the revenue if we finish with silverware or 5th or actually borrow another £100mn from him this summer to bring in a few players that will really mean we can push for something Yes boss, I think we would all endorse that. He gets the cash, we get the glory. Another one for you Damian. I seem to recall when Ellis sold to Lerner that he said that bigger offers were on the table but he thought a Lerner stewardship would be better for the club in the long term. Very noble. Was this the case? |
paul mclafferty
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... damian here is the generals response to the financial reports.. General Krulak here: The General has put out a further reply |
Damian
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... churchill i don't know and to be honest, i think it fair to take what doug says with a pinch of salt - however he did say he had higher offers and that the lerner offer was cash and not loans ... holteend paul i think you know my views on krulak so i won't reply other than to say his main function does seem to be PR and sometimes, while the club have to say things, there are also times when they and representatives, shouldn't. the accounts are a maze. the company is a private company and well, these are just words and while i think they are the right words (no surprises) when the words are always right, the pessimist in me is looking for why everything is so rosey |
ads
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... Interesting stuff for the CIMA and CFAites out there, and you're right in that fans interest in the financial side of football will continue to rise in light of recent events....however... ...having succumbed to stomach flu and sacrificed my ticket to today's game...let's talk about the match. It'll be interesting to see how the boys pick themselves up from last week's disappointment - would be great to see a surge of energy and commitment having tasted Wembley once this season. These games are always tricky - Reading are buoyant at the moment after their 5-0 last week and a very good run in the league. If we come out sluggish, we could struggle... |
paul mclafferty
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... exactly what lies has krulak ever said really? ok the 30 million player! was it a lie? i for one personally think if we carry on going in the right direction then it is only a matter of time before we see the STAR player wearing claret and blue. in other threads i read by someone that mon couldnt afford to buy a 30 million player because his job wouldnt stand up to the player being a possible flop, well i 100% agree with that sentiment and maybe mon knows this aswell. i do however find it tiresome for FANS to keep looking for cracks to appear at every opportunity, i am a builder so i do what i do best and i let others do what they do best, maybe just maybe lerner really does have the best interests of aston villa football club at heart? wouldnt it be a bugger if he did damian. |
Mike Carter
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...But, I'm not an accountant but with all our debt piling up (now higher than it ever has been in our history) The question I'd ask is how many other clubs can say the same? Probably most of them in the country, if not world football. |
Damian
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... Paul Who is saying krulak is telling lies As for Lerner none of us really know do we What we do know is he took nearly 8mn quid out for management fees and had Ellis taken that amount out there would have been protests But and I will say it again we really no very little and if the club continues to do better we will all be happy |
Car Frost
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...i am a builder so i do what i do best and i let others do what they do best Amen.. the most down to earth post i have read in ages.. trying to analyse and dictate what MON does is as pointless as feeding bacon to the jews, unless of course you work full time in the football profession. I design for a living and am sick of idiots telling me what looks good and what doesn't when they can't draw themselves.. For what it's worth championship manager says we will win 1 - 2 today and Downing will score in the 92nd minute, i love my armchair... |
John C
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... Ellis did take a wage from the club. Nobody knows what he took in expenses. According to the Telegraph the £7.7 million in management charges has been covered in additional equity beimg taken up rather than cash taken out of the club. The bottim line here is that the club needed substantial investment to go to a higher level. A |
John C
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... Ellis did take a wage from the club, nobody knows what he received in expenses. According to the telegraph the £7.7 million pound management charges has been covered by taking up additional equity, rather than cash being taken out of the club. The bottom line here is that the club needed investment to progress to a higher level. Any business investment must be matched by an increase in revenues or increase in asset value. Hopefully 3 wembley appearances will give a big increase in turnover. Its pretty obvious that a lack of playing success will curtail further investment. Plans to extend the ground could be put on hold.Its ridiculous Damien to ask for spending of a further £100 million. I think the improvement to date is reasonable. Hopefully with a successful end to the season, MON will have around £20 million net, £30 Million gross to spend in the close season to cement progress. |
African Lion
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... Just read in a syndicated article that: should Portsmouth be unable to pay debts due on March 12 they will be wound up and THEIR OPPONENTS IN THE SEMI FINAL WILL GET A BYE to the final!! This from SAPA AFP. Anyone else seen this? I'm just reporting what I have just read so don't Taglor me. Be unprecendented as far as I can remember. Difficult to believe. |
African Lion
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... Sorry, one correction- the date for the High Court hearing to discuss their liquidation is March 15. Not 12. |
Jord
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... VILLA: Friedel; Cuellar, Dunne, Collins, Warnock; Downing, Milner, Petrov, Young; Carew, Heskey. Subs: L.Young, Albrighton, Delph, Delfouneso, Sidwell, Guzan, Beye. |
Josh
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... Not overly happy with the team selection. Why not L. Young at RB? Why no Gabby? Why no Delph or Fonz? Can still see us winning though 2-1 with one from Milner and one from Carew. |
Josh
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... Gabby didnt even make the bench. Is this Mon resting players or is he injured an i dont know bout it? |
patrickg1
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... Why we starting with heskey and not playing luke young full back, will you ever learn o neil |
Apocalypso
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... The big issue is not the capital, but rather the wage bill. The capital is raised from Equity or from loans (at 2% interest, much less than Mr. Lerner would get on the same money invested elsewhere). However, under UEFA rules that are coming in in the next few years clubs must be self-financing (not supported by a sugar daddy figure), this means that our wages at 83% of turnover is simply too high. To meet the conditions of the regulations we will need to reduce the wage bill by around £10 million per year or increase turnover by £15+million per year. Neither of these things are going to be easy to do unless we can get regular Champions League football or accept that we can't compete financially with the high earning clubs on wages. |
Damian
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... A bit late to the party. Thanks for team news whoever did it above. John C i´m not going to go into what the telegraph did or didn´t write but i think they got a bit of it wrong .. didn´t they claim that certain things were not in the figures when they really should never have been - please excuse my ambiguity .. i will look at it more in the week, but i think the telegraph were a little quick to comment |
VillaDude
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... Cuellar ha played the ball 3 times down the right - each time he's given it away! |
Damian
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... Football is looking lively today. Both teams seem to be playing counter attacking football, which can only be good! |
Damian
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... very end to end stuff. entertaining to watch. both could score. not out and out better team yet |
Damian
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... Nice little bit of trickery from Webcam creates space. Cross is low, quick and accurate. But defender got it |
Spencer
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... Not the best crossing from Ash, DJ or Milner so far. We look a bit edgey and need a goal to settle us I think. |
Damian
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... Petrov shoots from 30 yards out. Wide .. but you have to shoot to score and I have seen a lot lot worse. Look at The Clowns yesterday |
Damian
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... 20 mins: this is a fairly even game. We have had more and Webcam is looking lively. But Reading are just as like to score |
Spencer
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... You'd think that as a multi million £ business (abeit one that's just made a £43m loss) we'd be able to afford to not tape over the Barclays Premiership badges on the left arm and just grab another set from the club shop! |
Damian
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... Ball drops to Milner on the edge of box. Just a bit to high and he doesn´t get on it. Shot bounces and goes over |
Damian
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... 1-0 Reading. The game has so far been very end to end ... someone was going to score first. There are more goals in this game. |
Mike Carter
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... Wonderful. A Championship player beats two Premiership defenders to the ball in the air. |
david c english
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... why do we always look like conceding goals against the lower division teams? |
Damian
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... There are more goals in this match but over the last 5 mins, Reading look the more likely ... still .. loads of time and we only need 1 chance |
VillaDude
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... Reading seem like making it 2-0 rather than us scoring. Their movement is so better and clearly see our right back is weak! |
fastbackace
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... so... if downing isnt worth 12 mil... then milner never will be either ha? stop ragging on him. next year he'll come good, we saw it just last year! |
fastbackace
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... and heskey goes down again... as he can never play 4 strait games for us. good ridence. |
Nik Skilton
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... and its two. Surely the likes of beye, young, delph, sidwell, albrighton and delfounesso warranted inclusion? |
Sweeno
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... Just like the Burnley 1st half. No flair, no penetration and no imagination. We are so boring to watch. And now they've scored again. Heskey has done NOTHING. Get the Fonz on!!! |
adam
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... thats what happens when you play the same team for 50 f**kin games on the trot never mind  |
Mike Carter
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... Call me over dramatic if you like, but lose today and the season will pretty much be over. |
Damian
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... Okay - just a weak prediction based on nothing other than frustration - but we wont win today because we dont know how to control a game and beat a team that isn´t attacking us - i.e. the counter attack. I´d love to be wrong .. I just don´t see us going at a team - even a team a division lower than us PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE |
Jordan Hughes
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... We look awful. Crosses aren't beating the first man. Bring on Delfouneso at half time. |
Nik Skilton
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... I think we can talk all day long about O'Neill's buys and the relative successes of them. We can talk about Randy and the debt being loaded onto the club. But the biggest issue at villa is the non use of the squad. We have (almost) 2 players for every position but the only 2nd team player to see games really is Guzan. Teams like Utd will lose some games unexpectedly because they will have some of their 2nd string in the team but they will always win the big games because thier players are fresh. Unfortunately, we dont and we will find that our players will get tired because we dont give them any rest. Just because Milner, Young and Downing want to play every week doesnt mean they should. |
david c english
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...Call me over dramatic if you like, but lose today and the season will pretty much be over not over dramatic just quite true unfortunatley |
fastbackace
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... so whats mon's excuse this time?? o wait... it'll be a new one, he'll say. "well i though we played alright do to our fixture congestion, we were just tired... i mean we did play a final on sunday..." fix it mon! |
david c english
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...mon to chew out their assholes at half time. i thought he saved that for hesky  |
Nik Skilton
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... Maybe we should start a petition to get MoN to use his squad?! 2nd Half we should take off Heskey for Delph. Go 4-2-3-1, take off Cuellar for Albrighton after 10 if not scored. |
patrickg1
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... Why isent he playing the likes of the fonz and delph who want first team football, who want to go to wembley. Milner not a central midfield play hes awfull today, he showed more drive for England during the week, the only one trying to get things going is Carew, Oh well there goes our season. |
VillaDude
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... The same problem has been at villa for last 3 seasons - mon playing players out of position - not having a an all round midfielder who controls the game - a striker who u feel scores out of nothing everyone sees it apart from the gaffer |
Nik Skilton
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...The same problem has been at villa for last 3 seasons I disagree, the problem is our players not being fresh because they play 78 games a season. |
Brian Kavanagh
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... drag young off, or make him stay out at half time and practice his crossing! delph and the fonz on, at leas then we'll have two players who want the ball |
Chris Parry
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... Tactically awful, tired of the excuses we seriously lack some bite in the middle is it just me or does Petrov go missing alot. Dont even get me started on heskey or carlos at RB either! These things are picked out before a ball is kicked! why cant MON see it....... Or maybe im in the minority?????? |
bigjimvilla
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... before the cup final .. when we were playing bad we still had our spirit to ride it out... now we have neither.Dreadful .... just dreadful |
fripps
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... I think MON has a lot to answer for! They just dont look up for it!! Playing Hesky and Carew - are you serious!? Bring the Fonz on..he should of been on from the start! Carew is lazy...no one loves belting out 'john carew-carew' song more than me, but what has he dont over the last 10 weeks!? its like he's not willing to give his partnership with Emule ago - because he knows its not going to work. |
Eoin Greene
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... Damian I agree with you to an extent. But to say that Reading are playing counter attacking football would indicate that they are sitting back and hitting us when we attack. Reading have 54% posession, have had all the chances and are controlling the game. Its just yet another sign of how little quality we have, and as for our style of football - well a few of us have been talking about it for 2 years! 'Are you Leicester in disguise??' Yes, yes thats us. You got it in one. |
kieron
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... Hes got to change things now! Fonz on for either Heskey or Carew and Delph on after 20mins and maybe Albrighton if Downing counties to be shocking. Really can't get my head round this!!!!! |
Scuffles
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... As soon as i saw carew and heskey on the same pitch i knew the score wasn't going to be good at half time.... seriously thats just a terrible decision. |
Goldie 7
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... Yeah this is what happens when you play the same players week in week out. Mon is such a clueless muppet  |
Imran Patel
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... there are a few players that don't deserve to be on the pitch. call me harsh but its true: heskey - he just doesnt work hard enough he is bloody hopeless. Downing - was he really worth the price, he cant cross, cant beat the first man how can someone get paid as much as him and not cross. young - has been poor today constantly complaining shut the **** up and get on with it. we look poor defensively both goals poor defending its a joke. MON needs to pull his finger out. This WILL finish our season off. |
Nik Skilton
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... I dont know if anyone else agrees but for me our best XI is: (4-5-1) Friedel; Young, Cuellar, Collins, Warnock; Young, Milner, Reo-Coker, Delph, Downing; Agbonlahor. Subs: Guzan, Dunne, Petrov, Albrighton, Carew, Heskey, Bouma. |
Goldie 7
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...MONs team selection - shit |
.vogra
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... absoulte utter sh*t..worst half of football i've seen us play in years...if we pull this out our asses now i'll be amazed. |
Brian Kavanagh
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... if we cant keep the ball in midfield and attack then we are always going to put pressure on our defence. slopp play out wide has cost us. |
david c english
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... i can't even muster up any anger at this as it's all so predictable, mons faults are obvious, he will never change so you either except it or don't cause this is how we play |
Scuffles
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... Albrighton, Delph and delfounso second half asap. no waiting around that was terrible |
AVsteve
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... what a disgrace. no one seems to be up for it. fooking boring to watch, no flair, no creativity, its just boring. what the hell are we doing playing carew who is shit, has not scored in open play for months, hesky who scores one every 7 games, then we have del boy on the bench who will always get you goals and run his socks off for you. warnock looking shite at right back, cuellar not a right back. please put l young on!!! downing having a nightmare!! get you fooking fingers out lads, this is embarrasing to watch |
david c english
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...dont know if anyone else agrees but for me our best XI is: would swap dunne for collins as i don't rate him that much |
Lew Chatterley's Lover
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... Pick your best 11 and give it your best shot, we are failing on both counts. End of season if we don't restore a liitle respectability. |
fastbackace
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... sorry nike, but i dont agree. i think its. fredel, lyoung, cuellar, dunne, warnock, ash, petrov, milner, reo, downing, gabby |
paul mclafferty
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... the reporter has put it in a nutshell when he just said villa really cant be any worse than the first half can they???????? |
Nik Skilton
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...dont know if anyone else agrees but for me our best XI is: Think thats fair, we play best with 4-5-1 so why change it? |
fastbackace
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... mon must have litterally kicked their asses then he told mule he wasnt going to give him a bj if he didnt win. |
Nik Skilton
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...mon must have litterally kicked their asses or he told him he would be asked to play at centre back.... again |
Imran Patel
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...what the hell are we doing playing carew who is shit, has not scored in open play for months, you were saying lol |
AVsteve
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... carew is still shit, first goal in open play for how long. one goal does not just make him a great player again. score in the next 3 games and thats what most would call form UTV |
r 1
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... i don't care if carew scores or not, he is always dangerous. that's why i prefer carew to heskey |
paul mclafferty
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... bfore you junp down my throat, dont you think shitwell has something to offer this game against his former employers? if he cant lift himself for this game then he really has to go in the summer!!! |
Villatx
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... Just landed in Dublin from Birmingham and Jesus what a game to get off the plane to...MON must have raped them at half time UTV |
AVsteve
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... well taken goal. i agree, sidwell on for petrov. he would love to score in this game and will give his all. heskey, please please take him off. we need pace up front. we are really missing gaby making runs UTV |
max sarasini
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... Amazing. You have to say that for a `muppet' as one of you said, that must have been a fine half-time talk! |
paul mclafferty
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... haha what a plank!!! i couldnt understand why you were all posting a goal before it was on my tele!!! i rewound it when i went to the toilet so was 2 minutes behind you all.lol |
Amnesiac101
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... AVsteve you cant call carew shit, it is still a decent player even if he doesnt score week in week out and isnt the most energetic of players, get behind the team son... |
Mike Carter
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... nan Brilliant. We're the best team in the world and we're going to win the FA Cup. And the league. Is that the kind of response you were after? |
fastbackace
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... i think, we play better, less long balls when its gabby/heskey, but carew score 3x's as much as heskey |
Damian
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... Nanwasafan well there you go - you were smart but you can not be surprised at emotions after 45 minutes bottom line - most expected a win today before the match started and anythign can happen in football but as long as we win .. all is good |
paul mclafferty
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... damian... stop it mate, you are showing signs of actually enjoying this game.. |
Jonathan Willier
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... It's amazing how in a matter of 15 minutes, this game went from a bad omen for the month of March to a game MON can constantly refer back to, to show the lads how good they can really play. Would love to see a couple more goals, then I will tell my grandchildren 'bout this one!  |
Michael
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... yea probly damian, why dnt he say it b4 kick off tho? can see it ending 4-3 villa. heskey looks to be playing ok aswell. |
AVsteve
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... amnesiac.... carew has done nothing at all for us the last 2 or 3 months. cant score and is lazy. yes the second half has done very well. but over all the last few months has been dismal. before the game, the first name on the starting line up would have been del boy. has scored more in the last 3 months than both carew and heskey. do you see my point? UTV |
Michael
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... surely a yellow card for deliberate hand ball then? villa have been booked for less in this game. |
David Smith
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... Given to him on a plate and he still can't score! All he had to do was chip the keeper and instead kicks it straight at his arm. useless. could have sealed us the game |
Michael
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... AVSteve - carew has hardly played in the past 3 months, its been heskey and gabby 80minutes every game. |
Damian
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... holteend paul i´m loving the game .. great first half despite going 2 down and if you follow the twitter stream you will see that i was saying there are plenty of goals in this game ... and that we needed a 2nd half you could tell your grandchildren about .. and I will be! |
AVsteve
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... but when he has played he has been terrible. hence why heskey has been playing which i agree with. he has been better than carew. when del boy comes on, he does great and score a few. carew this season has not offered us anything to write home about. although i will not put a downer on the day, he is playing very well this half, maybe on of the best players. UTV |
max sarasini
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... bloody hell, we're up against it at the moment....heskey's one on one was so vital...and i hope we dont regret his donkey like behaviour. |
Mike Carter
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... I really hate the way the commentators paint a fairytale picture around the underdog. "And this is a team that stands just 1 point above the Championship relegation zone". As if this performance so far means that's unfair and they should be much higher? Shut the hell up. |
Nik Skilton
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... sidwell for heskey in the 82nd minute. Sidwell to not move from centre circle, and most definitely not to get his kit dirty. |
Michael
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... heskey gets 80minutes a game, carew gets 10minutes, so cant really compare the two other than carew has scored more. |
paul mclafferty
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... carew had 2 chances and scored 2 heskey had a 1-1 and f**ked it, why so much anti carew lads? |
Nik Skilton
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...fastbackace Sub? He hasnt got any players capable of coming on.... |
Nik Skilton
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... Holtendpaul - Carew is lazy, only wants it very rarely which is why heskey has taken his place. |
Mike Carter
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... Speaks volumes when you stick 11 men behind the ball against a team who could be playing in League One next season. |
Nik Skilton
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... MoN: Welcome to the club Fabian, we believe you have a bright future ahead of you. Delph: Where do you see me playing boss? MoN: Oh no Fabian. I dont expect you to play, at all, not even coming on as sub. No I expect you to provide a selection of CDs for the bus ride to games, is that ok? Delph: But you've just paid £6m for me? MoN: But you havent heard Webcams CD choices have you? |
Michael
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... well done mon making carew wait to take his penalty!! but hatrick for carew!!! wembley - weve gotta stop meeting like this |
fastbackace
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... its scary to think what we could be if carew tried as hard as gabby all season. holy shit, we wouldnt need a 20 goal season striker. |
david c english
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...MoN: Welcome to the club Fabian, we believe you have a bright future ahead of you. heh heh, very good |
AVsteve
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... agree fastback. if he tried like that week in week out, he could be the 20 goal striker we need. gaby would score more too wiht him next to him. if only!!! |
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