Written by Damian Saturday, 15 August 2009 18:37
I'm a fan of Martin O'Neill but I am becoming increasingly frustrated with his excuses and despite him saying they're not excuses, it is like me writing something in one paragraph and going back on it or twisting it in another, it is written and I get picked up on it.
Today it was 'they looked tired' but it isn't an excuse according to O'Neill. Well, we got more points playing 451 last season than we did playing 442 and for the life of me why has he played Heskey over Carew?
The Carew story will gather pace tomorrow and no doubt we will be told he picked up a back strain during the warm up but if you want to know the truth, don't read what we are told, think about it for a minute.
Carew was left on the bench so Heskey could take his place. He was fine when all that was announced, just probably very angry, so he probably, sorry possibly, walked out saying he wasn't going to play second fiddle to Heskey. I'm also told he didn't hobble off after the warm.
If that happened, could you blame Carew? I know it's unprofessional, but could you really blame him?
Anyway, our manager has spoken.
Martin O'Neill
I am disappointed more than frustrated. You can be frustrated if you feel you deserved something out of the game. But we didn't. After an initial 15 minutes, we were second best all afternoon. You can analyse everything but at the end of the day, we looked tired, which was a bit of surprise considering we had a good pre-season.
But I'm not going to make excuses. We were beaten today. We should have been ready to go. It was very disappointing indeed.We were loose everywhere - we weren't good enough. The fans will be disappointed with the performance. People have mentioned the absence of Gareth Barry and Martin Laursen. This is a new team - we have to be ready for that.
We were good enough last season to overcome a lot of hurdles on our way to finishing sixth and that's what we intend to do again.
My point about him taking time to listen is one I'm sure is going to annoy a few people but I think it is a valid one. Many people have spoken about playing a variation of five in midfield and today, I think we were beaten by a team playing five in midfield.
Now, if it was Manchester United or Liverpool or Chelsea, then you have an argument for 'they are the better team', but it was Wigan. Wigan beat us by playing a very controlled game. They passed and attacked on both flanks. When they didn't have the ball they closed us down so we only had the long pass option, which is exactly what they wanted.
You hit a long pass, you give the defender plenty of time to ready himself and today we did exactly that. O'Neill has to look at his own record as Aston Villa manager and see that if we are going to compete, by playing better football, we need a five man midfield, simply because most other teams are going to use it and we don't have the quality to play otherwise.
Give me Messi, Ibrahimovic and Henry and we can play 433, but with Milner, Young, Petrov and Delph, you need to put in a Sidwell or Reo-Coker and take away Gabby or Heskey for it to be effective. It's just the way it is and O'Neill has to listen and learn and I know that is going to piss him off, but it's just the way it is.
I know it's day one, but we played today like we ended the season last week and it was only when Heskey arrived in January, when we reverted back to 442, that it went all wrong. We have to play like the teams above us and now how the teams below are starting to play.
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nigel
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... By the way, I totally agree with your points ragardin the system. I just wish MON would!!! |
oldfart
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... What was MON'S rational in prefering Heskey to Carew??Surely he can't believe that Heskey is a better player,can he? |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Agree totally he needs to bring back 451, carew, buy some centre backs and possibly a midfielder!! |
taglor
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... Fair play to koutek coming on. But where is rob h and keefvilla with their wisdom and great football knowledge. Yes i was happy MON looked the inept dinosaur he is but only because i want Villa to do well in the long term, is that so bad? remember i support Aston Villa not MON. Just think of those poor sods that paid £40 to watch that from the millionaires we pay, just disgustin. |
MON
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... No! Its my team and i make the decisions. Am i listening? No! Will I change anything? No! Have faith. It will all come good in the end. Do you believe me? |
vdv
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... a steward i know today said that is a dick. in january we were given the cash from learner to get vdv and sneijder. madris wanted 100 thousand pounds more from what the bid was and mon refused to pay the extra money. so we do get plenty of cash just r f**ked up manager wont pay it. |
Frosty
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... Gutted, after 6 hours of driving thats all they could manage in terms of effort. Having said that I think the most dissapointing aspect was Young getting booed by certain members of the crowd, the guy must wonder why he pledged his alleigance and turned his back on the possibility of a big move to get a bunch of toss*rs on his back for playing a mediocre game. There were 2 idiots in front of me doing just that & if the beer bottles were glass well I'll stop there.. |
Loonylandslide
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... Blah, blah, blah. Same thing again and again! It's the first game - our season hasn't been defined yet! Gve the guy a chance |
skab0y
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... THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH CAREW TODAY Heskey told MON before the game that he had a foot injury, MON then asked Heskey to have a injection, and then still left Carew on the bench... Carew was a bit P*ssed off and done one. thats why the fonz took his place on the bench.... sorry MON has seriously ||||||Fuc&ed up again here, and dont be suprised if carew now decidces to move on... but the official work from the club will be he decided to move on couldnt stop him ect,,, SKA |
avfc1983
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... I am really disapionted with this performance and i have a reson for some of it. The england friendly did not help young milly and donkey sorry i mean heskey played wednesday and i feel we could not pre pair for today as they only trained i guess yesterday for it. Also with the tactics, a blind man could see the formation was not working why not change it at half time. Why take of bye and put milly right back and then sidwell on for delph not reo coker. Why did he not swap milly and young over on oppiste wings and then take of hesky earlier. UTV we can only get better We need to get behond the lads now and support them lets forget about this and move on to what we can control and being the best supports in the prem UTV |
taglor
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... Although even with this result, I bloody love the football back on, it's great!!!!!  |
Michael panizza
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... So much for the expectation I had for today: I've tried to ignore my personal fears regarding MON's ability in dealing with anything more than a bunch of kids, his swapping players around, his careful approach to the transfer market..I defended him against all sorts of criticism then he goes and dumps Carew to play yet again that ineffective donkey of Heskey up front: that alone makes me question his sanity, let alone his ability to manage a football team. I know it's only the 1st game of the season and things could be very different come May but I'm not sure I want to sit patiently for yet another season waiting for slow improvements to come. The Carew decision is criminal, absolutely criminal: I really don't know what to make of this manager anymore. |
Lewis
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... Hi guys just to let you know the rumour in the adventures is that carew was pissed when he was dropped and when he was not brought on at half time he left the ground and went home. While it is unprofessional I can't blame him as he is the clubs best attacking threat ahead of gabby, Ivanhoe, and young. While I am pissed off I just hope we don't turn into spurs and sack oneil (jol) when he is our greatest chance of success. And to all of you who say sack mon should think who would we replace him with mouriniho? Ancelotti? Ferguson? Get real Mon is our best aspect for the future and we have to trust him. I just hope we qualify for Europe and have a good cup run. UTV |
Damian
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... Lewis he wasn´t on the bench from minute 1 ... he was replaced by the fonz before kick off |
readingvilla
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... well after driving a round trip off 200 miles to watch that pile of crap i dont think i'll bother again , no desire no idea no effort Freidal past it to old to slow a back four that cant even stop a subatandard wigan attack god help us when we face torres or rooney as for our front line agbonlahor cant be bothered heskey couldnt score in a brothal and to top it off a manger that dosnt see the squad just is not good enough or big enough , long hard season utv |
deansaundersperm that's perm
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... even when people were raving about little brads pre-season form i can't believe anybody for one min thought mon would drop old man brad, old man brad is one of mons loves, along with donkey and 50 pence head |
Aaron Wilson
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... MON plays what looks brilliant and easy to do on paper: He likes a long pass up to Heskey(the target man) who can take it down(because hes big and aggressive) and have Gabby run onto it and score! This is SHIT tactics, it isnt even real football. Dont get me wrong, this looks like a really good tactic on paper but its not going to work! Why you say MON? simple... - only 2/10 times Heskeys going to get it in the air when competing for it against four defenders. -Then when he does eventually get it and passes it off to Gabby, it ends at nothing because Gabbys crap at scoring goals! End of story MON, your tactics are shit! We have to revert back to 4-5-1, its our only chance of good football and success. Listen to the bloody fans! UTV! |
ChicoHamiltonsPants
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... Monkeywrench we agree with what u 100% but i think MON might walk before that if it carries on like this!!!! |
James Kennedy
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... MON is reminding me of Mowbray when he was at baggies, his way or no way even if it hasnt worked previously, we played our best football in the 4-5-1 and we only played that because of an injury crisis up front not because MON wanted that formation |
wezAVFC
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... I dont agree with playing 4-5-1 at home to wigan i also dont think any tatic would have made a blind bit of difference today, what i seen was 11 players who could not be bothered with no fight or effort and a back four with no clue. Young=whinger Gabby=not strong enough Heskey=????? Beye=useless Davies=Pub team player And for people who say it was not right to boo them after 90 minutes of that shite i had to watch was not at the same game as me. If you do a bad job at work you get told about it from the people paying you to do it hence they deserved to be booed. While i think O'Neil if far from perfect i dont think tatics were to blame today it was 11 effortless poor excuses for premier league footballers,but hey it is just my opinion. |
mikey18
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... Lets just get things into perspective!! We lost to a team which looked very capable, with a new manager who has obviously had an effect. We lost to a wonder goal and a sucker punch! its not the end of the world! Yes we have underlying issues. the performance from the boys was TERRIBLE! The performance from the fans was WORSE!! You don't boo your own players! you don't Boo your own team! simple as that. Players have bad games, teams have bad games. Thats football!! If you boo'd today thats a disgrace, you are a disgrace to villa fans! |
parisianrob
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... Totaly agree Damian Playing 442 is not our best formation with the sqad we have thats for sure Above all your snookered when you go behind and have to chase the game because you cannot take a forward off and replace with a midfielder when your losing comfortably as we were you then have to start tinkering with taking a fullback out of a defence that was all over the place Then putting our best player and most dangerous at right back? It does not work full stop. Now the back four take the first 15 mins beye and cueller looked solid until that is our two resident pub players davies and shorey started pulling them out of position. When beye launced himself on a run down the touchline only to find davies or shorey had given the ball away leaving beye out odf position so many times Shorey i am afraid is a player that has to live up to the fact that to defend you need at least to hack away with your weaker foot everytime the ball came onto his right foot he bought the outside of his left foot over to play it square and leave petrov in trouble Davies Was so out of position just before half time when a diagonal ball came in from the half way line he was five yards away from the forward who controlled the ball and should have scored For the second goal both he and shorey commited themselves on the halfway line got bypassed and jogged back to watch the ball go into the back of the net. But it is not the fault of the PUB players its the fault of the manager who puts the team sheet out each week that must live with that team sheet If we are to plunge a youngster in at the deepend like delph today dont pull him off the field first when their were obvious others who should have gone before him have the guts to keep him in their to find out what he has got when things go wrong As fans we should not feel it below us to settle for good solid yet uninspiring players in our team who will go out each week and play their heart out albeit not to the highest level but solid and dependable I have an idea of the path where we should go down if significant signings dont arrive in time to have a full tilt at the top 5 Play the kids like we did in the peace cup and see the fight they put in week after week as fans we then know the plan is to bring the kids on leaps and bounds and we know that we are building for the future We should not take comfort from arsenals win at everton today either they have their own problems and the result although a one off is a sign that mark hughes has definatly got into their heads and i would not like to be hughes when he goes there later in the season We all went to bed excited last night and woke up even more excited this morning But i wont sign off saying its only one game in 38 i want to see evidence that the rumours are wrong and the unrest is just that a rumour but i think different I know reo destroyed the dressing room at west ham when he was not picked especially when kids were picked before him if thats the case get rid My hammers mates sent me my usual present to start the season a villa shirt with marleen on the back thanks lads He is injured and cannot be sold i dont believe that either to be honest people buy players who will be out for a few weeks with a niggle lets face it nobody wants him. My hammers mates kept telling me that when he played for the hammers and they must have sent MON a video of him having his one and only good game against villa the season they came up Oh Well thats me sorry for ranting on but i have to go look at my fantasy teams now and check if i was better than you lot of like MON worse UTV |
tipton villan
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... if fans pay the money to watch the boys who are on thousands of pounds a week and play like that thay can say what they like. |
MysonscalledAston
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... How can we go forward as a football club, until the cloak and daggaer sh1t stops. What does Mr lerner want for our club, forget formations we need to know about investment on the field. Until then we will always be up in the air as fans, we were shocking today but at least were not blue noses utv and sotc |
lucky4
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... skab0y,how weird is that?i know a bloke with the surname lewis whos going out with someone called zara! Is his name jon? |
Billy Banbury Villa.
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... Trying to put a positive spin on this......at least it might focus the collective mind on getting in a couple of quality players, before the deadline.... Better now than after the window shuts.... Randy if this performance was painful, take the prescribed medicine and go splash the cash, and quickly... UTV. |
Michael panizza
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... I really hate to say this, but how many more obvious mistakes can you allow even to an intelligent, likeable bloke like MON? Forget the swapping around of all sorts of players last season, the Uefa Cup farce and signing Heskey. Forget he took him an ETERNITY to find a couple of right backs when other people BUILD TEAMS in that time (i.e. 2 years). But today...leaving out Carew when he'd been so good against Scotland in midweek and is clearly our best man up front stinks of senility, laziness, stubborn football ignorance. My patience is on reserve with this bloke. |
testie
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... taglor - I like the banter you bring mate and do on occasion find you quite funny. But lets not give the optimistic lot a hard time about the result. We will be getting enough stick of other fans about todays game so don't need to git shit from fellow Villa fans too. I think regardless of how optimistic or negative you are about the current Villa team it was clear from today's performance that we are not ready. We did not threaten and create nearly enough and as much as i hate to say it were completely out played by Wigan who passed and moved together nicely as a team. It just seamed for a large parts of the game that we had no composure and as if our players had not played together before. There are some positives though in that it is the start of the season and the transfer window is still open. Hopefully MON knows what we need because today we looked short in all areas of the pitch let alone defence where we have no CB cover. Today's game really bought me back down to Earth. However I still feel MON is the right and best man for the job. Many of the players that a lot of us thought would be world beaters just a few hours ago have not go bad over night. Hopefully we can bounce back from today and not perform that badly again. |
Michael panizza
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... Taglor's only happy when he can tell everyone his bleak visions were correct. I've read his stuff long enough to appreciate we are - in a sense - his Samaritans corner of security. We reassure his fears and provide him with inner righteousness...that aside, from what I've seen of the bloke I'm not sure why he follows football. |
lewis
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... i have no idea who zara mate. but i swear carews name was read out among the subs? however i still stand by what i say who would replace mon? i have no problem with replacing mon but it has to be a better manager for the long term and not make us the new leeds. |
Vijay Daryanani
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... Im not going to say anything, all you football experts here havent got a clue!! |
James
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... I know what he is up to. Crap to stast with so nobody gets their hopes up and starts spouting 'Yes we can' crap. Then when we rally in the second half and finish 5th everybody will applaud the improvemnets we have made. Cunning. Very cunning. |
Adey Stuttard
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... First game I have left early since O'Dreary days! Mistake 1 - Delph should not have started, bring him on for last 30mins, yes, but not start with him. Mistake 2 - Should have taken Shorey off and switched to just 3 at the back, Albrighton right, Milner left and Young in the hole. Mistake 3 - You STILL haven't bought anyone of substance. |
Frosty
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... We missed grit, determination and passion ... all attributes found in Reo Coker and not in the kids... yet taglor - your a typical Man U fan, not a football fan. |
VillaDude
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... MON will not change anything I personally want Carew & Fonz to start next game. But will it happen - no chance. MON will always has his favourites no matter how missing they go I can't even remember the last time gabby played well. But he seems to walk onto the teamsheet every week! He's had too many chances! |
MysonscalledAston
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... 1874AVFC mines called emily the missus went mad at the thought of her called Villa! Any how, i took two new Villa fans with me today how silly did i look!!! |
RealistYid
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... Spurs fan here. Been panned a few weeks ago for saying you guys will struggle with expectation. Bottom-line is you have the most threadbare squad in the premiership. Fulham have a bigger squad than you. Pre-season means zilch. You sold your best player, your best defender has gone, and only one striker scores goals consistently for you. It's a hell of a lot to ask the kids to step up. One result means nothing, but I have a feeling you guys will find this season hard. I've seen us year after year disappoint the fans so early in the season. I think you will seriously struggle to bring in the 2/3 proven players you need before the window closes. If you take an injury or two, a bad decision - you'll struggle with the weight of expectation of fans. |
G carew
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... Mabe this is the shock we needed after all those glamour friendlies, surely changes are comin starting with CAREW for Heskey and NRC for Delph. |
avfc1983
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... 1874 your spot on it needed attack attack but MON does not take those chances the last five mins young played on the right and had more freedom it needed for gabby young and milly to all swap around during game aswell |
TrueVillan
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... as i said on a previous post, 3 years and 6 transfer windows and he still does not have a defence! we have no strenghth in either fullbacks or the centre backs! our problems dont need a tweak, thay need an overhaul! I would not play a single player in our defence, and that includes the keeper! they are all just cover quality, nothing more, we have guzan and young to come in, but need 3 more quality defenders, and hope that this lot only have to play the occasional game, and NEVER, together! |
Adey Stuttard
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... Keithc, That is the only thing that makes my Saturday night more bearable..... how sad! |
VillaDude
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... I think for liverpool away we will play 5 midfield. Remember last season? Going there in 442 with reo coker at right back. We got torn apart?! Please no repeat. I'll take a draw now! |
lionheart
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... hate too say it but laursen commanded the back line now he's gone were in disaray,davis looked league one quality at best if not pub player,the midfield without barry "shocking"now where is mon gonna find replacements for them 2,he can hope the others and the youngsters will step up,DREAM ON MON, and we can hope for CL, but it quite simply aint gonna happen,those 2 we lost are gonna be so hard to replace. ok we must move on as a football club,but if MON continues to think 4-4-2 is the way forward not only will we be relagated, but MON will be sacked.the 4-5-1 formation we played last season until heskey was signed as a panic buy worked well,and i still believe if we would of carried on playing 4-5-1 we would now be in CL and would of been able to sell VILLA to top quality players,that performance today as done nothing to encourage the likes of VDV or sniejder to our club,even bramble would turn us down and he was made to look the bee's knees today. mr learner looked very dissapointed so is it the fact learner as made funds available but MON wont splash the cash, if so MON is on borrowed time unless (A) he brings in quality in the area's we are lacking DEFENCE AND MIDFIELD MAINLY,or B) he changes formation to 4-5-1 proven and tested last season and again get success from it. why he sold knight without having a replacement it is bad management,i know knight was not worlds best but at least he gave 100 percent more than i can say for davis today, you would think this season of all seasons the english lads in capello's thoughts would shine from game 1 but not our lot YOUNG telegraphs wots he doing then tries for freekicks when things dont go is way,milner brilliant for england midweek,why cant he do it for aston villa, he worked hard, but his free kicks need working on  GABBY useless no football brain just pace to burn so if we dont play to his strengths he might as well sit on bench,HESKEY quite simply dont rate him big powerful but thats it, now if the dressing room is unsettled it MON fault no replacements for players we lost and those he as signed picked before our lads that did so well last season.no wonder the harmony as gone just looking at bench today u can see all is not well with those on it,as FOR CAREW he is by far our best forward if he now chooses to move on i wouldnt blame him,why would the donkey get picked ahead of the BIGMAN,total joke, 4-5-1 FROM NOW ON TILL WE GET THE QUALITY ADDITIONS WE NEED AND REPLACEMENTS FOR LAURSEN AND BARRY |
VillaDude
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... I think one person got it totally right when they said - mon has had 6 transfer windows and look at the state of our defence. There is no excuse but MON! |
parisianrob
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... why carnt our boss be big enough to say this Reflecting on his team's thumping by Arsenal, Moyes expressed his disappointment as his players' inability to perform the basic tasks. He added: "We need to do better, I need to do better and coach them better to make sure we stop that happening again. "There are no excuses for that. I take the responsibility and do better with the players that I have got. "I have to do something about it (bringing people in). But that was virtually the cup final team, so the players have to take their responsibility to head the ball out of the box, mark people and go with runners at set-pieces. "These things should be their basics. Things we should be doing naturally. "There was too much wrong to mention. It was a disappointing result and it has knocked our confidence." |
Alan B
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... Good morning to you all and not a great start to the morning over here I might add. I know we are all upset with the result and please don't go mad at me but I'm starting to get that feeling that we are in for a up and down season. I'm only new to this site but really enjoy the comments, and it's obvious that you are all very passionate about the villa, as am I since 1955. I won't make this long but just to say that "we have to pay to watch good and bad football" but managers "get paid" to do the same so it's easy for us to get frustrated, Our choice is whether we pay the $$ ( sorry pounds ) to watch the games. Being a Manager is not an easy job and it's easy for the fans to get upset when we loose, but what I guess I'm trying to say is that I believe that Managers will NOT listen to the fans and change the format of the team, just won't happen so wo just have to put up with it and pray things go well. Remember it's only the first game. Anyway thanks for your site, I really enjoy, I'm off for my morning cuppa. Up the villa, PS - It's hard for me to make comments because I'm over and not being clse to everything so please be a bit patient as I might say a few silly things at times |
vdv
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... mon refused to pay the extra cash but if he did vdv and sneijder would be villa players now. mon you r one f**king cheap scate. martin jol please. |
lionheart
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... 200 thousand pounds separated villa between sneijder and vdv in january. plz tell us your source of info instead of waffel n babel outbursts |
Andy Pepper
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... Carew had a sore foot from Midweek game tried it out in warm up but was to painful so put fonz on bench instead so all this bollox about being pissed of is shite!!!! |
Vijay Daryanani
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... ive been saying all along that we dont have the money, none of u believe me |
r0bb0
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... lionheart...vdv says he was told "by a steward" that we could have had Sneijder and vdv if we'd been prepared to spend an additional £200k. He's said it 4 or 5 times now, and it becomes even less plausible every time you read it. |
Aaron Wilson
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... On the subject of sacking MON, im not sure where i stand! To all the people who want him sacked, give him until December. If things arent good at that stage then go calling for his head! We might get a good manager in before January then, a manager who will do some great business in the transfer window. VDV, good call on Martin Jol, he would be the perfect choice. I think MON is more suited for an international job. He could focus on what he does best - bringing through youth and he wouldnt have do what he does worst - make transfers! UTV! |
abloke
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... Well, in agreement with pretty much whats already been said. If serious players of serious quality don't arrive soon were in the mire. MON has never really got the hang of this transfer window lark, he just bellyaches about how bad the system is + i'm getting sick and tired of him telling us how well the opposition played,it's like a stuck record. Teams like Wigan that come to Villa Park and basically give us a thrashing already know how well they have played! If MON and Mr Lerner can't make good on the promises of players of quality then good riddance,the size and quality of this squad is pitiful.Delph would have done better to go to a club who don't offer him up as a sacrificial lamb,starting him was a disgrace,no choice i suppose with a squad this thin Basically players with no competition for a starting place don't perform. On top of all this Carew gets benched,if i were him i'd go. The chance of attracting good players is zilch,were more likely to lose the few good ones we have. **** building pubs and hotels,buy some quality players,you can't compete on the cheap. Oddly enough Everton have spent nowt........... |
Andy Pepper
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... robbo http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8203530.stm MON said it himself |
Andy Pepper
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... vijay anyone who plays like that is in trouble lookslike everton did aswell as us |
MON - 4-5-1
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... bizzare and very strange team tatics and player selection. Only positive i can see from this is we may go and buy some additional quality. 4-5-1 has to be the way forward....drop 4-4-2 Brad senior...shorey...davis....gabby...sidwell....heskey...MR O'neil...for the sake of our club... |
MON - 4-5-1
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... Vijay, were in trouble if we stick to this shite 4-4-2 and constantly choose not to pick the best 11 players availible. I only hope we move to a 4-5-1 when we go to anfield. lets wait and see. |
JackOne
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... Gareth was excellent today by the way! I hope to God Martin restores our faith in him! |
confusedvillafan
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... Vijay, you`ve gone from ...we`re in trouble to... i`ve just had a cuppa tea with mon and your gonna love the players we sign to... we`re in trouble. love your consistency mate  |
Vijay Daryanani
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... The problem is that mon doesnt spend money! Lerner is not paying out, we need an arab owner, for the first time today i was jealous of man city!! |
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... Far too many mistakes by MON - tactically nieve,doesnt know how or what to do to make the correct substitution. Shoots himself in the foot by promising to play kids when they are not ready (that game will/could ruin Delph) Should not play Gabby (still not good enough when he's fit)or Heskey together (or at all saying - cos there both sh**e. Should play 4.5.1. - SYSTEM IS PROVEN TO WORK WITH THE PERSONEL HE HAS, All thise excuses etc. Simple fact MON is only motivation expert not a good buyer or tactician.We may need someone to take us to the next level and is willing to spend the money that RL appears to say is available. We need real quality not 19 years old div 1 players. really angry tonight people, - abysmal show by a poor villa side and a shockingly STUBBORN manager, WHO DOES NOT help himself - listen to reason - the way you play is not working buy buy buy the n go back 12 months to the system we had (obs with differnt players) and the start again |
Le Shava
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... I hate to say 'i told you so', but...i told you so. Villa flattered to decieve last season and it will be back to normal this season, with a mid-table finish most likely. Before you bite my head off just take the time to look at your squad. You cannot deny that it is nothing more than mid-table quality and you will be lucky to get a European spot this year. Especially with City and Spurs really pushing on. Also, i would just like to say that your season ticket holders are disgraceful. Since last season they have been booing your team just because they were 1 down at half time. That is utterly disgraceful. |
Steve Badger
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... Some right rubbish being posted on here tonight, but I guess that's the way it goes. How anyone can complain about starting Delph, when he was possibly our best player today is a joke imo. Vijay, you in particular talk utter shite. "We're going to sign top players" and now moaning like f**k. It's one game, ffs. And yes, Wigan played well. |
Jonathan
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... And wigan Have new manager syndrome! Some one also stated a nice fact ealier, we have lost to wigan at home before! |
ak_27
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... You can play 442 or 451 it won't make any difference if you cannot pass the ball and you cannot defend. La Shava is right. We did flatter to decieve last season and we are miles away from top 4. I honestly believe we went backwards last season and if it wasn't for some very fortunate wins in games that we were well dominated we would have finished in our true position of 8th/9th. And now we seem to gone further backwards again with the loss of Barry and Laursen. Don't expect any big name signings to come in at this stage. MON is outdated. Outdated tactics, outdated transfer policies and outdated philosphy on football. |
MON - 4-5-1
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... Badger, i agree there is some rubbish posted today and would love to see mon succeed. But are you not concerned not so much with the result but the fact we seemed to have again gone for a 4-4-2 system when it pretty obvious we don't have the personel to play this system.. |
ak_27
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... Badger i agree about Delph.He was right to start with him but Wigan under Martinez were always going to come out and pass it like that. NRC had to start in the CM to attack the ball further up the pitch. We must be the most predicable team in the division. |
Steve Badger
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... Vijay, I'm not the bloke who was on holiday saying he'd spoken to players who told him who we were going to sign and every thing is fine. REMEMBER? You are the ultimate when it comes to FICKLE mate. |
Keithc
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... I also love how vdv quotes an anonymous club steward, who's spent about as much time in the Villa transfer office as any of us, and suddenly it's gospel that "only 200,000 quid" kept O'Neill from bringing in Sneijder and Van De Vaart. It's one match. Reo-Coker would have worked better than Delph in this match, for sure, and Carew would have opened things up a lot better for Gabby (he and Heskey stepped right into each other's lines at least twice today), but it's one match. Villa's going to trash Rapid Vienna, then quiet the Kop end. |
Steve Badger
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... MON 4-5-1, Badger, Yes I'm very concerned mate and have posted those concerns on the previous thread. Heskey over Carew (if the rumour about the injection is true). playing 4-4-2 and not putting some more grit in midfield. And other stuff. It's one game though and calling for MON's head is just stupid, imo. |
confusedvillafan
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... mon must be scared of been seen as negative playing 451 at home,but we should be able to make it a good attacking 451 with the players we`ve got. |
Le Shava
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... AK, i am glad you agree and didn't let your blood pressure do the typing. I can't help but feel sorry for you lot, your team clearly needs one last push of transfers if you lot truly want to challenge for fourth spot, but top management seem unwilling to spend...a bit like Everton. Just goes to show, money means everything in the Prem. |
ak_27
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... Badger is it really just one game? Is it not just a continution of the form from the 2nd half of last season? |
ak_27
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... Le Shava i believe there is an underlying problem beyond transfers. Our passing ability has gone so far back since MON took charge. He obviously has no regards for this and i don't see how you can succeed in this league until you can get your team to be comfortable on the ball. That comes from your manager as can be seen in your own team and even in the likes of Fulham and im sure Wigan as they have got one of the brightest up and coming managers in world football in my opinion. |
timw
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... Whats the point of pre-season matches if you don't allow the form players to take that momentum into the first game? Reo-Coker - captained the side to a trophy win. Albrighton - terrorised defenders Lichaj - showed promise and willingness going forward Guzan - didn't put a hand wrong Plus... Delfouneso - golden boot U19 championship Carew - destroyed Scotland in mid-week Hadn't all these players staked a claim to start the new season? - What I'm really saying is; how did non of them get in the side today? |
Steve Badger
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... ak_27, I know what you're saying, don't get me wrong. I have concerns even though I believe you should be positive. We're supporters or fanatics after all, aren't we? I can see the logic that says we were awful for 3 months last season. I can see the logic that MON is outdated too. But at the end of the day, you also have to look at other logic, which says we have finished 6th two seasons running. This proves that MON is not a "shit manager", as was quoted earlier, which is what pisses me off. I'm not basing everything on one crap game, is what I'm saying. |
Steve Badger
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... Vijay, shut up you muppet. Nowhere have I said I'm happy with our form. Why not tell us who you were told we're signing? I thought you were in the know? |
Aaron Wilson
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... Kranjcar, Richards and Distin would plug the holes in the team! This is the team we would be playing by the end of the transfer window if i was in charge from this moment! Starting 11: -------------Guzan------------- Richards Distin Cuellar L.Young ----------Delph Petrov--------- Milner------------------A.Young -----------Kranjcar------------ ------------Carew-------------- Kranjcar would provide goals and creativty while Richards and Distin are two top notch defenders! UTV! |
ak_27
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... Badger to be honest i really hate having MON as our manager. I have for well over 2 years. I hate the way he deals in the transfer market and i especially hate the 'style' of football he has brought. I think he deserves this season but i would be happy to see the back of him at the end of it. He will never get us any higher. Never. Bring in Roberto Martinez next summer and we would end up with a really attractive and effective force that would have a real chance of competing after a year or 2. But we will never be real contenders under MON. |
Steve Badger
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... timw, Whats the point of pre-season matches if you don't allow the form players to take that momentum into the first game? Good point and the only thing I could possibly fault is Lichaj, in that I don't think he's ready yet. |
Macstar
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... As much as it pains me 2 say this but, it has now hit me just how much we are going to miss Gareth Barry. But as for everybody calling for O'Neill's head, you are absoloutley mad. It's the first game of the season, one bad result/performance. If we go to Anfield in just over a week and get a victory, i guarntee the same people calling for O'Neill to go will be calling him a genius. This site is disgusting, its terrible to think you are all Aston Villa fans, including you Damien as you do start it all off. I'd say 85% of the so called villa fans on this pathetic excuse for an Aston Villa website are a disgrace to the club. Yes we all get frustrated at performances time to time, but this day1 and your calling for the managers head that guided us to european football for in the past 2 seasons?!?! Martin O'Neill knows what he's doing, we don't!... PATHETIC IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF YOU ARE, ABSOLOUTLEY PATHETIC! |
Steve Badger
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... Vijay, badger u dont know anything I don't profess to. As opposed to you who sat and spoke to the players and got the inside info. Stop showing yourself up, you fool. |
Le Shava
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... Chelsea won the league under Mourinho without being able to string together 5 or 6 passes. It's about what is effective, not what looks good...Although i take your point that good results USUALLY transcend from pure football. You have one of the biggest threats in the air in Carew, and a tricky (although overrated) winger in Young. Although i hear many complaints about your defence, from what i can see they are not the main problem. Your main problem is similar to that of Newcastle United's, your central midfield. There seems to be constant pressure on your defence because your midfield either doesn't protect them well enough, or they don't have the creative ability to hold on to the ball and dictate the game. Losing Barry was a blessing in disguise. You guys should have stole a march on Liverpool and gone for Aquilani as soon as you lost Barry...Ah well, acquiring the services of Inler or Alex could still fix your problem. |
Steve Badger
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...David Platt as his assitant The bloke who's proved the biggest disaster ever as a manager? God, I'm totally flabberghasted  |
Steve Badger
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... ak_27, We'll see about Martinez. If he proves himself we'll be able to nick him. But I still have faith in MON, even though he seems daft as a brush at times. |
MON - 4-5-1
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... ... mon must be scared of been seen as negative playing 451 at home,but we should be able to make it a good attacking 451 with the players we`ve got I agree we could have started with a 4-5-1 and at least have had control of the game. The last thing we needed today considering last season and how fragile our home form is was to go behind so early in the match. Badger i agree calling for mon to be sacked is plain stupid on that basis should moyes also get the chop...however main my concern is why was Guzan, NRC, Albrighton not picked or started in the first eleven...they had a really good pre season yet obviously did not for much... I don't really care on the fact we lost 2 -0 but look at the stats 42 % possesion at home wigan had 58% i think that more of a concern. Surely wigan are not that good... |
Trezzy
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... Hi lads. I was at the game today aswell. i want to say that i believe we do have the squad to make the 442 formation work. today i saw gabby run his heart out chasing defenders and running the channels for our full backs to lump the ball 60 yards up field in the hope we gain 50 yards. can i just say mon was going on about replacing barry and laursen. well who was wigans laursen and barry????? they dont have the quality of players that we posses even without those two. the players are told to play this way by mon, he tells them to lobb it up to heskey in the hope he flicks it on in gabbys direction. today i saw 1 team who tried to play football and another who goes on the law of averages? im not having a pop at mon here and definatley not blaming any of the players, although shorey did have a dodgy 1st half. beye looked to me no better than lichaj? we won 2 out of the fianl 16 games last year and im just a little worried we have been worked out? for me, we need to play 433, that way there is at least 2 players to get on the end of heskeys flicks? i hope next week we get our season going but liverpool away after a european trip? |
villarobin
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... - Carew injured his foot simple as that. - Anyone who thinks £100,000 stopped Sneider + VDV coming to Villa is an idiot - Some of MON's team line ups / substitutions are verging on the Bizarre !! Im right behind him , but if he continues for the whole season with terrible tactics and worse substitutions, you have to question whether he should stay. - Transfer window has been poor , we have spent nothing yet with the players sold, and this window more than any we needed to strengthen, and strengthen quickly. - Not just because of todays result but overall i think its beginning to become apparent that the club will probably continue to coast around the the top 10 and does'nt really want to kick onwards / take a risk. |
Macstar
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... Treezy on todays showing, Scharner and Gomez are there laursen and barry... Barry is world class and is a massive loss. Still feel we could have got more out of Man City for him!! |
Steve Badger
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... Le Shava, Your main problem is similar to that of Newcastle United's, your central midfield. There seems to be constant pressure on your defence because your midfield either doesn't protect them well enough, or they don't have the creative ability to hold on to the ball and dictate the game. Losing Barry was a blessing in disguise. f**k me it's sad when an arse fan can analyse better than our own, but you're right mate, imo. |
Trezzy
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... i agree barry was far better than any other midfield player we have, but you cant tell me that scharner is much better than what we have? |
Aaron Wilson
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... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/spo...l?ITO=1490 This article made me laugh for a second. It calls L.Young(who starts almost every game) a squad player and says Lerner wants us to sell him and Reo Coker before we bid for Warnock. Are they saying we cant stump up 7 million? Our owner is a billionaire for Gods sake. These lazy writers are starting to piss me off! |
ak_27
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... They don't protect them as they can't keep the ball. And the main culprets for giving it away are the back line. They are equally at blame. I remember during the 2nd half a wigan player just hoofed the ball up the pitch giving the ball to Beye. Martinez went mad on the sideline about this type of ball. I have never seen MON make such a gesture about hoofing it up field. |
Macstar
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... Scharner is better than Curtis Davies. Curtis Davies is a donkey to put it kindly...Still feel Cuellar with a leader next to him (For example Martin Laursen) is a decent centre half. But no way alongside Curtis the donket Davies. I'd gladly have scharner in my back 4, but i heard he didnt want to join villa bcos he didnt want to play centre half?? weird |
taglor
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... Where the hell are rob h and keefvilla, 1874 and villadan? haha they have all been proven wrong just like badger, look how wound up he is getting cos we all know about our footy and this lot of brownnoses dont. Fickle as, how do they defend this shite? |
Macstar
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... Wish we could get a deal done for Distin!!! Tuncay would be another great signing, something different to what we've got |
GOONER
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... bad news for you guys, john carew is signing for arsenal as adebayors replacement,cheap and cheerful stuff |
Trezzy
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... i agree laursen could play alongside any1 and make them look better, but my point is player 4 player we are better i have no doubt |
MON - 4-5-1
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... ... Le Shava, you point is a good point and it pretty obvious that our main problem has been that we have central midfielders that basically don't have the technicle skill,tempremant,creativity,composure to dictate the game . if we really want to be a top side. This obviously excludes Delph...who is a quality signing... if were going to get any players coming in i would like to see quality midfielders who can at least do this....even at the expense of getting in a defender... |
ak_27
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... taglor that is a bit unfair. Badger whilst being more optimistic then some of us is normally very open to discuss our current flaws. He dosen't deny that they exist and i whilst i don't have the same belief in MON he deserves more respect for his beliefs. |
PaulAVFC
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... i can't believe carew did'nt play today i went to the game today and to be honest heskey and agbonlahor never looked like scoring and how hey are chose above carew is a JOKE and if Carew leaves i can't see us moving anywhere.the transfer window has been a complete waste of time aswell |
confusedvillafan
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... MON 451, midfield needs looking at for sure but we NEED defenders. if you were a world class midfielder would you like davies playing behind you |
Steve Badger
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... And "wound up"? "Proven wrong"? I'm not wound up mate, not in the slightest. It's one game. Proven wrong, even though we've qualified for Europe twice in the last two seasons? I've shown you every respect when I answer you, as well you know, but my patience is wearing thin mate. Do you really relish us losing? It seems like it. And you think you're a "supporter"? |
villadownunder
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... MON looked shellshocked yesterday, why was shorey still on the pitch second half, petrov went missing along with delph but that was due to the formation MON wake up and sign a decent centre back every time the ball entered our half we hit the panic button. i thought that milner had a decent game though at least he tried |
Macstar
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... Do whatever it costs to bring in Sylvain Distin!!!...if that fails go for Richard Dunne!! |
Steve Badger
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... GOONER, bad news for you guys, john carew is signing for arsenal as adebayors replacement,cheap and cheerful stuff Cheap and cheerful, yeah right. 15 goals with the best part of 3 months out? Note the above line, you villa fans who say he'll never score 20 in a season. Source Gooner please, even though I know you're talking shit. I'm convinced this site is half full of noses WHO ARE GOING DOWN |
rich2306
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... i think MON is affraid to leave heskey out cuz there old buddys. and cuz of that he wont c past 442 wiv heskey in the team. me personal i think heskey dumbs us down in the last third of the pitch cuz if we play 442 wiv carew and gabby we still look betta that we do wiv heskey |
coxy01
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... you call yourselfs villa fans im 16 and u will think i havent got a clue but have been a season ticket holder 4 12 yeas now and i feel i know what im talking about. i think that u look at the starting 11 2day and that is a team that is better than mid-table 4 sure i thought beye was solid and looked poor on occasions because of the woeful postioning on davies and i can c 3 playes signing before the window closes with a midfielder and 2 cb and those who say sack mon u really are armchair fans and dont have a clue about avfc because the football mon has brought is quite stunning and ifit wasnt 4 kirkland making 2 world class saves in the first half from young and milner it would have been a different story |
VillaDude
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... Friedel kept it at 2-0 - got beaten at his near post tho Beye - looked very slow and unfit Davies - is just his standard panic self Shorey - should stick to 1st division football Delph - poor lad - game was too quick and strong for him - needs help (5 man midfield) Petrov - looked very unfit - missed barry as an outlet Gabby - he has NO goal threat - FACT Heskey - worked hard but again - he is NO goal threat |
TrueVillan
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... latest links warnock and taylor, great, more english second rate shit! for christs sake, cant we find a couple of scandanavians who would cost a lot less and be twice as good! hangeland cost fulham 2.5 mil, now quoted at 10mil i wonder if the reluctance to spend money by lerner is to do with the vast amounts wasted! curtis davies 9mil, cueller 7.5mil, for that kind of money we should have quality, instead we have shit, who panic and kick the ball anywhere, even when no one is on them! we would not get 2mil for davies right now, cahill rated at 15mil, MON knows f**k all about defenders, he inherited quality in melberg, laursen, bouma and as they disappeared replaced them with crap! any successful team is built from the back, and MON has proven he knows nothing about defenders! ours set the scene for every match, cause panic throughout and give away easy goals, especially in the last 10 mins of games! i just dont see MON fixing this, i really dont! |
VillaDude
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... MON cannot attract sneijder/VDV - people are living a dream world! Name the biggest player MON has signed? in his career? Carew! He has no international appeal - he will always sign top 4 rejects and relegated players. |
kohoutek, home now and name still not working properly
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...taglor said: Nah, not faint of heart, Taglor. As I've always said, it's not that I think MON is god or infallible. I just think you give things a run. One game does not a season make. What I often see in Villa is an impatience...it's not that they couldn't work on a one- or two-touch passing game in practice. But I do think Villa are always trying to break, always trying to counter-punch. And if you get 1 or 2 up, it's game over. When it works, it's simple and almost easy. When it doesn't work...It can look like today. So...if we go 0-10, and look an utter shambles, I'll be willing to re-evaluate. But what I think MON and RL are trying to do...It's not easy. There may be setbacks. It may not work. But I don't think that's where we'll end up, obviously. We were never going to go 38-0. We'll see how we look in a few weeks, see how the team and MON, maybe even RL, respond. |
lionheart
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... the mail reports aa follows believe it if u want Aston Villa are weighing up a £7million move for Blackburn Rovers defender Stephen Warnock. Villa boss Martin O'Neill has already splashed out on Stewart Downing and Habib Beye and wants owner Randy Lerner to finance a move for a centre-half and left-back. But the American may want squad players like Nicky Shorey, Nigel Reo-Coker and Luke Young sold before any moves are made. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/spo...z0OIWcIMOl if there is any truth to this then i would say lerner is not the guy we think he is how can he not fund we just lost barry and laursen and this report suggests we might need to of load reo coker luke young and shorey first shorey i agree with but the other 2 surely not, wot would that do too our squad numbers i think its about time we villa fans were put in the picture as to wot funds are available. maybe then we could understand the lack of activity in transfer market |
Steve Badger
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... Coxy01, y ou call yourselfs villa fans im 16 and u will think i havent got a clue but have been a season ticket holder 4 12 yeas now and i feel i know what im talking about. i think that u look at the starting 11 2day and that is a team that is better than mid-table 4 sure i thought beye was solid and looked poor on occasions because of the woeful postioning on davies and i can c 3 playes signing before the window closes with a midfielder and 2 cb and those who say sack mon u really are armchair fans and dont have a clue about avfc because the football mon has brought is quite stunning and ifit wasnt 4 kirkland making 2 world class saves in the first half from young and milner it would have been a different story Well said nip, it's nice to know we have proper fans coming through  |
coxy01
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... thank you badger and warnock will not sign as he will not improve our team as we have shorey and bouma and carew leaving is a joke it shows what u lot think a joke and i think that damien talks some sense but his theory on lerner having no money is a joke |
simondgm
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... apart from the individual poor performances there were also no leaders on the pitch today - no one to drag the others into the game. in not playing carew, losing barry and losing laursen we are three natural leaders down. petrov seemed overrun also. |
confusedvillafan
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... coxy01, wouldnt warnock be an improvement on shorey ? is bouma going to return ? |
Halfwit
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... Simple Fact is we need to buy and when i say buy i mean buy ready made quality players not ones that might be ready or ones that wont be ready for a year or two Get some real top quality players and we might just survive a good distance in europe and might finnish in the top 6 if not we have no chance |
coxy01
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... petrov as much as i thnk his quality he is no captain is he ?? we need a leader from the back and i think dunne is the perfect player 4 that as he is captain of ireland and was captain of citeh so thats my shout |
Steve Badger
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... Lionheart, that article is bollox mate. Luke is a squad player? Yeah right And why is it highlighted in yellow? Utter rubbish. |
Steve
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... Finally got back to London after deciding to go watch inglorious bastards to cheer myself up after that pathetic display. Initial thoughts: Continued the dreadful form we should post February, this is v worrying. I came on here and said all summer we will miss Barry and last season whenever he played poorly so did Villa. he was our heart beat and the only player with intelligence in keeping possession - he needs replacing. Carew is the only player that looks like scoring for us and Ashley the only likely person to create something. That in itself is worrying. Defending: Dont think anyone has picked up on this but i genuinely think we struggle because we play petrov as a holding midfielder (before you start saying he was our best player last season, well we still conceded too many goals). The guy never has or will be a tackling midfielder which is what you need in his role. Too many times we get cut apart through midfield leaving our defence exposed.NRC cant pass but with his pace, drive and tackling ability he would improve us. Any coincidence in preseason we looked better when Petrov was injured and NRC took over? Secondly I thought Delph did all you could expect a 19yr making his debut in the premiership in centre mid. Not only that but he seemed to be expected to dictate the game and was soo important he even took corners. Frankly with the team playing so badly, i say well done fabian for a decent shift and you will be top class in the future. Shorey cannot defend and is limited going forward and needs to be replaced, as does Davis who just looks out of his depth. Cuellar for 80 mins was our best player and won most his headers and with a decent partner will be a class act. Midfield. Delph and Petrov as above. Milner just isnt good enough, he runs all day but offers no creativity and lacks the pace required. Young - our only threat but is consistently double/treble marked. I also sense that AY knows it is down to him to create and hence tries too much. He also needs to stop moaning/diving anf get on with it. However he is our key player and without him we really are screwed. Strikers Heskey - doesnt cut it. Gabby - other than pace has nothing to his game Carew - should start every game, we also should have bought Darren Bent. The problem villa has, is that unless we are away from home counter attacking, we cant cause teams problems as they sit deep and long balls dont work. The fact MoN reckons that despite looking toothless for 90 mins, we are an attacking threat and despite only winning about 8 home games last yr, he doesnt think we need improving going forward. I am BLOODY worried. We need to buy: centre half to play with cuellar, a left back to replace shorey. A right winger with technique and ability to keep the ball (for me take Bentley for 8mill, yes he is p***k, but he would be good for us) A centre mid who can be our playmaker (we dont have one since barry left and one needs to be brought in, this is the key signing and MoN should break the bank and bring in a foreign name, not some average English player he thinks he can improve) Striker to play with Carew. I was genuinely optimistic before todays game, however since January 2009, Aston Villa FC has been worked out by opponents as to how to stop us scoring. We are also very easy to cut right through the middle of (looking at centre mid and defence here). I doubt Wigan will have an easier away game all season, I also worry that Villa Park is becoming the least intimidating ground to come to. There is no fear factor at all, all clubs need to do is double mark AY, sit deep against us and hit us on the break. That is f##king easy to do. Alot of work needs to be done or we are staring at mid table. F##k im depressed, oh and one last thing Guzan needs to start |
coxy01
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... yes warnock is better than shorey im not thick but y would u spend 7m+ on a lb when u have 2 proven players there anyway |
taglor
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... badger fair play at least you come on and try to be positive when the others are nowhere to be seen after being shown up at how shortsighted they are. Yes i wanted mon to be shown up for the greater good so that we can get jol, martinez or even scolari to take us forward, i love villa and just want us to do well and cant see that happening under mon so until he goes i cant be psoitive. as for europe well what happened there mate? awful tactics from mon again so it just shows he doesnt even know what to do when he gets there. |
SlimJimVilla
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... I agree, a lack of leadership all round. Sidwell brought a bit of structure to the middle but there was very little communication all round. No tracking back, no stepping in, no responsibility on the whole. Would like to see Young working a bit harder and releasing the f**king ball. I only counted about half a dozen passes even though he was often dealing with two if not three well organised Wigan players. Fair enough, he didn't often have many clear options, but if you are going to play Heskey and Gabby, at least make use of their strengths...i.e. release Gabby`s pace or whip it in early for Bruno. Delph showed some of his potential, and the power and @ace of the prem has probably taught him a lot today. All in all, not good enough, defensively poor and and a real lack of committment all opver the pitch. We do need more at the back, you were right on that front...other than that I think we just need players to play to their best ablity, today it was well below par. Blame the Transfer market, blame MON, blame the fans that didn`t fill the remaining seats (seemed a lot today)...but don`t f**king boo. Thats what Spurs and Arsenal do, its shit, and it won`t endear the club to any players thnking abouit joining the mighty (albeit not today) Aston Villa Football Club! |
James
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... Oh joy the football season is back. There is no substitute for the pleasure extracted from spouting shite and being right. Twist. MON is cock. Stick. Heskey's a twat. Bust. Villa 5th. Play the long(ball)game. |
confusedvillafan
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... coxy01 if your not thick you`d realise that shorey is shit and bouma has been out for over a year and may not come back so you not been thick would realise with 99% of us that we need another leftback |
TheColonel
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... coxy01, shorey is absolutely appaling. Warnock is pretty good but even if he wasent he would still be an imporvement on shorey. |
taglor
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... ps why the f**k isnt motd on bbciplayer we pay enough f**king money to the robbing bastards |
confusedvillafan
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... talking of sheep TAGLOR martinez has 1 game at prem level beats a shit team ( us )and you want him as our manager |
lionheart
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... badger m8t only reason i copy n pasted it was to show the $hite newspapers print,like i said belive it or not, my point is that press report this n that and then fans start to belive it. rumour goes around people had there bit to it then before you know it everyone as a angle on a transfer just like VDV and is so called steward m8t as for why it was in yellow i have know idea i just posted after pasting we aston villa were linked with over 100 players last season who did we sign ? so there goes ya newspaper stories, |
coxy01
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... shorey is not thst bad as u make out he had no support from young and no support from the midfield as there 5 man midfield over ran us 2day and isnt cb our main concern atm not lb |
SlimJimVilla
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... I wouldn't say shorey is apawling, but I would like to see another player in the mould of Bouma. A left sided player who can play CB or LB. We are light although the youngsters are coming. Players like Shorey need to be playing at their best to be of a high standard, and doing that week in week out has been shorey`s problem. We've a few like that unfortunately. But we`ll pick up form, and hopefully sign a bit of class soon. When they are on it, we are a top side, when they play average, we are bottom half standard at the moment. So we need to get behind them and build that confidence. We all play a part and well done for singing today holt end, wasn`t much to sing about but in good voice as always. No Excuses, but the ref was a c**t |
jerry
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... Taglor, What you did today on this blog was a disgrace. What was clearly obvious is that you were overjoyed by the defeat. It vindicated all your bile and hatred, didn’t it? No sense of proportion; no dismay that our team had just turned in a fairly abysmal performance, just a platform for you to tell the world how clever you are, how much better at football management you are than O’Neill. Taglor, I award you the highest distinction for treacherous behaviour. You, sir, are not only not worthy to be a Villa fan, you are not worthy to be a nose. I’ve watched noses sing for their team through relegation, through humiliation and through shameful management. And they sang and sang. And never booed and never complained. You are a c**t. Go away. Badger, Kohoutek, do not dignify his perfidy with a response. Ignore him. My plea to everyone is to ignore him. He is a c**t. |
Stuart Kinane
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... Only back from the game now. Gutted, it was a really disappointing day. Was expecting 3-0/4-0. I'm only hearing about the Carew thing now from reading the net. At the ground, nobody around could understand why he wasn't playing. He was on fire for Norway during the week. I really hope there hasn't been a fall out or anything like that because if we are relying on Heskey & Gabby up front, we're done. The reason I say this is after the match I went over to have a look at the players signing autographs and driving off. Most were decent - Guzan, Gardner, Shorey, Albrighton etc. but Carew came out and decided to speed off through the other gate and avoid all the fans. I thought it was poor form with loads of kids waiting for him (what is he on, around £50k a week?) But maybe it was because of something that went on? Maybe im reading a bit too much into it. As I said, id hate to lose Carew, hes a top striker. Damian by the way, I completely agree with you on 4-5-1. I also think we need to replace Shorey, get another centre back and maybe most importantly buy a creative midfielder/striker like Tuncay beacuse we looked very flat today. Also, I felt Delph did okay for his first premier league game. He will turn out to be brillinat once he gets used to things in the premier league. |
coxy01
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... yes shorey had a bad game so did gabby and petrov and davies and young but we will not replace them after 1 game will we and i think people need 2 look at the bigger picture mon has his own squad now and he knows what he needs 2improve it futhermore and look at our signings before mon the expectation is far 2 high atm and we need 2 realise that mon is a legend and we need 2 c how he has brought stability 2 the club |
SlimJimVilla
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... Delph will be good, just needs to adjust like you say. And we do need a cutting edge in midfield. Young spent too much time trying to cut in...no options inside. Just tweaking and a couple of top players would be nice. Sidwell brought a bit of cohesion which showed that they are still learning. Delph had a bit of a babtism of fire and Petrov didn't do him any favours in the first half. Alot of miscommunication was the main problem, two players going for the same header, passing to where someone thought man was running...all will soon shape up. Wigan played well, we didn`t show up...that just about sums it up. |
ak_27
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... coxy01 this is not about one game. This is about 15/16 games. And i would say that Gabby and Davies also need to replaced. They are not good enough. Ashley could also do with a kick up the arse by taking him off. Thats if you have options on the bench which we don't. Young needs to be moved away from the wing as he has been so ineffective there for a nearly 6 months now. Has Marin Petrov joined Spurs yet? He would do a very good job out on the left for us. |
coxy01
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... its not 15/16 games its a whole season but shorey looked one of the better players at the backend of last season and we have albrigton 2 come on 4 young and delph can play on the left and no his still at citeh and gabbyscored us many good goals last season just needs te service tbh and davies was a great defender with laursen next 2 him thats y i think we should be in 4 dunne |
lionheart
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... you will find we signed downing for LEFT WING so why would we buy another winger we got enough in that dept we need cm a defenders NOT MARTIN PETROV mind ya the name says it all we probaley will end up with him  |
SlimJimVilla
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... Coxy's right...early days and I can`t think of anyone who played anywhere near their best. I also can`t single out anyone for responsibility, a collective underperformance. Shorey wasn`t that bad, he would have been better had the midfield been willing to track back. Young, particulalry in the second half, looked f**ked. Maybe a few knocks in the game took their toll, but to single shorey out is unfair. |
coxy01
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... lionheart ur taking the piss now lol and yes jim your right about the team perforance |
MON - 4-5-1
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... coxy01, so if we buy dunne are you saying davies would work better with dunne ? Where does that leave cueller...he's one of our better defenders... Though i do agree money would be better spent on another attacking midfielder (Tuncay) and creative defensive midfielder than buying a LB... |
coxy01
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... yes davies ill become a much better player with dunne there and that deal will happen when citeh sign a new cb and i think carlos will play with dunne aswell and its all about having a squad and rotating well |
lionheart
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... dunne was woeful last season at man-c he looked like davis did today for us. the season before that he was decent looked good.but i dont think he is the answer to our problems and who will step into laursens boots we lost melberg and laursen in space of 12months now them 2 was quality defenders who did we buy zat knight carlos cueller curtis davis aint rocket science we just never replaced mellberg with quality now were in same situation wiv laursen. |
lionheart
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... i think i actually agree wiv ya on that one HANGELAND i wanted carvalho but just wishful thinkingn my part |
coxy01
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... dunne was good at home and shit away like all of citeh last season his a solid player |
skeester73
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... Lets be honest, before the game the odds on us going down would have been long......now i'm not so sure. for all of those that want to have a go at me being so negative crack on but lets be honest we are a bag of shite. We claim to be a big club but i rememeber a number of players that jumped ship to the boro saying 'we had no ambition'......has that changed? Are we a club that can attract? Are we now so far down the pecking order that Fulham is a better prospect? Next is Rapid - Liverpool - Rapid - Fulham - Shite......Don't see us winning any of them. football maybe back but so is an unhappy Villa fan and i know i'm not the only one. |
coxy01
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... have you been drinking tonight its 1 game that we usually lose anyway and please just go 2 sleep and do not write shit on here we are no were near a relgation bound team i ask have u been 2 the game 2day |
lionheart
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... well on todays performance we were $hite but we neva won peace cup playing like that or are u trying to say porto and juventus are not as good as wigan. its simple we perform better and play a formation that allows us to play to our players strengths we will be fine if we continue like today we all know what that will lead too. |
coxy01
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... lionheart people like that am just bluenoses who come on here 2 piss us villa fans off tbh what a w****r |
lionheart
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... m8t you it the nail on the head i thought bluenose soon as i read post they only come out the woodwork when we have bad day at the office |
coxy01
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... i know mate but dont worry we will fukin beat the shit out of them and is funny because i can see them winning at old trafford because man utd start shit always and then blues will be like we are ready for the villa pmsl |
lionheart
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... oh guaranteed 6 pointer for us m8t even if we play like today its still a 5-1 demolition job and relegation for the yoyo coka cola championship smellyheath fraudsters who play at the pigsty anyway united will shut them up, even there pre season was dire but bluenoses are used to disapointment so it means nothing to them losing nowdays,a win is like christmas n easter rolled into 1 |
coxy01
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... yh i know we will always stuff the shit of the city and i dunno i think man utd will not beat them 4 swum reason i hope im wrong but u know what theyem like |
never wright
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... Please can someone tell me that if all this is true that CAREW is not as good as heskey, that i have been watching football in the wrong light all my life. MON wake up didnt you watch the games in mid week? Any way we must stick together and get behind the Carew debate, as old spud face will be pissing himself if we have to exchange 4 Bentley or any w**kness he fells will improve us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
habib
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... oh they arsenal fans come out of the wilderness now...where were you last season? didn't see you lot posting on this blog when we were battering you at the emirates...i would love it if we beat you, cockney muppets. |
Andy
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... Please MON look at your tactics again,we want you to succeed as our manager but please see the writing on the wall. |
oldfart
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... Notice the time gentlemen I have slept and am sober. Mon has spent £29 million on Sidwell,Shorey,Harewood,Knight,Routledge and Davies. Reo in my opinion was worth the £8million,although he is not getting much chance at present, and I feel the jury is still out on Cuellar, although the signs are not looking good. His transfer record has been at best mediocre.This is an aspect of management he must improve.The money has come from Lerner.I wonder how he feels about it. P.S I dare not mention Cahill[sob! sob!] |
bobvillian
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... what did our boss say before game;theres goals in our strikeforce what total bollocks.only 1 good striker in big john.rest get rid?along with boss who has not got a clue with tactics why cant he see we were overrun in midfield while 35thou can see it |
Daniel Wilson
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... God, only bothered reading the first 30 odd comments, It was one game, we looked poor but did it deserve boos at the end and uproar? I feel a bit ashamed as a Villa fan today. This is the same team that won the peace cup and beat the likes of Juve & Porto a few weeks back. I have no doubt the lads will come out and do a job against Vienna and then we'll be well up for the pool. Come on get real guys!! |
vogra
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... Another thing Habe Baye, when this guy signed i said he was a desperate garbage signing, Why wasn't then this guy brought in months ago to gell into the side, why did we wait until Hull wanted to buy him for us to make the move. And if we don't sign another striker we will be royally fcuked, Gabby and Heskey just don't score the goals, Gabby would'nt be anywhere close to the side if it was upto me, Maybe making the bench which i think coming on for the last 10-15mins to run at the defense he would be more suited to. 5 players need to be brought by the end of the transfer window, we all know this isn't going to happen as MON's to arrogant to listen to the fans,he's clueless, utterly clueless |
faangler
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...Next is Rapid - Liverpool - Rapid - Fulham - Shite......Don't see us winning any of them. Fulham at home is a must win game. But then so was wigan at home. The thing that bugs me is Reo & Sidwell looked realy good in the Peace Cup. Surely they should have started with Petrov as a sub. To play Delph was just stupid. No good for Delph, and a kick in the teeth for Reo & Sidders. Same with starting with Heskey & Gabby ? Why ? Where was the form ? If we get knocked out the cup, a fair possibility, and get soundly beat by Liverpool, a probability, MON's regime would be on the brink. |
faangler
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...This is the same team that won the peace cup and beat the likes of Juve & Porto a few weeks back. No it wasn't. It was a completely different team. Why ? |
faangler
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... "You can analyse everything but at the end of it all I thought we looked tired, which was a wee bit of a surprise considering we've had a pretty decent pre-season." When was this team played in pre season ? |
Mostyn
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... Dan - I couldn't agree more. Hearing boos at the end of the game is just pathetic. MON got it horribly wrong yesterday, but I feel some of the players need to take responsibility for their poor performances too. We know players like Ash and Milner are quality but they were well below par yesterday. Maybe they should have had a rest like Gerrard mid-week. Gabby has added nothing to his game. Bent was a missed opportunity. A proven goal scorer. If we get a couple of quality CB's and striker we might get back on track otherwise we're going to struggle to stay in the top 10. Do not forget though that it is MON that has progressed the club since his inception. As good as some foreign imports are, I would still prefer to invest in British talent first. Go back to 3 foreigner rule only IMO. |
Daniel Wilson
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...but I feel some of the players need to take responsibility for their poor performances too. Spot on. Personally If I compared our players to those in the 'big 4' I'd say we could compete every day. The likes of Young, Petrov, Milner are class but yesterday we just didn't seem to have much passion. Watching MOTD last night I saw someone play a ball to Ash that he didn't know about, but instead of tracking back he just jogged behind him. Like I said before though, I'm sure they will come good. Off subject - watching Barry last night, after the Man City game where they showed his personal highlights, he looked like a completely different player, tracking back, grafting, getting good tackles in. Sorry but all he ever did for us was hold the ball up well. I hate that Judas for all his crap but he looks a much better player now, maybe he really did go stale for us and the player we lost really wasn't a big loss. |
r0bb0
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... I think it was ak27 who last season was calling for us to take on Martinez as our manager and at the time (as a strong MON supporter)I conceded that he was the one other realistic target that I would like to see at Villa park. Having followed Swansea for a few years you couldn't help but be impressed by the man's vision and application. Yesterday at half time I thought it was instructive to contrast our subs knocking the ball between themselves and having a but of fun with the structured approach of Wigan. They had laid out cones in a 10m square and had 5 subs quick passing and keeping the ball from one other sub in the middle, with a coach standing by making comments. I know it's standard training stuff but it was an indication that this was the way that players in a Martinez team will play and every opportunity will be taken to drum it into them. Time will tell whether Wigan will be able to compete with that squad for a whole season, but you can be sure that we won't be the only team that will be caught out by them, so let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater after one poor game. We were very poor yesterday..... Wigan are already a better side than people are giving them credit for..... Wouldn't it be even worse to be an Everton fan today? |
Ferdinand the imposter
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... As with you I was disappointed with the result, but I don’t think even with Gareth Barry our midfield would have been better, but with Laursen our defensive line would have had more stability. A few days ago everyone was calling for Delph to play - he did and now you are mostly saying this was a mistake. We need a commanding CB and someone in midfield who can dictate the play maybe that’s VDV or Sneijder who knows. Yes its disappointing to lose but we still have a long way to go as do Man City. Lets see how the next 2 weeks pan out before we all start calling for everyone to be sacked from the chairman down to the teams pet cat. |
Si
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... Total joke. He buys a right back that's so crap he has to take him off and puts an England international winger at right back (why not bring on NRC)! And quite how that old dog Heskey gets in above Carew is beyond me. We can all see that we need to go back to 4-5-1, why can't he see it?? What scares me now is that yesterday demonstrated we need another right back, centre back, midfielder, striker and (unless he starts plaing Guzan) another goal keeper, and can you see MON buying 5 players in one window - I don't. Even if he does, for every good player he gets in he buys 3 crap ones (Knight, Beye, Salifou, Routledge, Heskey, Harewood). This team's in big trouble and MON needs the pressure put on him from Board level. |
waynevilla
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... just gutted, after their opener we were shell shocked, shorey makes too many errors and delph was not ready for the speed of the prem, should of come on sub. if carew was injured we should not get on mons back for that. if heskey was injured and was forced to play with injection that was stupid, should of given young nathan a full game upfront. mon does seem to play his favourites (petrov)rather than picking who deserves to be in the team on form (nrc). I dont really think we have come on too far since o'leary he was 6th 10th and 16th with no money to play with and mon has been 11th and 6th twice will lots of money so has not proven to be any better. he needs to stop treating the money as if it was his and worrying about his rep. just spend spend spend and get good quality expensive replacements for the week players in the squad and sell the players you have bought in error, squad numbers 4,9,21 spring to mind. still two weeks of the window i have not given up hope of signing quality but on past windows should have no hope left. we will see what happens, after all it is one game wigan are a bogey team at villa park and we have a difficult couple of games to come, hardly seems surprising that we were favourites to be "crisis club" on paddy power. its my first post hope you liked it, im not a moaner im a believer and have a right as a paying supported to critisise and praise when necessary. we are part of the elite 7 that have been in the prem since it began so i am proud however anything less than 7th in any season and i think we have failed. |
Rich
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... This is not hindsight. I agree totrally 4,5 1 with Reo Coker and Petrov protecting our extremely fragile defence. Unfortunately although I prefer Carew to both Heskey and Gabby, I don't think 4,5,1 suits the big man. He is not mobile enough. Gabby isn't clinical enough so at present that leaves Heskey. We have a choice. With our present personnel we play either our more productive system (which is the way I would go) or we play our talisman. This wasn't the issue. As MON decided to play 4,4,2 Carew should have played if fit. |
Notts Villan
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... The reality is that the manager hasn't addressed any of the issues that came about from the 2nd half of last season. We lost 2 influential players and were told that we needed at least 5 players really. We have sold 3 players in the close season and brought in 4 players (one who is injured for half a season and a 3rd choice keeper) so we are still short on numbers and nothing has changed since last year. Our form was nothing short of awful in 2nd half of the season and if we continue like that then we are in trouble. I know its only first game of the season but nothing has really changed since last season. This needs to be turned around and addressed very quickly otherwise the fans at home will soon quickly start turning on either the manager or the chairman, and the crowds will dwindle again and we don't really want that because it serves no good. The boo boys were already out yesterday. |
sazavfc
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... I met Carew next to the players car park after the game and he said he injured in the warm up. |
Brian Kavanagh
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... imagine how healthier our bench would look if we played 5 in the middle friedel beye, cuellar, davies, shorey milner, petrov, sidwell, delph, young carew then our bench would be Guzan, bouma (soon??), reo coker, gardner, heskey, albrighton, gabby. that for me would be a very nice bench, maybe with a new centre half in there somewhere too? |
McParland
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... To say i am depressed after yesterdays loss to wigan is an understatement but in truth we were second best on the day, and i honestly believe we require more solid defenders and a good thinking striker befor the window closesto give us anychance of top 6this season.However i do recall a few seasons back not sure when exactly when we lost the first 9 games and still finished well up the leauge.Do forgive me if my statistics are wrong but i am a very senior citizen and my memory is not what it once was. |
Ted
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... Firstly I don't think everyone should panic based on one game, as that would be daft. However it isn't just one game. From being in the top 3 in January and winning most games, we stupidly changed our system and have struggled in virtually every game since. I am amazed that O'Neill can't see this. If I could be bothered I'd get the stats of last season and see how many points we got with Heskey in the team and how many points we got with him out of the team. We all know the answer without even studying the stats - 2 wins in 13 games tells us that. It's not necessarily Heskey's fault and he's not a bad player - numerous England managers can't all be wrong - but it's the style of play we have to adhere to with him in the team. With our weak defence we have no choice but to play 4-5-1. That suits us with our pace, as teams can't cope with our counter-attacking and it gives the defence some protection. I'm just baffled as to why O'Neill can't see this when pretty much every fan knows it and the stats back it up. Everything points to dropping Heskey, everything points to playing 4-5-1. We can change it at times to 4-4-2 and play Carew and Gabby up front and we can play Gabby as one of the 5 midfielders with Carew on his own up front, depending on who we are playing. However it is cannot be disputed that our strongest team and formation is with Gabby on his own up front and Young/Milner supporting him from the wings - 8 wins in 11 (or whatever it was) before January tells us that. I think Carew is fantastic, but our form is better without him too. If we sign some players then this may change, but with our current squad we need to get back to the team and formation that had us as Champions League certainties until January instead of the relegation form that we've showed since then. If it aint broke don't fix it. Likewise, if it is broke do fix it and stop persevering with a formation and striker that clearly isn't working. |
PaulMcGrathsGoneAWOL
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... By the Way playing Milner as a right back is the most pointless exercise in the world. |
antvillan
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... I'm not panicking based just on the first game, the problems from last season have continued and look no-where near being solved, MON just doesn't seem to learn his lessons. We desperately need a new left back and 2 central defenders! It's got desperate now, so just pay over the odds for Warnock, Distin and Upson. Exploiting Pompey & West Hams poor finances and need to sell. For a bit of midfield creativity why not go for Niko Kranjar? Again Pompey need the cash. We should have got Darren Bent, after watching how ineffective Heskey and Gabby were yesterday (and 2nd half of last season) we still desperatley need a proven scorer. At 2-0 down I had no confidence that either of them could do the business up front and really cause problems. Of course we'll no doubt end up with Richard Dunne and that's it, keep playing Heskey over Carew, stubbornley stick to 4-4-2 and when we need to chase a game move our most effective winger to fullback!! Unless do some serious business in the next few weeks (as always too late in the window) I'll lose all confidence. |
boumavilla
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... delph did well gabby did crap beye was inexistent line-up 4 the liverpool match guzan shorey davies cuellar/new player l.young (hopefully ) a.young delphie sidweel stan petrov albrighton carew line-up for vienna game guzan lowry davies cuellar lichaj milner reo-coker herd gardner albrighton carew maybe that wud work! |
terragon
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... I SPOKE TO BIG JOHN AFTER THE GAME AND HE SAID HE HAD A TOE INJURY HE ALSO GAVE ME HIS AUTOGRAPH ASH&GABBY COULDNT SPARE 30SEC TO SIGHN A FEW SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
gregdavillain
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... im sorry im f**ked pissed rite now but mon whom i had down as a god is a shite manager when it comes to bringing in players and changing a system when losing, he is actually shit, he has done a good job up to now, the clubis ok, but he doesnt know how to push us on from here |
Ryan Shemmans
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... Aston Villa should get rid of Ashley young,James Milner, and Heskey this are terrible players we need to get theses players who we are intrested in tuncay sunali striker wesley sneijder syvlian distin jermaine jenas and david bentley |
Frank
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... It’s certainly is time to panic. WTF is MON at? Habib Beye!!  Its f**kin ridiculous. How can we start a new season in such a mess? He new we had to replace Barry and Laursen and wtf does he do? Signs an inured winger, a 19 year old midfielder and f**kin Habib Beye….this is nothing short of a disaster. And after a summer of dithering can we really be expected to believe he can sort this out now?!! He should be made explain why the f**k we started the season in this mess. This cannot go by unchecked. This could well be the start of the end for MON. |
summer of george
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... Now is the time brothers, I spoke of these ill omens when the seasons turned and the equinox was darker, some called me mad, others insisted I was a delusional waffling gobshite, perhaps they were well advised, but today, as dough faced Mr Lerner turned askance from the fare laid before him and expressed his displeasure....deep in the bowels of his decrepit mansion, in the bowels of the Castle that, package deals on the cheap to bits of Portugal full of Pubs called "The Red lion" that offer a full english breakfast up until 2 in the afternoon, built....he stirred, just a flicker of the rheumy cataract bedevilled eyes, a mere twitch of the cadaverous clawed hand, a slow roll of spittle on the snow white be-whiskered jowly chin....he stirred, he senses his time is returning, his acolytes are mashing his repast into a fine paste in anticipation..... The wise ones know of whom I speak, though we dare not speak his name. Somewhere Benito Carbone was jolted from his sleep by a vivid troubling voice in his dreams. Mark my words, place salt upon your window ledges and watch the skies in coming days for gloomy portents. |
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